Faulty Tech...Now Acceptable?

Badassgamer writes "Microsoft launched the Xbox 360 back in 2005, it was the only HD console on the market, looked great, played all sorts of media, and was an all round great product, except for one thing, it had such a high failure rate."

[ShabzS]

''If you went online looking for a suitable TV to buy, and people told you of a particular TV that had a failure rate as high as 33%, would you go out and buy that TV? or if you had already bought this said TV, and it kicks the bucket midway through a movie, would you go back and buy the TV again?I'm guessing you won't, so how come in the case of Microsoft's Xbox 360 people are prepared to shell out cash for what is largely a broken console?''

its coz theres only ONE Microsoft xbox 360 unlike the gazzilion tv's and the reason to go get another is the 2000$ worth of game library u bought...

[Hellsvacancy]

My pot dealers on her 4th 360 and i keep tellin her 2 buy a Ps3 (she can afford it) and she keeps sayin no - and 4 the life of me i dont understand y

I guess its probably summin 2do with that fact that she owns like 50+ Xbox games if she jumps ship 2 the Ps3 she will hav 2 start all over again and face it ive seen 360 games sellin 4 under £5 in sum shops near where i live so y would she want 2

So i guess ive just answered my own question - A bubble 2 me lol

[ChampIDC]

I think the reason it's more accepted than it should be is the fact that MS softened the blow by giving the extended warranty. The RROD is still quite inexcusable, but people seem to not care so much when they get free repairs. Surprisingly, I haven't had a RROD myself in the 2 years I've owned a 360. I guess I'm due...

Edit: I don't get why people are disagreeing with me. It's not like I'm defending the RROD. I'm just saying some people probably accept it because of the warranty.

[lowcarb]

Well maybe your pot dealer is like me and doesn't like the games that PS3 has to offer as far as exclusives. Also I love Live and always compare games on my 360 to games on my brothers PS3 and don't like how the PS3 games look. It's just a matter of choice really, (not saying the PS3 is bad) and many of us just like the 360 lineup. The failure issues were ashame, and MS better get it right next gen if they plan to keep customers.

[morganfell]

I like this analogy. Would you buy a ticket on an airline that had a 33% failure rate?

Would you buy a car that had a 33% failure rate if it had various reasons for dying but one most prominent reason in particular caused the engine to lock up. For that reason they car maker offered a 3 year warranty. During the time the car was in for repair you had to pay for your own rental car.

The rest of the issues that caused the car to stop running were a 1 year warranty. And one particular problem with the car - it cuts it's own tires, and such tire cutting is documented is a defect that the car maker pretended did not exist.

If this car manufacturer talked about winning the auto war by being first to market would you blame the rush? And if that same automaker stated they would be first to market on the next generation of autos would you be more hesitant to buy that next time?

[Jaces]

$2000 worth of games to buy....including multiplat, yea. Exclusives that are worth a pretty penny, no. I'm still on the hunt for 7 great exclusives for the 360 before I buy one and I'm still having trouble just finding 4.

Back on topic....this is the main reason I've yet to buy a 360 (aside from the lack of games). I refuse to buy a faulty system.

[StayHigh]

There only one xbox360? Don't you know there a system called the PS3..lol.Xbox fans think buying cheap stuff is the way of saving money but you end up spending hundredths of dollars on it in the end..

You be amaze how many 360 owners say " if it break on me ill go buy another one" Well i don't is there money ..haha..i will never get an 360 till they fixed their faulty hardware..and its at least 150 dollars..I hate paying for xboxlive and over price accessories..

[ShabzS]

whats does it matter if the current library you own is multiplat or exclusive... point is if ur 360 dies.. those games have gone to a waste unless u buy a new console..

and ur reason to not buy a 360 is ur reason alone dude... coz for me the only reason to buy a ps3 would be metal gear 4.. but 360 was a better choice FOR ME coz of gears and fable

[Jaces]

I get you, but wouldn't someone learn their lesson and buy the reliable system with the same multiplat games and equally awesome exclusives?

Trust me, a $50 more expensive system isn't going to kill you.

[Anon1974]

Just look at the 360's sales. The PS3, even with a higher price point has been selling far faster from launch than the 360 ever did and the Wii's been a monster in sales.
Before the price cut 360 sales had shown almost zero growth before the price cut based on the NPD numbers. I think it's safe to say that the the high failure rate isn't acceptable by consumers, otherwise the 360 would be flying off the shelves. Instead the Wii has run away and the PS3 has sold 3 million more consoles worldwide than the 360 had at this point in it's life-cycle despite a high price and faltering economic conditions.

I like the 360, but I have to wonder what the install base would look like right now if the 360 worked like it was supposed to.

[Kushan]

You're all conveniently forgetting that MS gives you a 3 year warranty, so it doesn't actually cost you anything, just time.
Not saying it's acceptable, I'd be pissed if my 360 died all the same, I'm just saying that a lot of your analogies don't add up.

[Domenikos]

Smart move ;)

[rambi80]

piracy sells consoles too

A lot of ppl with RROD could not send their hacked consoles back for that reason + had to fix it themselves or replace it.

Hence, even the failure rate of 30% may be low

[Jaces]

Warranties are great but it doesn't make anything better.

It's like buying something at Best Buy and they say were going to give you a 3-year warranty because it will break, it's just a matter of time.

I'd return it in a heartbeat. I'm not one for unreliable equipment, specially if there's nothing on that system that makes it a must buy.

Don't get me wrong but there are some pretty great games I'd love to play but nothing of utmost importance.

That's just me though.

[ShabzS]

if i dont buy a 360 then how else am i going to finish the halo series that i'v been playing for seven years... its not just about exclusives its about finishing what you started 7 8 yrs ago on another console... exactly the reason why i will be buying a ps3 in a month .. i have to finish the metal gears story.. even syphon filer when it comes out

[UltimateIdiot911]

Time is money.

[blackpanther25]

Its funny cause my friend just bought another 360 (his old one was hacked and it got RROD) and he wants me to get another one as well. I told him no, because my first one RROD and it had a disk scratching problem. I for one i am not willing to buy another one and then pay for live again just to play one game(Halo 3). I did tell him that if he gets a ps3 I'll buy a 360.

[JokesOnYou]

"Many people choose not to delve deeper into the mysterious 'failure rate' that surrounds the Xbox 360 gaming console, some just accept it and move on, other ignore the problem and act like it doesn't exist. What I find funny is, Microsoft has gotten away with releasing a faulty product."

-OK where do I start, first of all the 360 has recieved massive scrutiny and coverage of the high failure rate, the fact that he says it was as high as 33% tells me his agenda because thats some random guys guess that only the sdf has confirmed. Then who the hell is ignoring, I haven't personally had RROD(own a Premium for 2 yrs, sold it got an Elite) but I know friends who did have problems and they sure as hell didn't ignore it, and just look at the firestorm that went on for about 6 mo to 1 yr after launch on the forums and media blasting microsoft for the failures. Then when he say's micro has gotten away with RROD, I can't help but laugh at his true colors showing, that took a massive financial loss, they made a free 3 yr warranty, and its been a major PR disaster where everybody KNOWS about it, that definitely doesn't amount to getting away with RROD, oh but lets analyze a bit further, he means that the 360 STILL survived RROD and is still very popular among gamers, but why would that bother a normal gamer, IF you only own a ps3 and you love it, whats the problem?= sounds like the words of a jealous sony loyalist who hates the success of the 360. lmfao

JOY

[JasonXE]

warranty.

If i had to pay 160 buxs for repairs no matter how small the failure rate (which has to be higher than 1% by now) then i be pissed. Not like Im not after the dealing with the rrod twice but i didn't pay 160 buxs for it or anything except time.

[UltimateIdiot911]

You forget that there are other problems on the 360 also that the 3 years warranty does not cover. Will you be willing to pay after the 3 years warranty is over and get a RROD because the chances of getting RROD after the 3 years warranty is still higher than the chance of getting a problem on the PS3 within its 3 year.

[4Sh0w]

Granted they are significantly lower than 360 but from my own personal experience 3 of the 7 or 8 friends I know with a ps3 have had problems getting a yellow light and 1 of them console just wouldn't turn on at all. He was pissed about paying for repairs and he says there are a growing amount of people with similiar complaints. I'm just lucky I guess both my consoles are working fine. I do however think its very foolish to imply that Microsoft is getting a break for they failure rate, NO gamers just aren't as critical as N4G hardcore crowd, they lose a bit of gaming time but get it fixed for free, whats ironic is our favorite console ps2 had its fair share of failures too, yet it seems many of you waving the finger as microsoft, paid to repair your ps2 or brought another one.

Judging by this sites mood I think I'm going to lose some bubbles for suggesting rather fair comments.

[pain777pas]

If you use live you may get sucked in because you can chat to people in every game lobby and in game. There is the listen to any music you want in games which is huge and I really like that for Forza and PGR3. I have now moved on to the PS3, I must say that I don't miss Major Nelson or those live features because I prefer the PS3 features over the 360 ones. Wifi, Bluray, browser, and free online. I know there are many more small features like the SD card slots and the like but whatever. I had about 20 games for the 360 and xbox games that you could play like NG Black, Jade Empire, KOTOR, the Halo's Psychonauts and such. I really found that I was often plugging in my PS2 sometimes because everyone gets on the PS3 about not having games and stuff if you got the 360 when I got it you know that the system was struggling with quality releases for a long time. I played Oblivion only on the 360 for a long time. I became a little bit of a fanboy because I did not want to purchase the PS3. Once RROD came like months within a year of buying this thing and all the peripherals and extras that I bought I was angry. I decided that the PS3 was going to come in and I have not regretted the purchase. A few features lost like in game music switching but I did not really notice it that much though I used it quite often. Sony should intergrate Voice chat across every game soon and then they are for me a better system overall without question. Not one scratched disc. No real glaring problems with the system. exclusives are Varied and fun. Yes fun not intense and annoying........ fun. ME if it stays exclusive is a good reason to keep the 360 and play JE or Kotor while your at it unless you have a capable PC. You can see where I am going with this. Oblivion hyped to be exclusive, gone. Bioshock hyped to be exclusive, gone. Tales of Vesperia, gone. Everygame that I bought the system for that was supposed to be exclusive is gone. Bioware, gone. Bungie, gone. Rares best game so far is Kameo. Fable 2 will be coming to PC so whatever. Keep your heads in the sand.

[UltimateIdiot911]

I'm not going to debubble you. So far, out of 12 of my friends with PS3, none of them had any problem except one of my friend. But that's because he dropped his PS3. As for the PS2, the failure rate was around 16%, and so far none of my friends with launch ps2 had problems with it. The problem was also resolved roughly around 6 months after release.

[JD_Shadow]

Can you PLEASE get though ONE post without saying "Sony loyalists" or "SDF"? I'm starting to wonder if that's all you have to counter some of the claims.

"Anyone who claims they are sick of RROD is a Sony loyalist"
"The SDF is back to try to say that Microsoft had a faulty console that everyone had some issues with before Jasper."

You're trying to catch the author in some sort of "loyalist" trap, and that's really all you ever post in the Gamer Zone. You never give any proof other than your closest friends that could be anyone to counter everything (that you always seem to have an answer for).

Once again, I ask, can you get through ONE post without doing any sort of "calling out"?

[ultimolu]

darkpower, I think everyone should stop using that. It's really demeaning, considering that some 360 fanboys always think the "SDF" is out to get them no matter what.

And yet they're playing XDF pretending that these problems don't even exist, no to mention bringing up the PS2 as if the failure rate was at 100% or something.

[4Sh0w]

UltimateIdiot911, the problem was still occuring as late as 2002 when sony finally settled a lawsuit in Nov 2002, they also were still repairing consoles under that agreement up to 2005, ps2 launched in America in Oct 2000.

Also how you say ps2 failure was 16% so "matter of fact" like is a bit weird, since I've never actually read this, how do you know this?, I would like a link to your source. Thanks.

@pain777pas, why is my head in the sand? I read you're entire post, all the things you mention I like about the ps3, but I also think there is plenty to like about 360, why does those things make the ps3 better than 360 for everybody?, do you think its possible that some may be smart enough to see the value in the ps3 and still prefer the 360? Is it not possible to like them both?

wow I love the fact that this site has a ton of news everyday but jeesh its just too aggressive with the fanboy stuff, why are both sides always trying to push their choices on people who just want to read and comment sensibly about games, I love to read opinions about games and discuss quality gaming topics instead of all the ps3 is doomed, 360 is garbage crap. I don't know but it just makes me cringe everytime I read comments, degrading people for choosing a ps3 or 360, what good does that do?

[lowcarb]

Great post and thanks for pointing that out. If stuff like this would stop gettin approved things would change.

[Megaton]

Wasn't it proven over a year ago that the SDF is run and owned by the Wii60 guys? I guess tin foil hats are in style this spring around N4G.

[ultimolu]

And the cowards disagree!

Cowardly, very cowardly indeed. So it's alright to use Sony loyalists and SDF in the Gamerzone but heaven forbid someone uses XDF, they get tons of disagrees and backlash.

Gotcha.

[Megaton]

Normally I don't respond to idiots/trolls on here (or anywhere on the internet for that matter), but I just thought this was too perfect. JokesOnYou is clamoring about this site being the second coming of the SDF by posting titles of PS3 articles, multiplat articles, and legitimate criticisms of the 360.

I suppose this extremely pro-Gears of War article from the same site, on the front page of N4G, is also vile SDF propaganda.
http://www.n4g.com/gaming/N...

Would be funny watching your delusional little freak show if you guys weren't so Sean Hannity-esque with your "EVERYTHING I DON'T WANNA HEAR IS BIASED AND WRONG!" mentalities.

[Ausbo]

badassgamer really hates microsoft. I wonder which ps3 fanboy on n4g is the badassgamer.

[RememberThe357]

You fail so much...

You go through the head lines of the stories submitted to N4G and pick out the ones that are, in a way, a little bit negative toward the 360. And that confirms the SDF? No, no it doesn't.

I also find it funny that you cal out the "Sony Defense Force" Yet you resemble them to the T. Would it be fair to call you the "Microsoft Defense Force"?

[SaiyanFury]

@1.2

People are disagreeing with you simply because your statement makes perfect sense. Microsoft get away with selling a console with a faulty hardware design because people keep buying it. Repeatedly. The 3 year RRoD warranty extension is in existence just because Microsoft finally had to admit that the console has design flaws. No matter how grounded in fact your statement might be, people will always have opinions that don't agree with yours, despite how uninformed they might be. I'm already anticipating my own disagrees here.

[JokesOnYou]

@ Xiphos, its funny that you mention that, because coincidently that short "Gears is a great IP" story only appear after Brad was called out, which isn't saying much since we all know its a great new IP= so I see as a basic attempt at deflection which I also stated on that article, you'll notice however that I DID NOT PICK & CHOOSE THE HEADLINES, except for the ones about multiplats those are the headlines in order for the last few weeks. ha ha look for yourself....all I did is cut & paste the headlines using the "Older Posts" linking all of the stories in order. I encourage everybody whos curious if I'm just "freaking out" over nothing to read the latest stories and tell me if you just think its a neutral guy talking gaming news, seriously I browsed the stories before I made the accussation and 95% of the content is (as far back as I read) reads like alot praise for ps3 and a condesending tone of dissapointment and negative speculation about anything 360 related.

Oh and your legitimate criticism of 360 claims are plain BS, like I said if in fact he had established a creditable nature of criticizing both and positive praise of both then, I would say his criticism is fair, but basicly its all positive for ps3, negative for 360...anybody willing to read can judge for themselves.

@ RememberThe357, I'll say it again I DID NOT PICK & CHOOSE the headlines those are the LATEST HEADLINES IN ORDER except for multiplats games posted on the BLOG, until mysteriously Brad posts a positive 360 game headline to shake off questions of bias. Again, think I'm full of it, then read for yourself. lmfao, you guys sound angry that I'm just highlighting that he's biased. lol, Do you really think I give a damm if you label me the XDF just because I noticed Brads blog is heavily biased? I'm still going to say what I think and keep laughing at nonsense from biased sites no matter what you call me. lmfao If you don't like it the ignore button will help you sleep.

aahhh and what know do you looking at the comments time frame that post comes curiously today after calls of bias, I guess old Brad reads n4g himself...Do me a favor Xiphos prove me wrong and post one positive 360 exclusive game news story coverage like this "NEW" Gears IP story prior to today that was posted in just the last year and I'll say I was wrong to call Brads blog biased...Im waiting.

I stop at "Killzone 2 lives up to the Hype." heres the next headlines in ORDER as they appear:

JOY

[velaxun]

how the hell do you get so many bubbles? Just an hour ago I saw you commenting on another story and you had 2....

[LastDance]

1.1 - maybe it is because she smokes too much weed and is an idiot.

She must be.

[FlameBaitGod]

Multiple accounts, that answers your question and JokesOnYou is just a fan boy. He cant accept the reality of the situation that the 360 is in right now.

[soxfan2005]

It's all about the games - pure and simple. People will tolerate the inconveniences of faulty hardware if they like the games better than what the competition offers. It has ALWAYS been that way - this generation is no different.

If the most reliable console always came out on top, then Sega Master System would have beaten the NES, Sega Saturn or N64 would have beaten PS1, and Xbox would have beaten PS2.

[JokesOnYou]

I got all kinds of insults but you'll notice NOBODY was able to dispute the headlines and provide not *ONE counter headline that was made prior to this site being called biased. I mean seriously NOT *ONE thing that suggest this "blog" is balanced, well thats because it isn't. I'm just wondering whats Brads n4g account?

Now instead of a sensible response to my posts, I'm accused of multiple accounts, how I did I get so many bubbles, blah, blah, blah...anything but a valid response lmfao, bro the other day I saw a account that was called JokeOnYou (no "s") mocking my comments, lol I'm flattered I have a fan, but either way I don't give a damm about n4g's popularity contest, I'm amazed I still have 6 bubbles but do you really think I care about bubbles lol take 'em if it makes you feel better, but until the mods ban free speech that isn't in anyway offensive I'm going to keep talking the way I do, if that bothers you once again just hit ignore so you sleep better.

Oh and I appreciate all those who gave me positive feedback. If those headlines(and content) was the other way around can you imagine how this site would have reacted?

JOY

[FlameBaitGod]

You know y many people don't waste time with u ? Because you one of those people that would argue with a person if the person though the sky was red. No point in explaining, you aether see real reality as it is, or your reality which is not the real one. Not our fault the 360 is doing bad at this periods of time, probably will change but for now.... accept it maybe ?

[vortex_2]

It's like comparing a Mac to a PC!
PC is cheap but as consequence crappy!!!
Macs are expensive, however, they are superior and amazing.

So... Why don't you get the money that you are gonna use to buy the 360, and save it for 2 months, after this you will be able to buy a PS3, which is gonna give to you a happy ending.
Cuz if think about it... the cheapest 360 is $199.99 you need to spend +$99.99 to buy a wireless receiver to play online(Wirelessly)+ $50 to be able to play online, = $349.98, PS3 is $399.99 and plays Blu-Ray....
I don't think i have to write anything else....
THINK ABOUT THAT.

[IcarusOne]

Imagine what kind of a gaming world it would be if Microsoft HADN'T had to deal with the RROD? You're looking at the success of the 360 despite the technical factors. How successful would it have been if it had been as reliable as the PS3?

Dare I say it, the PS3 owes a lot of its success to Microsoft's "faulty tech". The PS3 cult can ridicule it all they want - but it would make more sense for them to be thankful that the RROD happened.

[EXCLUSIVEGAMER]

classic

[EXCLUSIVEGAMER]

judging by what your saying, it makes sense.

y?:
the hw:sf attach ratios are way too low.

So lets say the rrod is at 50%, leaving you with 14mill replaced 360s.

well, make your own assumptions

[Tru_Ray]

Perhaps it is fair to say that hardcore XBOX 360 fans are cool with replacing their systems 3-4 times in some cases.

However, I can tell you for a fact that I will never buy a 360 specifically because of the faulty hardware (and the fact that you have to pay to play online with an arguably inferior P2P network, but that is another story...).

The RROD cost MSFT in excess of 1 Billion dollars to extend the warranty for 3 years. 1 Billion dollars is hardly chump change, even to a company as large as MSFT.

American gamers may not care about hardware reliability, but Japanese gamers sure as hell do. Has anyone seen the 360 sales in Japan lately (I'll give you a hint... They are abysmal).

The RROD has cost MSFT in terms of credibility. Credibility is important when you are trying to build a brand.

Their loyal customers obviously derive a lot of pleasure out the experience of playing the 360, which is why they keep crawling back.

I remember the infamous "gray screen" from the NES days? That never stopped me from playing Nintendo games, lol

Tru

[king dong]

writing another classic especially for n4sonyfanboys. i like how it says in the contributor test that blogs are not allowed, when in fact 90% of the sh!t on n4sonyfanboys is exactly that....obviously the admin have to ignore their own rules so this very sad site cotinues to get hits.

great job sdf, i see you lot daily on here spewing the same fanboy twisted hate. but, for all your hardwork, and all the rubbish that gets wrote especially for you losers, you still cant push your beloved ps3 above the 360....although i'm sure sony are proud of all the hardwork carried out by it's drones on here.

my launch premium rrod two months ago. the problem exists, but i didn't feel the need to cry about it on n4sonyfanboys.

[edgeofblade]

I don't think a high failure rate is unacceptable... but leaving your customers high and dry when the failures happen... that's what's unacceptable. And Microsoft certainly did NOT do that.

It doesn't bode well for Microsoft as a business that they had to shell out a billion bucks for the extended warranty, but you would find it difficult to say they didn't do the right thing for customers by subsidizing the millions upon millions of replacements. If they hadn't, you wouldn't see nearly as much forgiveness in the Xbox fanbase.

Where you might see xbox fans as gluttons for punishment, I see a group that had to be fought for and Microsoft had to pay through the nose for. When Microsoft runs those kinds of expenses to keep you playing, how can you not show your appreciation. You have to have a special kind of seething hatred for a company to turn your nose at that.

By the same token, where you might see playstation fans as seeking quality and stability, I see smug, snarky juveniles who use double standards to hate Microsoft and don't want to recognize how customer-centric the three year warranty is.

[xabmol]

If it breaks on me I will just go buy another one.

:D

/sarcasm

I've actually heard someone here on N4G say his solution to the RROD is to have 2 XboX's so he can still have one to play while he ships off the other for repairs.

Hello 8 mill lead. x[

[gaffyh]

My friend actually said that to me, I was like "wtf just buy a PS3 if you're going to do that". He basically said buy a Pro and an Arcade, and play the Pro until it RRoDs, then put the HDD on the Arcade and play the arcade until you get the other one back.

It is a good idea, but too expensive. I just told him, buy one of each console and you'll be fine.

[Jazz4108]

@Joy

In your defense I 100% agree with you. I have been saying this over the last year. If you say something positive about Sony you get hundreds of agrees, and if you say something negative then you will get hundreds of diagrees. If you want bubbles on this site you have to praise Sony. Show me one person on this site that likes Microsoft that has any bubbles left! This site is 100% SDF favored or Ran. Its a known fact just like RROD. Peace and I know I will get thrown under the bridge for stating the truth so take my remaining bubbles.

[FragMnTagM]

Hey man I gave an agree and a bubble for stating the truth. I own a 360 and a PS3 and critique them both, yet when I critique the PS3 on here, I lose bubbles every time.

[PirateThom]

If people want to buy it, it's up to them.

If they want to buy another one while it's being shipped off, up to them.

I have one, if it RRoDs, it's getting repaired, sold and replaced with an Atari 2600.

[TreborRversed]

LOL

[cereal_killa]

Lmao are you sure you can handle the graphic upgrade by doing so I KID I KID!!!!

[FragMnTagM]

Why did you change your avatar man? I like your old one better. LOL.

[Montreafart]

There is a reason why we call them "bots" to begin with. They are like brainless, mindless drones of inferior ancient bots. Unable to show emotion and despite being powered by electricity, their brain consist of ancient CPU type of chip, only able to do the most basics of things that humans have managed to conquer long ago since the days of the caves and the hunting parties.

Compared to us, bots are primitive creatures, who do not excel at "complex thinking" like adding up 2+2 (aka simple math). Ergo, they lack the intelligence to know the difference between ancient and next gen experience.

PS3 is next gen. 360 is ancient gen.

Long story short, they do not know that its unacceptable to have hardware fail on you because the product is defective. And they consider it a privilege to play the 360 and pay MS a yearly fee for online. No one told them to wipe their butts and wash their hands after the big break either.

[Sonyfanclubpresident]

Gaystation boys still talkin smack because their consoles main purpose was to thrust Blu Gay tech on the world.

Now Sony is stuck playing catch up with their software and online service.

I had RROD once and it was fixed for free..........so in short,Gaystation kiddies live in a sad deluded world with the least significant console(PS3DO)............tsk tsk tsk,pathetic.

[cryymoar]

i bet if the xb360 had bluray and the PS3 didn't, you'd be trolling that crap all day.

Sony isn't playing catch-up with software and online, the PSN IS up to par with XBL and even better, IT'S FREE! I laugh at hypocrites that complain about the PS3's price yet will easily fork up unnecessary funds for basic online components.

Last that I heard, Sony still has TONS of first and second party developers that are making 10x AAA games than Microsoft. And Microsoft doesn't even have ANY first party devs. ONLY THIRD PARTY! Microsoft can only buy there way into this market, they cannot develop a good game for crap! Also, Microsoft can barely get their own operating system to work without it exploding itself.

Unluckily for you, you get the RRoD AND the BSOD! yet you troll about those systems like they are god. Tell you what, grow up and learn a thing or two about OTHER hardware and software, unlike what you get shoved down your throat by Microsoft and the Media.
It's a sad state of affairs when a free open source OS can run things faster and more efficient than Windows. Or when your own console cant even be touched without it scratching its own discs, or burning your house down.

GTFO of N4G and go back to 4chan you idiot troll.

[xbollox]

you can sell em crap, repeatedly screw em with no lube: they love it and it's safe since they won't sue you

they'll eat all the lies, swallow the bullsh!t and beg for more.
they'll even go online defend you for free, isn't that cool?
BWAAAAA HA HA HA HA!

so got for it man, bone em hard and dry, milk the cow while it lasts, you never know, they might wake up one day

[ultimolu]

Since Sonyfanclubpresident likes to call playstation fans gay, then he must be the chief assbot around here because he likes getting ripped off by Microsoft time and time again. And then when he doesn't have a legitimate argument, he insults others.

[Sir Ken_Kutaragi]

xBots are the 1st ones in the Shower in Jail to bend over and pick up the Soap!!! ;-D

+ RRoD is not the only Red Ring xBots get!!! ;-o

[DNAgent]

Yeah, we all know the 360 has garbage hardware and it's obviously not acceptable.

What kind of retard approves this garbage (aside from people like Agent-X who supposedly writes blogs for hiphopgamershow and posts them as news)?

[II Necroplasm II]

Well we need the blogs to make fanboys think that 360 will stop selling like hotcakes.

[Megaton]

That's pretty much the only thing that bothers me about the 360's success. It supports the idea that it's fine and dandy for someone to sell a product that breaks on a massive scale, and has done so for years. They should have been forced to recall and fix the thing years ago when this first started, instead of putting a warranty band aid on a severed limb.

But then again some of you guys are on your 3rd, 4th, or 5th 360, so there's obviously a crowd of suckers willing to pay over and over again to be reamed. Can't say I wouldn't keep shoveling crap into your mouths if I were in Microsoft's shoes. You guys need to have standards. I'd say 'higher' standards, but I can't find any to begin with.

[Menchi]

That's pretty much what the EU wanted done, before the whole warranty business.

They wanted a total recall on all Xbox 360's as they believed MS were aware of the issue before they sold at retail.

It's why I find it funny when people say "MS care" mentioning the 3 year warranty and the Billion it cost them.

Little do they know, or choose to acknowledge, MS really didn't have a choice. It was take the 1 Bil loss, or pretty much drop out of the console race.

[StayHigh]

Its just funny that none of the 360 owners will buy it from the start..If Microsoft announced that their 360 hardware is faulty and give them the 3 year warranty.. It takes Microsoft at least close to 2 years to address the problems..

I will not buy an dvd player, and etc if it is known to break..

[Ausbo]

microsoft has to realize that they were stupid to release a console so early. I doubt they will do so again because they lost billions. Sure the 360 is suceeding but they have to wonder what it could have been had they not had this problem. I think that next-gen hardware will be flawless from all of the big 3 because no company wants to lose money like that.

[InfectedDK]

Totally agree with the article.
I'm glad that I don't have to be nervous everytime I turn on my PS3.

[TrueGamer71]

It is if its Micro$oft

[UltimatePS3]

Well they seem to think so i dissagree, i think MS and there fans know there all a bunch of ignorant pigs.

[siyrobbo]

ylod

[UltimateIdiot911]

It's less than 3%. The standard failure rate is 6-7%. The chances of YLOD is pretty low since failure rate include maybe laser failures, bluetooth, etc. Therefore, YLOD is probably around 1%. So, you have to be pretty damn unlucky.

[MmaFanQc]

the invisible pink unicorn.

you can read about it but you will never see it

[Ricegum]

The ps3 does infact suffer from hardware failures too, obviously no where near as common as RROD. My ps3 is currently broken with a disk read error problem :( It refuses to read any type of disc, and it seems an awful lot of people have had this problem, more common than the ylod. Has anyone else got this problem or had it? Im out of waranty and i'll have to pay £99 to get it repaired :(

[Redgehammer]

Maybe its just my overly large hands, but the asymmetrical design of the 360 controller feels more natural to me. So, even after 3 repairs I refuse to jump ship to The PS3.I have nothing against the ps3's games, i just can't handle the controller.

[MmaFanQc]

but after my ps3 purchase i was playing almost only my ps3 excepted for the 360 exclusives and i changed my mind since one day i decided to play geow2 again and the controller never felt that weird, i was like "wtf is happening?..i used to worship this controller before for fps..."

now every time i use my ps3 ds3 it just feel natural in my hands.

(and yes i have big lumberjack hands)

[cereal_killa]

So let me get this right your going to continue to support M$ because of the controller even though you've already replaced your 360 (free I'm assuming) 3xs but whats going to happen when your next one happens to go on you and you have to pay because your 3yr warranty is up or if it suffers from something other than RROD which is the only thing that is covered under the 3yr warranty are you going to just keep spending you money on broke hardware because the controller feels better.

[Bumpmapping]

360 fans are the abused GF'S and M$ are their abusive BF'S they allways come back for more :)

[navyguy21]

I think the only reason people put up with it, is because (at the time) it had the most, and the best games. The PS2 was in the same position last gen, everybody and their mama had DRE, but we didnt care because the PS2 was AWESOME, so we either got it repaired, or bought a new one. This time, MS agreed to fix them for free. To be honest, they really didnt have a choice because they have the weaker brand name, so they cant really afford the bad press. So i say, gamers go where the games are, and fanboys complain and nitpick, just like people do to the PS3, to that i say, STFU and PLAY the PS3, and you will appreciate its awesomeness, and at the same time you will realize that the PS3 has great games, and the most multimedia options out there (except PC :P )

[Nikuma]

So why is my launch ps2 still working perfectly fine?

[stealthx]

I think Microsoft is brainwashing people because i don't know why people just keep buying a faulty system

[cereal_killa]

Allot of company's do this it's not just M$.

[navyguy21]

Same can be said about RROD, everybody and their mama got RROD, but there are still some that work fine, im one of them, ive had a pro, and an elite, and both work perfectly, that doesnt mead RROD doesnt exist does it.

[Myst]

I don't fully understand it then either, but I suppose those who can't come up with the money for the PS3 may find the price more appealing. That and the fact that they may have Xbox titles and what not. So maybe it's not really accepted, but taken as a resort due to everyone's own personal reflections; I.e. Controller size, gaming list, and even money especially at this time.

Me personally? I was going to get a 360, my sister got one [she doesn't live with us - she also has a PS3]. I saw it, thought it was okay, would be nice so that I could have all three consoles. Her comparison of the matter is that it's an okay system. Aside from the RROD it's not a worth while purchase as of now and was just a spur of the moment purchase as she said. Other than that, it's okay and I liked the look of live, I won't lie. Yet, their just doesn't seem to be much incentive for me to buy it. I like some of the RPGs and JRPGs it has. Those would have been my only reason to purchase one. One thing I did say to her though is: "You know if it does Red Ring on you I will be over with my camera..."

Another thing I'd like to point out is a friend of mine she's still on her first 360. Then again I suppose she only plays it for about..an hour or two every other day?

[akaFullMetal]

well its seems that way since 28 million bought it. But the 3 year warranty softened this blow, but had they sold the 360 out with barely any problems they might of had this generation leading by 20 million.

[Why o why]

but i feel the reason it was/is so faulty is because they rushed it out in the first place. If they released it at the same time as the ps3 the story would probably of been different

[cereal_killa]

Why o Why I agree with you but I have to say if M$ actually waited and fix the problem before launch I don't think there even would be a 6-8 million lead right now I think it would be less. I think that people wouldn't be buying the system as much as they are because major percentage of these systems are being bought because of the failed systems. If RROD was not in existence than the sales of this system would be lower because no one would need to replace what is not broken.

[JeepGamer]

The only reason this was "acceptable" was due to there being enough fanatics willing to put up with the RROD. If the 360 had been any other piece of electronics or a piece of computer hardware such as a motherboard or a processor it would have been the subject of a massive recall and the manufacturer would still be trying to recover face to this day.

[enjoi187]

i guess im weird i own both systems and get to play any game i want for free.....and my ps3 has had usage from blu-ray movies a little LBP, uncharted and killzone 2 SP (online...lol a joke) GTp was in my system for like 5 minutes after that horrendous install.......my 360 gets so much more game time....but i guess thats just me.....and live is still better than psn....as far as playing with freinds(all i really care about) ....psn just doesnt support my needs.

blu-ray uncharted 2 and GOW 3(next year) for the win

well I play all the mutliplaform games on my 360...prefer the controller....and i lied i have played a few other ps3 games i just didnt like them so i dont talk about them lol...like lair (at first i was hyped for this) haze, couldn't get into socom ,i do like LBP (i own this game still) (as long as im playing with a friend) .............................F LOWER OMG i forgot about flower that game is so fuc*ing dope lol....motorstorms....not going to luing pretty much played them all...heavenly sword....thinking of more lol..

anyways I really do love my ps3

I really only play online fps (im addicted to peggle and zuma now on the arcade lol) but like i said (as far as friend setup) i prefer live over psn still....but my ps3 get play time here and there

i game on it all and i criticize it all...i just love N4G because 95% of the people on it are one sided...

but seriously UNCHARTED 2 FTFW

[Ricegum]

Oo...an unbiased gamer on n4g :) i agree with your points, yet i don't own a 360, I just played on my bros. There are things that the 360 offers that really made me want to get one, however I'm glad I bought my ps3, and I've never regretted it. I guess it was the Sony brand name that persuaded me as well as a gurantee of high quality games and exclusives. I'd never even heard of the RROD when I was interested in buying a 360 and I doubt alot of people were until they got it themselves, but theyre games library would probably be too much to give up due to a faulty console. But obviously word has gone round about it and alot more people are aware of it now.

[I am Legend]

Yeah....RROD sucks baaaaalllls....but I had so much fun with the 360 that even with the faulty hardware it still my most
favorite console of all time. Anytime people come over Halo 3....Call Of Duty 4....Gears of War 2...FIght Night 3....good times.

[ShabzS]

lan party of gears man... so much fun... thank god for horde

[San Frandisco]

huh? thats it man? just tho's 4 games ??(2 being mulitplatform)
so much for the "HUGE" library of good games huh.
wel,wen friends come over for lan or split screen offline play,then ive got a Crap load of ps3 games (more exclusives then multiplat) to keep us covered... and of course the ever so growing and expandingly FUN PSN games.

I used to have a few 360's myself and live was pretty much no different in my experience with it,all i cared about was just playing online and doind the same thing for free out weighs that sry.
And even though theres ben alot going for M$ and the 360 since 2007 (wen i had all THREE of mine),it still does not give me any reason wut so ever to return.. live is still the same with just a different UI and the games EXCLUSIVE to the 360 have not ben anything to spend even $200 on imo.. believe it or not it doesnt have enuf quality veriety for me to stay.

EDIT: woops gotta stay ON TOPIC: the RRoD and m$ are best friends it seems like and dont like splitting from eachother,and from wut i understand the original xbox had it as well ?? (i wouldnt know as i did not have one).
but yea shows how knowledgable the xbox 360 gaming divisions is if they have known about the RRoD and after 3 years havnt ben able to fix it but only possibly dropp the percentage down a bit.
PATHEDIC if ya ask me.
ill be honest though as im on my 3rd ps3. )

[I am Legend]

apparently you think that's the only games I have and play. I just mentioned the games me and my friends play the most against each other. So you can take your cheerleader routines that way ~~~~>

[hadouken007]

rapes them, and they let them.i got a friend that came to his senses, his xbox died three times now he on da market for a PS3,and yes he did the utube 360 fix thing,still died on him.MS policies rape them, and see a fool and use a fool aka 360 owners.why we never see the crab,fox ect in articles like this,they got no defence here,but they got a lot to say on other topics, and they always first to post.were yall at?

[DelbertGrady]

badassgamerblog is the new hiphopgamer.

[II Necroplasm II]

why do PS3 fanboys care about the RRoD anyways lulz

[- Ghost of Sparta -]

Why do 360 fanboys get orgasms whenever the 360 outsells the PS3 in the US? No games. Lulz.

[W S K]

i think the anology he made with the TV is not completely correct
If a TV had an 33% failure rate i wouldnt buy it...thats for sure
but only because i use my TV alot more than my 360
so...if the 360 is away one week thats okey... but after my 3rd 360 now...im a liitle pi$$ed off...there is so much more than watching movies on it and playing games...its XboxLIVE...and i think this is what makes the people come back

i just hope they dont repeat that with their upcoming console...or they are pretty much doomed.. if you ask me

[Jdoki]

It's not acceptable, and in the long term it may hurt MS' future gaming efforts. I bought a launch day 360, so I didn't know that there was the inherant fault. If I had of known I would not have bought one.

I can only speak for myself (as someone who is on their 3rd 360), but I won't buy the Next Xbox until I know the hardware is good (and even then I may pass, depending on exclusive titles - but that's a different matter!).

Then again, I know two people who have had their PS3's fail on them... So the PS3 isn't exactly bullet proof either...

[San Frandisco]

yeah you also have to consider that a TV costs ALOT more (depending on the TV) then an Xbox 360 does so that eliminates that end of things.
your not going to go and spend over a grand knowing the TV lasts only a few months do you? NO! (CRT tube tv's dont count,thats ancient-gen tech),now,however,spending $200 or a little more depending on the model 360 is a little more forgiving in a minimal way but still VERY unexceptable.
but the failure rate imo could be also do to the fact of treatent that users put toawrds the 360... most of the ppl/friends/family i know that have the 360have them just laying around on the floor or next to trash or something.. i dunno.. but you get wut you pay for and you are truly "paying" wen it comes to the 360 imo.

[jack who]

same site that said

"Crysis Knocked out By Fight Night Round 4 "
"So who really has sold more consoles? Microsoft or Sony?"

[Covenant]

Ugh...you're right. Just noticed that. Hard to take that site seriously.

[JokesOnYou]

"Faulty Tech...Now Acceptable?"
"Killzone 2 is the New Game to Beat"
"So who really has sold more consoles? Microsoft or Sony?"
"Crysis Knocked Out by Fight Night Round 4"
"Microsoft Need to Make a Splash at E3 2009"
"What Sony has and Microsoft doesn't..."
"Gaming Journalism...biased joke?"
"Killzone 2:Guerrilla Games Overcame the Odds"
"Less 'Unreal Engine 3', More custom engines..."
"Xbox 360 reached it's technical limit?"
"Why does Killzone 2 have to defeat Halo 3 again?"
"Is Microsoft Giving up on Console Visual Superiority?"
"Killzone 2 is still the best looking PS3 game."
"God Of War 3, To set the New Visual Benchmark?"
"Resident Evil 5 - Where's the Fun?"
"Killzone 2 Demo Impressions"
"Killzone 2 Review Bias?"
"Killzone 2 lives up to the Hype."

Theres more too, and if the headline themselves isn't enough to make anybody who doesn't have a ps logo tattooed on their forehead barf, then don't bother reading the content. No joke its so full of that "why the ps3 is great" and "oh did you know the 360 isn't made by sony" type BS smell that unless you're protected by a special sony Pepto Bismol medicine, naseau is garuanteed. lmfao don't take my word for it, go ahead I challenge you to browse the site at your own risk.

JOY

[Nikuma]

You already posted that twice in this topic JOY. You're just itching to post that crap in here as much as you can? Get a friend/laid/life/something dude.

[-MoOkS-]

funny how flopstation fanboys forget all about the ps2's 75% failure rate. It died of the DRE, Disc Read Error, now the same thing is happening to the ps3. All I see on the official PS boards are complaints about faulty bluray drives and YLoD. Flopstation fanboys are doing good at supressing these facts....it will come out sooner or later.

[d0nT wOrrY]

That "ps2's 75% failure rate" beat the crap out of fixme180, fixme cant even catch up with last-gen console hahahaha lmao

try harder next time

Xbox360 fanboys=Sheep

[ultimolu]

Evidence of the 75% failure rate if you will or you're full of what one might call sh*t.

Oh, disagree from the random trolls on this site? Doesn't change a damn thing.

[cereal_killa]

Aww look who it is PP the little Muppet that couldn't 75% my A$$ you only wish it was that much to justify your ego you seriously need to get a life and find a girl or even a boy and get laid or something truly pathetic.

[infekt]

My a$$ 75% hw fail rate! I've had my launch ps2 for over 8 years. Its still to crap out on me. Thats Sony quality. Nevermind. You xb!tches will never understand quality.. You're too closed minded. Amateurs.

[ultimolu]

This is why I changed my mind from buying one. Too much of a risk to buy one and no, don't give me that crap about three year warranty. I don't have the patience to keep sending in a console every time something is wrong with it.

[NegativeCreep427]

"so how come in the case of Microsoft's Xbox 360 people are prepared to shell out cash for what is largely a broken console?"

Because Xbox fanboys are F*cking idiots, plain and simple. Any person that continuously goes back and purchases a piece of hardware that craps out on them not once, not twice, but thrice is a person that shouldn't be driving on public roads or handling money or reproducing (like if most of them could).

"I simply don't understand how Microsoft have been able to get away with a product that can fault at such a high rate"

Hey its just one of those great anomalies in the business world of today. If Sony had a console with a rapsheet like that, the media would be eating them alive and coming back for seconds on a daily basis.

I guess Microsoft's proverbial a$$ justs tastes too good to let rational thinking get in the way of these Xbot fanboys.

[ultimolu]

Not just XBox fans. Anyone who continuously gets something fixed when they know strictly it broke three times before is an idiot and needs psychiatric help.

If it was the PS3 that had this problem instead, I wouldn't be touching it with a ten foot pole until Sony fixes the problem.

[II Necroplasm II]

Mine broke once. got it fixed in like 2 weeks, been happy gaming ever since.

[ultimolu]

Good for you Necroplasm. You were lucky. Not everyone is as lucky as you are.

[II Necroplasm II]

Well if my PS3 broke today that would cost me $150 bucks to fix, if my 360 would brake... it would get fixed for free.

I enjoy all my systems that I own. Why am I such a bad guy to PS fanboys on this site?

[ultimolu]

Some of these fanboys you talk about own both consoles as well. Nothing wrong with owning all three or two but everyone should be united against this issue.

[II Necroplasm II]

The real issue is these blogs

[ultimolu]

No, the issue is people refusing to realize that this is still a problem.

I'm well awar this is a blog but so are the twenty other articles that get approved here.

[cereal_killa]

II Necroplasm II Only RROD is covered under this 3yr warranty this new E74 problem or anything else that happens that you may encounter is not and you will have to pay to get it fixed unless you know someone who can fix it for free if that's what your implying.

[vagisil]

the sony fanboys on n4g do not like you because you own multiple consoles. if you want them to like you then you need to swear allegiance to sony and ps3.

sony fans can not understand how some gamers can like and own more than one console. sony fans have ruined n4g completely. before the influx of these retards n4g was a respectable site.

now n4g consists of nothing more than fanboy blog posts. but hell that is their agenda. in the meanwhile though ps3 isn't number one this gen. no matter how much bullsh1t you sony fans do on n4g, it doesn't change a thing.

as long as the sony fanboy agenda continues on n4g, n4g will continue to lose respect in the gaming industry. the admins and mods on here are nothing but ps3 fanboys as well.

my words for most on here.....up fvckin yours. i can enjoy my 360 and my ps3, most on here can not do the same. nothing but a bunch of kids that wanna defend their choice in the console they own.

necroplasm, don't worry about these fools on here man. you can't please everyone. :)

[Enigma_2099]

This article doesn't speak of the PS3's "Yellow Light of Death"... which is a far more serious problem. The RROD doesn't deserve to be brought up... EVER... high failure rate or not.. [/sarcasm]

[Enigma_2099]

... Iz flippins teh burdz to the 3 disagreers... cn tey seez it?

[Enigma_2099]

... u cn haz burdz flipz 2.

[dash--]

When some people say it boils down to the controller, then what were you playing before the xbox came out? The 1st Nintendo, PS1, and Sega consoles. I have a 360 but I do get nervous when I turn it on because of the RROD. I've already had one go out on me.

[cjp4eva]

Only for these mindless Xbutts.

[CryWolf]

MS have the most faulty system in the world if they are smart they would do more testing or redesign the Xbox not with last-generation tech and put more fans in, find away address this faulty system instead of saying 1% of us have this flall.

[Finch]

The PS2 did just fine last Gen and it was just as Faulty!

[jmare]

People love to bring up the PS2 like it's justification for the 360 crapping out, but they forget the details.

The DRE problem with the PS2 was an issue for only about 6 months to a year. It was caused by people being amazed by DVD and using their PS2s to watch movies alot. The DVD drive in the launch PS2s were not meant to be constant play drives and the excessive use burned them out quickly. Sony replaced the original DVD drives with upgraded ones and the problem was ended.

As far as I recall, that was the only major problem with the PS2. Unlike say the 360's numerous problems that still persist 3 years later. If you are going to compare, do it properly. Also, instead of trying to justify something being broken, why not call bullshit on MS and make them fix it instead. By continuing to buy the 360, all people are doing is proving to MS that people will continue to buy their products regardless of the problems. That leads to the same hubris that crazy Ken had when he said stupid sh1t like, "People will buy our console with no games."

I am not saying the 360 is bad. I want one, but my wife won't let me get one until they are reliable. I could just go out and get one, but there are more important things in life than games.

[4Sh0w]

I really don't understand the lengths some people will go through to justify why they are right and somebody else is wrong on this site.

ps2 was my fav console but it had failure problems long after the first 6 months, was it as high as 360 I don't know, but it was still a big problem, which is why sony was sued

Nobody is saying because ps2 had problems it makes up for 360's problems, thats just stupid but what we are saying is the concept is the same, the company does its best to fix 'em and in microsofts case doesn't charge you for repairs and you just keep on gaming.

I truly believe some of the same people saying they won't buy a 360 for fear of RROD are the same people who paid for ps2 repairs or brought another one after their first broke or at the very least knew plenty of people who's ps2 did break, yet they hate microsoft for 360 failures, can you at least see why thats being a hypocrite? and for the life of me I don't understand people who say its not legit when discussing 360's failure rate, we don't live in a vaccume, ITS THE EXACT SAME ANALOGY.

[jmare]

I may be wrong about how long the problems persisted with the PS2. I personally only remember hearing about it for about the fisrt 6-12 months after launch. And I know Sony was sued over it. I personally never had any problems with any PS2 I owned, but that's not to say that no one else did.

"Nobody is saying because ps2 had problems it makes up for 360's problems, thats just stupid but what we are saying is the concept is the same, the company does its best to fix 'em and in microsofts case doesn't charge you for repairs and you just keep on gaming."

Actually, while that may not be what you are saying, a lot of people come across as though because Sony did it and didn't rerpair it for free that somehow MS is better than Sony because they do fix it for free. But they conveniently forget that the 3 year warranty is only for RROD and not any of the other problems. Both consoles had problems and yet the PS2 is almost universally regarded as one of the greatest consoles of all times and the 360 is known equally for it's games as well as it's problems.

I am not one of those people that had problems with my PS2 and paid for it but now hate the 360. I want a 360. I have friends that have them and several games appeal to me.

The reason why people call bullshit is because it is used as justification. Case in point:

"Anyway what about the PS1?It was so badly built that most will not play until it was turned on it's side.The ps1's reliability was never sorted until the PS slim came out.When i 1st saw the ps2 revealed with it standing on it's side, i laughed so hard because that was the only way my ps1 worked.SO what do you say about Sony releasing 2 unreliable consoles back to back?I hope you do know that there was a law suit against Sony for the ps2 related problems."

That sounds like justification to me. Essentially the arguement is: "See? They did it, so why is it a big deal when we do it?"

It is legit if you are comparing faulty hardware, not when you use past mistakes to justify or condone current ones.

[4Sh0w]

Take it however you want but I don't see that response as an excuse, but maybe it is, the point is if the ps2 is still hailed as great console despite early hardware troubles then 360 can at least be seen as a worthy console despite early troubles, IF this is a excuse to justify a 360 purchase then it seems like a damm good one to me, that is if you like the 360 games, if you're not interested in 360 games then thats a different discussion anyway. Your comment about it being known for hardware problems is noted, but I'd also say that with todays internet everything is subject to major scrutiny, and 360 also has alot of mindshare for being a great gaming platform with the best online community. The fact that its overcome such a nightmare PR disaster means 360 has some strong appeal to alot of people. Personally I think its a great purchase just like I think the ps3 is a great purchase but not everybody games enough or can afford both consoles thats why the value of what they both offer is ALL a matter of personal choice and its not like screaming one is better than the other is going to change anybodys mind(not you, I'm just saying thats basicly what I see on this site). The logic that for anybody to say in 2009 hardware is a major concern imo falls on death ears of neutral consumers, I say this because the failure has been significantly reduced based on a few indicators, like dedicated forums have relatively alot less complaints, independent and creditable sites recieve fewer complaints, and personally the friends I know seem to be fine with their current 360's and the warranty is in place for the only major defect, which makes it of little concern for most gamers who dont follow n4g. I'm glad they took alot of heat for the problem, it should have never happened in the first place, but I also believe gaming is better of with 360 than without it. Thats all.

[ironmonkey]

actually the yellow light still isnt even close to a problem yet its people here who flame it to be big . i have a 360 now but i wont be getting the next new ms console when it come out im done with the faulty junk

[Finch]

6 months or a year? It went on for 2+ years. Where you around last Gen from the start or a year and a half late. Or are you talking smack and down playing it?

[jmare]

I assume you're referring to my comment. I've been around since the NES and Genesis days. 2+ years? Maybe for you. I knew about it before I bought my first PS2 and was smart enough to not use it as a DVD player. That's the thing people forget is that Sony told people that excessive use as a DVD player would damage the drive and people still did it anyway, which is why they were able to get away with not repairing it for free. I'm not saying it was right, just that's the way it was. So yes for 6 months it was a problem for everyone. After that it was only aproblem for people that couldn't figure out that, "If you play DVDs often, it will break" meant if you played DVDs all the time, it would break.

[Godmars290]

If a company makes the appearance of compensating people for said faulty product when they break down, cover the most specific and public issues, then obviously they can get away with it.

[tehk1w1]

Yawn. Whining about the RROD? Soooo last year.

[Covenant]

Unfortunately, it still exists...as someone responsible for gaming at a large Best Buy store in a major city, I still occasionally see dead consoles that are only a few months old...but thankfully, nowhere near as many as two years ago.

So the RRoD is still an issue...just not as bad as it once was.

[Covenant]

It's NOT acceptable...and if I didn't enjoy the 360 experience so much, I would have given up on it a long time ago.

Thankfully, after four dead consoles in one year (yes, ONE YEAR, thank God for Best Buy replacement plans), I am going on two years with my Falcon Elite, which has been flawless.

I don't care what kind of tech is in the next Xbox...as long as it is RELIABLE.

[Marty8370]

Its only acceptable too blind dumbarsed bots.

[bob saget remix]

So the 360 is out in my book. Oh well.

[vagisil]

ps2 was faulty as hell, but did that stop it from being the most successful console?

360 is not the first faulty console ever released, yes even your precious sony released a faulty machine last-gen.

[Droid Control]

thow their games collection out the window with their LIVE friends?

Or bend over, take hard, and pray for morning. (Xbox720)

[bob saget remix]

Its all you really can do I suppose.

[Bumpmapping]

PS2 was faulty but not in the same league as 360.M$ released a console knowing there was problems,that should not be acceptable regardless what system you like.

[vagisil]

you are nothing but a fanboy fool. what i said is true. i own ps3 and 360

psn dementedspirit
xbl- demented spirit

unlike you i don't worship sony.

you guys on here are fools. ps2 was faulty, and yes sony knew about it, why do you think they settled a class action lawsuit?

ps2- DRE
360- RROD

quit being a fanboy queer.

[Shane Kim]

Are you honestly comparing the disc read error on the PS2 with the RROD on the 360?
First of all, the DRE was only a couple of % compared to RROD wich is on a unacceptable 33%. Second, the xbox360 is last gen hardware, how can someone fail so miserably with old tech? It's like Sony would make cassette walkmans again and have a 33% failure rate on them.

[bviperz]

Faulty hardware. Back when I first got it (when I had more money and so did the rest of the world) and it died on me, it was okay. Replaced thanks to the warranty. Now if it should die again, outside of my warranty (ends this year), then I will just have to miss out on possibly great 360 exclusive games. That's just me.

[Lord Vader]

Well, it sure was "acceptable" when Sony sold us all those FAULTY PS2's with their crappy disc drives... & they didnt extend the warranty or do sh!t about it either...

I've had RROD once & had it replaced by M$ for FREE.

I went through THREE PS2's & Sony didn't do sh!t for me.

But i don't think it's acceptable now or then, difference is at least Microsoft extended the warranty to help whereas Sony didn't do sh!t about their faulty disc drives. = FACT

[Firstkn1ghT]

Fortunately for me I have learned my lesson with the ps2. Now I get an extended warranty at Best Buy with all my electronics. I had one RROD on my 360 and a simple swap is all it took. That's much better than my 5 broken ps2's.

[Jaces]

Yea, word. I had 22 broken PS2's. GAWD.

[fossilfern]

Thats what you get for living in a cardboard box

[rawd]

Don't talk about RROD! Xbots get angry and start blaming Sony

[CaptainKratos]

faak that, give me something that works.

[xg-ei8ht]

LOL you spend $2000 in your game library for a faulty console?

I'd like to know of all those AAA hmm hmm that add upto that amount.

Because the way i look at it, alot of those are multiplatform.

I can understand if your a halo or gears freak, but to pay for another 360, or keep waiting etc.

Kushan

Giving out warranty's is better then nothing, but that's not the point and you know it.

Most people go buy another 360, while the other is in the shop,but once they get the other one back, they keep it just incase the other dies.

To me that is SAD.

I wouldn't do it, and i think most of the analogy's are pretty truthful, the plane one err no. your not going to die from an xbox, but if a plane falls from the sky, theres a good chance you will.

[tonywood24]

With the high failuse rate, they have not only offered warrenties and exchanged systems, MS has also worked hard to lower it's system's price. Although I have had a few RROD systmes, thus staying with the PS3.....I would consider now purchasing a X360 at $199. (I see that it's worth a gamble for such a low price.....if you Want, Halo, Gears, Fable, Halo Wars, XLive Arcade, Left 4 Dead, and GREAT TRASH TALKING!) I mean the fair and clean trash talking only....Race, Mommas, and Religion, is off limits!

[tawak]

this why 360 has a lead on ps3
1 year head start and with the 199 cheap price and
most of the 360 ownners like me has a MINIMUM OF ATLEAST 2.
some even on there 4th or 5th xbox 360 which is bs!
im on my 2nd xbox i hope i dont need to buy 3rd 1 tho

[xtreampro_REVENGE]

1 year head start with the PS3 only 6million consoles behind the 360's 28million consoles sold mark is really bad, it just shows how poorly the 360 is selling

NEW NAME FOR THE 360 just came in stock...WARNING limited supplies

Name as shown below

XboX-3MegaByte

[TwistedMetal]

basically people dont read the manual. ps3 is more advance then both the x360 and wii which uses a lot of old gen things. so many people dont give ps3 the proper space or they do some nuub thing like turn off the system when a game is saveing. people who smoke really mess up there systems.

[be_wrong]

sadly yes, they don't really care about how bad the console was made as long as they can play their halos and gears, and after experiencing a RoD or 3RL, then they start complaining, which is stupid in my opinion.

[OGharryjoysticks]

I want to comment honestly but if I do it's going to offend the 360 fans. It doesn't matter that everything I would say would be true because there are tons of them who can manipulate truth to fit the other side in defense even though it's obvious the truth hurts.

[ssipmraw]

how much money MShit could have spent on creating games with the money used to fix broken 360s

[pippoppow]

This issue has been beat to death and MS has shown little interest in correcting the issue properly. If 360 fans don't mind then so be it but then again people need to know about it's problems. My cousins 360 2 weeks ago cracked 2 games discs but he continues to support MS which really makes no sense. Blind ignorant loyal support of anything will usually see you being taking advantage of.

[aaron5829]

But seriously, the failure rate is scaring the hell outa me.

[SprayandPreycom]

you have to have bought at least 2 of em in 3 -4 years im on my fourth or is it 5th and its making funny noises lately uh oh

[Condemnedman]

Im still Gamming Yeh Yeh Yeh

[Picnic]

The thing that people forget is that the original Xbox had problems too- they replaced the power unit because otherwise the console overheated if it was left on too long. My original Xbox actually made a crackling sound as the electricity coursed through the lead in to the console. Microsoft skimped on the quality (mind you, I think none of the consoles of this generation are brilliantly designed/manufactured). One of the things that I liked about the Dreamcast and the Gamecube is that they were small units that were built to do what consoles were originally designed to do- just play games. Unless you like playing online against people who can't string a word, let alone sentences, together the reasons to buy an Xbox 360 are almost purely down to cost in my opinion. Arguably its best game, Bioshock, can be played on the PC or PS3, whereas the PS3 also has Uncharted and Little Big Planet. But a lot of the PS3's so called early big hitters like Motorstorm and Heavenly Sword were little more than short, extremely shallow graphical showpieces that aged quicker than cheese left out the fridge. And I don't understand the love for Ratchet and clank: Tools of destruction- what a cliched game.
All of the consoles have severe cons this time.

[rmedtx888]

All I can say is this, 5 out of 7 of my friends that own a Xbox360 had gotten the RRoD. One of my friends It's on his 7th console and his warranty just expired.

[ThaGeNeCySt]

Can't really say it's acceptable... news media fried MS for this as well as both fans and fanboys.. People have opted out of buying 360's as a result and the PR has been a total disaster... and this is dating back to the launch of the 360.