Infinity Ward: Modern Warfare pushes Xbox 360 to its "upper limits"

VG247: Speaking with VG247 at E3 this week, Infinity Ward's Mark Rubin said that Modern Warfare 2 leaves the Xbox 360 winded and gasping for breath. At this point, he noted, it's all about finding little tricks to squeeze more power out of the aging machine.

[Party Boy]

Killzone 2 would explode in the 360. lawl

[Party Boy]

The 360 was a pos out the gate and will always be a pos. Did you see Uncharted 2 and GOW III?? Best looking games at e3.

[DeforMAKulizer]

Replying to yourself?

Anyways... I dont believe this hyping/marketing crap... I just want to enjoy the game!

[Montreafart]

And the 360 is already maxed out lol.

Ill still buy MW2 on PS3. Great action and gameplay!

[Nemesis54]

Yet Killzone 2 is the worst hyped game Sony has ever produced, it inevitably was one of the biggest failures and will cause the Playstation & Sony to go into bankruptcy.

[na2ru1]

How is a game acheiving 9/10 average a fail please explain.

[likedamaster]

Games like Killzone & Uncharted could never reach a COD4/MW2 level. There's no better coders in the game than Infinity Ward. You get Killzone/Uncharted up to 60fps especially on the ps3 and it will be unplayable because of how ugly those games will look. Nice try fanboys, MW2 day 1.

[Montreafart]

Infinity ward had one big hit: MODERN WARFARE 1.

Thats it. You idiots talk like as if IW is god.

Come back when they break the 100 million, idiot.

Also, Modern warfare is a multi platform game. And while gameplay is addictive, technically their games do not shine.

And how is Sony going bankrupt, xbot shiat? You idiots been saying that since 2006. Dont you idiots ever learn. PS3 has only GROWN in size and power. IT IS UNSTOPPABLE.

One of the reasons why Blu Ray is the superior format is because it enjoyed all the support from the major studios. PS3 ENJOYS ALL THE SUPPORT FROM EVERY MAJOR STUDIO OUT THERE AND MOST IMPORTANTLY:

PS3 ENJOYS THE SUPPORT OF PERHAPS THE MOST IMPORTANT EXCLUSIVE DEVELOPER ---> SONY's IMMENSE 1st and 2nd DEVELOPERS.

The triple A games will keep flowing in while MS has to beg and try to steal games from 3rd party which are bound to go multi platform ANYWAY. ROFL FAILURE OF A CONSOLE = 360

Shane: "hey aron, we're kinda running out of games here."

Aron: "hmmm, what should we steal. Asked Infinity ward yet?"
Shane: "yeah man, those fking leeches wanted 50 million for exclusivity"
Aron: "damn man, what is within our budget. What can we buy from them?"
Shane: "They are willing to sell us 9 days of timed exclusivity for 2 DLCs mappacks"
Aron: "what! THATS IT? FK..!! ... OK, do it!"

Hahaha it reeks of desperation, xbot scum. Pure desperation.

[Montrealien]

Montreafart and his many account`s stupidity have no boundaries and this post proves it. He is a hack, not a gamer, and is always talking out of his ass. He is always so mad because his mom wont let him get a ps3 , at least she lets him use her Dell laptop to talk on the interwebs so he can feel important.

[Nemesis54]

Hey, have you heard of something called the multi-platform best graphics in any game Crysis 2 coming with CryEngine 3? Which is way better than your little helghast choke on diarrhea little piece of poop?

[Joe2911]

way to go make yourself look like a fanboy, your just as bad as them saying "killzone 2 would blow up a 360". If you love your systems so much, go f***ing play them, rather than coming here to trash talk the other system because your self conscious of your choice in which console to back. /rant over/

On topic, umm.. well if thats what infinity ward say, i guess its true, but i think they mean as in terms of as good as their current engine will handle on the 360, im sure both copies of the game will be identical at the end of the day.

[air1]

i have to take advantage of this cause i know how you sony fanatics hate to talk about numbers, but since you brought it up....

why dont you come back when/if the ps3 passes the 360 in sales and if that happens wait longer until if/when the ps3 gets a hit that sells 10 million copies of a game on 1 console in this gen..

modern warfare didnt shine? wtf? was you under a rock when it came out? didnt see the reviews? szure buddy lets go back to the birth of the ps add up all the numbers and just say, ha! you see even though it came out this gen it didnt sell 100 million like game x has when you go back to the ps1 days. lol, what a clown..

yes sony will announce game after game after game after all they should i mean they have more studios than micro and ninty combined right!? problem is we never know when we will play them cause sony never puts a release date on the games. ask your self this, did sony release any dates for any game at e3? do you know what exclusive you will play this holiday besides uc2? and if you are going to put up that huge sony exclusive list be sure to put dates on them too..

[Spike47]

I don't know, I'm not a developer, but according to IW the xbox360 seems to be almost maxed out, as for the PS3, I've never heard of such a claim by any developer. So draw your own conclusions.

Oh and I guess this is a perfect example that just because a game has pretty graphics, doesn't mean it makes the xbox360 "not" maxed out. I'm not an expert on this but I'm sure there is more to it than nice graphics.

[KingKionic]

Alan wake looks amazing...hard to say xbox 360 is maxed out yet. Could it just mean at the time the engine couldn't do no more?

[LONEWOLF231]

Yeah the peeps over at Crytek have, they said that the PS3 will be maxed out with Crysis 2. BUT its extremely doubtful!

[Syronicus]

But rather, they should say that their code is not efficient or lean. As years go by, developers find new ways to lean out or make their code more efficient and a better use of memory and disc space. Granted, there are limitations but some of the best looking games come out years after the release of the console. Today IW will say that they have maxed out the console with their current code but next year they will say the same thing and yet have better looking graphics.

[ShabzS]

becoz the graphics of the game is completely different than other games ... with the ammount of heavy textures they use and all of it being streamed at 60 frames per second i can kinda believe this... i guess its making the 360 to flex its muscles a bit which is always good

[IdleLeeSiuLung]

These guys at VG247 is trying to stir up stuff by misleading people. They only quoted the following while adding their own narration or should I say wild interpretation:

“We always push to the upper limits,” he [Mark Rubin of IW] said. “It’s just a matter of working around them at this point.

His statement is more we pushed it as hard as we can now and just finding tricks to optimize further. From the video I saw, both Lost Planet 2 and the already released Gears of War 2 graphically look better.

[Perjoss]

@ Syronicus

you pretty much said what i was going to, so bubbles for making sense.
the best looking games usually come out at the end of a consoles lifespan just before the biggest devs make the jump to the next generation.

by the way, I find it very arogant of Crytek to say they will max out the ps3 even though this is the first game they are making for the console and it was also clear that Crysis was a main offender when it comes to optimization.

[Saint Sony]

With proper coding results are different. Not saying Infinity Ward does not have good coders, but saying that someone is maxing out 360 does not really tell how? If their code sucks of course they can max it out already with some 4 color version Tetris. Same with PS3.

I'm pretty sure that there's still going to be real surprises coming what devs really can get out of PS3 and 360.

There were many times talks how some devs maxed out PS3 with Killzone 2 for example and even Lair.. total crap talk. E3 showed so many good looking games for both consoles that these maxing out comments are bullcrap.

[StanLee]

" . . . as for the PS3, I've never heard of such a claim by any developer. So draw your own conclusions."

Crytek's CEO just said in a recent interview that Crysis 2 has maxed out the PS3 when the game will run the same on both consoles so make of his comments what you will. I do like the subtle fanboyism though. Nice.

[SuperM]

As far as i know IW is just saying it as it is. They are maxing it in terms of performance but they are always working on different tricks to make the code more efficient. Ofcourse Modern Warfare 3 is going to look even better, but i dont think we will see any Quantom leaps like we saw With Uncharted 1 to Uncharted 2.

[PrimordialSoupBase]

*They've maxed out their engine.

[7thNightvolley]

this max this out this max that out... i am tired of all this bs.. and then 1 year down the line a game comes out that slaps the game was was said to max out a console. i don't think ps3 or 360 is maxed out yet.. i believe developers can make the console flex their muscles but to maxed it totally out is crappy talk. well i would say maybe in terms of disc space.. thats about it.

[Simon_Brezhnev]

i mean it might not be graphic better then 360 games but think about it what i saw in that trailer was a lot going on not just 1 or 4 enemies like gears so they could mean physics, a.i., and more enemies on screen.

[Kaneda]

maybe they meant max out on the DVD format, but not graphics..

[Mo0eY]

You ignorant people talking about coding and graphic optimization have no clue what you are talking about.

Graphics have nothing to do with coding. Graphic workarounds can further increase the graphics of a game. Compressed code can give more space so graphics can be further enhanced, but coding has nothing to do with graphical prowess (they are more for up, down, left, right, buttons, etc).

[SCThor]

If Crysis looks the same on Xbox360 and PS3, than only means that Crytek don't know how to code on PS3, as simple as that.

[jcgamer]

This is something both PS3 and 360 owners have to deal with...marketing hype...Next year, Call Of Booty: Modern Retail Whorefare (lol) will be released to the masses and trust me, we'll hear the same thing guys...come on...maybe their game engine has reached its upper, outer and Extra-Terrestrial limits (lol), but go take a look at Alan friggin' Wake and tell me that it doesn't take a dump on Modern Borefare 2! Technically AND visually! Like Flavor Flav said..Don't Believe The HYPE!

lol :)

[3sexty rulzzz]

don't know if Alan Wake is possible on Ps3. Ps3 can't ever be max out according to SDF; PS3 is growing old as we speak and its only 2 years old

[Tito Jackson]

Inifinity Ward's current engine may be maxed out. Crytek sure doesn't seem to have a problem with exceeding the "limits". IW needs to revamp the engine their using or build a new one(which would take MUCH longer). But all the same, MW2 looks great--- But if they cant do better, dont blame the 360'd Hardware.

@mooey: OMG. Please stop. You have no idea how stupid you sound.

@SCTHOR: yeah dude, that must be it. but according to mooey, that has nothing to do with it. TO BE COMPLETELY honest, youre both wrong--but you were much MUCH closer to being right than Moobey.

@bishop(below): DING DING DING! We have a winner. Kinda.

[BISHOP-BRASIL]

I said it yesterday for PS3 with Crysys and I'll say it again today for 360 with MW2. NO MULTIPLAT GAME WILL MAX OUT ANYTHING, at least while devs keep using PC code gimped 'till both consoles can play it.

[Bnet343]

I doubt it, Alan Wake looked 100x better. I don't know, I'm going to wait and see, but for me graphics in COD games don't phase me at all, it's more of a gameplay thing.

[Grandreaper9999]

Alan Wake did look amazing. Kinda gave me flashbacks of the first Silent Hill (very much a good thing).

[Ashriel]

kojima and crytek have both said they have maxed out the ps3 but they are sh*tty devs who don't understand the unlimited power of the greatest machine ever created

/sarcasm.

[deeznuts]

Isn't it funny that all of a sudden Infinity Ward are mediocre inefficient coders?

[menoyou]

The Alan Wake footage looks amazing to the eye just like Killzone 2 looks better than Crysis to the eye. They're using a lot of tricks (such as darkness and enemies without true forms), but hardware wise it can't get much better. If you know what to look out for, you would see Alan Wake isn't technically amazing at all and that they probably dumbed it down to make it work on the 360 which is a shame for the PC version. The graphics aren't what's great about Alan Wake at all, it's the gameplay.

[cmrbe]

as it means that IW is push the x360 to its limit. The limit could always be pushed further with more optimisation in the future.

However, COD MW2 is an open world game so the limit they might be talking about is space.

[Arnon]

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
(in-game on 360. No rendering, as stated by Remedy.)

^^^

Everything about this looks better in terms of graphical achievements. And no, Alan Wake was not dumbed down because of the 360. Alan Wake on Xbox 360 will run at 720p native, while the PC version will run at 1080p.

There's no time for any fanboy crap. PS3 fans AND 360 fans know that this is false. And have seen graphical achievements on both consoles.

[aksmashh]

It probably is maxed out, im sure same thing was said about Gears 2.
Also it sounds good for 360 users that pushing it to limits.
They wouldn't say it about the PS3 because that wouldn't make sense because each 1st party game looks bigger & better

[FamilyGuy]

Is a different genre. MW has many on screen players at once and thats one of the 360s biggest weak points, if not THE biggest. Im not a tech head but i calls em like i sees em. On screen action plus many characters interacting seem tough or undone for some reason on the 360.

[Sarcasm]

I honestly don't see the big deal in Alan Wake.

Flame me all you want.

It certainly did make me go "OMG I MUST HAVE IT! OMG DID YOU SEE THE GRAPHICS? DID YOU SEE THE FLUID SMOOTH CHARACTER ANIMATIONS? DID YOU SEE THE MIND BLOWING GAMEPLAY?"

The best looking part of the whole game was honestly the scenery. But the actual gameplay portions wasn't revolutionary.

[MGSR THE HD VERSION]

ahhhh, that's a bunch of bull sh!t, Infinity Ward said that same sh!t with cod4. splinter cell DA and conviction, ff13, alan wake, mass effect2 all look better, they just want to rise the momentum and the expectations of this new cod game.

[donnie-2105]

crytec have recently stated that the cryengine2 was maxing out the PLAYSTATION3 but in the interveiw he mentions nothing of the 360 so presuming it could cope more.i believe the devs of the best looking game in history than the makers of the nice but dated cod2 and 4

[7ero H3LL]

if crysis does better than it's the cod engine that's maxed out.

[y0haN]

I hope it isn't 600p like CoD4 and WaW but I think it will be. I doubt that it maxes out the PS3 and Xbox 360, but perhaps the PS3 to an extent.

[Reno17]

That was the best comment I've heard all week.

[barom]

It's weird how people always go "but <insert title> looks better". People forget sometimes that COD4 runs at 60fps and I'll be stunned if Modern Warfare 2 didn't do the same. There are plenty of sacrifices for that smooth 60fps and I'm sure a bunch of other stuff they're doing as well.

Same thing with Red Faction Guerilla (at one point they said they maxed out 360). It might not graphically look that good but when pretty much EVERYTHING is destructible, you should start to realize how much of power is needed for that stuff. A look at Gears and you'll see exactly what I mean. It graphically looks good (scratch that it looks great) but whenever you see those swarms of locust and you shoot them, they disappear as if they were a fart, it's just *poof* and they're gone. Likewise, their desctructible enviroments is VERY limited. Similarly Halo 3 does not look that great but when you get features like 4-player splitscreen, some sacrifices is needed to make that happen. Ninja Gaiden 2 as well, 60fps but below HD resolutions.

[SpoonyRedMage]

Wha? Modern Warfare looks good but Splinter Cell looks so much better.

Perhaps the technology isn't Infinity Wards strength?

EDIT: A disagree? Did you watch the Conviction gameplay footage? It looks so much better than MW 2.

[Cartesian3D]

I saw SC:C gameplay in HD many times.. it looks good , but not even as good as Gears 2 .. (not even close to uncharted 2)

btw I agree with you foxgod for the first time. Im tierd of this word "LIMIT" .. Crytek,IW.. all developers can say they can push X to its limit, but they are just hyping their product.

there is no actual limit, may be CPU and GPU run at 100% frequency and all the 512 MB ram is full but it doesnt mean you used the whole power. its about how you write the code to make a best picture you can.

btw dont compare games like Alan Wake with CoD:MW2 , in MW2 there is alot going on in the screen. both look amazing btw

[SpoonyRedMage]

Really? I thought Splinter Cell: Conviction looked fantastic. Especially in the more cinematic bits that are still in game.

It's always tough to compare graphics really. Alan Wake does look brilliant and apparently it's open world!

[Trebius]

I saw the trailer for the first time last night...I was expecting to be blown away by the graphics...but to me it just looks like Punisher level graphics. It wasnt anything special...doesnt hold a candle to Uncharted 2 or even Alan Wake the hell up.

[PS360PCROCKS]

I agree cartesian. I'm excited to play Splinter Cell but I was watching the video and I was like, "these graphics aren't that good" which is weird because when they first showed it, it looked better, than they changed everything.

[KingME]

Funny thing is everytime a new high graphic game comes out, people start chanting that the 360 is being pushed to it's max. The games are looking increasingly better yet, the 360 limits/upper limits seems to continue to rise with them.

I wonder when will we ever reach this so-called 360 limits that everyone keeps talking about. Wasn't the first modern warfare suppose to do that? Hmmm, sounds like my BS to me.

[Foxgod]

For modern warfare 3 they will claim that the 360 will be pushed to its outer limits instead of upper limits.

To boldly go where no game went in the 360 before.

[SupaPlaya]

good one. Bubble.

To Infinity and BEYOND! :P Pun intended.

EDIT: Fox how did you get so many disagrees lol... Your comment was funny! Come on people try a bit fun sometimes. Taking this pseudo "war" way too seriously!

[ChampIDC]

Wow, so many disagrees for you? People obviously don't like jokes. Bubs up.

[commodore64]

yeah bubbles fox.

I hate to see people disagreed with and/or debubbled just because some of the socially challenged borderline autistic fanboys on here can't let go of a grudge every now and then...

[Anon1974]

Some users around here are just way too sensitive when it comes to that console wars nonsense. Obviously Fox's comment was harmless.

[Foxgod]

Thank you very much guys, bubbles for all of you.

[somekindofmike]

lol, I've disagreed with some things fox has said on other threads, but what you've said here is probably very true!

Infinity Ward will probably push the 360 even further with their next Cod game!

[Tito Jackson]

While Foxgod's was good, your's was better. Thanks for making my morning. :)

[Kleptic]

its marketing though...

the 360 will NOT be maxed out by a 600p game...the thing with CoD is that IW insists on it running at 60fps, which is a tall order for both consoles in this genre...its much easier in racing games and other genre's that have different view cones and can 'hide' details better...but in an fps, its very hard to get 60fps and have it still look good with the amount of ram in the 360/PS3...

Alan Wake looks to be the game that is going to show more of what the 360 can really do...which is good for everyone...its a shame it took so long for MS to figure out that UE3 is no longer special...

[Omega4]

And next year COD6 will do the same and the year after that COD:MW3 will do the same as well.

Hyping graphics and tech doesnt make people like the game anymore than they already do, its the gameplay that draws people to it

[King-Nax]

This article and the crytek article maxing out the PS3 are ESSENTIALY the SAME.

But you used two very different answers that contradict each other.

[Omega4]

Difference is the PS3 is 'supposed' to be far superior to the 360 so if a game that is maxing out the PS3 will look the same as the 360, kinda kills the idea of which one is more powerful.

This is talking about the 360 being maxed while the other was about the PS3 being maxed which is quite a big difference.

[raztad]

Omega you are making excuses. Crytek is nobody in console development, not a single game from them and even their flagship title on PC was hardly efficiently coded, so they have a lot to prove before to make boldy claims about x system being maxed out . On the other hand IW were GODS for you till today.

[Why o why]

anyway this supposedly stronger consoles games like mgs4 drakes, gt5p and killzone have yet to be matched. You may prefer some of the 360s exclusives graphics but the truth is the ps3 has shown more power in less time and is harder/more complicated to dev for therefore its more powerful. MS should proves these guys wrong though. It may be IW themselves who have hit the wall or maybe its down to the engine who knows. You must be pissed to hear this omega

[bekum_aka_jarhed]

just wonder how they could of push the limits to the ps3
but fourzerotwo is a xbot fanboy

[Dimitri]

fourzerotwo also wrote some articles on his blog about SONY, you all should take a look at it. He is an extreme fanboy, trust me.

I wonder when we will see developers saying "We pushed the PS3 to its upper limits"

[Montrealien]

that makes me wonder, can sucker punch push the PS3 to its limits? Guess that would mean zero draw in, 60 fps and native 1080p?

[xdye017]

I can't believe you you're such a graphics whore. Gameplay > graphics any day. You can have KZ2 sparkling graphics but you'll never have the fun of gameplay in Halo 3.

[bekum_aka_jarhed]

i disagree

halo sucks

[-x.Red.x-]

what you talking about

MW>>>>>>> ;>>>>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>& gt;>>>>>>> >>>>>halo3 in gameplay!!!

[Dimitri]

If you're such a gameplay whore why dont you go back to PS2 or XBOX ??

Thats the whole point of next gen systems = graphics and physics.

[bambooman584]

isn't really trying to be all fun, they stated that they wanted it to be thrilling and like being in the middle on a firefight, not jumping 10 feet in the air and snipping people. its a completely different goal between the games, so you can't call either game on that.

[-x.Red.x-]

looks like teh xbawk will never get Gfx like Kz2...

it's okay, ya got Halo and next week Moar HALO!

[peeps]

I really don't beleive it when devs say this...

the other day the guys behind Crysis 2 said that Crysis 2 was pushing ps3 to it's limits (but no mention of crysis pushing 360 to its limits)

so if crysis can't push it to it's limits, i highly doubt COD:mw2 will lol

ppl will prob disagree, but from a technical standpoint mw2 isn't much of an advancement over COD4. Will still be a good game though but technically, not much appears to have changed

[raztad]

Your logic is flawed.

Based on Crytek (not a single game on consoles yet) claims you assume that 360 > Ps3 and then draw the conclusion IW is lying cause MW2 is more o less the same than MW1. IMO, IW has much more to say regarding consoles than Crytek.

I still remember a very recent post were many of you 360 fans were defending the MW2 footage with all you got. Calling it amazing. Well, now that changed it's the same than MW1, LOL

I dont pretend to defend IW but Im sensing hypocrisy.

[Mo0eY]

So can anyone tell me why this guy has so many bubbles with fanboy comments like this in the gamer zone?

Anyone?

[peeps]

look at all my comments. and how is my comment even remotely fanboyish? what cus i said some devs said they are pushing the limits of a console... i guess because i said it about a ps3 and you only own a ps3 :| if my sig doesn't convince u lol take a look at my comments haha if anything it's you 2 that are the fanboys!

btw mooey while ur checking my comment history maybe you should check your own. how you can call me a fanboy is ridiculous looking at some of the stuff you write haha

[bekum_aka_jarhed]

PS3 FTW

[Mr_Controversy]

Call of Duty maxing out the Xbox 360? LOL...first get to Gears of War type graphics before you claim to max out the Xbox 360's power.

[jerethdagryphon]

im sorry but i must disagree with you.

i do 3d modeling and know some/ not all of the tricks used to get more with less.

taking apart gears was a fun experiance.

it uses a lot of simple tricks to maximize its effects
some of the things i know it uses is displacment maps
these are textures layers that make certain types of complex geometry such as ridges in hoses and tank treads very memeory effecient

by simulating them

backface culling is an obvious trick used
meaning 360 a wont render parts of the map not activly seen

parralaxmapping/selfshadowing

bumpmapping, another displacment type
normall mapping
is making a texture from a high poly model and applying the texture from that over the low poly model.
http://favoniangamers.files...
really shows the normal mapping: as the textures an detail look 3d fom farther away but go flat at close examination.

epics texture artists are quite good though. and overall its a nice effect
but its all in texture tricks, same as alan wake very few games use lots of geometry for detail
but in games the saying is true
beauty is only skin deep

[Pootangpie]

but there are better looking games then Modern warfare 2 being developed on the 360 right now

[DARK WITNESS]

Sorry IW, but after seeing Alen Wake and Forza 3, i find your claims hard to believe. Maybe you can't get anymore out of it with the same engine you used for Cod4, but it is clear other developers are.

[iMad]

There is new generation of game engines coming to 360. It's uses tesselation(x10 more poligons like in Forza 3), MEMEX (more "virtual" memory - Forza 3 1080p) and all 3 CPUs.

[SuperSharpShooter]

MF2 has the same graphics as Call of duty MF?..i doubt this story....

[-MoOkS-]

I can tell you right now that Crysis 2 will look far better than MW2.

So no, it's not pushing the limits of the 360.

Crysis 2 will be the game to do that. You will see that the 360 has a better graphics processor than ps3, once that game is out.

[TheTruth89]

LOL

You're really funny, but please sometimes, think before say bullsh1t.

[Dimitri]

Time will show..

But even if the XBOX 360 or the PS3 have better graphics than the other.. Fanboys will be the first ones to deny it and to prove that their console is better.

Thats why i dont give a .... about what people say. My opinion is what counts.

[Major_Tom]

Even from the Crysis tech demo you could see major faults on the Xbox 360 version the pop in was more severe the volumetric explosions wasn't as good as the PS3 and the shader seemed to be lagging behind. The lighting seemed to be more natural on the PS3 version as well.

I don't understand how Xbox Fanboys think they're going to compete with newer tech it's just not going to happen. You guys had your killzone in 2005 and it pretty much stopped there. Reval in that for a bit reminisce the good old times when PS3 wasn't even out yet.

[Lou-Cipher]

You guys said Gears 2 was going to have better graphics.
You guys said Fable 2 was going to have better graphics.
You guys said Alan Wake was going to have better graphics.
You guys said Modern Warfare 2 was going to have better graphics.
You guys said Forza 3 was going to have better graphics.

That 360 game that has better graphics than the PS3 exclusives is never coming.(get over it already)

The truth is that not one single game on the 360 has better graphics than Wipeout HD(and thats a PSN game) So what in the he11 makes you think that the 360 is going to top GOW III/Uncharted 1&2/Gran Turismo Prologue/Gran Turismo 5/Heavy Rain/MGS4/Killzone 2/Little Big Planet/Final Fantasy Versus 13/The Last Guardian ect ect.

Just because Microsoft says that they can produce graphics as good as the PS3 does not make it true.(haven't you realized that MS is better at lying than they are at making games)

Don't be ashamed of the games on the 360, but just realize that they are not as graphically strong as most PS3 exclusives.

[jcgamer]

Alan Wake looks much better than Modern Warfare 2...they're just trying to hype their game...

[7thNightvolley]

tryin to put it on par with the graphic kings so ppl actually put their outdated engine into perspective.... ps3 and 360 are not maxed out ..their engines are .. or rather their skills are maxed out.

[HuGi]

Crysis2 eill max Ps3 and 360 how has cod6 done that lol

[bunfighterii]

they are saying this about every game now. its a marketing ploy so we think this will be the next best thing.

[ShabzS]

yes there are better looking games in development or already developed for the 360 most run on 30 fps .. unlike this beauty right here

[peeps]

in all fairness 60fps is only really needed for racing games because you're traveling fast so it makes it a lot smoother. where as playing an fps thats 30fps as a pose to 60fps, i doubt you would see much difference

[ShabzS]

the difference is really noticlible if u play it often....

like when i had bought call of duty 4 i was playing it like regulary non stop for weeks ... i mean it was litrely the ONLY game i was playing for 2 weeks ... once i was done

i finally came around to playing bioshock ... and thats when i noticed how slow and painfull a 30 frps shooter is ...i finished it the firstime with the unlock framerate option turned on ... just becoz i couldn't handle the 30 fps... i was so used to 60 fps during that week.. its really noticible once u play it regularly

[LightofDarkness]

60FPS in a game like COD is important to the competitive die-hards. They would complain if it wasn't. It's a twitch shooter, so they'd prefer that their actions are measured every 1/60th of a second rather than every 1/30th. Pretty nit-picky, yes, but that's the way people look at it.

[The Meerkat]

Play COD4 then play Halo 3 and you'll see what a difference 60fps makes.

[PtRoLLFacE]

i think the engine is max out cuz there will be games coming to the 360 that will look better than CoDMW2

[Mr_Controversy]

Call of Duty = More Milk...

We don't need one every year man. All these fit/music/shooters..damn man..what happened to variety?

[SupaPlaya]

Very true...

[silvacrest]

this will sound totaly fanboyish but if you want variety right now?

get a PS3

also you have heavy rain and trico to look forward too

[raztad]

Now this is funny as hell. IW has been regarded as a top notch developer by 360 fans. Unlike Crytek, IW is a proven devel on consoles but I guess it will lose some respect today.

I should say that LP2 impressed me more than MW2, but there is stuff beyond nice textures and smart lighting that is hard to notice looking at screenshots and videos.

Physics, particles effects, water simulation, snow simulation, etc, all of them are very cpu-based tasks and require a lot of processing power. Maybe IW just found out bottlenecks in the 360 arch.

[thereapersson]

I'm getting tired of hearing these comments from developers with EVERY big-name game. It's ridiculous because 6 months or a year down the road we are going to look back on these comments and laugh, due to the major advances that will inevitably come with more development experience.

[jcgamer]

yall can hype this game up all you want...lol...next year, another Call Of Dooty (lol) will arrive! Aside from some glossy cut scenes, MW2 looks like a hot mess! The drop visually from cut scene to actual gameplay was alarming during the demo...Alan Wake is open world AND visually superior to this junk bunk

lol :)

[Pootangpie]

PS3 is more powerful according to sony and the fanboys everyone else said each system does one thing better then the other

[N4GayFanturds]

In what aspect is it pushed to it's upper limits?

With only 512Mb of memory, I'd say that feat is easily accomplished today. Try playing any game from the last few years on a PC w/512Mb Ram and see how it runs.

Move on.

[tudors]

I know exactly what you mean, really people should be amazed at what the consoles can do with so little memory, I would expect to have a PC with at least 1gb ram with a 3.4ghz CPU and at least a 512 meg card, and then I bet you I would not get the same results. Anyway the graphics are good enough now, the games look like they are playing better with more substance, e.g. I don't have a problem with the unreal engine but I do agree that it has made some devs lazy, thankfully not all, we are now starting to see the next wave. Regards the article I think by the sounds off things CODMW2 will be physics heavy with a lot going on and all at 60hz, more action equals more CPU/GPU usage, it's not rocket science.

[PS360PCROCKS]

60FPS no Hz. Hz is the refresh rate of your Tv. :)

[Jdoki]

Here we go again! Yesterday it was 'Crysis 2 pushes the PS3 to it's limits'.

Today was have 'MW2, pushes the 360 to it's limits'.

I'm not a game designer, but I would put money that the NEXT Call of Duty also 'pushes the 360 and/or PS3 to it's limits'; along with a just about every AAA between now and when MS/Sony retire their current gen consoles!!

[StanLee]

Agreed. Seems to be the new mantra from developers.

[maverick1191]

the graphics aint that great they look the same as cod 4 but im only buying this because of the MP i think thats what most people are buying it for

[psycho360]

If MW2 has level sizes of Battlefield:BC along with same destructability with all kinds of vehicles and then graphics like Farcry2 then they should claim something like that.

Dont get me wrong, loved MW1 to death and prob played it bit more than BF:BC but compared to BC, COD4's graphics were lower, maps we all remember being very tight and small so their claim can only be made in reference to their COD engine.

[MOE2FREAKY]

They could be close to maxing out the 360. Just remember it's not just visual's it also physics and other factors that can max out the 360.

[Bladestar]

The xbox 360 launched November 22, 2005.... which means that this year the xbox 360 will become 4 years old... a console generation ranges between 4-5 years... I find it Hilarius that year after year developers say something similar when bringing their games.

Take a look at what they said when they were working on COD4:

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

"After the initial data caching (?) glitch, this clip settles down nicely at 60fps on Xbox 360, while the equivalent video pushes the frame rate down to 50FPS on the PlayStation 3. As this is mostly a gameplay clip from a pretty advanced-looking level, it suggests that Infinity Ward is starting to push the CoD4 engine to its limits on the Sony platform. "

limits are not only on hardware but as developers refine their engines and develop new techniques and improvements in their engines games will improve.

when developers say they are pushing the hardware to it's limits.. they are referring to pushing the hardware the best they can with the existing game engine and code they currently have. This is the reason why the last GOD on the PS2 was way more detailed than any previous PS2 game.

I find it funny that Sony leg humpers are still trying to dig dirt trying to prove that the xbox 360 hardware is already maxed out when timewise it's already reaching the boundaries of the 4-5 years lifespan...

What if the xbox 360 is maxed out (which is not the case) and graphics can't do improve beyond what we've seen with games like Mass Effect, Resident Evil, Gears 2, COD MW2, etc and now developers stop the graphic race and focus on the gameplay more for the next 1-2 years while the next xbox comes out with DirectX 11-12? Yeah... sure... I doubt xbox 360 owners will suffer it as much as Sony leg humpers.

Seriously I do hope the xbox 360 get maxed out within a year... I want a new xbox 360 by next E3.

[Montreafart]

And yet that is also what EPIC said about Gears of war 1. The game was launched in 2005.

And all those years later...NOT ONE 360 game looks BETTER than Gears of war.

You bots really are stupid. Just like in 2005, you are in denial today. But 5 years later, there still wont be one game on the crapbox that looks better than Gears 1.

Hahaha

[KingKionic]

Thats a big statement even gears two and resident evil 5 looks better then gears of war 1 .

[Man_of_the_year]

Great Post and again well researched. +bubbles to you. Lets not forget that most of the Droids on this account are under 15 years old so they don't know any better.

[Nemesis54]

Xbox 360 will stay for a few more years, because they don't need to make a new console next year. It's not maxed out, thats just a big joke. The 360 has enough CPU and GPU horsepower to handle games well up to the PS3's standards. I'm sure it can handle Killzone 2 & heavy Rain, because if it can handle Crysis 2, than of course it can handle Killzone 2.

[n4gno]

Xbox is already maxed out, all hardware is well known by devs, and you can see that no game since two years are really more beautifull than gears 1.

PS3 is like ps2, each years products are betters (and even in 2007 superiors to xbox games)

[Major_Tom]

You must get awfully dizzy from all that spinning you do.

[sedx]

easy there 7 gigs.

[Bombomb]

who to believe

[otherZinc]

maybe Infinity Ward it the POS I know they are. I'm not buying MW2 because their overrated @ss didn't put co-op in the mission like its predecessor did. Thats $120 gone for the omission of the co-op mission feature that has been in squad based shooters for years.

Infinity Ward = Overrated!

[ZEEBO4LIFESTFU]

to mw2 getting exclusive map packs?

[peeps]

to mw2 getting timed exclusive map packs?

[CobraKai]

I'm pretty sure that with careful management of the 360's processing power you can still get more. Same goes for the PS3. Wii is the only one that is maxed out.

[7thNightvolley]

true thou... it actually did.. LOOOOL

[Knightofelemia]

I could careless about it being maxed out on the 360 and just a trickle on the PS3 the debate can go on for the next 4 years, I'd rather grab a case of beer pizza and play this game.

[Juevani]

maybe they know something we dont?? like for estance they know that MS is realesing a new Xbox soon and IW dont need to deal with the question of (that means ur next game gonna be excatly like this one since u have maxed out the console??) i mean they're not that dumb to not think about tomorrow.. i could be wrong thought..

[-chaz-]

This is one of those occasions where some no-name site takes an innocent remark heard at E3 like: "hey, we've really pushed the 360 to the max with our new game" and turned it around into something negative.

[xg-ei8ht]

360 maxed out with gears 2. Still slowdown in the gameplay, from an engine tailored for 360.

[-chaz-]

Just so you know, the Unreal engine isn't any more tailored to the 360 than it is the PC or the PS3. Even better, Epic claimed to have "maxed out the 360" with Gears 1.

Hmmmmm.....

[kaveti6616]

It was merely optimized to use some power from the 360 for Gears 2. That's the reason why they said they maxed out the 360, because they didn't even efficiently create a proprietary engine for the game.

In fact, there are few proprietary engines built for the 360, probably because Microsoft doesn't have many first party studios to give 4 years time to make an engine.

I agree with the people responsible for designing both the PS3 and 360 hardware (IBM) that the consoles are about equal in power. Therefore, if the guy who designed the machines tells you they have the same capabilities, you should put your fanboyishness aside and listen to them. 360s potential may never be realized. It's a shame because there's a lot of power under that white chassis.

[outlawlife]

if 360 maxed out with gears 2 then why do alan wake and the new splinter cell both look better?

[LinuxGuru]

I think devs should just shut up and quietly optimize the game engines for each console and not say a word about it to anyone.

[djtek184]

M$ should just give up making hardware.

[Nemesis54]

$ony already gave up when they lost to the 360 years ago. Now they are just trying to scrap out little bits of money by ripping off their precious little consumers with crappy titles and cheap games.

[i3eyond the Circle]

Almost like when that guy showed off Mod Nation Racers and said it uses the maximum power of the Ps3.

Please hypocrites don't believe everything you hear.

[Shendow]

How do you know? MGS4 use 100GB but had to be compress to fit on blurays 50GB, the game might be mostly max on how it can use the PS3 unlimited HDD space (Meaning you can just get a 500GB or more HDD) so we just have to find out and its sad that they max out MW2 for 360 but they can't max out PS3? It kind of shows it is to easy to max out on 360.

[Grandreaper9999]

@ Jcgamer

"Call Of Booty: Modern Retail Whorefare"

I think I just died.

[biggsftw]

Since graphics have reached a plateau on both systems we now switch to processing power. I cannot believe for one second that any of you people can't accept the fact that Cell is a monster and can process way more than xbox's machine. The fact that some ps3 exclusives are exclusive for a reason proves it all. If they were to port to 360 then things would be left out or graphics reduced. 360 is a cool machine, but I think its time for people to evolve to the next level of gaming known as PS3

[Pootangpie]

IBM has recently stated that but yet you fanboys will only listen to sony makes perfect sense

[kaveti6616]

All those crappy ports to the PS3 prove that the 360 is more powerful than the PS3.

All it proves is that Sony has talented first party devs and has given them lots of resources and lots of time to make those exclusives. That is all it proves. It has nothing at all to do with hardware.

Microsoft is capturing the 3rd party market right now, what they should be doing is building a better first party arsenal.

[PS360PCROCKS]

I think they are pushing it for sure. Their is a lot a lot of textures and the levels seem really huge. It seems like a much bigger game than the first.

[KwietStorm_BLM]

To me, Modern Warfare 2 doesn't even have the same "wow" factor that the first game did after watching videos, so what are they even saying? I think they're just following the trend this generation and hyping their own IP, as other have said above. Alan Wake definitely looks more robust.

[bjornbear]

MGS2 was said to be "the best graphics on the ps2" (and they were amazing o.o-oh and lets not count GT cz thats different xD)...then came along Final Fantasy X, then came along ResEvil4...and SoTC...and....well there were loads..

My point is the ps2, in its 10 years has been "maxed out" like 10 times =P...if these consoles are even MORE powerful, expect to hear this news every time a new big game pushes the the console a little more.

There are many ways of going about this with game design options, code trimming, new advances in software, etc....so I'm not surprised IW say this...or many upcoming companies.

However, for the PS3 this won't be heard for a little while still (Crytech is a bad example, they are known for horribly /or no optimised code) but it will come too =)

EITHER WAY this is also quite a marketing stunt indeed, and I'm sure 360 has a lot more to give than what we saw =) (I.E LP2 and Alan Wake both looked stunning, and a little sharper than MW2, but js imho)

[rawd]

Translation: Don't be surprised if your Xbox explodes into flames

[n4gno]

Nemeis don't lie to yourself like others ms employees, it's bad for your mental health.

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

you KNOW 360 fans are already going to buy your game, so why the need to say you maxed 360 out? Alan Wake says hi to you Infinity Ward...

To be honest I wasn't impressed at all with what they showed at E3 for the new game, even graphically...

But then again I've lost interest in the franchise longggg ago, but I still own COD2 for my 360!!!!

[bambooman584]

All i have to say is, OUCH!

[GiantEnemyCrab]

Not buying this marketing mumbo jumbo just like I didn't buy Cryteks line they maxed out the PS3.

MW2 looks good but not that good. This statement is going to bite IW in the end.

[equax]

Until my system starts to blow smoke, that's when I know a game has maxed it out to its limit.

[click 2 get virus]

a kick in the balls

[Thoreau]

nematoad. ha ha ha MW2 pushing the 360 limits, ha ha ha. funny to read but even more fun to watch.

[ikkokucrisis]

IW have proven themselves to be masters at their craft, and it really makes me wonder what they could produce if they made a PS3 exclusive!

[pshizle]

xbox360 1 more year before maxed out.

am i the only one that thinks Modern Warfare 2 looks amazing?

[Figboy]

THEN watch the Uncharted 2 E3 trailer.

Infinity Ward isn't maxing out sh*t with their multi-platform game engine.

hell, Modern Warfare 2 doesn't even look as rich and detailed as Killzone 2, let alone anything else.

don't get me wrong, Infinity Ward did a stellar job with CoD4. and Modern Warfare 2 looks good, but to claim that they are maxing out ANYTHING is laughable.

[raztad]

Bro KZ2 runs circles around most titles out there and some yet to be released, judging only based on video gameplays. KZ2 has a physics engine unparalleled and I doubt any game coming to the 360 will match that.

Btw, KZ2 destroy MW2, but IW could be aiming for a faster framerate and coop while making concessions on visual fidelity. If that is true that means they are prioritizing gameplay over graphics, Im OK with that, game looks good to begin with. I dont know for sure what is doing IW, they could be just spouting nonsense, but its quite rare to heard this comment after being one of the developers worshipped by 360 fanbase.

[air1]

so what, kz2 pushes the ps3 to its limits

oh, wait...............

[Hockey11]

It doesn't and even if it does than it is safe to assume that killzone 2 is the best looking game this gen because xbox sure isn't going to get a game looking better than killzone 2.

[gamingparadise]

but there's always room for improvement before they can truly "max" out gaming consoles, but hey, I'm glad with the way modern warfare 2 is now. It's going to be one heck of a shooter.

[ModernWarfare2]

What if infinity ward worked on the PS3 as their main console and pushed the PS3 to its best. the game would be even more awsome

[Tr10wn]

How the hell they can tell that when MW2 is out of dated in term of graphics... the Assasin's creed 2 team can said that of Gears of war team but IW?

[blakstarz]

I don't believe any of these devs....until I hear from someone who exactly knows the PS3 hardware like Naughty Dog, Guerrilla Games, or Insomniac say they have maxed it out...then I'll believe it.
As soon as devs stop relying on the played out UE3 engine and someone actually makes something that says HOT DAMN on the 360..then I'll believe it, Alan Wake looks close to it....IW and even Treyarch's COD didn't look like nothing special that pushed either console to it limits, quite frankly, if you really get up close to the visuals and everything displayed on the screenshot, its rather weaksauce...textures are muddy on both, and not everything has a real "static" look to it like pasted on environments with no real time movements like tress or grass in the game, very static...which is why I don't see why people hype on COD 4 and 5 and this jaw-dropping looking game....I mean it looks good, but its not all that up close.

[redsnake]

none of you people are deveolpers or experts. you dont know whether its due to the engine or anything else. just because games have better graphics doesnt mean they are more likely to max a console out that i know. IW are devolpers and they say have all but maxed out the 360 so I and none of you have no factual evidence or reason to beleive that is not true

[360_Rules]

Yeah and Crysis 2 is going to push the PS3 to the Max since it lack of Ram and aging GPU.

[ArcticWolfUK]

xbox is a beasty console..

[dogmeat eater]

1st party titles are always much better.

[jack who]

same thing has been said since day 1

[kws1065]

IW has no confidence to push the limit of PS3, and I understand.

I don't think they can do better than KZ2, while Uncharted 2 is waiting (of course in graphic category).

[DJ]

It still looks like nothing compared to the likes of Killzone 2. =/

[cookieliaokai]

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[deshon09]

it took them 8 years to max out the ps2 and it is still going strong i dont buy that bs form iw or Crytek is saying

[Xtremist]

MW is BY FAR the best fps of this generation and i m glad to hear that they r streaming textures now.
So not only we will have high-res textures everywhere but also much biger maps than MW1.
I saw their presentation and i believe what they said for maxing out the hardware. It Was simply the most impressive stuff i have seen in fps games.
After all Xenos will be 4 years old when MW2 comes out, so what most natural than maxing out some fixed-hardware 4 years after its release.