Why do people care about Killzone 2 sales? Underground Hype 17

AnalogHype.com writes: After a 2 week hiatus, we are back and we have a banger of a show for you, as DJ Krome would so elegantly put it. This week, most of our cast members are present and we have a great time as it's been a long time since we all just sat down and talked about games. Quentyn, Stephen, Marcus, Adrian, Keem, and Michael gets behind the mics to to discuss what's really good in gaming. Here are some of the things we talked about:

* Xbox Live VIP Rumors: Do they really make sense?
* Impressions: What everyone thought of UFC, Red Faction, and more.
* NPD Numbers: Why are we still talking about Killzone 2?
* Batts quits AnalogHype... kind of.
* And a crap ton more!

Hit the play button, and try not to let this burst of awesomeness incapacitate you for too long."

[blackboyunltd]

killzone 2 is going to be studied in marketing classes for years to come

[ogwilson]

lmfao that would be dope

[Myst]

Lol! I'm going to have to give you bubbles for that one :P

[sack_boi]

I'm really glad that Sony doesn't market games; they put that money into their games instead and that's why they're awesome.

[lowcarb]

Your envy is hilarious, and as to be expected.

[Death]

If they had the money, they would market the games better. You're naive if you think it's because they want to make games instead of sell them. Ideally they want to do both.

-Death

[XLiveGamer]

They dont have the budget yet because they are still losing money for each console sold and a price drop can be a dagger to the heart if this xmas turn into another Deja Vu.

dτ_τb - yeah now call me a liar.

[s8anicslayer]

because thats how fanboys measure a great game and or console! why else?

[Traveler]

Do you really care whether a game you like sold 1.5 million or 3 million? If you do, you've got your priorities all messed up. I mean, seriously, that's pathetic.

Some of my favorite games of all time did not sell particularly well (Okami, for example) while some games I think are mediocre have sold very well (GTA4, for example). Or lets consider the fact that the Wii is my least favorite console this generation, yet it is destroying the other two consoles in terms of sales. Do you think for one moment that changes my opinion of the Wii?

The hypocrisy of people who judge a game or console's quality in terms of sales is a joke. You guys seriously look ridiculous.

[GWAVE]

People (and by "people" I mean "fanboys") only care about Killzone 2's sales because sales are the last and only thing they can hold against the game.

It blew away all the haters. It surpassed all expectations. It raised the bar. So naturally, instead of giving the game the praise it deserves, haters decided to hide behind the last pathetic excuse they have to hate the game:

"Bu bu bu bu but it didn't sell 8 million"

Oh well. KZ2 will probably sell ONLY 3 to 5 million. How terrible...

[FlameBaitGod]

People who say Sony is still losing money from each PS3 sold clearly doesn't know anything, its been MONTHS since they haven't lost any money on each unit sold.

[lowcarb]

Spin it all you want, but the game has not hit the numbers we would of expected. Also this talk about haters is hilarious because it seems as if the only people hating are the ones that were talking up a storm to begin with. Maybe if you people would quit worrying so much about the other platform things would be different.

[RememberThe357]

This is business, not charity.

[Bnet343]

Killzone 2 was hyped beyond belief. I'm pretty sure that had something to do with it.

[All-3]

LOL... show me anything official stating that Sony makes a profit or breaks even with every --> PS3 sale.

I'm NOT talking about the PlayStation division which also includes PS2/game and PSP/game sales.

Where has Sony or anyone else ever made any backed up statement that the PS3 reaching a break even or PROFIT point yet?

The COST of manufacture have gone down since the initial launch --> YES... but not to the point of any break even or profit point yet.

FACT --> Sony is STILL LOSING MONEY on each PS3 sold.

[SIdepocket]

The PS3 is still sold at a loss, and I don't think Sony has ever claimed otherwise.

[Gamer_Politics]

why arent ps3 owners buying killzone?its supposed to be one of the biggest sony brand titles this year

[ogwilson]

I asked myself the same question. But someone else brought up an interesting point: that perhaps it confirms the notion that 60% of the PS3 install base are only there for the blu ray.

[Sibs]

*facepalm* I wouldn't say 60%. Not even close. Probably close to the number of 360 replacements by people who didn't know about/didn't want to wait for the rrod and other warranties.

Killzone 2 broke 1 million sales and is still selling, what's more to ask for?

[iHEARTboobs]

Different strokes for different folks.

[mintaro]

And this has to do with the 360 how?

[ultimolu]

Because not everyone is into shooters? People have different tastes? The PS3 has different games that appeal to different types of people?

Not everyone is a FPS nut.

The game will sell well overtime, like I've been saying a billion times already.

[darthv72]

Every 360 sold is done so with the same intention. To play games. You can't say that about the ps3. It has been speculated by many that the percentage of gamers is lower than that of movie buffs who bought the ps3. I got mine for the games and only have a couple of blu movies.

I know a few others who are the opposite. They dont game and bought the ps3 as it was a cheap blu player. That may not be the case anymore as the blu player I want to get (just player) is under $200 now (Samsung 1500).

Like Ultimolu said, not everyone is into shooters. Speaking of which...hey Ulti, when are you gonna get that 360 you been saying you getting for awhile?

[Sibs]

7 disagrees? It was a comparison of two arguments, saying that neither can be put into numbers and using either as an argument isn't viable with variables on both sides.

Plus, if you're saying sales are low, of course you're comparing it to SOMETHING, it's not like a certain amount of sales makes it a high selling game unless there is some sort of comparison...

[lowcarb]

I think the game is selling but just not at the level many would have expected. This is definitely a slap in the face of N4G fanboy's and nothing more. I've played the game, and love it so hopefully it continues to sell well.

[Danja]

to say most ppl bought PS3's for Blu Ray is just ignorant...

look at the sales of COD4 & WaW... MGS4 , GTA4... when it comes to PS3 exclusive there i sso much variety that sales are spread more evenly among them than with the 360 exclusives which are mostly shooters.... whe u have games like Mass Effect , Bioshock , Viva Pinata and Banja they dont sell more than 2 million tops...the latter didn't even go gold

so whats the big deal with PS3 exclusives not doing Halo or Gears numbers which happens to be shooters... see the pattern...

fact remains most of them sell over a million which is more than enough for Sony to recoup there losses on development to make better sequels

[truehunter]

I want jRPG...... Stop with the massive FPS plz. =*(. PS3 is in need of more.

[lloyd_wonder]

I smell blog material...

[SinnedNogara]

Come to think about it, why do people care about sales anyway?? KZ2 is still good isn't it.

[blackboyunltd]

alot of good points on the podcast

[ogwilson]

Yea i listened to it, very good episode

[chidori666]

killzone 2 is now around 1.41 acording of vgchartz.

[Hated Greatness]

who can really trust vgchartz

[thequietgamer]

ALL ANALOG HYPE DOES IS HATE ON THE PS3 AND ANY OF IT'S GAMES. WHY ARE WE STILL TALKING ABOUT KZ2? BECAUSE IT'S A GREAT GAME!!! IF YOU GUYS WERE TRUE GAMERS YOU WOULD KNOW WHY. THE GAME IS HOT. YOU TALK ABOUT HHG DOING FLAMEBAIT ARTICLES TO GET HITS BUT THAT'S ALL THAT COMES OUT OF YOUR SITE.

[Hated Greatness]

If you actually listened to the podcast, you'd know that the question "Why do are we still talking about Killzone 2" forms from a long going joke they have that they always seem to talk about Killzone 2 on the podcast, even when they promise not to. It has nothing to do with why gamers in general are still talking about Killzone 2. You might want to actually listen or read next time before going off on stupid irate tangents (your name certainly doesn't match your rhetoric, either)

[TheRealSpy02]

"IF YOU GUYS WERE TRUE GAMERS YOU WOULD KNOW WHY."

so if you don't like killzone 2, you're not a "true gamer?"

[Traveler]

No, I think what he meant is that even if you don't particularly like Killzone 2 you've got to be pretty dense not to understand why other people are still talking about it.

It is a very well-received, critically acclaimed game that many of us are loving the hell out of. Of course people are going to talk about it.

[thequietgamer]

I WAS WONDERING HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE FOR THE AH BRIGADE TO GET HERE. I WOULD HAVE LISTENED BUT I DON'T GO TO THAT SITE ANYMORE BECAUSE OF THE FANBOYISM AND HATE GOING ON. YOU REALLY SHOULD NOT RESPOND TO SUCH FANBOYISH RHETORIC. WHO WAS THAT?

[Unicron]

To answer the headline -

Because fanboys have big mouths and are arrogant, and because trolls are insecure and petty. Both are looking to justify their purchases instead of enjoy their games. Meanwhile, gamers are enjoying a great FPS, and idiots continue to be idiots.

[Rmagnus]

most that whine about sales are fanboys, since they only have 360 n no ps3, by saying that poor sales = flop they get this warm fuzzy feeling inside. (Applies to PS3 frantics as well who whine that 360 games don't sell well or RROD) but people who honestly enjoy playing game for the thrill of gaming will not give a crap. Lair was a flop to many but its bleeding fun to me, you get to fly a dragon, roast stuff, rip heads off & eat humans, whats there not to like? (Game's not perfect I know but I enjoyed it for what it is) VC is another game which didn't sell too well but hey I personally feel its one of the best "next gen" SRPG around as it brought something new to SRPG (I never played anything like it so its something new to me)I play games which brings enjoyment to me, not how many copies it sold or how many 10s it scored in reviews (example God Hand)

[Bathyj]

First they picked on the graphics.
Then they picked on the gameplay.
Then they picked on no innovation.
Then they picked on no Co-Op.
Then they picked on the controls.
Now they are picking on the sales.

Isn't it obvious, as one arguement becomes disproved or reduntant they have to find something else to move onto. Its that, or swallow their pride and actually play the best console shooter since Perfect Dark 64.

But no, pride sticks in some peoples throats.

[INehalemEXI]

indeed.

[Death]

then why didn't the PS3 owners? Your arguement would be valid if the nit pickers were the ones that owned all the PS3's. Unfortunately these are probably two seperate groups of people with only one of htem actually owning the console.

The question that has PS3 fans and opposing fanboys scratching their heads over is "why is the attach rate for Killzone 2 lower than everyone expected"?

In all honesty it's a valid question. With around 10 million in sales the attach rate for Halo 3 is 1:3. Killzone 2 has around 1 million in sales on over 20 million consoles giving it an attach rate of 1:20. That is a pretty significant differance for such a highly rated game. When you factor in the rumored 40 million dollar budget, it's pretty clear the game hasn't even broken even yet for the developers/publisher. A financial success is more important than a critical success if the franchise is going to live on.

You also have the legion of fans that over hyped the "Halo-killer" before release often saying the 360 would be dead when the game launched. Alot of what we have now is the backlash from all that bs. The important thing is that we as gamers do not learn from this and move on to hype and then bash the next big game to come out on either system. We have to get payback or we risk a healthy gameing market where developers can thrive and take chances with new and innovative games.

-Death

[lowcarb]

"First they picked on the graphics.
Then they picked on the gameplay.
Then they picked on no innovation.
Then they picked on no Co-Op.
Then they picked on the controls.
Now they are picking on the sales."

Who are they? I think for the most part many of us wanted to see kz2 sell well, but who are they you speak of?

edit below: You made a good point there, but that's the way people viewed the PS2. Now a days when you think PS3, games like GOW, UC, and Gran Turismo come to mind. I bet anything that GOW3 will be the 1st PS3 game to sell 5 million it's 1st week on the market.

[Rmagnus]

Maybe its because 360 fans love halo more than ps3 fans love KZ2? If I am not wrong Halo was on the xbox? So it will make sense that the fans than love Halo from Xbox bought a 360 hence will buy Halo 3? When you think of 360 words like Halo, Gears of war comes to mind. When it comes to PS3 does it really have 1 game to define the system? Some would like LBP? Some KZ2? Some GT5? Some FF13 etc. Sony tries to reach out to as many gamers as possible not that I am saying 360 don't have a truck load of games but since PSX, Sony has always have alot of different kind of games to cater to everyone's need, so maybe just maybe there's not that many fps fans on the PS3?

[Traveler]

Come on, Death, you can do better than that. Comparing the attache rates of Halo 3 to Killzone 2? As if that makes any sense.

Xbox is practically synonymous with Halo. The two words go hand in hand and to a large extent the Xbox 360 is still thought of as the HaloBox.

Comparing Halo 3 on the 360 to Killzone 2 sales on the PS3 is absurd.

In any case, I know which game 'I' like better.

[aaronisbla]

Why do you care so much about the sales of a game? When a reviewer reviews a game, he doesn't take into account the sales the game has done or will do.

So please tell me, why the fnck does it matter to you so much? no "teh fanboys said its the best game evar!" or "the hype man, the hype!" i just wanna know why the sales matter to you so much, does it make the game less enjoyable that it hasn't moved halo numbers? Really man, you compared the attach rates for halo 3 to killzone 2, as if the games have been out for the same amount of time. just give it a rest will you?

[Death]

You are in a thread about Killzone 2 sales asking why I care about sales? Is that even a little hypocritical?

Why do I care so much? Who says I do? I do find it interesting that the game has not sold what it should. 99% of the people that said the game would sell great are now saying sales don't matter. That's perfectly normal and I am ok with it. People are always changing what they say to support reality.

As to why I compared it to Halo, it's not because of Halo's absurd success. It's because these are the top 2 shooters on each platform. To say it shouldn't be compared is rediculous. If you think I am wrong, go preach to the Forza vs. GT crowd. These games are also directly compared with GT's success far over shadowing anything Forza has done. The Mustang and the Camaro are also direct competitors. There is Pepsi and Coke, McDonalds and Burger King, etc. Have you really not put this together yet?

-Death

[Traveler]

Obviously, Death, the topic is 'why do people care about Killzone 2 sales" and some of us are arguing that it should have no bearing on the judging of the game's quality, while others seem to be implying that it should. So it is perfectly reasonable for someone to ask you why YOU care so much about sales.

Personally I never made any predictions about how many copies Killzone 2 would sell, because such things are not easy to predict. A year before the Wii launched I would have never guessed that it would sell the way that it has. And if I had never been exposed to the hype and had simply been given a copy of Halo 3 and Killzone 2 to play I would have never predicted that the former game would sell so many copies judged solely by the game's qualities. Fad has a lot to do with it and it is difficult to predict which things are going to have fads built up around them. The success of the Wii and Halo are fueled to a great extent by mainstream fads. Killzone 2, on the other hand, doesn't really have any fad surrounding it.

So, I think you are painting with too broad a brush here. Sure, there were plenty of PS3 radicals claiming Killzone 2 was going to sell like hotcakes, but many people who own PS3 said nothing of the sort. It is therfore immature and illogical to judge a game's success against the unrealistic predictions of a few fanboys on the internet. To do so is just petty.

[RememberThe357]

Killzone 2 has not sold as much as it was intended to. Period. Anyone who says sales don't mater doesn't realize that this is an industry. Killzone 2 could sell 500k or 5mil and I wouldn't enjoy it any more or less. I want to see this franchise grow, and if it doesn't sell then it wont grow.

I don't blame PS3 owners because I know that most of them are not all over the internet talking about games all day. I blame Sony for not getting the word out well enough.

It's not because they can't sell it, it's because of that stupid ass mandate from Sony Corp. SCE had their hands tied when it came to advertising. Well, at least they did last year. Who knows how resources have been replicated.

[Bathyj]

My point was, most the people who care so much about the sales of Killzone, aren't the same people who are playing it.

But isn't that always the way?

[All-3]

Errrrrrr...... --> Killzone was released on the PS2 <-- remember???

--> When you think of 360 words like Halo, Gears of war comes to mind.

QUESTION <-- was Gears of War ever on the Xbox???

Not everyone thinks of just Halo or Gears when the 360 is mentioned.

Lots also think of games like: Bioshock, Mass Effect, Fable, Call of Duty 4, GTA IV, Oblivion, Rockband, Forza, etc etc depending on THEIR gaming tastes.

--> When it comes to PS3 does it really have 1 game to define the system? Some would like LBP? Some KZ2? Some GT5? Some FF13 etc. Sony tries to reach out to as many gamers as possible not that I am saying 360 don't have a truck load of games but since PSX, Sony has always have alot of different kind of games to cater to everyone's need, so maybe just maybe there's not that many fps fans on the PS3?

The 360 has a good variety of games as well... it's the fannieboyz that don't want to acknowledge that fact.

[7thNightvolley]

next news please.

[DNAgent]

"Xbots" aren't "people".

[Traveler]

People who use sales as a gauge to measure a game's quality are the biggest losers around.

[Socomer 1979]

IM Gonna Listen to whats the HYPE is all about while playing KILLZONE 2. All done in 20 seconds.
Only The Hardcore PS3 Owners Know What im saying. IN - GAME Podcast !!! PS3 Browser is AAA !

[sGIBMBR]

bla bla bla, if the game was as amazing as Sony fanboys made it out to be then it would of sold better... No excuses.

The fact the "Halo Killer" Sonys biggest game didn't even manage to scratch the surface in terms of sales of that of XBOX titles is quite funny in my eyes.

Halo3 imo is still the most hyped game of all time, BUT, as where Killzone didn't live upto the hype, Halo3 did... !

Please stop with the poor excuses to why KZ2 didn't sell, your embarrassing yourselves!

[Rmagnus]

to you hype = sales. To me hype =game quality. Don't own a 360 so i am not gonna try to bash something i know nothing about but KZ2 is quality. So KZ2 hype = justified

[ultimolu]

What makes a game great?

The sales or the gamplay?

Answer the question unless you're too chicken to answer it.

The problem with 360 fanboys is that just because the game was hyped as an amazing game, they expect it to sell five million for launch day. And when it didn't, they screamed flopped because they couldn't pick on the gameplay or the graphics.

The game exceeded over the first one.

That's what matters.

Now I expect the disagree fairies to come running with their accounts.

[Rmagnus]

don't forget most of sony's games selling over time (DOT ^^ or SOT in this case) Most of their games don't go 1 million day one but sells at a steady speed over a long period of time

[ultimolu]

Exactly Rmagnus.

[Traveler]

@sGIBMBR

And the Wii is kicking the 360's ass, so that must mean its the best console ever, right?

Fanboys are retarded, but fanboys that talk about sales are the most retarded of all.

(When I say 'talk about sales', I mean talk about sales as if they decide how good something is). Some of my favorite games are games that sold poorly, while some games I dislike are games that sold very well.

If you had any consistency you would be a Wii fanboy, not a 360 one.

I like both the 360 and the PS3, but people like you make me sick.

[Traveler]

"if the game was as amazing as Sony fanboys made it out to be then it would of sold better"

So, are you saying that games like Indigo Prophecy and Okami are bad games because they didn't sell well? Are you saying that the fact the Wii is outselling every other console means that it IS the best console?
Halo 3 is better than Gears of War? Etc, etc...

Sorry, but your reasoning sucks.

[ChickeyCantor]

"if the game was as amazing as Sony fanboys made it out to be then it would of sold better"

Well if we look at it from a different perspective...Going by all the hype that was created you would expect more sales in such short period of time. I'm not bashing here, I honestly expected KZ2 to sell double of what it is now.

But whatever, i do wonder though, why do people talk about sales and not the actual games =/.

[keysy420]

i wonder why xbox fans are under all these false impressions let me clear some things up for you all 1 sony isnt broke they are making profit now on every system 2 the ps3 since realease has sold faster than 360 ww 3 the playstation isnt going anywhere 4 sony has a great business structure and it works 5 sony is getting money from all the copies sold of final fantasy 13 wether its on 360 of ps3 ( they own part of square people) and 6 this is a business

[Death]

Sony should be close to breaking even on manufacturing, but most likely not on making money from hardware sales yet. They have been reducing their losses in the games division for 3 years now. They would probably be making money today if the world economy had not tanked resulting in Sony's first fiscal loss in 14 years. They will be releasing their financials in May. At that time we will all be able to see if their games division is making a profit. With the recent changes in the yen it is highly unlikely, but not out of the realm of possible. If it means anything to you, a 3 billion dollar loss company wide isn't the same as making money. It's actually the opposite, they did lose money like just about every company on the planet last year. Nintendo excluded of course since they clearly sold their souls to the devil. I'm not sure how you describe "broke", but I consider only being able to afford a McDonalds Happy Meal for dinner after paying my Mortgage broke. Being 3 billion in the hole is probably worse. Of course Sony is worth much more than the 3 billion they lost, but I think you get the point.

-Death

[Traveler]

Likewise, Microsoft carried over huge losses from their foray into the console market with the Xbox last generation. Do we have any clear information detailing whether they have dug themselves out of that yet? I had heard in the first year or two that they were still in the negative. Is that still the case? Everyone knows that the whole RROD fiasco has cost them a lot this generation.

[Death]

They've been posting annual profits now for a couple years from their gaming division. Losses aren't carried over year to year like when you balance a checkbook. If you write off a billion this year, it is exactly that, not carried over to the next year. Sony lost half as much last year as the year before. This year they should have been very close to even, but once again the economy will play a factor on the actual numbers. Don't take these loses as a negative thing, it is the usual loses occured when launching a new console.

-Death

[Traveler]

No, I don't exactly take them as a negative thing. I mean they are what they are. I like both consoles (360 and PS3) and I want to see them both do well. The recession is making things tougher on everybody and we can only hope that we pull out of it soon.

[NegativeCreep427]

It could be because they are just pissed that such an outstanding FPS wasn't released on the FPS-fanboys system of choice, the Xbox 360.

It could be because they were casting evil voodoo on Killzone 2 since 2005 and it ended up looking as good as the 2005 trailer anyway, which is what they were hoping against.

It could be because it delivered and didn't get universally panned and didn't fail like a certain other hyped-to-hell title (Too Human, in case you forgot).

It could be other reasons than those, but bottom line: They care...because they have nothing else to care for in their pathetic lives (like personal finances, career aspirations, lovers, social relationships).

[BX81]

The only people who care are fanboys!! Both 360 and PS3. Oh and the people who stand to make money if it sells and I'm pretty sure it's selling.

[Traveler]

Another thing people need to realize is that first party software is largely designed to help make the console more attractive, not necessarily about making a huge profit on the game itself.

Nevertheless, Killzone 2 is selling well and I have no doubt that it will make a profit. Over the long run I also think it will help sell more consoles.

It's a fantastic game in any case. If Halo 3 has sold 10 million and Killzone 2 only sells 2 or 3 million, do you think I care? Sales numbers do nothing to change my opinion that Killzone 2 is a better game than Halo 3.

[Finalflash22]

but I have to agree with the review scores,

metacritic

killzone 2: 91

halo 3: 94

[Rmagnus]

you guys don't give up do you? Kinda sad that you have to let scores to decide if the game is any good? I mean you actually let others decide if a game is fun for you? Whats next? You are not gonna marry this girl because your friends say the other girl is better? You do know that reviews are just opinions as well right? There is no fact book on how to review a game

PS God hand only scored a mere 73 in your all mighty metacritic and its more fun than alot of the games that score higher than it

[no-spin]

The metacritic argument is the lamest one. Only non gamers follow the sales and metacritic. True gamers look for the hidden gem.
Halo 3is only better than KZ2 in the fanbase for the franchise. Other than that u are just being delusional

PS Prince of Persia is a good game, just got it and im enjoying it plenty

[u got owned]

@ no-spin

"Halo 3is only better than KZ2 in the fanbase for the franchise. Other than that u are just being delusional"

I like Halo 3 more than killzone 2 and i don't think i'm delusional, saying a person is delusional because he/she likes better one thing than the other is ridiculous.

Finalflash22 liking Halo 3 more than k2 and you saying k2 is better is subjective, is a matter of opinion.

[Finalflash22]

a game is I was just saying I agree with the review scores, I know sales don't equal quality but in my opinion the metacritic score was spot on this time, I felt reviewers were wrong with gta4 but from a technical stand point it deserved it's scores but from a FUN stand point it didn't, reviewers need to take into consideration the most important element to a game which is FUN.

[no-spin]

i was aiming more to a side by side comparison, not personal taste. Graphics, Gameplay, Physics, Sound, Lighting, MP 32 players in huge maps, Enemy A.I. and animation.

Im not bashing on those that prefer Halo 3, obviously i have no right to do that, but Halo 3 is not better than KZ 2 as a game.

[Cheeseknight28]

Why do people care? Because sequels are made from great selling games. Simple as that.

[Traveler]

Good thing Killzone 2 is selling well then, isn't it?

Get it through your heads, sales of the kind Halo 3 had are a fluke. They aren't going to happen very often. Most games will never achieve sales like that.

Killzone 2 should have no problem selling 2 or 3 million (or even more) in its lifetime, which is plenty enough to make a good profit and ensure a sequel.

Uncharted, for example, took around 2 months to reach a million copies sold (a number which Killzone 2 has already surpassed) and has reportedly since gone on to sell several million copies all told. Many PS3 games seem to have long legs. Now we are getting a very nice-looking sequel to Uncharted and I am sure we will get a nice sequel for Killzone 2 somewhere down the line as well.

[no-spin]

For a game like Killzone 2; Yes simply because the online MP feeds on quantity of players affecting longevity and fun factor.

Uncharted Drakes Fortune i could care less if it sold a thousand, that game is a gaming achievement.

[boss_killa]

you guys have halo and gears we get it. they're sales are awesome. yes. good.

now what other games on 360 do halo or gears numbers??

ummm yea.

[The Holy Trinity]

Thats a hard number to compare to, with those two franchises being HUGE, but a number of 360 exclusives have had excellent sales, most recently Fable 2, Left 4 Dead, and Halo Wars (especially for an RTS).

With Multi-platform titles included, COD comes to mind, GTA, etc.

But Gears does account for TWO titles this gen, dont forget.

[The Holy Trinity]

I think this topic might be a bit late, but I guess its still relevant.

Now for KZ2 sales...I see some people cite smaller games that were good but didnt sell well. This is true. But this game was supposed to be the video game equivalent of a summer blockbuster. Or at least thats what the faithful would have you believe.

If Sony indeed intended KZ2 to be a big hit, which I think they did, then the sales have been slightly disappointing overall. They will probably profit form this game, but its not even close to being on Gears of War or COD level of popularity, let alone Halo. It sales numbers (in US at least, where I would figure it would do best) have dropped significantly, below that of even Halo 3 (according to VGChartz weekly list), which means it will not sell many more copies at full price. Once its discounted and/or bundled it will see some additional sales.

Not all that great if you ask me. But why do we CARE? Well, I think when it comes down to it, its the only thing we can go by; A bunch of people on the net may say its the best game ever, but if people aint buying it, what does that say? Not like this is some small artsy title (like Okami for example, which was referenced earlier), this is a balls-to-the-wall, explosion-laden shooter, complete with evil villains ripped straight from a comic book (or Star Wars...lol). What else more do you need?

Or maybe the better question is how much less?

[Halo3 MLG Pro]

I blame it on the sony fanboys who praised this game as THEE GAME OF ALL GAMES! THE BEST EVER! GOING TO DESTROY THE 360!!!! HALO KILLER!!!

Well guess what? It wasn't and it didn't. Sony fanboys always putting their foot in their mouths.

[peeps]

The only people who really care about the sales are fanboys. Why else would it matter if a game you play and enjoy sold 1 million or 5 million? if you enjoy the game then sales shouldn't matter, except they do because it's the 1 thing fanboys love to throw at each other in their petty arguments.

[-MoOkS-]

It was the most hyped game EVER, hailed as the saviour of the ps3 and would kill the xbox 360.

Well guess what...

It flopped
It didnt save the ps3
It didnt kill the 360
It didnt kill halo 1, 2 or 3

So, it's only natural for xbox 360 supporters to laugh at how stupid droids were, hyping kz2 because of it's graphics.

Guess what droids....gameplay > graphics lololol

[Sez]

other than the graphics. the game isn't all that they claim it is. and i think thats the reason why many people weren't interested in buying it. plus you have to take in account that many people brought the ps3 as a blu-ray player. thats why every month game sale for the ps3 are low.

[slave2Dcontroller]

There are no other reasons to knock the PS3 and the fanbois and select medias are running out of things to knit-pick on in regards to the PS3. Theres no games, Its too expensive, KZ2 only sold a mill in a month, the PS3 is dead, so on and so forth. I guess the next complaint will be that the game cases are too short.

Whatever tho, the PS3 is SERIOUSLY ROCKIN!!!

[Finalflash22]

just like they hated ps2, stop with your ridiculous conspiracy theories.

[Sez]

oh boy. more crying, b!otching, and moaning from sonyfanboys. " why is everyone so focused on sales" sniffle,sniffle " so what it didn't sell 5 milion in one day" sniffle sniffle. stop crying because the only people hype for the game was internet fanboys. i brought and played the game and sold it after i finished it. it wasn't all that. the graphic was great. but it didn't live up to the hype and i know a few people that thought the same. deal with it.

[XPC HARDonE]

that dont care about sales are some not all gamers. The rest of the video game industry cares. So enough with this purist babe in the woods act about sales not mattering. They matter. They matter so much that most of the games we play would not even exist if there was no possibility of monetary profit. So again I get the point that game sales does not equal quality. Just stop with this holier than thou act about PS3 games, the suits in Japan care very much about the sales numbers.

[Shnazzyone]

Everyone wants to see good games fail on consoles they don't prefer. It's the current nature of the gaming culture.