The Conduit slammed in early preview/score

Gamereactor published a "preliminary analysis" article on The Conduit and essentially slammed the game with a tough score.

[ChickeyCantor]

" A quick look shows that The Conduit purely visually reminiscent of Metroid Prime for a bad day. "
Meh, i have Metroid prime 3 ( and played the other 2) but no way is Metroid prime doing as much onscreen as what the engine from The Conduit does.
He is purely going by art-design but mixes it up with the overall render tech.

" A better game control and a good storyline would save The Conduit to be even"
So where does the 2/5 come from if you don't even know the story (till end)?

I dunno he can say its "generic", obviously its his opinion, but already handing out a score?
Thats just retarded.

[Chris399]

And you really need to tone down your Wii-fervour a bit. It's entirely possible that this game is generic, visually unappealing and simply not that good (like I've been saying all along).

KZ2 had hundreds of enemies, particle effects and AI routines running at once, so while it's great that the Wii has something like the Conduit, it is also entirely fair that it is measured - technically - against it's peers; and area where it is clearly deficient.

Some of the most brilliant Wii games mask their technical inferiority with slick artistic designs or clever control schemes (ala Muramasa or Wii Sports). This doesn't draw such focus to the hardware's weaknesses and is clearly the way to go. Especially as we progress further and further into this gen and the gap - technically - between the Wii and HD consoles widens into a void.

So when the developers of The Conduit set out to make a game that would "technically rival" HD shooters (and they did say many, many comments to that effect) they, like Daedalus, flew too close to the sun and were consumed with the flames of their own hubris.

Expect the majority of review scores for this game to be in the 4-7 range. And unless you've played an early release copy or a demo, I really don't want to hear a rabid response over how great the game is WHEN YOU'VE NEVER EVEN PLAYED IT. I would assume that these journalists have played various demos and builds upon which they are basing their opinions.

I have a Wii, I think it's great. But I have no illusions about it's 729mhz processor steaming DX10 graphics or running complicated, parallel AI routines.

[Product]

wow you actually used a greek god analogy in your argument.

[Pennywise]

I am not here to bash... I hope the conduit is a great game. Seems like it has potential....

Having said that - in response to Chris399. Sidar makes all the ps3 rabid fans and 360 rabid fans look like a mild case of rabies. He loves his wii. I am not knocking him for loving to play with the wii, but I agree toning it down over something he has no idea how it is going to be is probably the most logical step for him. But logic goes out the window when you get so worked up about someone having a different opinion than what you want to hear.

[UnwanteDreamz]

Off Topic

"they, like Daedalus, flew too close to the sun and were consumed with the flames of their own hubris."

It was Icarus who flew too close to the sun and had his wings melt plunging him into the sea where he drowned. Daedalus warned his young son Icarus about this danger before it happened. Bubbles up anyway for the correct use of hubris....lol

EDIT: They were not gods

OnTopic

I hope they work out the kinks I thought this might be cool to play.

[Intrepid]

God forbid Sidar defends a preview build against a low review score... On a site crowded with Sony fans, I like reading his posts because they're usually balanced and fair. I agree with him on this one.

And Chris399, I think your philosophy on reviewing is dead wrong. You can't go into a review ready to compare a game to another game. Judge a game on its own merits and don't measure it against something else. Why bring up Killzone 2?

[Product]

I thought Daedalus aswell as Icarus wings welted as they both flew from being imprisoned?

[Pennywise]

Intrepid, Its cool to defend what you love. I am used to that. But to get so crazy about something that you have no idea about is silly. Look at his comments over the weekend with all the Wii hate articles... I got a kick out of it. Sucks to be on the short end of the stick.

Back to the hotel with Jack Torrance is what I say.

[The Phantom Agree]

Agrees and bubbles for ya

[UnwanteDreamz]

Nope only Icarus died. His father wept and named the sea where he fell after him. His father knew and warned of the dangers of flying too close too the sun or sea.

EDIT: Back at ya!

[nycredude]

I have to agree with Chris here. It was the developers themselves who constantly hyped their game to have next gen visuals equal to the hd consoles. If they themselves are comparing their game to other console games then why not come the actually games? Killzone 2 is an fps and conduit is an fps so I don't see the problem there.

How come when Killzone 2 was being reviewed it was compared by all fanboys to other games and put down and yet now it's "games should be judged on it's own merit"? Double standard FTL.

And btw what do you mean this site is full of Sony fans. I seem to see fans of all consoles and also pc on here.

Edit: For all the people who keep saying this is a sony site just please stop it. The only reason it seems this way is because lately most of the news is Sony news, both good and bad. It isn't the fan's fault that there is alot of Sony news. There is more negative Sony news than there are total Wii news.

[ChickeyCantor]

" nd you really need to tone down your Wii-fervour"
After this i didn't read on, its not "wii-favour".
Its what I see, I already said he has his own opinion and he is entitled to it. My point is that they keep comparing it to Metroid prime, MEtroid prime looked good due the Art-direction, Metroid doesn't even do half of what the conduit does.

If he thinks the game sucks, fine by me, but honestly i don't think you can already slap a score on it while you havnt played the full game, simple as that.

" I have to agree with Chris here. It was the developers themselves who constantly hyped their game to have next gen visuals equal to the hd consoles."
Eh no they were talking about render techs and shaders.
They aren't idiots they know they can never achieve the same fidelity on the Wii.

@penny
Shut your face.

Edit:
"I have a Wii, I think it's great. But I have no illusions about it's 729mhz processor steaming DX10 graphics or running complicated, parallel AI routines."
I still happen to catch this, IF you think that i think Wii can suddenly shoot pixie dust into those grannies you hate, then you are far off.

Look at what the conduit does compared to METROID.
This engine does sh/tloads more and saying otherwise is just complete BS.
I know the Wii's strength, but this guy is just far of with a 2/5 towards a game he doesn't even know till the end.
He hopes for a good story, that will save this game, so he says that yet he slapps it down with a 2/5.
Its wrong for any game, period.

[FOR ANY GAME IT WOULD BE RETARDED]

[orakga]

This thread wins N4G.

Yeah... I was a little confused about the Icarus thing too, but thanks to those who cleared it up.

Ergo Proxy also makes a great reference to Daedalus, BTW.

[ChickeyCantor]

Also chris,
I never said this game is "GOOD", obviously i havnt played it.
His "SCORE" for a game he hasn't finished yet is RETARDED.
There is a difference you are twisting my post to something i havn't said at all.

Currently you guys are just bashing me for no good reason, if you don't know how to read then don't comment at all.

Edit:
At below, fine i get it.
whatever.

[Drekken]

:D

[Seferoth75]

You really need to stop the bias Wii hate. Yes Conduit COULD be all those things but the guy giving this "preview" hasnt got a clue about any of it. The article is very poorly written, it's hard to even understand what his complaints were.Not that he listed any with merit but go ahead and blindly defend his hate while getting on to someone else for just being a gamer. Sorry but just because some of us can enjoe games on the Wii doesnt make them fanboys and you should be perma banned along with everyone else that goes around attacking Sidar for his unbias opinion.

I know if it was a PS3 game being trashed you'd have no problem pointing out the flaws in this article but since its saying what you want it to say anyone that doesnt agree is just being a fanboy? Souds like you have no understanding of what a fanboy is and from the looks of it, between the two YOU are much more likely the fanboy than Sidar.

Also Chris, PS2 was not held to Gamecube or Xbox standards. So why should Wii be held to 360 standards? I'd say PS3 but 360 has the highest of all current gens and the best looking games. PS3 is just blah on so many levels with its generic games and taking last gen games releasing them with a new lead and calling it a new ip.

[morganfell]

Excellent temper on your post. I also have a Wii and unfortunately it has found favor when my wife and I play tennis but little else other than for Gamecube titles. I enjoy Metroid though even that title when given the chance kept things squarely in the cartoon graphic realm for the Wii debut.

I haven't reserved The Conduit yet and was awaiting hands on looks prior to that move. I can take reduced graphical ability, that is something of a given and anyone expecting the Wii to suddenly exercise jaw dropping graphical prowess is holding on to a soon to be broken dream.

But I am more concerned about the control issues. Shooter wise the Wii has had to resort to wagon wheel sized cross hairs due to the unsteady and less than accurate nature of the Wii's controls. If they fail in that arena then it's a one way ticket on the Titanic.

[Seferoth75]

LOL Morganfell... You wouldnt own anything that doesnt carry the Sony name. Please stop trying to act like Wii owner. I'm sure that in 5 minutes of talking to you it would be obvious you've never touched one.

Not that you didnt just prove you dont own one by talking about the Wii controller being poor for FPS. You've NEVER touched a Wii FPS if you can even make those claims. Wii FPS are more responsive and accurate.

Ok.. ok let me ask you this.. If Wii controls are worse why was half the ammo removed from RE4? Because the game as harder with Wii controls? Of course not. Because Wii controls made the game too easy as it was and ammo needed to be removed to make it more even. That is a fact that the game was changed. What can you offer to prove your point? Bigger crosshairs? Seriously? Might want to actually stop talking about the Wii until you've had more than just 5 minutes of play time at Gamestop because you look like a complete fool to be making such false claims that games like RE4 and other WIi FPS show you are wrong.

[Rock Bottom]

You better pretend this is a good game, 'cause you're not getting any thing else for a while.

[Seferoth75]

Punch Out, SIn and Punishment2, COnduit, Monster Hunter 3, Murramasa, Over lord, Dead Space, and on and on.. Yeah kid keep telling yourself Wii owners have nothing to look forward to, while it continues to get more play time than your chosen console.

[onijutsu]

actually seferoth a recent study found that the average play time across all consoles resulted in this

1. xbox360
2.ps3
3.wii

so you can't use the arguement that the wii is the most played console, cause i have factual evidence!

[morganfell]

Haven't read my past posts have you...

http://i39.photobucket.com/...

And just so you are aware, because currently you are no, having a title appear on a console of choice does not equal having a good title appear on a console of choice. Presence is no guarantor of quality.

Also acting as if RE4 is a difficult game on any level reeks of inexperience. If anything Wii controls made it somewhat easier.

Your first reaction might be "Aha!" and you would be rushing in too quick.

RE4 itself was broken as is RE5. Wii controls did not fix the game or make it better. It made it easier and those two characteristics, easier and better, have no relationship by default. RE4 is a terrible example and merely demonstrates how little you comprehend gaming, control schemes, and player mechanics.

Irrefutable fact: If your game sucks and all you have going for it is a control scheme then your game still sucks.

[SinnedNogara]

A poorly written article. Why would the controls suck when the controls are fully customizable. And you can't rate a game when it hasn't been released.

The game will be fun. Just ask all the other 50 previews.

[Mahr]

"actually seferoth a recent study found that the average play time across all consoles resulted in this

1. xbox360
2.ps3
3.wii"

Actually, if I recall correctly, Nielsen, the group that did that study, said that that was an error and issued a correction a day or so later.

http://www.edge-online.com/...

"Nielsen told online news site FastCompany that the correct percentages in terms of user minutes, factoring in the console install base, are actually as follows: PlayStation 2: 23.7%, Wii: 20.7%, Xbox 360: 18.2%, PlayStation 3: 9.0%, Xbox: 7.9%, and GameCube: 3.3%."

[Chris399]

Thanks for the correction, my mythology is a little rusty :). And Sidar it's "fervour" not "favor" - different words, unique meanings (and the "u" is because I'm Canadian and we use the ol' Queen's English :) ). I don't know why you're getting so defensive, protecting the Wii as if it's the last bastion of gaming, when it's clearly not aimed at a hardcore audience.

Regarding The Conduit in particular, you're rallying for a game that you've never personally laid hands on, never actually touched. That seems a little naive to me.

And frankly, the game just doesn't look all that impressive. Most people are inclined to agree with that. If you're this sensitive now, you should load up on Kleenex for when the reviews start rolling in - it's not going to be pretty.

Peace.

[Cenobia]

Why is everyone jumping all over Sidar? He just stated his opinion and pointed out a few flaws in this persons argument.

What? None of you have ever defended a game that you haven't even played yet? Before Killzone came out people were attacking and defending it based on a few videos (good thing it turned out awesome). Even now people are talking about how inFamous is going to be better than Prototype, or vice versa, and no one has played either.

Don't call him a fanboy just because he disagrees with one persons personal opinion about a game. And he's right. Giving a game a score based on a brief time with it before final release IS retarded.

[N4g_null]

Chris399 you idea of reviewing the game based on it's peers is flawed. This would put all FPS up against quake 3 in control speed, id tech 1-4 andUT3 in mod ability, and of course crytek various engines that actually let you crush a shack with a tank and alter the surroundings along with a draw distance detail level that just make HD console look like toys. In other HD games you get only scripted events and maybe some rag dolls, pretty sad for an HD system.

When identity stealing was shown in killzone 2 people freaked because it was so cool and they suddenly though it was new. Well ET:Quakewars had this a long time ago infarct the killzone2 team actually lost an important member to splash damage the guys that made ETQW.

It is clearly not fair to judge lower spec systems against higher spec ones when the lower specs one have been kicking every ones A$$ for two gens. It's clear the gamers don't care about killzone 2 or the other HD AAAs and they spend more time fighting online than buying games.

Yet every one truly into to FPS will want better controls period and conduit is the current offering of better controls. What is sad is more HD games are pretty generic also and one even sold 8 million and it wasn't on the PS3. The dual analogs just are not getting the job done hey but if you like them then cool I hope they never change them so you will not have to worry about more people buying your system or favorite type of game.

[morganfell]

Sidar isn't defending the game, he is attacking people that point out Gamereactor put their hands on the game and he believes Gamereactor is wrong. Yet all he has done is watch videos yet he believes he is right. Hands on = wrong, video watching = right? WTF?

I understand what you are saying about people attacking Killzone 2 and the same thing apples. We are not talking about two people with opposite views of videos. We are talking hands on vs hands off.

Hands on previews for Killzone 2 were very positive and they were correct instead of people that only watched videos and such people were wrong. Same here.

[N4g_null]

LOL man are they after you sidar. These kids really don't like you because they have to think instead of be told what to like. I think it's just cool for them to not like the Wii right now even though they have one. The PS2 had the same problem for a while. Not many people though goldeneye was going to be good also and halo was generic before it sold 8 million.

Now if this game sells better than killzone 2 the first day with almost not internet fan hype on forums like this I will laugh my head off. Then on top of that RS2 is coming possibly with motion+ support.

Another thing is Lots of gamer will not be getting an HD system this gen because we have PCs already. Maybe next gen but the controllers have to get better. You can not hate your way into a system failing.

Hey I think HVS wants some negative feed back right now because the people who are going to buy the game are still going to buy it. Truthfully I just want a metroid online or some thing close to quake 3 on the Wii and I don't want to have to make it LOL.

The art has gotten better and the effects are what I wanted to see on the Wii so far. They have gotten enough praise and negative feed back will make them better or make them get better. Even halo got better due to negative feed back.

[Head Shot King]

360.

[ChickeyCantor]

@sciccors

" Sidar isn't defending the game, he is attacking people that point out Gamereactor put their hands on the game and he believes Gamereactor is wrong."

This is whats wrong with N4G, because you know what, its impossible to have a different opinion without " ATTACKING", in their mind set that is.
I even said its wrong for any game to have a pre-mature score. Yet these people put words in my mouth i've never said.

"Yet all he has done is watch videos yet he believes he is right. Hands on = wrong, video watching = right? WTF?"
See, they can't even read into a comment properly. He is just assuming im pointing something out with that mentality.

F this sh/t. I give up. I have a change of opinion, The score is not retarded, this place is.

" Regarding The Conduit in particular, you're rallying for a game that you've never personally laid hands on, never actually touched. That seems a little naive to me. "

And where was i defending the CONTENT of how good this game actually is?
I'm talking about a premature score. And the visuals do much more than metroid prime3. Its a fact. Now wether it looks next gen or not thats not the F point. Doesn't matter if its ugly, or that it looks dull. There is sh/tloads more sh/t going on screen than in MEtroid prime 3. This stands alone from wether the game is good or not. Stop pretending im saying its a good game. I obviously don't know that yet.

[Chris399]

http://www.n4g.com/NewsCom-...

Please read your comments and understand why it is evident that you are excited for this game by what you have written. I'm sorry that this journalist - and many others - are likely to dampen your enthusiasm with their critical reviews. You like the Wii, and you are personally excited about The Conduit, based on statements you've made in pretty much every N4G article on the game. Arguing about this makes you look silly, when the evidence is in plain sight.

And again, back to The Conduit, the game doesn't look that fantastic. It does not seem to have met the statements or expectations made by the developers. The game goes (or has gone, already - don't know) gold shortly, so I'm not certain why you think that things will be drastically different in a final build. And the few suggestions in this thread that we SHOULDN'T compare this to other shooters on the market because it's on the Wii is ridiculous. It's a video-game, it's an FPS, it will be judged and weighed against it's peers and what is currently available on the market. There's no "free pass" because it's on the Wii.

[ChickeyCantor]

So wait, i think it looks good? Does that mean i actually know it is good?
They are 2 different things.

On top of that, again its THE SCORE HE IS HANDING OUT.

WTF is it that you don't get form my post? It doesn't matter if its on the Wii or that it looks fugly.
Why is he handing out a SCORE for a game he HAS NOT finished YET. Its wrong and you know it.

Doesn't matter if reviewers sh/t on this game, I'm going to get it anyway and I WILL judge wether the game is good to me or not.

What i don't get is why you people read so hard into my comment while its obviously pointing out something that would be wrong for any game. No game should get a score for a "pre/demo" build. Period.

His 2/5 is uncalled for since it DOES NOT FIT INTO PLACE.
IF he gives a 2/5 on the final build then I don't think its a bad thing.
What others are saying about comparisons and stuff like that im not going on about that.

My post is simple and clear. Gamereactor is slamming a score while he is still hoping for a good story...It doesn't even fit when he slams it, hasn't finished it and yet he has a score ready?
If he thinks this game SUCKs, and if you think it doesn't look good. Who gives a F, don't go give a score while its not the time or moment to give a score. The GAME ISN'T EVEN OUT YET.

It's wrong for All games to have a premature score period.

And yeah i do think HVS deserves this game to sell, but if you people think it sucks, its not relevant to my point, cause its not about wether its " good" or " bad" rather that handing out a score NOW is out of place.

[Chris399]

Do you even read or comprehend the posts that you write? Seriously, do you understand how you come across (like a raging Nintendo Fanboy - just as bad as POG, The Mart and all the rest)? Sidar, you like the Wii - it's obvious, you post in practically EVERY Wii article. I'm sure that I could pick through each of your Conduit posts and find somewhere that you had professed your love for the Conduit, but I really have more important things to do.

I'm honestly not trying to argue with you, but you need to tone down your fanaticism a bit. It's just video games that we're talking about. And again, ON topic, The Conduit DOES NOT look that spectacular and DOES NOT live up to the expectations that the developers set. I will go on record saying that it will be a mediocre turd. Of epic proportions. As I have said all along. Please return this post in the coming weeks and weep over my words.

Your tears are like sweet nectar to me - I kid, I kid! :) But relax a little, being this involved in something isn't good for your health.

Later.

P.S. I don't mind chatting with you on N4G, but no more private messages please. I find that level of involvement a little much for my tastes.

[caladbolg777]

You're spewing garbage. Whatever point you were trying to make in your last handful of replies has been totally and utterly lost.

"Might want to actually stop talking about the Wii until you've had more than just 5 minutes of play time at Gamestop because you look like a complete fool to be making such false claims that games like RE4 and other WIi FPS show you are wrong."

Oh, and RE4 is a TPS (third person shooter) and not an FPS. But... hey... you'd know that had you spent more than 5 minutes of play time at Gamestop. ZING!

@Topic Starter: I agree with you. It's far too early to be slapping a numeric rating on The Conduit. I wouldn't take this review too personally though. Let's face it. The quality of this review is... lacking. I mean, hell, the sentence structure is so crummy that you can barely read it. It's borderline illiterate.

Just calm down. Nobody is pissing in your cornflakes........ yet.

[edgeofblade]

FPS on the Wii, to date, has been a huge letdown. As long as we are turning with the pointer, games like this will feel awkward. Just give me a mouse or a controller and I'm happy.

[DARKKNIGHT]

since when did it become cool to argue about gamecube 1.5?

[Fishy Fingers]

Shame. I've been playing Mad World lately and I was hoping the Conduit might have maintained my Wii gaming time. I'll keep an eye out for some true reviews and see how it goes. But doesnt sound to good.

[ChickeyCantor]

Bah, this is one guy( maybe some more out there) but just because of this guy compared to all good feedback it suddenly puts people in the "I DONT KNOW "section.

[WiiJunkii]

I've gotta stand up for my boy Sidar here... He hasn't said anything to warrant this backlash on this thread or any other... I (like many others) can't so much as mention that we enjoy Wii Games without having to contend with dozens of spastic Wii-Haters. As regulars on this site are concerned, Sidar is pretty reasonable and fair.

and... for the record; there have been an excessive amount of anti-Wii stories on this site lately.

-- On Topic (The Conduit)
Every time I look at a new video of this game, it looks more and more polished, and I'm confident that the guys at HVS are working over-time to meet their own and everyone else's expectations.

For all the negative things you might be able to say about this game, there is one consistent positive that every trustworthy source has confirmed. --- The controls deliver.

The Conduit has ALOT of promise, and even if for some reason there is a below-average texture here or there, or an occasional story line cliche, this game and it's developers deserve alot of credit.

I believe this game will prove once and for all that the Wiimote/Nunchuck is a superior scheme.

Let the disagrees begin.

Thanks

[phantomexe]

yea this is a sony fan site.I've been saying it forever.I like how news get twisted here.... such as that news the other day about wiiware delopers.I agree with what you said Sidar and i own a ps3 as well.

[Trevorthenerd]

I agree this site is full of Sony fan boys. I like to go to the Wii and DS sections and the amount of Sony fan boy comments is ridiculous if they have so many good games why are they not playing them? good bye n4g...

[avantgarde84]

agreed people here really take this console war stuff to seriously

[orakga]

You clearly haven't been using N4G long enough.

Yes, at the moment this place is full of Sony fanboys. I won't deny that. But if you were here 18 months ago, you'd know that things were heavily skewed in the other direction.

What N4G does is merely gather the most active/vocal gamers on the internet, and what the current state of N4G tells us is that the Sony fanboys are simply outnumbering the 360/Wii fanboys in general. In other words..., don't blame it on N4G. Get used to it because this is virtually how things are around the internet in general.

[Brock Danger]

That's really your answer for that? That N4G reflects the world at large, and that sony fanboys are dominating?

What does that even mean? You guys have to stop drinking the kool-aid, it's already ruined this site, I hope it's not taking over the net.

[Seferoth75]

NO N4G mods cater to Sony fanboys. That is why you all infest this site. You have an open spot to spew your hate and act like complete asses while anyone that doesnt bend over for Sony or dares to say anything negative about them is banned.

What this site proves is that PS3 fans are pathetic 12 year old kids who cannot handle their console being in last place so they mass here and show their contempt for anything not Sony. Where the mods here required to do their job equally, 1000 of you wouldnt even be here. But since the mods are fanboys for Sony the only comments to ever get deleted are those that say something negative about Sony even if its true.

If I went right now to a Sony article and pointed out how PS3 was in last place, I'd get a 4 day ban for trolling, but let one of you say something thats been proven wrong years ago about the Wii and it will stay there for ever.

You actually think the least played console with the lowest sales has the most supporters? LMAO and people wonder why Sony fans are looked down upon by most real gamers.

[Cenobia]

"What this site proves is that PS3 fans are pathetic 12 year old kids who cannot handle their console being in last place so they mass here and show their contempt for anything not Sony"

WOW. Way to show us Sony fans that the Wii fanboys are really stand up guys that totally have valid opinions. I have no idea what horrid path I might have taken if it wasn't for your undeniable logic and truth. OH HOW YOU HAVE TURNED OUR LIVES AROUND!!!

/Extreme sarcasm laced with genuine distaste for you.

You're a Wii fanboy that is fighting with Playstation... What the hell is the point? Do you really think that people who buy a PS3 wouldn't buy a Wii if it had what they wanted? The Wii offers different things, and really doesn't compete with the 360 or PS3 at all. I don't understand how anyone could put the consoles up against each other and not decide immediatley which one they want (if not both). OH NOES! I WANTED TEH MARIO! HOW COULD I END UP WITH A PS3!??! OH HOW THE GODS HAVE FORSAKEN ME!!

Give me a break.

There are morons on every thread. Don't pretend like its some sort of Wii-only phenomenon. You just have Wii tunnel vision. I'm constantly seeing retarded PS3 articles because thats the console I care about. I don't cry about the trolls who feed off it. I just call them names and feel good about myself...at least I'm honest about it.

[Whoooop]

Leave Sidar alone.... Every new article proves him wrong... ;)

I just hope that any developer that decides to make a mature game for the Wii can at least break even. If they make profits then even better.

They are working hard to bring a well developed game to the Wii and that's good in my book.

[ChickeyCantor]

Prove me wrong on what?
I never said he is wrong on his opinion.
My point is that he hands out "scores" for a game he hasn't finished.

Its unfair to any game out there. If he thinks its dull and generic, Fine. But c'mon handing out scores?

You know damn well its just wrong.

[Seferoth75]

Just some ignorant child Sidar. Nobody has proven anything you have said wrong. It's just pathetic Sony fanboys that are worried that a Wii FPS may eclipse a PS3 FPS. Not one of them can offer a valid reason for why it will be bad at this point. They just know its not on PS3 so it must completely suck.

Whats funny is they prove there is a market for Conduit by how afraid they are of it. If Sony biggest fanboy Morgan had to rush in here claiming to be a Wii owner to hate on a game he knows nothing about things must be getting bad for them

The more desperate these kids get the more it shows just how good this game is and how much hype is behind it.

If the game were really generic and really crap it wouldnt be worth their time to troll it. They'd just ignore it and move like they do most Wii games, but this one has all the Sony fanboys shaking and running in fear.

Just look at all the ones who you never see in the Wii section running here now to spout off how a game they've never played must be complete garbage and anyone that thinks otherwise is a fanboy.

All the proof I need that they are all fanboys and all in fear of a game they cant play.

[Anon1974]

And why should anyone care?
Everything I've heard about this game just points towards a generic FPS. What am I missing here that's got Seferoth75 messing his diaper about?

[SpoonyRedMage]

darkride66, generic is very subjective and it was one of the main complaints launched against Killzone 2 but do you think Killzone 2 is generic?

[nintendohomie]

@ DARKRIDE
i have all consoles and im lookin go this game because i dont like fps on consoles( im used to pc controls) so im hoping this game makes the pc to console controls better. Metroid was a good shot btu this game has potential due to you being able to customize everything about the controls just like what i do on my pc fps.

[Whoooop]

lol

Seferoth is actually worse than you Sidar... Don't worry though, you're still my favorite Wiiboy.

;)

[Anon1974]

For example, I thought Killzone 2 was excellent. It didn't bring anything new to the genre but everything it did it did well, with unmatched graphics to boot. It's a first person shooter, I don't expect it to reinvent the wheel.

That being said, The Conduit is reminding me of Haze at the moment. There was quite a bit of hype surrounding Haze when it was originally planned for the 360 and PS3 due to the pedigree of the title but I was never the slightest bit impressed by it leading up to the release. When I finally played it, it wasn't half bad but in my opinion it ended up pretty generic. I feel the same way about The Conduit. I don't see anything that gets the ole spidey senses tingling.

Also, as a first person shooter fan I have to say, the 360 and PS3 controls aren't ideal for FPS games, but I hated the Wii controls. I will not play a game that requires me to sit and point my damn controller at the screen the entire time I want to play. Actually, that fact pretty much soured me on the Wii in general. It's a pain in the ass. More power to Nintendo, I appreciate they're trying new things and they've met with success. They deserve it, but as a long time gamer I just did not like it and that's the reason, with a heavy heart, I sold my Wii just before Christmas. No sense playing a console you don't enjoy.

Just one gamers opinion.

[sonic989]

i will use your name to say the word ( hate )
really you are a jake@ss you idiot
and you have zero respect to the other fans
iam a sony fan and not going to say anything bad about the wii at all
but i will say about you
you dumb baby brain
i bet you have 20 IQ points at maximum
and the truth is you cant force all the people to play a 700 MHZ system honestly i hate the faaaaaaaaaar weaker systems ( the ps2 wasnt faaaaaaaaaaar weaker you ps2 dumb comparer ) so go and cry you b1tch
and @ sidar
you deserve the respect man you are saying your opinion and not forcing any body
but try to take the things a lot easier
i mean simply buy the game weather it got 2 or 7 or 10 doesnt matter
anyway i will not play it since iam a sony fan and i own sony's systems but that what i will do if i like a game

[tiamat5]

Before you stomp on my head I would like to begin by saying i liked Nintendo. It brings me almost to tears to see what they have become. Nintendo never had to resort to blood and cursing to make a hardcore game. Bionic Commando and Strider where hardcore and avoided such things. Saying this Conduit does not look good. It looks bad even for an early build.If you can't even impress reviewers with an early build of a game you have most already lost. The graphics and gameplay look like Golden Eye on the N64. And I have no doubt knowing Nintendo that the game will be as generic as it gets when it comes to weapons, story and enemies.And as someone pointed out more then half the owners of a Wii have either an X-box 360 or a PS3 as well. So Nintendo will be in direct competition with Gears of War, Resistance 2, Killzone 2 and Halo 3. Why should I waste money on the Conduit when I could buy anyone of these games that do everything better and with better graphics.A warning to those who support Nintendo. Between the being beaten by Sony in sales in Japan,their stocks lowering, them losing publishers and the low sales of what was to be their best games like Madworld, Nintendo's future isn't looking so bright anymore.

[avantgarde84]

"Nintendo's future isn't looking so bright anymore"

haha do some research and stop bringing up just the bad. You forgot to mention that Nintendo is YOY better than it was last year in NA and Europe.

[SinnedNogara]

You sound like another user, tmt45. Similar name. Something tells me you have two accounts?? That is low.

You don't give review scores for a game that isn't finished. Or a game you haven't finished (that is why my Dead Rising: Chop Till You Drop isn't done yet, and note it is a rental). The story won't be generic when it is inspired by fvcking Cloverfield, They Live, etc. The game will be very fun.

Oh and by the way, Halo 3 is VERY generic. The story is generic (The aliens have invaded Earth, quick, get the super-soldier!!!!), the gameplay is generic (Equipment is kind of useless if you miss), and the environment. I would give the game a 7.5. It doesn't deserve GOTY for 2007. That would be CoD 4, Super Mario Galaxy, or BioShock.

Wii games sell slow (OK, why do I have to keep saying that!!! It is annoying!!) Look at Call of Duty: WaW. It sold 40,000 for the Wii in it's opening week. Now it has sold 1.07 million.

If blood and gore don't have to be in a hardcore game, why are you dissing Nintendo!! Did you touch Super Mario Galaxy???

Funny how like 50 sites like the game and 3 people complain about it because it is on the Wii!

[Shoko]

1) You shouldn't give a game a score if it's not done.
2) The controls are bad? That makes no sense. You can change the controls to however you like them! So how are they bad!?
3) The story sucks? HE HASN'T BEATEN THE WHOLE GAME

4) The game is generic? Since when has Generic been bad in the first place?
5) HALO 3 AND ESPECIALLY KILLZONE 2 IS ABOUT AS GENERIC AS YOU CAN GET.
6) Actually, if you would research things about the game, you'd see how it's not generic.

I would absolutely LOVE to see someone counter those points. Please do.........and make yourself look like a fool.

[SinnedNogara]

Maybe he is high on weed from 420?? You never know.

If I reviewed games I haven't completed, I would have 15 games in my list (Dead Rising is not even close to being completed yet, expect the review in May).

I know the game will be good, because I put my trust in High Voltage. If I get the game in the mail, and it sucks, then I will be very disappointed. But I know that will not happen.

I really would like him to do a review, you know, when he is not high.

[avantgarde84]

i love flamebait articles

[caladbolg777]

I don't. And I can't even say that "I do" sarcastically.

[Oztheboss]

Hahahaha, "kalkonkultig" :D

Couldn't translate that, could you? You darned Yanks!

[lucifon]

To be honest it sounds like he's speaking honestly about the game in relative to shooters on a whole rather than just wii shooters - which is how the game should be viewed rather in comparison to other shooters on the market.

Afterall its just his opinion. Game certainly looks like it has potential but looks and playing are a totally different thing. We will have to see in the coming days.

[heroicjanitor]

It is definitely fair.

[Gr81]

And reviews are already coming out? In all honesty though, I expect this game to get poor scores from many sites that are Anti-Wii, yes they do exist. I think what this game represents is seen as a threat. I've had hands on time with the game and if this guy is complaining about the controls he must clearly have some limitations as a gamer. Controls for Metroid Prime 3 blew away any FPS on competing consoles and made dual analogue feel archaic..The Conduit controls BETTER than Prime 3 and are customizable to a T. If he is going to criticise something it most certainly can't be the controls as that is a definite reach. Did this guy have a problem with KZ2's controls? Considering they want the sluggish weapons to move sluggishly..yeah gimme a break.

I'm not saying the game is great or crap, bu it seems like a reach to review a game based on a preview..what? Besides, I'm one who trusts my own judgements not those fed to me by ANY media outlet.

[ChickeyCantor]

" I'm not saying the game is great or crap, bu it seems like a reach to review a game based on a preview..what?"
Exactly what i said, And im being called a rabid fanboy.

Its utterly pathetic.

[deno]

I never pay attention to reviews any more, nor respect them. Day one purchase for me, when this game comes out. I have it reserved.

[Sony Rep]

Save me a spot in line, will you? I don't want stock to run out

hahaha. J/k. What line...?

[Anon1974]

:)
I kid..I kid. I can't figure out for the life of me why certain games sell on the Wii and why other's are completely ignored.
What kind of God would allow Cooking Mama and Metroid to sell almost the same amount of copies?

[lizard81288]

aren't most FPS this way?

they also didn't go into detail either, from what i've read.
at least it will have wi-fi. hopefully Mario kart wi-fi, and not brawl or....every other game that had wifi play.

the game looks good, lets see what the finished game plays like though.

[phantomexe]

Yea this is kind of off here.I mean the game not out and the sites that have played a good bit of it say it's great.Kind of odd this 1 guy here says it's lame when really he's not played the game to full.This is the kind of news that has been going on for the past week.Wiiware games not makeing money,that turned out to be untrue pur over sites.Madworld they gave us 1 day sales and the PS3 guys were all over that.When the know that wii games sell better over time.Need i go on...I've been comeing to this site for awhile and there are people on this site that look for that news that fuels this crap.I can give you 1 name now right off the top of my head but more then likey it be the last time N4g would let me post here.Yes N4G is a PS3 fansite,yes i do come here for ps3 news,and yes this site has alwasy been heavy ps3 fanboys.There are very few gamers on this site.The conduit is a day 1 buy for me,theres alot of resons why but for 1 it was made by gamers.

[adnanrules]

lol i dont see what the big deal is reviews are just somenes opinion they can be wrong like thye have with many games god hand for one, gta4 for another geez whats the big deal

[hiroleaf]

the conduit should have went with a different art style but that's just my opinion still looks mediocre at best nothing to be excited about

[CobraKai]

Things can change up to the point of release. Final judgment should be reserved for the final game.

[Diselage]

Wish they could come out with a decent mature game on the Wii, maybe you would see the sales everyone keeps wondering about.

[Cajun Chicken]

Its called Madworld and its freaking brilliant, but currently not selling as anticipated.

[SinnedNogara]

Exactly, MadWorld is not selling into the 100,000s, yet.

[Jadaking]

Nintendo is looking kinda bad when it comes to games. Everytime theres some sort of discussion between consoles nintendo fanboys instead of pointing out all the great games their console has, they can only point at numbers. That doesnt matter. I dont give a fvck how much the consoles are selling. Im not making any of their money. All i care about is if there any good games out for the systems, but apparently the only things you guys can do is just tell us how much the console is selling. This is a news site for games, not CEO's.

[N4g_null]

We told you about the games but all you want to do is act like a fanboy. Seriously I hope you guys don't buy the conduit and keep buying HD games because we don't need noobs online.

If you don't like what is coming out then why even post here? Oh so you can make believe this game will not be fun. Hey what ever make you happy man.

Just because there are no fanboys here at N4G does not mean people will not like this game. Hell RS sold a million and it was crushed by review scores.

FPS have been waiting for this to happen for a while. Maybe online fanboy don't like stuff like this but right now I tend to respect halo 3 players more than PS3 owners since it's hyped game did get 8 million copies sold and it was pretty generic also.

It seems most of you are casual FPS fans that do not understand why this is big. Most of you haven't really played metroid 3 either it seems.

Hey it may come out with a bang but bang or not it will sell for a while because it can be played on your grand mas Wii LOL and over at your GF house assuming you guys do like girls. Hell she may even beat you at it since she may have more coordination with physical controls like aiming rather than analog spam.

Lots of you will not like this because most of you don't really like to lose. If you though the competition was tough on the HD console wait till you get on the Wii LOL these guys are pretty good for "casual players".

I mean really don't say it bring it. I've beat plenty of xbox owners with out lots of practice LOL on halo 3, etc. It really is that slow to me.

[skare13]

Todays top story -
Local nobody bashes wii game for web hits.

[Shoko]

You gotta admit that this is a VERY inaccurate score. If he think it's generic and bland, that's OK, and that's his opinion. But notice what he says is bad about the game: The controls and the story, which are the stronger points of the game in the first place. 1) The whole "controls are bad" stuff is pure BS. Fact why: You can customize the controls to however you like them, so how could they be bad? See how inaccurate he is? 2) He says the story sucks, yet he hasn't played the full game. That makes no sense at all. C'mon guys, you know this is all BS

If he doesn't like the game, that's completely fine, but he slammed it in the completely wrong areas.

And stop saying the game is generic. If you think it is, fine, but it really doesn't matter. If you're a Microsoft Fanboy, HALO IS GENERIC (Single-player-wise), if you are a Sony Fanboy, KILLZONE 2 IS HELLA GENERIC.

SOME OF THE BEST SHOOTERS EVER ARE GENERIC!! As if Killzone 2 being generic doesn't matter, yet when a Wii FPS pops up then it does.

Stop being Fanboys.

[phantomexe]

More then likey they never read it.There fanboys they seen a shot to bash something wii and they were all over it.Your right Shoko on everything.Welcome to N4PS3

[mastiffchild]

I've said it befire but it bears saying again. What HVS are tring to do is either portayed as an honourable quest to up the ante on the tech used for Wii visuals ansd physics OR looked on as a joke conmpared to games on more powerful systems that take the tricks new to Wii as red in even the most average PS360 game.

I can't believe the controls have suddenly become terrible though as having played a very early build my, trusted friend(and keyboard/mouse fanatic) said post Liepzig that this game had the nost accurate, tunable and rewarding FPS controls of any console FPS evr and appraoched a decent gaming mouse set up when tuned to his preference. Why would HVS change that?

On the way it actually looks-I do think the artstyle is one of it's weal points and they should have made a beter loking world than the clashing neon and brown one they decided on(but I haven't seen that many levels yet and comparing any games artstyle to MP3 is a tough one seeing as Metroid Prime games are sublime n that dept every time.

It shouldn't be judged against games on HD consoles directly and IIRC that comparison is norn of a couple of punters mistaking it for a 360 game when they saw it at last E3 AND because HVS said they thought Wii owners should get some of the things seen as standard on PS360-they NEVER dared say they were competing with Farcry2 or KZ2 for one second.

Pweople Vs aliens as a prmise is a little tired though and will get called generic but perhaps it's fairer to compare Conduit with the first Halo at the same relative atage in the Wii's and original Xboxs lifecycle-they aim to do the same things for their systems imo and if the online is good and the story nearly OK(sounding like a Halo game yet?) then surely it deserves, in the wash, sinilar praise to what Bungie got back then. Yes things have moved on but the Conduit is trying to fill a very similar gap and Halo was never pretty or very original and that hasn't stopped millions(including myself) buying those games has it?

I worry over the artstyle AND leve; design but if the MP is lag free it just will not matter as long as enough Wii owners support it. Wii shooters were never going straight from the gimped WaW version we got to something as polished and MP addictive as KZ2 and to expect a dev on their first solo project to pull ip every tree in sight is daft and they shouldn't have to feel like the sword of Damacles hangs over them for it either.

And what if Sidar wants the game to be good, why can't he? Yeah he likes his Wi but he wants good games for it and surely that's what matters and, as he said, it is odd to score a preview build in this way and the hubbub if they did the same to KZ2 or do it to ODST would be deafening, imo.

[N4g_null]

After seeing the We don't like motion controls parade from the HD gamers when the rumor about motion controls popped up again I understand the back lash.

These guys love analog controls and are actually afraid of PC FPS games because they do take skill. I don't think I'll need a quick 180 turn for this game and that will make me play differently yet I'm sure my cursor will be moving a lot faster than most people once a get some practice.

The game controls so well your grand mother,GF ,kids may just whip a lot of you LOL. Most of these guys are dads too LOL. Which is even more funnier.

All of those years of playing dual stick will go down the drain! There are tons of quake player waiting for this game and any other game that wants to out do them.

All we want is a art that is good enough and great control. I could be shooting the crew from family guy and still not care as long as the controls are this good. If you though res evil wii mote aiming was good wait till you get this game really.

Like every thing this gen with the Wii. The HD guys point figures and claim at the beginning that it will not sell yet the gamers just go and buy it while it silently sells a cool million. Not bad if you ask me.

Seriously this reminds me of when PC gamer tried to review snes games LOL.

[Gr81]

Re-reading many of the comments on here with your mob mentality on Sidar really need to stop. If all you are going to bring to the table is unwarranted unintelligible rubbish, then it'd be best not to post at all. Criticisms are always and definitely welcome, but man things got really ridiculous. It almost makes it unbearable to even be a part of this site sometimes.

If it weren't for the people I have tracked, there'd be no reason to post here. I've said it once I'll say it again, it seems the Wii crowd doesn't spend much time in news posts that don't concern the Wii but owners of the PS3 are seemingly obsessed with a system they deem a toy.

Sidar doesn't need no backup as he has held his own quite fine on this thread as well as numerous ones before, but since he is out of bubbles feel free to take any issues you have with him on this particular post, with me now.

[N4g_null]

Man when this game comes out every one I know in the dev community will be all over it. Testing the online mostly. It's going to be fun breaking this game down on what they can do better and what not but seriously the airport map impressed me a lot because I did get to watch some one play that map before. The shaders are pretty impressive even if you don't like the art.

The game reminds me of golden eye so much though which is a good thing.

[I am Legend]

Never heard of it.

[Gr81]

It really does have that feel to it. I was at Comic Con and got some hands on time with it, it really does feel like something special. You can tell that HVS put alot of effort behind this title. I trust I will be seeing you online come June?;)

[N4g_null]

I will be there and we will be tearing this game apart studying it and what can be done better and also because it's going to be a good game. I'm glad they listen when other told them we wanted a challenge offline also. The wii mote is so good other map lay outs become too easy. I will be there along with my weekly quake 3 sessions and FPS line up LOL.

Mario kart was fun but this is what I'm all about! We have lots of stress to release!

[TriforceLightning]

I thought this site was ruled by biased opinions of HD console loyalists but certain members have given me hope for a better N4G.I salute you Sidar, Seferoth75, Mr.Nintendo,Shoko and Arius Dion.Smart guys right here!

On topic
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The Conduit is very dear to me as a gamer because it stands as game for gamers made by gamers and its developers should be commended for their dedication to this project.Gamereactor is a notorious den of console fanboy loyalism so this preview/review build they had was not treated with a unbiased mindset.

If you wish to discuss this game and any other game, feel free to contact me on Twitter.

[KwietStorm_BLM]

The funniest thing about this game is, well it's the game itself, but I thought it was a bad joke when watching those tech demo videos. They were talking about things like bump mapping, reflective light sources, depth of field, etc. I didn't even know how to react at first, and then I couldn't stop laughing. It was 2008, and they were boasting these years old tech tricks that have long been standard actually, and it doesn't even look good. Poor little Wii. You couldn't buy me that system with your own money.

[FistOfFury]

PREVIEW BUILD...
"Preliminary analysis?"

You can't be serious.

Gamereactor is a joke.

[jeseth]

Is anyone really going to be surprised? The 360 and PS3 clearly have the best exclusive and 3rd party games this generation. Anyone who believes otherwise is just fooling themselves.

http://www.joystiq.com/2009...

Its too bad Mad World isn't selling better. Now that is a fun game! But for the most part . . . Wii games really suck.

[Matpan]

The game looks PS2... maybe it is fun to play...
I don´t own a wii... moving along....

BTW: Developers said this to be on par with next gen technically or something like that? even hinted it?... My god. They must be blind dorks, or completely in denial.

[Jink]

That reviewer is dumb and has no gameplay judgment fundamentals to support whatever he was thinking. Games are fun for the way they are played, not for the graphics. Who cares about an engine? An engine alone doesn't make the gameplay scheme good. And the solid proof of my statement is, how much fun old NES, Sega Master System, etc games where, than today's "all-wow-out-loud-just-gr aphic" games.

Long live the 8-bits era!!!

[skare13]

you can't be a fanboy here ( N4G ), you got to watch what you say. (only facts ). But every time i come here, it's all about the end of something. the 360 doesn't have the power, ps3 is doomed, the wii is failing in japan. with story like those you got two ways you can go. If you defend your a fanboy if you agree your a different type of fanboy.
I'll say this, all three (PS3 XBOX360, and the Wii) have their problems. (and they are really big problems). so you can bash anyone, but you can't review something that isn't finish or even out yet.

[FinalomegaS]

Anti-Nintendo preview, giving their 2cents about a game they where skeptical with.

Thanks but no thanks, I'll wait for someone we actually know to give a proper preview/review.

We have so many sites out there that have played this and gave it positive feedback, just that it might be to hard.

Let's look at what a FPS really is;

- control*,gameplay,Frames-per-s ec ( more PC)
- multiplayer/online
- graphics/art style
- story

Now some of us are FPS PC players and we are spoiled, yes we are but for consoles I think control have always been an issue, now they get to use the Wii-mote..This is the big selling point for me, honestly I press the skip button for story because to me most FPS story are generic( same old and same old mission) just give me a gun and tell me to o kill something already lol.

I'll wait for IGN, and the rest of the Big sites to give a proper review, but I most likely will buy this.

[phantomexe]

This game seems like a game built by gamers for gamers.I for one look forward to it.Wiimote is the closest thing to mouse and keyboard.I own a Ps3 and a wii and games don't need to be in HD to be fun.Its a shame sidar ran out of bubbles.

[FinalomegaS]

true that.

[1ikedamaster]

Seems like a really fun and great game regardless of the naysayers like on this post and gamerzone.

[bigjclassic]

I'll wait until the game comes out to judge. Plus the translation was terrible on the review. Cant wait till it drops.

[TriforceLightning]

The Wii has the best controls for an FPS next to a mouse and keyboard.Dual analog is old hat and it shows.HVS made America's Army, that alone should get any FPS fan hype about this.

Gamers play games, fanboys get played.

I am neither hardcore nor casual.I am a gamer and I own a Wii.

[kesvalk]

sigh you guys are sooo naive...

they only want to get hits...
and by the looks of it, they got it...