Nintendo 'rejected' rivals' choice of technology

Nintendo's president Satoru Iwata stated in a recent interview with the Financial Times that his company tried the motion-sensing technology Sony and Microsoft are counting on, but rejected them due to better result with the accelerometers that are currently implemented in Wii controllers.

[Smacktard]

I dunno, from what I've seen Sony's purple dildo looked more accurate than Motion+.

[qface64]

they were pretty much the same if you ask me
nothing worse nothing better

[WildArmed]

i duno.
I thought ps3 ones are alot more precise.
But i guess the wii option was probably cheaper which obviously influenced em.. low price = high sales (for the most part)

[JaggedSac]

In other news, one company says their competing company's stuff is not as good and people should stick with them.

[menoyou]

Yea, this is marketing BS. Sony's controller registers motion at the sub-milimeter level. You could even see the guys hand shake subtly. And they have live demonstrations of 1 to 1 sword and shield, something Nintendo has yet to accomplish, not even with Red Steel 2 which has pre-scripted sword attacks. To be honest, Sony's controller is on a whole other level.

[qface64]

same thing happened when regie demonstrated wii sports resort
there wasn't much of a difference

[Qui-Gon Jim]

Yeah. I will believe that motion+ is an improvement over the regular Wiimote, but they didn't show it very well (didn't Twilight Princess have Wiimote archery?). I was very impressed by the precision of Sony's demo, as well as the concept of Natal.

[n4f]

ok you can tell me that you have been impress by the ps3 sensor mote. yeah that fine i will respect that.but saying that nintendo cannot accomplish a swordfight than that is bull$hit. bot of them are doing 1:1 all the 3 can do the f*cking sword and shield fight or trow shuriken and the bow.
no tell me why do sony has a better advantage i wont proof that will make me change idea

[Smacktard]

@menoyou: Don't use Red Steel 2 as an example. The guys at IGN have said that the tech is there to do it basically 1:1, just that they aren't taking advantage of it. Just another example of Ubicrap being Ubicrap.

Perhaps Motion+ is just as or more accurate than the Sony dildo, but Nintendo just hasn't really been showing what it can do. And THAT'S the biggest trouble with it. Sony demoed LIVE exactly what it could do, and it looked impressive. Both it and Microsoft's motion are doomed to failure, however, being released so late in the consoles' lifetimes. They really should've saved them for next gen.

[DarkArcani]

I love how everyone is calling it the Sony dildo.

Cracks me up.

[cyberwaffles]

sony and natal's motion sensing works differently than the wii's. the wii uses the wii-mote's built in motion device as a tracer for movement that is calibrated to a screen (it's almost never perfectly lined up to where you're actually pointing, it's off by mm to sometimes inches). natal/sony uses a technology that not only has a controller to track movement (in this case, sony) but also the light surrounding people is also calculated for true 1:1 movement. light encompasses and forms to any shape that exists within it(like water) so the camera gets a more accurate reading where a person is moving since the light is repelling around the silhouette of that very person, while the wiimote just use an old school arcade method of a pointer.

i'm glad sony and microsoft released their motion systems; it felt a little over deserving to see nintendo make millions off of shovelware and last gen quality games just because it uses motion controls which have been around in arcades for decades. this will hopefully force nintendo to actually make better games instead of relying on their novelty item to get sales because it seems like those days are over. would you prefer an inferior console that does motion controls or a superior console that does motion controls and then some?

case in point; nintendo can't get away for being different and unique when everyone else is now doing the same thing they're doing. i think i remember a long time ago a nintendo spokesperson said they didn't want the wii to have high hardware specs like the ps3 and the 360 because it would be like "fighting fire with fire" and preferred to go in a new direction. things change nintendo.

[SuperM]

Yep, Sonys controller Will always be accurate according to the screen because you have the PS eye recording movement. Also the PS eye can do headtracking aswell, so you can move your head around to look the enviroments from different angles.

I see how people can say that it looks like the Wii-mote, but it is infact far superior.

[cjflora]

I want proof that you can write a sentence that people can read once and comprehend(understand, if that word was too big for you) what you are saying.

[N4g_null]

Well it is going to be nice to see how much over head these controls will take from the code. It's a little too bad they didn't have retail stuff ready. Man is it going to be crazy when these thing actually come out. If the HD guys do not do this correctly they will give nintendo the lead no matter how good the concepts are.

You guys need to remember that the PS3 has had motion controls for a while and no one used them. You should also remember no one bought the pseye and also how much it actually cost. Oh yeah there was not a price drop for the PS3. Hopefully that is fixed by the time this comes out.

I'm glad MS has the z cam out though. I believe that may become the standard with a hybrid of the Wii mote. The only problem I see MS having is software now. Can they make a fun game that is not lame? The same goes for PS3... because the eye toy guy's games suck.

[Raoh]

LOL what is he supposed to say.. I love what sony and microsoft are doing, i wish we would have thought of that?

[na-no-nai]

i remember 3 years ago, lots peoples including devs and companies said this wouldnt succeed. now people are like crazy about it now. i thought it was awesome the first time nintendo introduces it ^_^

[qface64]

sounds just like the people that said pokemon was nothing more than a passing fad then it turned into a billion dollar empire xD

heck almost every time someone tries something new allot of people try and say it will fail or it won't do good just because its something new

then again sometimes they are right

[DarkArcani]

well most of the times they are right, or else no one would ever say that it wont work or last.

[darkmurder]

Hmm, I guess this is a "true" statement like how New Super Mario Bros can only be running on the wii due to its processing power....

[Dawn_Of_Ashes]

MEEH nintendo should be affraid of ms and sony. I bet sony will not offer other peripheral for the controler.

[qface64]

im guessing if they aren't its because they already have a huge part of the motion market down

i mean when people that don't really know anything about games see motion controls and find it interesting
nintendo is the name well the wii is the thing that would come to mind

way i see it by the time the other motion controls become more main stream nintendo will have their next crazy idea ready for release

[SuperM]

Actually i dont think Nintendo has any Crazy idea that can top this. The only new direction i can see them going is 3d, but i honestly dont see Nintendo being the first to incorporate this. Sony has already been doing alot of experiments on that area.

[sloth3395]

What i like is how all the fanboys said that motion controls suck and are not needed, that its just a fade and that they would never want motion controls for their games. Now that it was shown at E3 everyone is like i cant want for it to come out and its the best thing ever. I think companies should stop copying Nintendo and think of their own ideas

[GiantEnemyCrab]

Speak for Sony on that one.. I've always thought the waggle was meh but what Project Natal showed me could be implemented while also using a controller, like the head tracking.

Natal >>> Sony dildo controller >> Wiimote Plus

[All Time Greatness]

Play Beyond with the PS3 dildo-mote.

[Xephon08]

Quite frankly Eyepet looked way better then the Natal demo, not to say Natal won't deliver some awesome experiences in the future, but Eyepet made Natal look silly

[Qui-Gon Jim]

I usually find you to be a very reasonable poster (poster?), but i will respectfully disagree with you on this.

I think that Natal and Sony's "dildo" controller as you call it (Sony better get a name announced before that catches on) will largely just serve different purposes. Natal will be awesome for things like throwing grenades with precision in an FPS (not head tracking, because you still have to look at the TV to play), but Sony's motion controller has the precision to be used for AIMING in an FPS and could actually take the 360 controller's place as the "best" controller for shooters (assuming they end up mating it with a more standard controller and implement a control scheme that works well).

I think in the end, though, being peripherals, neither one will make as big an impact as expected until the next generation, when they become standard equipment.

[mephixto]

All the motion controlers or motion capture things are more aimed for casual gamers. Microsoft and Sony wants a piece of Nintendo's market. Like I said in another comment I don't want to jump behind the couch to take cover in Gears of War 3 or swing my hands like a cowboy to attack in God of War 4.

[Emmo]

@Qui-Gon Jim

Head tracking by Natal can work and it can even be used to create true 3D games without the need for glasses. That is where it will have a major benefit for games that use controllers, by working in conjunction with them.

[Smacktard]

Eyepet is embarrassing. Microsoft is making Nintenkids, and now Sony is making Nintenpets. It's just embarrassing as hell, is all. I love how the same people that went "LOL NINTENDOGS SHOVELWARE CRAP" are now going "Ooh, Eyepet *clap clap*"

It's just embarrassing and all of this is embarrassing and you should all feel embarrassed.

If you wanna talk about how good anything was, talk about how good Sony's tech demo for the device was, not... Eyepet. God.

[Qui-Gon Jim]

That's just false. I've seen you making that claim on several threads now. At best you're being stupid, and at worst you're flat out lying. The kind of 3D you're talking about is only possible if you have a different image going to each eye, which requires glasses of some kind. What you are describing just allows a parallax view, which is exactly the same as strafing. Using your logic, i was playing real 3D with the original Tomb Raider for PS1 because i could move Lara to sideways.

[Seferoth75]

Qui-Gon Jim ,

At CSE last year TV sets were shown that show 3D but require no glasses. You do not understand enough about what is 3D. You are assuming that one method of making 3D is the only way it will work. That isnt the case and you really need to look into it more before talking.

Also the 360 is not the best controller for shootings. the Wii remote is so far and probably will remain so. With the Wii remote you dont really have to hold your hand up like you have a real gun. Looks like you might have to for the 360 to recognize it. And as far as SOny goes. Well let me know when they get more than just a broken tech demo.

[Qui-Gon Jim]

Now that you mentioned it, i do remember hearing something about Tv's that can do 3d without glasses, but that's the TV. Natal will not be able to take a game and make it display a 3D image on a regular TV. I know enough about how 3D works to know that.

[Shnazzyone]

And in a dark black smoke cloud the nintendo ninjas were gone to work on the next super awesome game technology. Sony wretches it's fists in anger.

/scene

[A LIVING LEGEND]

Sorry,I missed it,the point that is.
Processing you say? Mario as well?
Processing+Mario=1986,garbage now pure gold then.
Everyone started somewhere,it just so happens..........

[koehler83]

Really? Cause Sony is using the same tech as Wii Motion Plus.. from the same maker of said tech. The SIXAXIS uses accelerometers and it sucks. Microsoft is using an IR camera, just as the Wii Remote does. Sooo... what exactly did you reject? Are you saying that Wii Motion Plus is a waste of time or that the Wii Remote was always a waste of time?

[GiantEnemyCrab]

Natal uses 2 cameras. One is infrared and that is mainly used for low light situations the other camera does the tracking and skeletal analysis. So if you put your arm outside the view of the camera it can calculate it based on your skeletal structure and compensate for it.

Way beyond what these IR sensors are doing.

[cjflora]

Your claims that Natal is so advanced seems proof that it will fail. First off, people have claimed over and over that the Wii and it's motion controls are a toy and real gamers don't want it. Second, the PS3 has been given grief for how powerful it is. It's too expensive, nobody uses the power it has, BluRay won't matter. Sony attempted to make a system that had advanced hardware, and everyone claims they're failing. You combine the motion control of Natal with the highly advanced technology, and you end up with a product that fails.

[Kevin McCallister]

If that's the case, then Natal and Sony's magic wand should be quite successful. Nintendo also rejected Playstation and Compact Discs.

[gumgum99]

Nintendo also rejected sheer horsepower in favor of a new way to control games, and look where we are now.

Rejection can work both ways; its the execution that counts.

[HDgamer]

When it all comes down to it, the wii and the ps3 remotes look like dildos. One for the young and one for the older crowd.

[koehler83]

Sounds like you have a preoccupation with phalluses.

[Qui-Gon Jim]

Better result with performance or cost analysis?

[Neo604]

the one that call it a dildo probably will stick it up thier ass because thier mind like it dirty.

[360DownINflames]

HD + Motion sensing = Better than Wii..

Debate is up between sony vs microsoft and Sony seems to be winning. I think sony will implement it better than microsoft. then again m$ might sell better.

[St0n3d Bluntman]

how did nintendo reject this again?

[darkmurder]

Vitality sensor.

[robotnik]

This guy is on crack, like all nintendrones, just ignore him.

[qface64]

kinda hard to ignore a article your reading .__.

[ChickeyCantor]

I'm actually bothered that almost no one realises that Nintendo had a good marketing strategy.
People said : WAIT TILL 360 GETS A PRICE DROP< WII WILL BE DOOMED.
My point is that its not really the price people are after, but the way it was presented to them, apparently the Wii will go strong even when sony and MS have the superior hardware, their MARKETING must be good inorder to capter this big audience.

They can say they have this and that in their hardware but i do not believe these controller will be a standard for this generation on those consoles.
On the Wii, no matter if the game is crap it supports "motion" controls. So the consumer can expect that from almost every game.

I wish them luck, but as long they don't do their marketing right it won't succeed, and simply saying WE HAVE THA MOTION CONTROLS TOO, won't do much.

If we are to say that people are getting the Nintendo because it was priced the cheapest before the 360 got a lower price, then i wonder why its still selling great.

(I know bringing "price" into this seems off but im just pointing out that their marketing should be SOLID(SNAKE METAL GEARRRRRRRRRRR)...Good luck though)

[dib8rman]

In the same breath Natal is better than Sony's motion controller.

The problem is the application to gaming.

To put it simply though, Sony's motion controller is just a cheap version of WM+ what allows it to be so accurate is the Eye Toy that measures it's position faster than WM+ gyroscope/accelerometers.

However without the camera it's about as useful as any other stick made of plastic.

For the record, Wiimote does not use the IR or the Light Bar for tracking it's position in space, that is specifically used for tracking the the pointer on a space below or above the bar. (Where the Wiimote is pointing) This has nothing to do with precision detection. In other words you can get 2 white lights or two candles for an even more precise IR control that what is offered currently. (Depends).

So in the end, WM+ is just more practical because it doesn't rely so heavily on a non integrated piece of hardware and only has one source of output as well as force feed back which is very nice to me anyway.

[blastermaster77]

Well dont you guys realize that nintendo is inovating and the others are just copy cats. They saw the market that nintendo has now and now they want it, and it all comes down to bussiness, they are there to make money and if copying makes money the will. Nintendo idea is superb and now they are kneeling and begging to have it so they can make $$$, the fact of the matter is ¨Play games have fun¨ and dont let your fanboyisim get to ya. In the end it will be better for all of us, I personaly love the wii remote for 1st person shooters is better that the old trusty analog stick, and it adds a sense of realisim, so I hope that sony´s wiiremote like and M$ natal do well, competition is good, it paves the road for the next big thing, so be assertive and play all of them if you can aford them. Have a nice day everyone.