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Why "The Conduit" Will Have Trouble: The Wii and Hardcore Games.

Gamasutra writes: "With the recently announced sales figures for Madworld clocking in at a measly 66,000, the pile of evidence that hardcore games can't succeed on the Wii is getting larger. Or so it would seem.

The refrain I normally hear from analysts and pundits is that hardcore gamers aren't interested in the Wii. They claim the large user base is concentrated around casual gamers and children. What else could explain why critically acclaimed games made for hardcore audiences such as No More Heroes haven't managed to sell well? "

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Iceman1005502d ago

Yeah right first of all this is a shooter, and secondly it has online a feature that people will buy it for if nothing else.

SinnedNogara5502d ago

The game will sell very slowly. And I have hopes that the game will sell more than RE4: Wii edition (1.56 million) because of it's T rating and the fact it has so many features. Single player, online multiplayer, it will sell. The game will be great, it is obvious when a game has such a devoted team.

If you are going to buy it, leave a reply that states "I Will Buy The Game".

N4g_null5501d ago

You will not get many replies because this is not a nintendo site at all LOL.

I will be on there though day one. We will not have to bicker with all these other fanboys then we will have a great game to plow thru. I'm getting a golden next gen feel from this one and even better a new flavor of that. The guys at HVS should be really proud of this game and hopefully they all stay with HVS after this game!

SinnedNogara5501d ago

True. Still, I have 2 disagrees and no one has replied. I also know that most of the Wii fans will buy it, I just want to know.

TheBand1t5501d ago

You get a bubble because phantom disagree fairies piss me off.

n4f5501d ago

you say because its got a t for teen in rating. does it really matter ratter or not the rating will affect the selling? did zelda sell low because its got a ''t'' or mario even lower because its got an ''E''?
btw i did not disagree

Cenobia5501d ago

He means that The Conduit will have better sales because its rated T rather than M. Many developers try to hit the T rating because it gets a larger part of the market. M games automatically reduce the potential market area by excluding an age range that is very interested in video games.

Mario and Zelda woldn't have sold as well with an M rating (although I can't really picture an M rated Mario, and when I do it's hilarious). The Wii's market as a whole is largely uninterested in M rated games because it panders to the casual gamer (I'm not saying its bad or doesn't have hardcore games, its just that is how it is marketed and sold).

And @mrnintendo96

I'll probably make my younger brother buy it and play it on his console. Does that count?

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Gr815501d ago (Edited 5501d ago )

We are getting plenty of garbage articles lately. I didn't know No More Heroes sold badly..Hell, it has a sequel in the pipeline, and I do believe that game had a smaller opening week than Madworld. If you are going to discount the games that prove third parties and "hardcore" games do sell on the system then don't even bother writing such a nonsensical article. I don't even know what a "Hardcore" game is anyway.

Matter of fact, using logic like this; lets not forget that game "wanted" just belly flopped as well as The God Father 2, I guess those type of games have no home on the HD consoles either.

SinnedNogara5501d ago

Exactly. No More Heroes sold 40,000 units, and it is getting a sequel. MadWorld is going to become a franchise in fact. I can't wait for a DSi game made up of BloodBath minigames and a sequel with online modes.

Seferoth755501d ago

I wonder where that guy was when Killer 7 and Okami crashed on PS2? How did it affect the PS2 and its owners? Nothing changed.

Find one core game that isnt selling on Wii and should be and I'll believe this BS but pulling up a game like Madworld as if it has mainstream appeal is just ludicrous and proves the writer has very little comprehension of gaming as a whole.

NMH, Madworld, Killer 7, Okami, those are all great titles but they do not have mainstream appeal. So they fail. Those same games would have been hits in the Nes,SNes days of gaming, but thanks to PS era gamers not being real gamers, they now fail.

These guys are not going to buy black and white games. They need their WW2 setting. Their FPS, Maddens and Need for Speed, but will never touch a titles like Madworld.

Also titles like those havent sold since the PS era began. Probably never will. However Conduit is a FPS and should have mainstream appeal. Wont be the same case with it. Granted it is a new IP so its not going to be pulling Mario numbers or GTA numbers but it will be a million seller or more.

jackdoe5501d ago

Read the fvcking article. What you say has nothing to do with what the author has to say.

Seferoth755501d ago

Clearly you should take you own advice. Kinda hard to miss the 66k for Madworld he brings up.

Anon19745501d ago (Edited 5501d ago )

Ok, first off, Killer 7 was a rail shooter that met with very mediocre reviews. I think the game itself is probably an indication of why it didn't sell on either the PS2 or Gamecube.

Now, Okami was a victim of being released right before the PS3 and was understandably lost in the hype. Still, it sold more on the PS2 than it did on the Wii.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

And you want core games that aren't selling on the Wii? How about Final Fantasy: Echoes of Time. It's freakn Final Fantasy and it can't break 100,000 in over a month. How about Pro Evo Soccer 2009? That's a huge game that hasn't broke 100,000 in a month. It's got a ways before it catches up to the almost 2 million the PS3 version moved.

How about the eagerly anticipated Dead Rising: Chop till you drop. Barely 30,000 in it's first week and it sits barely at 100,00 now. Tenchu flopped as well. How about Rock Band 2? Oh, being outsold by the PS3 version, eh? Tomb Raider bombed.
So, what is selling on the Wii? Raving Rabbids TV Party? Wii Music? Cake Mania: In the Mix? Are these the type of "mainstream appeal" games the Wii sells?
Face facts. You're dead ass wrong.

TheBand1t5501d ago

PS era doesn't have real gamers, eh? So I guess I'm not teh real gamer because I have a preference for the PS brand

By the way, wouldn't MadWorld, NMH, and Killer7 suited the Sega Genesis more than the SNES? I mean, the SNES was a helluva lot more family friendly than the Genesis.

N4g_null5501d ago

Seferoth75 man just give up and let them believe what they want. It's only 20 million of them any way. They are so hardcore that even res evil barely sells 1.5 million on their systems.

The game is going to be fun too it's really too bad these guys care more about the Wii failing that playing good games. Oh well it sucks to be them. I'll see you online man.

jackdoe5501d ago

Sigh. He brings up the 66,000 as a fvcking aside. That is NOT the point of the article and you would know it if you read the fvcking article.

Nugan5501d ago

Darkride, I don't disagree with everything you said, but I do think you neglect a few points.

Okami did, in fact, sell more on the PS2 than the Wii, but when it was released on the PS2 it was not a two year old port of a game that had already flopped with no significant new content and--judging from my experiences with the Wii version--occasionally wonky paintbrush controls. Mind you, I doubt the game would have been hugely successful if it had been released on the Wii originally, but it is hard to judge how many individuals did not buy the Wii version because they already owned the PS2 version.

Final Fantasy: Echoes of Time was a critically panned direct port of a DS game. Since the graphics were identical and the interface was better on the DS there simply was no compelling reason whatsoever to buy it on the Wii. Hell, the Wii version did not even add local (one console) multiplayer. Hardly a standard bearer for "core" gaming.

Pro Evo Soccer 09? Tell me, do soccer games generally sell in massive quantities in the US market? Are the 360 and PS3 soccer titles scoring sales comparable to the Madden, Blitz, or Tiger Woods series? I doubt it.

Dead Rising: Chop Til You Drop disintegrated in the atmosphere. It was already reduced to ash by reports of its low zombie count, simplified gameplay, and half-finished graphic before it came anywhere close to touching down in stores. Also, when it was released, it was quickly dismissed by critics. The fact that it failed is more an argument again shoddy cash-in ports (same fo Echoes of Times) than anything else.

You may very well be right about Rock Band 2. I don't follow music games, so I'm not sure about comparable sales. I do, however, remember reports about the Wii version of at least one of the Guitar Hero titles outselling its HD cunterparts.

Last I heard Wii Music was a surprise flop, particularly compared to the other titles in Nintendo's Wii series. I have no idea about Raving Rabbids TV Party, but I imagine you're right about it selling well, as the other entries in the series have been fairly successful. Has Cake Mania even been out long enough for their to be solid sales numbers? I haven't heard anything about it being particularly successful.

Meanwhile, a number of critically praised games (No More Heroes, Boom Blox, de Blob) have gone on to sell impressively (particularly considering their low profile and limited advertising) after low initial sales. Even several Nintendo first party titles (most notably Super Mario Galaxy) have experienced a similar slow road to success.

That's not to say that some good games haven't failed on the Wii. Capcom got burned twice (Zack & Wiki, Okami). However, most of the third party games scoring 80% or higher on Metacritic have actually been profitable, and several (NMH, BB) already have sequels in development.

Cenobia5501d ago

Yeeeeeeah....

Don't act like the Playstation brand is some kind of handicap to innovation. I've seen a lot of innovation this gen from the PS3, especially in PSN. What Wii games would you call innovative? And mandatory waggle doesn't make a game innovative...

And you're contradicting yourself. You say Okami doesn't sell well because it doesn't have mainstream appeal, and them you say the PS era killed innovation... If nobody buys it on the Wii because it isn't "mainstream," then how does that make the Nintendo audience any better?

Or am I misunderstanding you? Is it that you're just yelling at kids to get off your lawn or something?

Gamers not being real gamers? Wtf does that even mean?

Mahr5501d ago

I'd just like to add a couple things to Nugan's post:

Review-wise, Killer7 scored 74 on Metacritic for the Gamecube and 70 on the PS2.

http://www.metacritic.com/g...
http://www.metacritic.com/g...

For comparison purposes, Tenchu and Tomb Raider both got 70s.

http://www.metacritic.com/g...

http://www.metacritic.com/g...

Final Fantasy: Echoes of Time got a 65.

http://www.metacritic.com/g...

And Dead Rising: Chop Till You Drop has a 62.

http://www.metacritic.com/g...

Secondly, I'd really like to ask what site anyone's been on where people were actually 'eagerly anticipating' that game?

http://kotaku.com/5060665/d...

http://www.gamepro.com/arti...

http://www.websitetoolbox.c...

http://www.vgcats.com/comic...

"How about Rock Band 2? Oh, being outsold by the PS3 version, eh"

Surely you're not trying to assert that musician simulators don't do well on the Wii. One only has to look at the Guitar Hero franchise to know that's not the case.

"So, what is selling on the Wii? ...Cake Mania: In the Mix?"

Er, if you believe VG Chartz, Cake Mania: In the Mix has sold all of 30,000 copies since November.

http://www.vgchartz.com/gam...

sonic9895501d ago

did you learn anything at school other than okami and killer ( sh1t ) 7 on PS2 .
you are the real joke here
every time the same thing okami okami wwwooooooow idiot
even GTA couldnt sell will ON DS ( iam not hatein here at all)
but this guy got on my nervus
and i want to say really no need to bash any system just do what i do playing on MY PS3 or PSP and surf the web for SONY's cool news or the new games and thats it

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panasonic235501d ago

hardcores games can't sell super smash bro say hi 8million more than any ps3 games.

butterfinger5501d ago

That comment was just lame. Let's compare Wii sales to 360 sales now as well.

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