inFAMOUS Only Possible on the PS3 According To Sucker Punch Employee

The Gamer Access just got done watching "The Tech Behind inFAMOUS" from GiantBomb.com. While watching the video, one of the Sucker Punch employees claimed that "PS3 is really the only place we could have made this". Many of us have played the demo and have seen what inFAMOUS has to offer. Do you think that this is just something said to praise the PS3, or could it possibly be the truth? We don't know but be sure to leave a comment with your thoughts.

[lord_of_balrogs]

He works with Sony, of course he's going to glamourize his game over the competition. I mean c'mon Infamous looks great but the 360 could handle a game like it as well.

[DNAgent]

Well, any game can be done on any console as long as it's watered down and tons of stuff are stripped from the game that would've been in the original product. I mean just look at FF13. It wouldn't be possible on 360 unless they toned down a ton of stuff and that's what they are doing. This is why you see the new Crysis engine for consoles. It doesn't look as good as the engine for PC. Crysis can be done on consoles but it won't be as good as the PC version.

[DrWan]

The Xbox 360 probably
can do Infamous, of course it won't be the same, since all the codes are written specifically for the PS3. But if they try, they can probably make a working game, but they may have to cut certain things or try to make things fit here and there (i.e. take a way few details, u may see a few more pop ins, some low res texture that may not be as noticeable).

They can, but will it happen? Well, no because Sony funds all their project and owns the IP. Sony owns IP to Sly and Infamous. Just like when Sony bought Naughty Dog; since Universal funded Crash, they retained the IP. So u will never see Infamous on other console; if it rolls bigger and bigger. Infamous can be really big, we are now creating basically a whole different Universe (ala DC/Marvel) we can keep on adding superheros and they can interact with Cole in the future, think about the possibilities. Let alone Movies, Comic Books

[GUNS N SWORDS]

hmmmmmm, it's still approval worthy but still every company says this.

Metroid Prime is only possible on the wii.
gears of war is only possible on the 360.
kill zone2 is only possible on the ps3.

i say they should say "only playable on....."

that's my opinion, it's good cause it doesn't discourage other developers from coming up with something new.

[raztad]

@GUNS

x360 is yet to run a game technically comparable to KZ2, so unless someone pull that game out, KZ2 only can be done on the PS3.

I cant say anything about inFAMOUS, I know it looks good, but havent played it yet.

EDIT:

@chisnick

Im not skeptic, I just want to see this baby running in my 1080p Samsung tv, before to draw a solid conclusion about the subject.

[TheExecutive]

I dont see anything in inFAMOUS that the 360 cannot do. One thing. The marketing strategy for Sony is getting tiresome to say the least.

Bring on the disagrees.

[lokiroo420]

For one you would have to swap discs as you move around the city, no way it would be on 1 dvd.

[chrisnick]

look at the technology vid for infamous on ign, they clearly state the vast amount of things the cell handles all at once so its pretty simple. cell is only in ps3 thus it can only be done on ps3, the end. stripping things on the game to make it fit on something smaller doesn't make it the same game at all.

[heroicjanitor]

I never even thought about that, it's a great idea maybe some form of dlc will add a different superhero, that would be cool, bubbles:)

[7ero H3LL]

lol, it's only possible on ps3.....yet i can't find a pic that looks beyond 360's power........go ahead, pic one.

http://media.ps3.ign.com/me...

well anyways IGN gave it a nice score and was at least honest about it's graphics.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles...

vs gears2.

http://xbox360.ign.com/arti...

i'm sorry but this is just nothing more than a flame war publicity stunt.

[cayal]

@ above

What you fail to realise is that the graphics score of Gears 2 is compared against the graphics of other xbox 360 games, it has nothing nor does it have a comparison to any PS3 game.

Also why do you assume it is the graphics that cannot be done?

[Bathyj]

Its not all about graphics you know. It could mean the size of the city, the AI, amount of traffic, buildings or rubbish blowing in the wind. All those details that made Killzone seem so alive and that were missing from Gears which made it seem so static.

Anyway I thought Xboxers didn't care about graphics anymore since it became apparent you'se lost that war.

[Microsoft Xbox 360]

Gears of War isn't worth mentioning as a graphical achievement anymore. It was an achievement in 2006 for consoles, but not so much now. PS3 exclusives literally stomp on that game.

EDIT: Gears of War 1 looks better than GeoW 2. Fact.

[Bnet343]

No surprise here. Just like Gears is only possible on Xbox 360 because of RAM. Every company says this, nothing new.

[7ero H3LL]

infamous graphics were beaten 6 months ago.

where 8 to 10 people would disagree 4,000,000 would agree.

"Gears of War isn't worth mentioning as a graphical achievement anymore. It was an achievement in 2006 for consoles, but not so much now. PS3 exclusives literally stomp on that game."

it's gears 2 and alright then mass effect 2.....who give sh1t.....kids that's who.

edit,

.....and what's with the title "Microsoft Xbox 360" with the 360 controller as your avatar, you confused or something?

edit 2......lol.

you want to know what a fact is (SONY PLAYSTATION 3)

http://www.gamersyde.com/le...

that's a fact.

[jwatt]

I'm positive It's not the graphics but more on the processor side, with objects having their own light sources. I honestly believe, like what some devs have stated that the 360 and ps3 are both pretty close in terms of performence. It's just that the 360 has a slightly better gpu and the ps3 has a better cpu. When they say it can only be done on the ps3 they're talking about the processing side. That's why I personally think there are some things the ps3 cant do that the 360 can and some things the 360 can't do that the ps3 can but the differnce is not huge.

[7ero H3LL]

lol N4G, ps3 gamers live in it.

that's why killzone2 isn't selling well.

cause A, ps3 gamers are to busy bickering and B, hardly any gamer wants to game with or against fanboys like you losers.

[Insomnia_84]

there's still a racer to beat GT5:P graphically, they said it was going to be Race Pro...what happened???? o.0

[ZuperAmazingCooKie]

Prototype will show you what limitations the developers have to run into in order to deliver a sandbox game on DVD9. Hell, see GTA4 or any other open world game, be it multiplatform or 360 exclusive, that runs from a DVD9.

[50CALheadshot]

this is a phuckin lie!!!

everyone knows the cell cant render next gen graphics!!!/sarcasm.

Infamous will be the game that will inspire R* to give sony a gta exclusive.

gt5p
rnc
uncharted
heavenly sword
killzone2
mgs4
lbp
warhawk
resistance 2
are just a taste of what the cell can do. Cell processing combined withe the brd storage turned out to be a phenomenal move, contrary to what the media wanted to force feed the public.

The best is yet to come, with games like gow3, gt5,uncharted2 on the horizon. Sony's exclusive games are meant to raise the technical achievement bar in the console arena. It seems that with each exclusive thats released, they gain more momentum.

To think, this is only the 3rd year and uncharted looks the way it does.

[Lifendz]

till sites like thebitbag and podcasts like the warzone start attempting to dispute this even though no one on those sites or podcasts has ever made a game.

[Timesplitter14]

I'm pretty sure it can be done on the X360. The graphics are average/good, 8/10 worthy

And before you ask, no, I don't have an X360. No, I don't kill little kitties and I don't eat babies for breakfast. I'm just a normal PS3 guy.

You guys must learn how to manage your fanboyism because it's getting embarassing.

[SnuggleBandit]

even now, but especially as the years go by, people are going to be out of their effin minds if they don't own a ps3! and i'm talking about people who are true gamers anyways. there are just too many good games on the ps3 and i have yet to hear one valid, logical arguement to say why the ps3 is not worth buying. In the long run, it is cheaper than the xbox 360!

[Timesplitter14]

Well sorry sir but Prototype isn't out yet so I can't play it

[Timesplitter14]

Damnit why must everyone be in the extremes? We either have butthurt X360 fanboys or brainwashed PS3 fanboys. Is it really THAT hard to just look at those articles objectively and say : "Well considering the graphics are good, but nothing revolutionary, I think it can be done on the X360 too."? And you, why do you need to bring this retarded "lol PS3 iz a movie player lol" crap?

Man, I gotta go study for my finals. I'll worry about people being wrong on the internets later.

[MNicholas]

Best looking FPS: KZ2 (PS3)
Best looking 3rd person shooter: Uncharted (PS3)
Best looking Racing game: GT5 Prologue (PS3)
Best looking sandbox game: Infamous (PS3)
Best looking platformer: R&C or LBP (PS3)
Best looking sports game: MLB Show (PS3)

It's pretty obvious by now that the PS3 has quite a bit more performance headroom than the 360. The reality is that the 360 maxed out about a year ago. While the 360 GPU is in the same ballpark as the PS3's in terms of overall performance, the Cell processor enables the PS3's GPU to be far more effective.

For example, GT5 Prologue displays twice as many cars as PGR4, each with twice as much detail, at twice the frame rate and 50% higher resolution. Thats an absolutely enormous performance differential.

Alternatively, just compare Infamous and GTAIV. Infamous has better textures, better lighting, better character models, it's got much more dynamic environments, etc... Infamous is simply a much more advanced game than GTAIV.

However, Killzone 2 is still the standard bearer for game performance. Not only are the graphics breath-taking, but the dynamic object physics and dynamic lighting are simply unmatched.

[shadow2797]

When it comes to visuals, ya the 360 can do it. My knee-jerk reaction was to scoff at that being said about inFamous. But when you start to think about it, maybe he's right.

Every single ledge, pole, etc. in the large city is grab-able and climb-able, while still maintaining it's visuals (which, to my knowledge, are the best seen in an open world game), and keeping track of all the mayhem that happens on screen. Plus the entire game is completely streaming.

inFamous is a larger technological feat than most of you are making it out to be. Simply making a judgment based on screen-shots isn't doing this game justice.

That said, I'm still not sure if it can or can't be done on 360, but I think the game deserves more credit for what it is able to do.

[Ju]

I like the comparison with GTA4. I play the inFamous demo for a while now, and while I think it captures the GTA4 atmosphere, its just a GTA on steroids (without the driving, except you would count "surfing" on the rooftop of a car as driving). Just count the billboards. All fully animated, the particle effects are pretty crazy. And the lightning is great. It comes with a price. And that has been said before, that is occasional pop ins and the AA could be better, though (but the later also makes extra sharp details in the city like wires and such). I still get the feeling this is GTA4 as an action game. I was surprised that it has a pretty fast paced gameplay...from a distance, and on screen shots, those two games might look the same. But only until you play them...

[ShabzS]

every first party studio developer of sony says this statement after a demo release .... this is like clock work ...

[themyk]

it's so annoying when 30 people all reply to the first post. WTF. NB4 u just did it. yes i know i just did it i'm just making a point. it sux.

[7ero H3LL]

lol, it's far ahead of 360.

show proof.

edit to below, assassins creed didn't need it, and when i installed it i saw nothing that made it change, only the short loading time is what i saw.

[aaron5829]

Of course it can be done on 360, but it will seriously need an install option.

because an open world game without installs... expect pop ins..

*cough* GTA4 *cough*

[RememberThe357]

It's like when the red faction dev said he pushed the 360 to it's limits. He didn't necessarily mean graphically, the physics and destruction in that game are amazing.

The same is probably true for Infamous. Beyond how great the game looks, there is probably a ton of things going on in the background that they think are only possible on the PS3 due to how the Cell is set up.

The dev said what he said, and he meant it. Stop getting butt hurt about everything...

[jammy_70]

think about it.. his can be done on 360.... K2? no but this YES!!!

[redsquad]

Oh, I 'justified' my console purchase long ago chum, with excellent performance and great games. I'm afraid you're attempt at bitter satire won't alter that fact one jot.

I thank you.

[All-3]

According to ex-Bungie developer; Christian Allen, Killzone 2 could "totally be done" on the 360 if Guerrilla wanted to."

"The tech is there, if the team and the publishers were motivated, they could do it, just like Halo could come to PS3 if MS didn’t own it. It really comes down to console exclusivity. The tech differences between the PS3 and the 360 aren’t all that much; it’s really about the delivery of content."

http://www.destructoid.com/...

Everyone else posting in this thread is also game developer - right?

[Microsoft Xbox 360]

Talk is cheap. We have yet to see Bungie or any company that man is in currently, produce a game looking like K2.

"The tech is there, if the team and the publishers were motivated, they could do it, just like Halo could come to PS3 if MS didn’t own it"

Of course Halo 3 can be ported if it wasn't owned by MS. That game is not even HD for crying out loud and it looks like an enhanced version of Halo 2. But K2 on the other hand is a technical masterpiece, something we have yet to see on the 360's hardware. Maybe soon, maybe never.

[otherZinc]

every time an idiot says that "said game" under-performs at retail.

Infamous will sell less than 150k first month. That can only be done on the PS3 for a big title. The 360 would be well above that.

So they're correct.

[LONEWOLF231]

lokiroo420

You sir are wrong!

We have yet to see how big the world is BUT i doubt it will be bigger than GTA's or Saints and if the 360 can run both of those i dont see why it wont run this one. The only thing i cant see the 360 pulling off in the game would be the physics i mean it might pull them off but not as good.

[Marceles]

I can't believe you're comparing a sandbox open world game to a 3rd person shooter with only 5 characters on screen at once. If Infamous was a straight forward shooter with only a few characters like Gears, imagine how much better the game would look since the system would have so many unused resources that aren't focused on creating a living breathing city. They can increase polygon count, texture detail, and effects easily. If Gears was a sandbox game with the same level of detail it has now, but with as many things that go on in inFamous, the 360 would blow up.

[cayal]

"lol N4G, ps3 gamers live in it.

that's why killzone2 isn't selling well.

cause A, ps3 gamers are to busy bickering and B, hardly any gamer wants to game with or against fanboys like you losers. "

So what are you doing here? 360 RROD'd or you just got nothing to play?

[Jinxstar]

I feel like 90% of you are looking at graphics and not size, scale, number of objects moving at once and sound. You can't have an open world game with more then 1 disc. Period. This game probably fills half the BR. Graphics or not there is a lot more information on that disc then what you all probably think. Hence one of the big reasons it's only possible on the PS3.

@ lone wolf. Look at the textures and things from GTA then look at teh textures of infamous. There is a HUGE difference. It may not be as big but close enough while looking as good as it does...

[theEnemy]

that 360 is at it's limits. Hardware and Developer wise.

But on the PS3, it's a different story.

[Tiberium]

yeah seriously, "only possible on (insert system here)" is just a developer line. I mean come on all games are made by PCs so obviously it's possible on a PC.

[lokiroo420]

@lonewolf

well in gta the entire city is static, where as infamous has a fully interactive atmosphere, that takes up space on the disc, no way in hell 7 gigs is enough.

[BlackCountryBob]

Perhaps it is more a case of only working on the PS3 and with Sony were we able to spend 4 years making the game, if we were multiplatform we would have been forced to do twice the work in half the time and release an inferior product because we could not give the same degree of attention to detail. Nothing to do with the xbox at all!

[Jake1111]

Infamous CANT be done on the 360 is the point.

Therefore the statement is "Infamous in its CURRENT state cant be done on the 360"

Sure you can dumb it down but then it ISNT Infamous!

So their statement is correct.

A go cart isnt a delorian no matter how much you can shape it to look like one. Its the COMPLETE package that makes it a Delorian.

See my point???

[FamilyGuy]

They mean how lively and vast the city is.
So many other characters on screen to interact with, moving cars and destructibility.

The city is huge and you can hop roof top to roof top all over and drop to the ground or look down to the ground at any time and see life going on below you. The draw distance is amazing (demo impression), you can see out of range enemies lurking, get closer and they start shooting at you or stay at that distance and through some grenades at a really high arc to reach them.

They could also just as easily be referring to the size of blu-ray disc giving them more options.

[brandonk129]

that get so many degrees because the xbots run over here to start a fight saying NO IT CAN BE DONE ON XBOX THEYRE LIEING. get over it xbox fans, your system is inferior and CANNOT run inFAMOUS. end of story

[sonarus]

Published by sony so yea its only possible on PS3

[Mizz_mai]

microsoft published ninja gaiden 2 and look what happened hahahahahahaha

[Jeff257]

Why do people assume that he was talking down to the 360 when he mentiones this game could only be done on the PS3? Remember folks that last gen they only worked on the PS2. To me I get the feeling they are talking more about how the PS3 allows them to do things the PS2 never did and never could do. They are stepping into this gen for the first time with Infamous. But because they could focus on just the PS3 they could optimize their graphics engine and game assets to use the Cell and SPUs the way they are intended.

[aldesko]

Nothing new here... Nate Fox said this like 2 years ago. And I think he said it's mainly because of blu-ray.

[HardcoreGamer19]

Gears of war 2 is only possible on the 360

[dericb11]

Sadly this is false. The Unreal Engine can run of PC(The Best Version), Xbox 360 and PS3(Unreal Tournament 3 is Prove). It is a 360 Exclusive if you want some credit.

[HardcoreGamer19]

"Sadly this is false. The Unreal Engine can run of PC(The Best Version), Xbox 360 and PS3(Unreal Tournament 3 is Prove). It is a 360 Exclusive if you want some credit."

Keep dreaming!........I cancel my pre-order after playing the infamous demo because it plays and looks like a multiplatform game called the incredible hulk. So I know this is possible on the PS3, Wii and 360.

[raztad]

Hardcore, you mixed up the games. The one you are referring to is Prototype. Seriously, inFAMOUS and Hulk are totally different games.

[Flipfito]

w/e is possible on 360 its Def' possible on ps3 your just coming up with things to say which doesnt make sense and just trying to get bak at the tittle of the article

[heroicjanitor]

They have used the exact same engine on the ps3 multiple times, so why couldn't it do it? Like the guy above me said I think you meant prototype so if you are going to start pretending you don't like it without trying it at least pick the same faults as your fanboy brethren.

[ZuperAmazingCooKie]

And it eclipses Gears in every possible metric. Lighting, polygon count, textures, detail, physics, explotions, AI, effects, enemies on screen. Seriously, Gears is no match for Uncharted. I wonder what Uncharted 2 will look and play like, not to mention its online modes.

[Nathan123]

'Gears of war 2 is only possible on the 360'- Ya right.... PS3 can run The best looking console game- Killzone 2 only using 60% power (fact) and can't run Gears 2 which by the way is inferior in terms of graphics to KZ2.... Fanboys sure are dumb.

[BYE]

Graphical comparison:

Uncharted -> Gears 2
Metal Gear Solid 4 -> Gears 2
Heavenly Sword -> Gears 2
Killzone 2 -> Gears 2
Resistance 2 -> Gears 2
Ratchet & Clank -> Gears 2

[MNicholas]

It's the poster child for games designed around hardware limitations. There's a gamespot comparison of the same locations in Gears 1 and 2 and it's amply visible where they cut back on geometry and draw-distance in order to squeeze in a few new visual tricks.

For example chests of drawers that were smoothly curved and ornate in Gears 1 had been replaced by simple boxes with simple textures in Gears 2. Buildings too were similarly simplified and draw-distance, never a strong point in Gears 1, was also cut back in Gears 2. Where possible, distance scenes were replaced with prerendered images.

The reality is that in terms of visual fidelity, the 360 has maxed out. The reason is that the entire graphical potential of the 360 is dependent solely on the GPU. If the PS3 was limited in that way, games like GT5, Killzone 2, and Uncharted wouldn't be possible. Those games use the Cell processor to, in essence, double the capacity of the GPU. Here's an analogy that should make sense to most of you.

If take two cars with roughly the same specs and race them from 0-60 the winner would be more dependent on driver skill than performance differences. Now, if you take one of those cars and put it on a downward slope then despite the fact that it has roughly the same specs as the car that's on a flat surface, the one going down the slope would accelerate from 0-60 much faster. That's what the Cell processor does. When the Cell processor is properly utilized it's like the PS3's GPU is accelerating downhill whereas the Xbox360's GPU is on a flat track and due to the lack of bandwidth between the CPU and GPU as well as the lack of raw processing power in the 360's CPU there's nothing that developers can do to improve on that. They can make "artisitic" compromises like in Gears 2 but that's about it.

That's why GT5 Prologue so massively outperforms the best looking racing game on the 360. Twice as many cars, each with twice as much detail, at higher resolution, and twice the frame rate. Check out insidedigitalfoundry.com/blog for a frame-rate analysis showing GT5 Prologue maintain a near perfect 60fps in the incredibly detailed and beautifully lit London track.

[dericb11]

People may disagree but truth is the game was built to run on the PS3 only. Seeing as it is the game is made for and only possible on the PS3.

Not to jab at 360 fans but its a exclusive and should make use of the unique features of the PS3.

[DJ]

When pretty much every PS3 developer (even some multiplatform ones) have nothing but praise for the hardware's capabilities. Again, they're not talking smack about the 360. It's just important to know that Sony made hardware that is much more powerful, and that these are the kinds of games you can make with that power.

[DrWan]

Sony has basically created a new Universe, comparable to that of DC and Marvel.

Setting: Empire City, Present Day

This game already has at least one super hero (Cole) and like 4 bosses (Super Villains).

In the next game, say they create another super hero and let's just say he uses Wood as a weapon (sort of like that Naruto Character, Yamato ) And let's say that the game takes place a few years later; he comes out and then does what he does, and if the game takes the "Good" ending, Cole will be either fighting Against you or With you depending on what you decided to become (Hero vs Villain) in Infamous 2. They can just keep on making sequels in this universe and it will totally become a really cool world. (Maybe later on these game charcters even decided to band together and form a new group ala X men).

I don't know, this is endless; they can even make movies and comic books to introduce new characters later used in games in one way or another.

[raztad]

bubles for your comment.

I didnt realize that until now. Cole is already in place (as a superhero) and SP nailed the mechanics of the game, so I guess they can create a whole universe of heros/antiheros. Sounds exciting.

[N4G360]

LMFAO
There's a typo "inFAMOUS Only Possible on the PS3"
It should be "inFAMOUS Only Possible on the PS"

[xyz189]

Judging by your username I would be surprised if you DIDN'T say that...

On Topic: Infamous is looking to be a great game. This is definitely a purchase from me.

[aaron5829]

I guess you'd be surprised if he had said something that's decent with a bubble..

:P

[ballsofsteel]

maybe obviously he's biased but we've yet to see an open world game that is as amazing as infamous is on a technical level. GTA4 has some clear technical flaw and when comparing to prototype just doesn't have the visual fidelity that infamous i'm not saying PS3 is more powerful or anything but we've yet to see a single game on 360 get close to KZ2 or infamous in terms of technical acheivments. people say alan wake but we've seen nothing about it on 360. whether the 360 can match PS3 is irrelevant so far MS has no games that really compete with KZ2 or imfamous

[dericb11]

Preach. Its funny but what if GTA4 was a PS3 exclusive it may have looked like this. I understand the 360 players loving the system but looking at the PS3 they shouldn't hate as much.

[360isgreat]

Every major 360 exclusive has been a disaster or maybe its just the community that exploits everything possible..

Frankly if you want the truth any game can be done on any console. You have to sacrifice but saying it just cant be done is rather incorrect.

At the same point after all the swipes M$ took at sony I say its fair game at this point for Sony to do whatever.. Microsoft brought that on themselves.. So with that being said:

DVD9 sucks
No wifi sucks
No hdmi sucks
No standard hard drive sucks
over charging for upgrade hard drive sucks
controller batteries suck
stupid powder coating sucks
gears sucks (mainly because it was exploited - communitys fault or rushing the game out you decide) either way it sucks
halo 3 sucked big time at least it had replay so you can watch how much it sucks
disc scratching sucks
Sounding like a space ship taking off sucks
New interface sucks
Online is laggy and sucks
59.99 49.99 even 19.99 to play games monthly sucks

So if you wanted to make infamous on the 360 you would have to deal with all that suckage.

[nightelfmohawk]

Well said.

[Shadow Man]

you forgot RROD and piracy. And with all that XBOX360 STILL MANAGES TO OUTSELL the ps3 in North America and Europe.

[Insomnia_84]

maaan I don't know what to think, that comment just doesn't match your name lol but yeah

@shadowman

yeah, not many people know about hardware, a lot of them just go out looking for the cheapest thing mostly parents, do you know how many kids asked for a PS3 in xmas and got a 360 instead? I know there's A LOT. I remember a few kids posting that on the PS Blog and other forums lol

btw remember how the PS3 outsold the 360 during the whole 2008 until Microsoft came with the price cut? ;]

[Astral Freaks]

RROD Sucks

[redsquad]

You seem to be saying that with some pride.

[ptotoy]

RRoD aka E74

played the demo. inFAMOUS looks miles better than GTA4. i wonder why it is getting lower scores in the graphics department.. yeah, because it's a ps3 exclusive

@saleswhore
the wii has been outselling the crapbox for years. what does that mean? the wii is the better cosole???

[tawak]

xbots sucks

[KoB4EMvPi]

Any game that is a PS3 exclusive should only be possible on PS3.
It will be a failure if it didnt use the PS3s power to its fullest.

[spunnups]

No, your avatar is a complete failure

[Kamikaze135]

inFAMOUS is the best looking sandbox game out in terms of visuals. Also, throwing a bunch of cars around, having enemies shoot hails of bullets at you while you're unleashing your electric powers and running or climbing all at the same time without ANY framerate dips or freezing issues probably requires a decent amount of processing power. The 360 COULD handle inFAMOUS....if it were watered down. Just like the Wii could handle a watered down version of MGS4.

[Jeff257]

Its because devs like SP who choose to concentrate on one platform can milk the Ps3 for all its worth. They take the time to see what its capable of and use the Cell and SPUs so that more things can be running at once in game The PS3s unique architecture that so many people complained about at first is finally starting to show what its capapble of because of SP, Insomniac and many other great devs out there who are putting in the time to make the games they want.

[Ju]

Oh, you hit the nail on the head right there. I was just running down one street in the demo throwing lightning grenades at the cars parked at the street. No hick up, no slow down. Nothing. But the hell breaks loose on screen when you do that.

[Morbid Bulldozer]

Without any framerate dips? The reviewers disagree.

[Ju]

I just can comment what I see with my own eyes playing the game (demo in that case) with my own hands. And no, no frame rate drop.

[MriownBOTH]

i have played the demo. its possible.kinda has a crackdown feel but with uncharted aiming, but i do recommend buying its its really fun HEAD SHOCK!!!

[Nick212004]

I personally feel inFAMOUS could be done on the Xbox 360 because the graphics are impressive, but nothing that the 360 would not be able to handle after seeing Gears of War 2 and Resident Evil 5, even though it is multiplatform.

[Kamikaze135]

But neither of those games had as much going on at the same time as inFAMOUS has all at once. They're probably referring to the processing power, not the graphics.

[Ju]

Why's GeoW coming up here ? Well, I gotta admit, I haven't played "2", but unless its 3x better then "1" which I play on my PC on 1920x1200 with high settings, I can't see how that can compete. There is nothing going on in that game. Nice walking on a "painted" background, with 15 guys, and that's about it. Its not even open world by any means, and if you really want to bring it up, there is another shooter out which dwarfs that already...R5, well, don't know. Only played the demo, which looked pretty, but isn't my game (not open world either), so that leaves GTA4, and it beats that, for sure.

[jack who]

Prototype

[themyk]

prototype what?

prototype is going to be a fun game? yes your right. whats your point.

[jack who]

than you just proved sucker punch wrong. thank ya

[iDystopia]

haha

[swiftshot93]

With Assassin's Creed 2 being the best looking open-world game of all time, I think inFAMOUS could be done on the 360. However, inFAMOUS has the most action going on screen for an open-world game, and I remember hearing that they were using the CELL for a lot of the stuff going on. In that regard we dont know how the 360 would run with the streaming the world itself etc... the 360 may need a new engine altogether.

[Kamikaze135]

Screen shots are one thing, but the actual game is another. I doubt it'll be nearly as open ended as GTA IV or Prototype.

[aldesko]

Plus AC2 may look better than infamous since it doesn't have to do so much under the hood like all the crazy physics.

[themyk]

nobody is saying the 360 couldn't handle the graphix on infamous. i think they are saying it might not have the processing power to handle the graphix and everything else going on. i think we all know the 360 can pull off the graphix.

ahhhhhh what ever who cares kind of a stupid thing to be cherping about anyways.

cherp cherp

[ElementX]

Well I'm glad I have the console with the best exclusives and technology.

/sigh of relief.

Playing Sacred 2 now, BTW. IT's decent, fills the hack-and-slash void this generation.

[Shadow Man]

What the hell does he know? He has never done work for xbox360.

@ BELOW ok, Ubisoft said that Naruto was only possible on xbox360 heck it most be true since ubisoft also work for ps3.

[aldesko]

Sucker Punch isn't a first-party studio, so he's not a Sony employee. And a lot of the people at SP worked for Microsoft and have friends who still work there (SP is based out of Seattle)... so I'm sure there are some devs there who have a grasp on the 360's hardware.

Besides, I think he's mainly talking about blu-ray.

EDIT: Did Ubisoft say how it was only possible on 360? Nate Fox specifically said they needed all the storage space that blu-ray provided. I'm not saying trust developers who work on exclusive games, but at least Nate gave a legitimate reason.

[Man_of_the_year]

Blu-ray is a storage device. DVD9 or Blu-ray make no difference in the coding of the game. If the game was SOOOOO big and over 7 gigs so that it cannot fit on a DVD9 then the game could have been done on multiple discs.

Its the hardware that determines if a game can run on it or not, not the storage device. So to say Infamous can only be done on the PS3 because of Blu-ray is completely false and a lie. But he is making an exclusive for SONY and i think on the agreement form from Sony you have to give FALSE and BS information to confuse young impressionable minds to convert them to join the SDF.

[Iceman100]

yeah right same stupid 3d games same repetitive fighting what's impossible about that, and the game can be made on any systems that's capable of 3d basically.

"One system would be a very bad idea. Devs would just get lazy then and start making a bunch of shovelware until people got fed up and then we would see another video game crash."

what are you talking about were pretty much already there why do you think more people are buying hand helds? It's because their sick of seeing the same game over and over like me.

[Father Murder X]

Here we go again!!!

[Bill Gates]

360 is GARBAGE....AAHAHHAHAHAHA

[-MD-]

Baboons again? Sheesh.

[Timesplitter14]

I'm pretty damn sure it's also possible on the X360 without watering it down. And sadly, people will think I'm an X360 fanboy because I said that.

[FolsomBluez]

Could someone explain a little more about the game. From the trailers and in game videos I don't see what the big deal is. The game looks kind of boring. Throwing cars, shocking people, climbing buildings, wow. When does the demo come out, maybe it's something that needs to be played, so I'll reserve any further judgement until then. But just based on the trailers Prototype looks to be more my style, but everyones hype of inFamous does have me curious.

[aldesko]

Dude, did you just say "throwing cars, shocking people, and climbing buildings" is BORING?!? =P

EDIT @ below: Well, it is.. if you play infamous and don't have at least a little fun, you have a stick up your butt and should probably give up on gaming. I'm not saying go out and buy it, but you should definitely give it a rent sometime if you get the chance.

[Timesplitter14]

Actually, it doesn't look that much fun in the videos

[josephat84]

Coming from a ps3 lover, of course infamous could be on the 360. GTA 4 is much bigger than infamous and the 360 did that. BTW, I loved the Infamous demo and will be buying it at midnight launch.

[Ju]

How is GTA4 bigger ? Well, yeah, it might have a bigger map (is it really?) and you can fly and drive. But the physics (incl. particles) and lightning in inFamous is way beyond what GTA4 does.

[gnothe1]

this is why all the PS3 big games fail, you guys hype everything exclusive like its no tomorrow!! infamous looks good, after watching a few videos it has peaked my interest an I think I'm gonna pick it up, but lately every time somebody mentions a 360 game you guys bring up infamous ,MAG an other games. neither of these games are gonna be huge titles, there gonna sell decent have a small fallowing as they disappear into the abyss like the rest of the so called PS3 heavy hitters!! would you guys please stop making these games out to be bigger than what they are, because once they don't sell well then you guys get all defensive an start claiming that sales don't matter, but at the same time your quick to claim the PS2 sold 140 million!! sales only matter when their in your favor!! look at KZ2, before that game released all you guys ever talked about was KZ2,N4G was flooded EVERYDAY with 3-5 KZ2 articles.now here we are 3 months later an the only people talking about that game is the PS3 faithfuls.if KZ2 wasn't exclusive people really wouldn't have been talking about it.so please do us all a favor an stop hyping these games.your doing more harm to Sony than good!!

[aldesko]

infamous isn't getting enough hype IMO... not until we see a Mountain Dew flavor.

Maybe "Electric Blue"? =P

And only than a handful of games sell like Halo3/Gears/GT.. saying a game sinks into the abyss if it doesn't sell over 6 million copies is stupid. Even the first Resistance has an active community.

[Henry Cain]

If KZ2 was multiplat then everybody would be talking about it even you. Its because its on the PS3 that your hating on it so don't front. Give props when its do. I love playing KZ2 but, love playing Gears as well. KZ2 is a great game but since its not on 360 you talking $h!t. Oh and the reason you don't hear people on here talking about KZ2 anymore is because we're to busy playing it.

[Ju]

There's no need to talk about KZ2 anymore. Who ever plays it (plays, not played) knows, all is said and done.

[GarandShooter]

'this is why all the PS3 big games fail, you guys hype everything exclusive like its no tomorrow!!'

And how exactly does that affect the real world, the one beyond the internet and fanboys?

[SSCOOLCHEA]

infamous can be done on the xbot350 . if you want a fkn compressed stickman with 2 explosives. the explosive can't go off at the same time either

[CobraKai]

I have not played the game yet, I don't wanna be spoiled, maybe what is not possible on 360 isn't so much the character models and effects, but the size and scope of the city coupled with climb anywhere gameplay. Keep in mind I said MAYBE.

[SonyRulz]

From a legality standpoint, sure....I think it's safe to say it couldn't happen. From a technical standpoint....well....Crackdow n, GTA4, and Spider-man: Web of Shadows say otherwise. There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about this game, that showcases the PS3 hardware....NOTHING. Killzone 2 does that to some degree....maybe MGS4. But this is just stupid BS coming from a dev, that ultimately makes them look like a biased idiot. The same was said about LAIR....and even HAZE....and we all know how that backfired on them.
Ultimately, I blame SONY. If they'd get behind their games, and market them properly, devs wouldn't feel the need to try and hype their games.

[aldesko]

"Spider-man: Web of Shadows say otherwise"

LOLOL

@ below: You said from a technical standpoint, Spiderman: Web of Shadows says hi, which is crazy talk. All those games you listed play like open-world games. Crackdown is my fav 360 game, but if you took the "combat" from it and put it in a linear game it would fail horribly. Same goes with GTA4 and spider-man. So none of those games "say otherwise" since they can't touch infamous from a gameplay perspective.

Nate said infamous can only run on PS3 because of blu-ray. I think people overreact when they talk about how dvd holds games back, but if they were to port infamous to 360, they would have to take out a bunch of stuff since there are no levels in the game, so disc swapping wouldn't be a good solution.

You can't honestly think Web of Shadows "says hi" to infamous...

*checks comment history*

oh....

[SonyRulz]

..but that pic only helps prove my point. SM:WOS was multiplatform game...ported to the 360/PS3 from the PS2 and Wii....yet it had a huge, lively city, nice physics, great explosions and other effects (the Electro/Electro symbiote effects were identical to the electrical effects in Infamous), and the main character moved about the city in a similar manner to that of Infamous.

[-EvoAnubis-]

You talk too much. Fortunately, we can do something about that.

[GarandShooter]

'But this is just stupid BS coming from a dev, that ultimately makes them look like a biased idiot.'

Biased idiot...hmmm...then you have something in common.

[JHUX]

Ever notice how every exclusive can only be done on "console name here". Of course you noticed, you would be blind if you didn't. That is all I got, not to meaningful to the subject sorry.

[josephat84]

He's right. But after playing the demo man, just wanted to let you know that it was a lot of fun. If you liked crackdown, then you'll love infamous.

[Gamerbee]

Get over it fanboys. PS3 is superior. Sony is Superior. Microsoft make millions. & they cant come out with a console that actually works. A computer software that actually works. Infamous ftw!!

[-MD-]

I disagree :)

[-EvoAnubis-]

You guys keep going on about the graphics, but if you actually pay attention to the context in which he said it (I know, involves pulling your head out of your ass; not easy), you'll realize that he's talking about the processing. Namely the AI, light sources, climbable objects, and physics all being done on the fly via the Cell and STILL being able to do more with it.

[aldesko]

Not to mention blu-ray.. he said in '07 that they needed the storage space and playing the demo, you can see why. The city is really detailed and there's A LOT going on under the hood, like you said.

[-MD-]

Every single time a PS3 exclusive comes out "it can only be done on PS3" how pointless is that phrase now? Let me answer it for you, pretty pointless.

[themyk]

your right it is pretty pointless. because we all know it by now.

[Fatal Blow]

Damn dude calm your self down @gnothe1

u sound like a 360 fan boy crying like there's no 2moro

dont say your not because reading your post tell's all lol

anyway where there's great game's am playing them it's that simple even the wii

[devilhunterx]

PWNED!

[Henry Cain]

Any game can be made to play on any system but the question is how will look. KZ2 can play on the 360 but it won't look the same at all. The developers are figuring the specs of the PS3 out so you the multiplat games will start to look the same only because they don't want show up the other company. Example FF13 will be good but I think FF13vs will surpass it.

[OGharryjoysticks]

The way you program games on PS3 is different to 360 and with the way the game is programmed, I'm sure it would only work on PS3

[chidori666]

yeha.. like killzone 2 its oly possible in ps3, not in 360fixme

[-MD-]

360fixme doesn't even make sense 3fixme is what you're looking for idiot.

Killzone 2 is only possible on the ps3 because it's published by Sony. Halo 3 is only possible on Xbox 360 because it's published by Microsoft.

[xbollox]

"Killzone 2 is only possible on the ps3 because it's published by Sony."

nah: until someone comes up with a 360 game that looks, sounds and plays half as good as KZ2, i'm afraid you'll have to swallow it and admit that PS3 is the only console with the muscle to run KZ2.

"Halo 3 is only possible on Xbox 360 because it's published by Microsoft."

you got that part right.
you're not gonna ridicule yourself here telling us that PS3 couldn't run halo3, are you?

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAA HA HA HA HA!

[deadreckoning666]

I only have a PS3 and I agree that Killzone 2 can only be done on the PS3, but the INFAMOUS DEMO in my opinion looks like a multiplatform game. I don't mean to be an a-hole, but the person who said that it luks miles better than gta4 is crazy. The graphics take a huge dip in the second part of the demo. This is coming from a PS3 fanboy. Other than that he game is really fun.

[Claudinho69]

just look at Protype and compare it to INfamous, look how the developers already said they had to make the game smaller than what they planned on

[Ldubbz]

Why should I care what a dev that only works with one platform thinks? Its not like these guys have 360 dev kits to play with and compare.

Infamous is a good looking game, but its nothing revolutionary. To think that some of you actually say it looks better than RE5 or Gears 2 is just ridiculous. Either you have never played those games, or you're letting this whole console war crap get to your brain.

For those of you that think the 360 couldnt do this game...come again? If you havent seen the trailer for Lost Planet 2, I suggest you do so. Same for Prototype.

And those of you that pretend to actually understand the hardware of the 360/PS3, just stop it. You dont know jack. you dont program games, and you have no idea about the tech under the hood of these machines.

Just know that both are extremely powerful. Though the CELL gets a lot of attention for its exotic design, the 360's CPU is far from being a slouch. With three 3.2 GHZ powerPC (each capable of running two threads simultaneously) cores on one chip, thats a lot of bandwidth. The CELL only has one actual core, and seven SPE's, which are powerful, but not nearly robust as actual cores.

And there is no comparing the GPU's; without a doubt, the 360's GPU is a beast, and has features that cant even be included in regular GPU's today because of open hardware design inherent to PC's. With the 'closed' architecture of game systems, ATI and MS went to town on the Xenos GPU, including features such as a unified architecture and embedded RAM on the chip, giving the 360 "free" 2xFSAA, which is why PS3 games suffer from jaggies while 360 ones dont.

But it doesnt matter, because facts obviously mean nothing to crazy people.

[-EvoAnubis-]

There's probably a lot of things you don't get. Like respect, for example.

[Persistantthug]

PS3 exclusives look better than XBOX's exlcusives...PERIOD.

Why? The Cell processor coupled with the proper programming.

Thus far, The PS3 has IN FACT displayed a greater graphical performance than the XBOX 360....

There's nothing to argue, and I don't need a tech. degree to know that.

[Gun_Senshi]

blablabla trolling like always.

Resident Evil 5? Its graphics look good but not great, and the enviroment is pretty much DEAD. They could had used pre rendered photos,the enviroment is that static.

Gears of War 2? Yea right, first of all Gears of War 1 looks better.

[Morbid Bulldozer]

The replies to Ldubbz's comment are hilarious. Dude's trying to speak reason, backs his statements up and what do the PS3 fanboys have to say?
1. "You're dumb"
2. "Teh Cell! Teh Cell!"
3. "I can't read five sentences in a row. Here's a close-up from an X360 game, showing that nose-hair is not rendered properly"

Here's some fun facts, boys:
1. On IGN (which most PS3 fanboys call "most reliable and un-biased"), GTA4 scored better for graphics, and Assassin's Creed got the same grade as inFamous (8.5). Both mentioned games are on X360 - one disc, no installs. Yes, similar and better sandbox games are possible on the X360.
2. IGN reviewers mention "pop-in, repetitive environments, and framerate dips". What? With "teh Cell", Blu-Ray and no X360 version to "hold it back"? I guess PS3 is not that powerful after all.
3. Most of you fanboys won't even buy inFamous. I will. And I will enjoy the hell out of it, while you'll be busy crying that game XYZ is only possible on PS3, even if it doesn't do anything spectacular. Just like you did with every single PS3 exclusive, including Lair, Haze and probably Super Stardust (hey, some of you mentioned Warhawk, so why not?).

[GarandShooter]

'Why should I care what a dev that only works with one platform thinks? Its not like these guys have 360 dev kits to play with and compare.'

But they have PC's right? And the 360 has PC type architecture, right? And chances are when they were educated, they learned how to code for PC's right? You see where I'm going with this. Maybe they're just pumping up the PS3, maybe not, but you are in no position to invalidate their opinion.

[maxcer]

lol, way to grab textures that are far too close to the screen. im sure I could go and grab a few blurry pics of a wall in KZ2 as well, but who the h%ll would do that? oh wait that's you

[Ldubbz]

Like I said, you cant argue with crazy people. Thats what I have come to learn at N4G. Im just glad there are other people that appear to be sane around here.

I really suggest that many of you do take off those fanboi goggles, because youre truly missing a lot.

@Morbid

I try to use logic and reasoning around here, but no avail. I own all three systems, and I laugh at the statements I see posted here. People yell on and on about the CELL and yet have no idea how it works. BUt hey, according to "persianthug"....

"PS3 exclusives look better. PERIOD."

so there's no use in discussing.

And @evoAnubis, I thought you actually had a brain in there somewhere...yet you just resort to personal attacks. Its quite immature that so many of you take discussions about technology so personal.

I sincerely suggest you all read "The Race For A New Game Machine" by Dave Shippy, the main architect behind both of these processors. Perhaps that will help you.

And I didnt see any answer to the Lost Planet 2 question....curious...

EDIT: @ GunSenshi
Why say something so retarded? The Unreal Engine went through so many upgrades from Gears 1 to 2 that they dubbed it Unreal 3.5. Is Epic lying? Or are you still in denial that Gears 2 still sports some of the best graphics yet? And dont give me that "Unreal sucks!" crap. Look at Batman Arkham Asylum, look at Bioshock 2...hell, Sony is using it for "The Agency".

[Ju]

"im sure I could go and grab a few blurry pics of a wall in KZ2" Maybe, but that would take a while in KZ2 - i mean until you find the right wall. And you certainly won't get that from any character model.

[-EvoAnubis-]

Didn't you recognize the line from How High? Redman said it....well, I was paraphrasing since the entre line would quickly be modded.

Bottom line, it was late last night, I was drinking, and I was just f*cuking around. Couldn't help it; you gave me the perfect set-up line, and I had to do it - it was literally the first thing that popped into my head and it made me laugh.

[-EvoAnubis-]

So, here it is.

The 360 is basically a PC in a box that you can't upgrade. Is it seriously your contention that no one at Sucker Punch is perfectly aware of how to program for a PC?

As I said before, everyone keeps talking about graphics in this case, but graphics is not what they're talking about. They're talking about the climbing mechanic, namely the number of scalable objects (there's a reason that Alex Mercer simply runs up buildings), the physics, the lighting sources, the AI, and the other technical aspects of inFamous that the Cell does on the fly.

Assassin's Creed also had scalable objects, yes, but not as many as inFamous and inFamous doesn't need to load every area individually.

[Ldubbz]

I do remember that line, to the dean guy...lol. I cant be mad at a Reggie Noble reference....

But while I understand what you are saying, Sucker Punch has no experience with the 360's architecture. While MORE similar to a traditional PC, the 360 is still a very custom box. It doesnt even have x86 processors. You do know that MS initially sent out Power Mac G5's to devs instead of PC's, due to the similar hardware?

Not to mention the fact that the 360 GPU is unlike any other GPU out there, to a certain degree. So for Sucker Punch to make that call WITHOUT having a 360 dev kit is uninformed. You cant simply assume that since they know what a PC is that just equals the 360.

And all the stuff you claim that inFamous does, you dont seriously think it represents some paradigm shift in whats been seen already, do you? I sure didnt get that indication from any of the IGN reviews. And in comparing it to the video of Prototype, I see plenty going on there too.

[Persistantthug]

is your claim that the XBOX Graphics card is more powerful than the PS3....as if the PS3 and XBOX can be compared by the same apples to apples comparisons.

They cannot. Why? Because the PS3's Graphics Card/GPU isn't the main catalyst for it's graphics output....rather...it wasn't meant to be. As I'm sure, you already know the Cell by itself is able to render graphics, so it's pointless to try and compare a PS3 to a PC or an XBOX. It is a different animal and is in fact more powerful than an XBOX and possibly, I know crazy talk now, but possibly more powerful than the best commercial PC with best Graphics card....quite possibly.

And the bottom line is, You could take the best looking game on thus far on XBOX360, and the best game on PS3, and the end result, PS3 wins in the graphics department....nothing to argue Ldubbz...that's all.

Take care.

[Traveler]

I don't know whether inFamous could be done on the 360 or not. What I do know is that it is the best-looking game of its type that I have seen.

[Flewid638]

"Only possible on PS3" doesn't mean graphics. It means the PS3 is the most capable for handling the complexities of the way the game is coded. Visually, both the 360 and PS3 have awesome multi-plats and exclusives. Heck, God of War II on PS2 STILL looks good to this day.

So in reality, yes, chances are you couldnt make Infamous on another platform without CODING it differently. Visually, BOTH consoles have PRETTIER games.

[Tachyon_Nova]

He's probably wrong/lying, but its not the graphical quality hes talking about, hes talking about the fact that it preloads then entire city at all times

[Morbid Bulldozer]

Preloads it where? Does PS3 memory magically multiply to hold this data? BS.

[-EvoAnubis-]

Standard. Hard. Drive.

[robotnik]

It can't be done on the Xbox thats pretty obvious, anyone with a half brain could tell, the Xbox can't run MGS4 either. Why people defend the PLSFIXME 360 is beyond human comprehension.

Maybe they are not humans after all...

[Gun_Senshi]

But as SandBox Game, its about processing of the world.

[Argento-Nox]

Of course this game can be done on the 360, over multiple disc like Rage and FFXIII. The better question would be how many disc?

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

When a PS3 developer says it...

...it MIGHT be true.

There's nothing the 360 can do that the PS3 can't. The PS3, however, is more capable. We've known this for years, people. Why are we questioning it now?

We should be discussing games...not capabilities. The Xbox was more powerful than the PS2, but the PS2 had a MUCH better selection of games.

This generation, the PS3 has the games AND the graphics.

[Halo3 MLG Pro]

You guys are so gullible. I bet if they said the ps3 can be used as a jetpack you would jump off a cliff, huh?

"Weeeeeeeeeeee, I can flyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy".... .......SPLAT!

[Halo3 MLG Pro]

Well of course it's only possible on the ps3. If I put the disc in the 360 it wouldn't work. :/

[Persistantthug]

I don't know if inFAMOUS can or can't be done on XBOX 360....I haven't played the demo, and most of the people who played the demo haven't seen the finished product. But we all knew the PS3 was more advanced upon launch. The system was released a full year after the XBOX, so it should be more powerful.

Why are we even arguing that? Just because the PS3 is technically more advanced, that doesn't mean the XBOX sucks or is obsolete, but truth is truth......PS3 is more advanced, technically in almost every way.

Seems kinda pointless to argue, yet, people do just that.

*shrug*

[gnothe1]

you really believe that the PS3 is more advanced in every way!! lololol, boy you guys really drank Sony's cool aid this gen. last gen the xbox 1 wiped the floor with the PS2 in terms of graphics, why? BECAUSE IT WAS MORE POWERFUL!!most games were built for the PS2 then PORTED to the xbox but yet xbox versions looked better. the PS2 had a funky design also just like the PS3 an yet developers were able to put that code on the xbox 1 an make it better!! but why when a game that's built to the 360 specs then ported to the PS3 ALWAYS look worse suffer from frame rate problems an sometimes run at a lower resolution(GTA4). but if you take that funky PS3 code an put it on the 360 then there's no problems whats so ever, the games are nearly 100% indentical. its like the 360 can handle games built at PS3 specs but the PS3 cant handle games built at 360 specs.

developers ALWAYS build their games for the weaker system first, that's how its always been. but Sony promised so much power with the PS3 that developers were building their games on the 360 first then porting to the supposedly more powerful PS3 but with nasty results. I know many of you guys see the shift to leading on the PS3 first.but I guess you think its because you can make better games on the PS3.lol. this whole power of the cell line is complete marketing BS. the cell only HELPS out with the processing.the RSX is responsible for what goes to the screen.<----fact.

lastly, the way many of you guys believe the PS3 is vastly superior than the 360 is crazy, look how sony is TRYING to get the PS3 to do things the 360 has been doing for ever. havnt they been trying to free up system memory in order to bring in game chat,cross game chat, invites,custom sound tracks in all games even from a media server. the 360 does all of this without even trying. I dont have any music on my 360 HDD, i stream it all from my PC in game. I cant even do that on my PS3, my music has to be on my HDD. but you guys wanna sit here an act like the PS3 is godly when its been playing cath up to the 360 this whole gen. an just like I stated in my last post, would you guys please stop trying to hype the PS3 an it games like their the best when you know its all a matter of opinion!!

the 360 isnt without it faults im an 2 time E74 an 1 time RROD error sufferer but.... if it wasnt for the system faults sony would have really been in a world of hurt. (oh an had blu ray lol)

[Persistantthug]

"this whole power of the cell line is complete marketing BS. the cell only HELPS out with the processing.the RSX is responsible for what goes to the screen.<----fact."

No that is NOT a fact. In fact, you are wrong gnothe1.

The Cell processor can and does in fact perform Graphics processing AND GRAPHICS RENDERING.
You, as well as many others seem to have a hard time understanding that the CEll processor is NOT like traditional PC architecture that we all have come to know, understand, and compare....So here I'll let you read this for your education purposes:

http://www.gamezine.co.uk/n...
"In fact, the God of War III team rely on the SPUs to accelerate both the PlayStation 3's GPU (RSX) and the PPU. They then detailed the systems running on the SPUs, which include animation, cloth, collision, procedural textures, culling, shadows, push buffer generation, meta tasks, geometry conditioning, and sound. Indeed, most (if not all) of the heavy lifting is left to the SPUs."

[xdye017]

Can't wait till Alan Wake shuts the fu*k up on you guys.

[LTC]

.

[hatchimatchi]

you might wanna rephrase that, read it slllooowwwly

"Can't wait till Alan Wake shuts the fu*k up on you guys."

alan wake already has shut the fu*k up, because there is never any news about it and no one knows what the heck is going on with it.

but i know what you meant, so i'll help you out. You should edit it to:

"Can't wait till Alan Wake makes you guys shut the fu*k up"

[ptotoy]

you have to wait. you are forced to wait. keep waiting for nothing. you can't wait forever.

alan wait is a vaporware. sorry xbots.

[hatchimatchi]

i don't think the developer is referring to the graphics. The game doesn't load while you're playing it, it's all streaming. We all know that blu ray holds far more than dvd9. So im guessing that the game itself wouldn't fit on one disc.

why does it always come down to graphics? Tbh, i don't even think infamous looks amazing as far as graphics go, but the concept and gameplay videos look freaking awesome. That's why im buying it.

[hatchimatchi]

@the 360 fanboys,

pull your head out of your ass, the developer is most likely talking about the storage space on blu ray, not graphical capabilities.

Everyone knows that blu ray holds far more than dvd9. The game doesn't load while playing, it's all streaming. So what it comes down to is that if the game is bigger than a dvd9 then no, it couldn't be done on the 360, you're not gonna be swapping discs in a open world game. That's crazy talk.

Just because a game on the ps3 can't be done on the 360 doesn't mean the 360 is a crap system, it means that your storage solution blows, and it does. All dvd9 does for developers is limit their options.

[she00win99]

i think this game is also possible on 360. because it didn't surpass GTA4 by a mile...

[player-1]

pc anyone?

[tordavis]

Seriously, who cares. Just buy it and play it.

[Mr Face Creamer]

Because we all know the 360 can't handle a game with mediocre graphics and a few monsters here and there.

Gears 2 manages to literally show hundreds of vehicles and dozens of choppers and explosions all at the same time.

Dead Rising 2 manages 6000+ zombies.

inFamous manages 20 monsters that all look the same with a bit of lag.

You just got sucker punched in the sack Sucker Punch.

[hatchimatchi]

you're still missing the point

the game could be bigger than what a dvd9 can hold

[Shane Kim]

Besides those backrounds in Gears are pre-rendered. You can't interact with them.

[Major_Tom]

Lol, totally linear game vs. open world sand box. feel threatened?

[maspi]

obviously InFamous only possible on ps3.

[mbanatech25]

360 needs bd othrws 720 to compt wit ps3 in trmz of graphx.

[CypH]

why not make a game look better than killzone 2 matter of fact I'll go easier make a game better than gears 2

graphically
physics
sound
scale
gameplay
story

If not sorry 360 fanboys you have admit that they are telling the truth

[TABSF]

stick it on PC then you have the best system, the only limit on PC is the user system.

[bigjclassic]

Infamous is wack to begin with.

[Kashadoo]

It's not, little man! Now go suck out some more knowledge from school!

[maverick1191]

news just in Halo is only do-able on 360 with 640p and colourful grpahics lol

its funny you never hear a person go this can only be done on 360 when we all know you can make it 10 times better on the ps3

[bomboclaat_gamer]

oh hell no lol. utter BS. the graphics isnt really all that. stupid yo

[XPC HARDonE]

f-ck all the consoles, read a book

[ULTIMATE_REVENGE]

gears 2 cant handle so many enemies on screen, what the hell your talking about?, the draw distance is utter trash and the explosions and sound could done & be better on a PS1, nothing in gears is new because after all the graphics arn't that much of a burden to handel many things on screen, where as something like Unchated that has massively high polygons on the screen has to go through alot of processing power to keep the frames steady and have many enemies on screen and have better explosions, which by the way are better then Gears 2 explosions

[Shane Kim]

Besides, if he is talking about that level when you're on the back of that huge monster, some things must be in concideration. 1) that level is on rails. 2) most of the locust and choppers and so on are pre-rendered and cannot be interacted with.

[no-spin]

im sold, first day buy. Why?
Sucker Punch dedicated themselves to delivering a quality game, kudos for them. Also the game play and on screen action looks great.

Imagine Fable 2 optimize for the PS3, and please im not bashing, is just the reality. No game in the PS3 has ever been doubted and pointed that it could have been better on 360. I know the bash is coming, i see it like newer PCs are better than older ones, simple logic

[L-a-i-n]

They are so right about it only being possible on the PS3. You want to know why? Because they are not making it for the 360 :). End of discussion!

[AnimeRaven]

LOL! bubbles for making me laugh 8)~

[Karum]

The important thing is it is only being done on the PS3.

The 360 may well be technically capable of running it exactly the same way if an engine was custom built for the game around that architecture because I don't think inFAMOUS is as technically advanced as KZ2, a game I won't believe can be done on 360 until someone matches it's graphical and technical brilliance on the 360.

[_Q_]

I have a feeling inFamous can be done on the 360 but this is only from experience with the demo. Will it ever ? No...
This game is made for, funding by and published by Sony. Its never going anywhere but to the PSP maybe haha....

[no-spin]

I keep hearing how KZ2, MGS4, well every PS3 game can be done in the 360 given the proper attention. Why there is no single game that reaches that type of quality on 360?

Is better to show such capable games or simply stay quiet while others do their work

[_Q_]

MGS4 and KZ2 different stories. I don't feel KZ2 or MGS4 can be done ala 360 I do however feel that inFamous can. The game doesn't feel as technically taxing as MGS4 or KZ2. And there isn't loading in the game. I doubt its as data heavy as the others. But hey we all can speculate right?

[The_Devil_Hunter]

These days everythings only possible on the PS3.

[_Q_]

Teh Cell can make my toast and cook my eggs too. Now thats B3yond..

[The Pheen-X]

I use it as a porn machine.

[Goldenarmz]

halo 3 is only possible on the 360 and Mario is only possible on the Wii.....see how that works? Geesh these ppl get me, no one will be able ot prove them wrong so whats the point in saying it, midest well say it can only be done on the PS3 because its ONLY on the PS3.

[ItsIncognito]

What I find so funny is that both sides are arguing over opinions. The devs opinion is it can only be done on...And lost of people go in a debate like it is there lives that is at stake. That is pretty hilarious in my book and is better than a comedy show on tv. So you all, by all means keep providing me comdey :D

[Pootangpie]

Seriously it's getting old

[no-spin]

Be thankful is not the other way around, then MS would buy air time for a press conference showing how it can only be done on 360

[xg-ei8ht]

gnothe1 -

I get where your going, but one problem.

You cannot compare the systems that way.

360 - 3cores + gpu+edram. No oncore memory controller.

PS3 - 1core + 7cores + gpu. Oncore memory controller.

Basically, when a game has been programmed for the 360. It uses 2-3cores. 4 or 6 threads.

When ported over to the PS3, if all is left alone, PS3 was suffer because it only has the one core. So using same code that one core is trying to do 2-3 cores work. But has bad problems with framerate.

When you get a PS3 game using 5-6 spu's, you could not port that over to the 360, because you do not have the processing power of cell.

Yes it would been smarter to have 2cores+7spu's on the PS3.

All of the early ports would have been exactly the same as 360.

Everyone goes on about how much better graphics are on this or that.

Of course you need decent poly's/textured,lit,shaders,et c.

But what you mainly need is good artists.

And as far as i'm concerned Naughty Dog takes that honour.

As for best graphics. It's hard. I think GT5 looks stunning. I think Gears of war looks good. But very bland. No atmosphere.

KZ2's world looks alive.

I think Fightnight 4 on PS3 @ 1080P looks stunning. This time with a real physics engine.

Based purely on how games look now, i'd say PS3 games look better. Exclusive games do seem to push it better.

[Pootangpie]

It's flat out dumb when people use the BS to say multiplatform games look worse on the PS3 For your big fat information if a console is more powerful then another and has better hardware games will look better or pretty much the same not worse regarldess of difficulty of devlopment and code for that matter Xbox was hard to develop for when it launched but that didn't stop from murdering the PS2 in terms of visuals when a game was ported from the PS2 to the Xbox games always looked either the same or better not worse so if the Xbox doesn't have promblems then what's the PS3 excuse if it's more poweful like you idiots like to claim there should be no sacrfice in graphics quality when porting from 360 to PS3

[xg-ei8ht]

http://www.computerandvideo...

There you go shadow.

GEARS 2 and every other 3rd person game pwned.

[Morituri]

Your rage and fury only serve to fuel the fires of stupidity. Do you know the real answer to this question? …

No One Knows.

Mainly because it has not been done yet. It never will be done as well, so why get an ulcer over it?

Maybe infamous could be done on the 360, and maybe it couldn’t. Who really gives a flying fig anyhow? It was just a loaded question designed to drive all of you fanboy sheep into a frenzy, and boy did it ever work. I would think that some of you were defending your sweet mommies the way that you go on. Are you really that personally involved with a collection of plastic and wires? Are your lives really that devoid of all meaning and substance? For God’s sake, take a look in the mirror before you sit down at a keyboard.

What you put out in the world can never be taken back.

[mastiffchild]

Yep. We can't know if they're right. We don't really know how they feel it wouldn't work on 360-though as both platforms have different strengths and they prolly played right up to the PS3's they could well be telling the truth.

But that's all. We will never really KNOW so we should just put this down to them being very close to one console and having time to make a fabulous looking and big game.

[Ninjamonkey]

It might be true... it also might not be...

But until the 360 gets a game which beats killzone 2's graphics, the ps3 is the best console for graphics...

[Persistantthug]

YOU WIN.

:)

[biggsftw]

Let devs, advertisers, marketers say whatever they want! Is it true? maybe, maybe not! Like Morituri said, nobody knows. I think each system has games that make that system great. I had 360 (four times all rrod, ouch) and even though I was pissed as all hell every time it bricked I still enjoyed the games it had. PS3 has a bunch of titles that were on the ps2 and I am having fun with that now. Buy which system you want, and screw everyone else. Sure, there are some ps3 games at first that were ports from 360 and didnt look as "crisp" or "clean" or whatever but that didnt stop me from having fun. Go and play a ps1 game for a while and come back to whatever system you are on, it will make you appreciate the graphical value of whatever system you own all the more.

As far as Infamous is concerned, who cares if it could be done on 360 or not. The only fact I know of when it comes to cell is that a few years back there was a survey about the most powerful processors on the planet and cell was in the top 10 (I think at number 5 or 6) so yes it is a titan. If all this talk about what is possible on what bothers you, get the system that it "is" playable on or if its multiplatform then get it on whichever you own or whichever controller you prefer. You guys have to stop letting this fanboy crap get into you. When I get up and walk away, I go play my PS3. Do I care if its better or not than 360? (considering I owned 4 I think its more reliable ;) but other than that I play what I want, not what I think others think I should be playing. If you have fun thats all that matters, to hell with everyone else.

[BobbySaget]

Anyone who has ever had any experience in game development, coding, etc, etc. KNOWS that Infamous could easily... and i emphasize EASILY, be done on the 360.

The 360 is actually BETTER at streaming content off the disk, which is why several PS3 games require an install (DVD read speed). Secondly the RSX is NOT CAPABLE of streaming HD textures, or even CLOSE. Thus why the PS3 version of nearly every multiplat game has slightly-lower-quality textures. (please don't tell me i am wrong and FORCE ME to post the 800 comparisons in which the PS3 has lower texture quality)

The only real "potential" ISSUE HERE would be the space limitation of DVD. But on this note, we KNOW that Infamous doesn't use Higher-quality textures due the the limitations posed by the RSX. We know that the world isn't excessively large. We know that the graphics in this game are 'nothing to write home' about. We also know that the cuts-scenes are "comic book" style, and NOT rendered video. So i highly doubt the DVD WOULD BE LIMITED, by its space.

What exactly is it in this game that the 360 would not be able to do?

By claiming that only the PS3 has the power to run this, they are admitting to sloppy coding, obtuse coding, and a 100% anti-compressional approach. If you analyze the components of the disk, i bet there are 8gbs worth of sound. Uncompressed sound is GREAT if you have a 7.1 set-up. But if you have a 7.1 set up, i highly doubt slightly compressed audio would bother you. It would still sound amazing. As for other elements of the game, i doubt any other compression would be necessary to put this on a DVD.

Now i love Sly Cooper, don't get me wrong. And i think infamous looks pretty sick. But developers with an !OBVIOUS allegiance! claiming that the console 'they support' is "superior", is already pushing it. By making these claims with a game like infamous they are just insulting the intelligence of gamers, and fueling the fire that is PS3 Fanboyism.

In the case of KZ2, it would make more sense to say "the 360 can't do it". Because the 360 truly WOULD have trouble running a deffered-rending engine the same way that the PS3 can. However, that doesn't mean that the 360 couldn't do KZ2 using a "360 built engine" and possibly do it better.
(please don't argue this point. i don't care if "you think" kz2 cannot be done on the 360. what are your credentials? ignore this if you disagree)

This generation, i think its 'QUITE obvious' that the BIGGEST limitations are based on "space". But even as the "biggest limitation" this is a relatively small limitation. There are ways around it, and it hasn't hurt any gamer. The extra space available on the PS3 'SO FAR' has only served as a "arguing point" that PS3 owners use in their consoles defense.

Quite honestly, i think it would be nice if developers like Sucker Punch were dedicated to GAMING! instead of being dedicated to "PS3". There is no reason a company like Sucker Punch couldn't create an amazing 360 game. However... instead they are focused on the 'politics' of the gaming industry. They may as well be picking which "race" they think is best. Its pathetic.

[smurfie4]

When will people realize that its not just about the textures? The physics, ai, and amount of activity on-screen are also taken into account.

[BobbySaget]

The amount of activity on the screen is mostly representation of the graphics card, which is not as powerful on the PS3. Similarly a multi-thread/core processor is 'arguably' better at doing AI. The issue with the PS3 is that if you dedicate a SPU to AI, then you cannot use that SPU for anything else. This game really doesn't have anything special when it comes to AI, physics, or onscreen activity. So that's really not an issue. I doubt this game even takes advantage of the cell processor. If it does, it surely doesn't show, thus why why i called the developers "lazy" in my post above. They probably just used sloppy coding, and allowed the CELL to make up for it.

The reason us "Xbots" are getting mad, is because its ONE THING to say "KZ2" cannot run on the 360. KZ2 uses a deferred-rendering engine which would need to be completely re-designed if the 360 was going to run it. But INFAMOUS could obviously be done on the 360, probably even in its current form. The game looks great, but 'technically' its nothing special. So... a that makes this video THAT-MUCH-MORE-RIDICULOUS. Their 'agenda' is obvious, and its insulting that they would LIE about these kind of information just because they have an allegiance to the PS3.

Its like saying Halo3 couldn't be ran on the PS3.

[karan8624]

When is the demo released to the general public in North America? I really want to see the game in action!

[NexGen76]

Where can i find this early ? I heard that some retailers are breaking street date for this game ?

[djroberts]

Give me a break. Of course it could run on the XBox. This is as bad as all the XBot fanboyz saying Crackdown was better...