Dead Space dev: "Nintendo has brought a fresh face to gaming."

NintendoDpad reports:
"In a recent Gametrailers episode, Executive Producer Steve Papoutsis stated that "I think they (Nintendo) have brought a fresh face to games, it's making developers kinda think differently about how they make their games. I love that about Nintendo and love that about the Wii. "

[Product]

I would have to agree with him although i still wish for a third person Dead Space for Wii.

[avantgarde84]

those screens in the article look nice

[artgamer]

yeah, his name is Ben Franklin

[avantgarde84]

I think Ben Franklin is actually smaller than what they want.

[timmyrulz]

Lets see if he says the same thing when the game sells as many as Madworld, big mistake not calling it Deadspace-the return of Mario

[Insomnia_84]

lol

[caladbolg777]

You might be on to something there... a Mario rail-shooter where you toss fireballs at Goombas and Shyguys while avoiding Piranha plants and kicking away Turtle shells and Ba-Bombs. Yea....

[Seferoth75]

Yeah cause black and white games always sell millions.. Too bad we cant use that same excuse with all the PS3 games that are flopping left and right.

[caladbolg777]

You can (wrongfully) use that argument anytime a "stylish" game flops. Madworld's black-n-whiteness has little to do with its poor sales and everything to do with the Wii's demographic. Stylish, bloody, ultra-violent Mature titles just don't sell to kiddies and old grannies. And I'd venture to say that the 70,000 or so "hardcore" gamers left on Nintendo's Wii won't sustain a developer who may have been milling over developing ambitious titles for the platform.

Nintendo punk'd its fannies and for that I feel sorry for you.

[Mahr]

"Lets see if he says the same thing when the game sells as many as Madworld"

Um, why would this game sell in numbers similar to MadWorld? Aside from being rated M, how does the gameplay of a rail shooter even remotely resemble that of a brawler?

"Madworld's black-n-whiteness has little to do with its poor sales and everything to do with the Wii's demographic."

If that were true, MadWorld would have done better when it was called God Hand and put on the PS2. It didn't.

[ChickeyCantor]

" . Stylish, bloody, ultra-violent Mature titles just don't sell "
LEts not be ignorant here, on the Ps3 and 360 it would have been considered trash due the artstyle and you know it.

On top of that not all games from CloverStudio/Platinum sell great. I mean Okami, with its stylish cartoony look should have sold to kiddies as well and it didn't, Not even to the huge install base PS2 had.

GodHand? VJ?

If Wii games really didn't sell at all, they wouldn't even consider producing a games for it. It seems illogical.

Edit:
Ah, i see Mahr was a tad faster with the godhand xD
Also agree with you Mahr, people see how madworld do and pretend all games will have the same fate while they differ from gameplay and artstyle.

Edit edit:
At below, it doesn't matter how well balanced the PS2 was, the point is that not all games mean instant success if appealed to the likes of you. Okami and Godhand( from the same developers) didn't do great as well yet the install base was huge.

So why hammer that all games will suffer from this?
There were enough games from third party developers that sold enough to warrent a sequel.

" but had an incredibly strong "hardcore" following fueled by strong 1st and 3rd party titles alike. "
Instead of all the bashing perhaps the likes of you should show these developers that you guys are there to support software they make(like madworld)?

edit edit edit:
"Please quote exactly the statement that you do not agree"
Its your whole thing, incombination to Mahrs post.

You talk about your "opinion" of how balanced the PS2 was, but that doesn't matter. Okami didn't sell either, neither did godhand, and they were both on the PS2. Balanced or not, not all games succeed when it comes to sales, so don't push that all games will "suffer" this fate on the Wii.

"I think you make too many assumptions about which games I do and do not purchase"
...I was talking in general.

"I wonder if maybe you're just a little raw over the verbal abuse you've taken in other threads?"
Bite me...XD
you are taking it way to offensive.

[caladbolg777]

You act like the PS2 and the Wii are synonymous. I assure you, they were two very different animals. The difference is this: the Wii demographic is composed primarily of non-gamers and casual gamers with very little room for "hardcore" gaming outside of the first-party blockbuster Zelda and Mario titles. The PS2, like the Wii, catered heavily on the non-gamer and casual gamer crowd, but had an incredibly strong "hardcore" following fueled by strong 1st and 3rd party titles alike.

I'd argue that the PS2 had the best of both worlds and had a great balance of mature and kiddie titles which, at least in my opinion, is miles away from where the Wii is or will ever be.

ADDED: That isn't to say I won't be buying DS:E. I most certainly will be. And I commend you for vehemently defending a fledgling mature Wii community. It's an uphill battle and golf-claps around to all of you.

Edit: I guess I'm not certain what point you're trying to make or what debate you're trying to have with me. Please quote exactly the statement that you do not agree with and simply state why you disagree. I'm not interested in circular arguments and bickering over tangents.

I think you make too many assumptions about which games I do and do not purchase. Also, I don't agree that I've been doing too much "bashing" of anything. I wonder if maybe you're just a little raw over the verbal abuse you've taken in other threads?

Last Word: Agree or disagree with my statements, I stand firm in the belief that the failure of MadWorld on the Wii and GTA:CW on the DS will have developers thinking twice about developing mature titles for either platform. If future mature releases like Dead Space: Extraction and the Conduit fail to make numbers, then it will also serve as a warning to ambitious M-game developers.

Side Note that is totally unrelated to debate: BTW, Okami and Godhand are great. If anybody reading this hasn't had a chance to play them, then I strongly suggest it. Watch out for GodHand though, that game is friggin HARD.

[Mahr]

"You act like the PS2 and the Wii are synonymous."

If this is in reference to my own post, I think you misunderstand: I'm acting like MadWorld and God Hand are synonymous, or more accurately, highly analogous in terms of gameplay, genre, and design such that they appeal to much of the same audience. Neither one of them did well, *despite* being on different systems.

"The PS2, like the Wii, catered heavily on the non-gamer and casual gamer crowd, but had an incredibly strong "hardcore" following"

Right, that is the point I was getting at: even though the PS2 had this following, God Hand's performance was not significantly better than MadWorld's -- if anything, the few accounts there are seem to indicate God Hand did even worse (despite being twice the game in my opinion).

If MadWorld's sales were due entirely to there being no one but grandmas with Wiis, then God Hand -- on a system where the 'hardcore' demographic was definitely present -- would have done much better in terms of sales. It didn't.

As an alternative hypothesis, I would offer that games designed in the vein of old school arcade brawlers are made only very rarely these days because there's not really a market for them on *any* system.

"If future mature releases like Dead Space: Extraction and the Conduit fail to make numbers"

Well, if Dead Space: Extraction fails to make the numbers, it would be the first on-rails shooter on the Wii to do so. House of the Dead 2/3 and Overkill, Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles, Sin and Punishment, and Ghost Squad all sold pretty well, so it's not like Extraction is in bad company.

[N4g_null]

caladbolg777 the PS2 had more people wanting to watch DVDs period. The PS3 has more snooty people and struggling HD fans that are supporting it, which means less sells and more trade ins.

If you launch a Hardcore game on the PS3 and can not get close to 8 million copies sold like the lack luster 360 then what does that say about the PS3? Maybe those are not gamers. Yet the funny thing about this is these grand mas and kids have bought 15 million mario karts, SMG, wii fit and play while other games continue to sell. These guys are not buying advent children to play on there system they are buying games that are not getting traded in.

Nintendo has brought a fresh face to gaming and if the HD hardcore choose not to show up on the Wii then it is mostly their lost. There is more than shovel ware on the console and frankly I would rather make games for gamers than movie buffs.

This system give us a chance to be a game industry rather than an interactive arm of the movie industry, which is what HD gaming is becoming. In a perfect world HD gaming and the PS brand should be called interactive sequence gaming rather than traditional gaming where any thing goes, because clearly they only want certain things on the HD consoles.

The HD owners are starting to sound like kids that want to sound cool. The sad news is HD gaming is still lame to lots of people no matter how good it looks.

[caladbolg777]

Albeit a misguided one, you're entitled to your opinion. You enjoy your Wii. I'll enjoy my PS3 AND my Wii. No sweat off my back.

[Lucreto]

The fresh face to gaming 8 year olds, young couples and grannies.

[VMAN_01]

Shame the fresh face has worn off now.

[avantgarde84]

not with Motion Plus around the corner.

[caladbolg777]

Wii Motion Plus is set to revolutionize the way we view our Wiimotes. Yessir, now you'll be waggling with accuracy!

[bigjclassic]

People need change. I love the Wiimote for Adventure, FPS, sports and rpgs. The only genrre that needs tweaking is fighters and DBZ BT3 does a great job with the Wiimote there.

I can assume that next gen will be the 1st gen to have all console having a "motion type" devices and HD to try an even the field.

And Wiimotionplus upcoming, i hope to get another great AAA exclusive from Nintendo besides WiiSports 2.

[addnewman]

i know what you mean
i have a very strong gut feeling that the some time next year hopefully early XD (if not in development long enough to ensure greatness then i can wait longer :D)
i just know nintendo will do with zeldas graphics like they did with marios in mario galaxy turn them into 1 of the most beautiful sites to see in gaming and with motion plus true 1:1 sword fighting would be my dream which i just have a feeling they know will come true