Xbox 360 Holding Onto English Tales of Vesperia

The PlayStation 3 version of Tales of Vesperia is much more than a simple port to another platform, including tons of new voice work and numerous new side quests.

However, these additions are a double-edge sword that is now killing Vesperia's chances of being released outside of Japan on the PS3.

[somekyle]

Ever heard of a murphy sandwich? This tastes a lil like that.

[Rock Bottom]

First it was "NO! it's not coming to the PS3, not a freaken chance".

Now it's "Yeah, but you're not getting it in English".

A punch of fanboys betting on a sick horse if you ask me.

[jadenkorri]

cause ive already traded in the 360 version already, be the last 360 game i buy if i think its coming to ps3

[PirateThom]

It'll be released outside Japan.

[somekyle]

A just argument.

[PirateThom]

I think it's a pretty good argument.

I'd also counter with the fact Tales of Vesperia hasn't yet been released in Europe for 360, so there's still a user base here that wants the game.

Fact is, they're putting a lot of work into the remake to just release it for Japan, so why no give it to the rest of the world who want it?

[gaffyh]

@PirateThom - Also to further your argument. The devs are localising the 360 version for EU and have already localised for US. It won't take too much more effort to simply use the same voice tracks (plus all the extras) and release the game on PS3 in US and EU.

[jackdoe]

I get the feeling that most people who will disagree with you to be 360 fanboys who don't want the title to come out for the PS3 in the U.S.

Anyways, Namco Bandai would be stupid not to release the title in the U.S., especially with 80% of the localization done (the PS3 version adds one book of new script, out of five books, hence, 80%. One of the previous four books was dedicated to event scenes, hence the "double the VA remark" as there is indeed double the VA in event scenes).

Sure, there is no "Only On" logo in the JP version, while there is one on the US version. However, that means about nothing as seen by NG Sigma 2. After all, Namco Bandai could just release the title as Tales of Vesperia Redux to get around an issue like that.

[Immortal Kaim]

The problem is, as a 360 owner (and soon to be PS3 owner), I don't want to wait another 8-9 months for a PS3 EU/AUS release, hell we don't even have the damn game here on 360 yet.

So it will definitely cater more towards PS3 only owners and I guess those that a really into it. It's a shame though, cause the extra content sounds great...

Edit: Apparently Gaffyh and I don't want to play Tales of Vesperia on the 360 and are happy to wait for the PS3 version... Who would have known? :)

[gaffyh]

@Immortal Kaim - Yeah I see what you mean, I'm going to definitely get the X360 version as soon as it releases in EU, been waiting for ages, and I don't really care that much about extra content in the PS3 version.

But this is good news for PS3 only owners, at least they get to play the game and they get more content for their wait.

[Immortal Kaim]

Agree Gaffyh. I suppose If I really enjoy the game and eventually want to experience the extra content that option is open, but for now, I just want to play it. :)

Plus we have Star Ocean 4 coming out soon as well I think? Would you happen to know the release dates of these 2 games?

Cheers

[jackdoe]

I'm a multiplatform owner, and I could wait for Tales of Vesperia to appear on the PS3.

See, that is what I hate about today's world of "Timed Exclusives". You get screwed either way if you are a multiplat owner. Buy it early, good for you. However, you run the risk of feeling ripped off when the "Super Deluxe Edition with double the story, fewer plot holes, and an extra charcter" appears on the console that you did not buy the game for. However, when you wait for that "Super Deluxe Edition" you wait a year or more. So you get screwed either way. However, the nice thing is that there are plenty of games to kill time with, so waiting isn't that bad, unless you desperately need an RPG to play.

[gaffyh]

@2.7 - Dunno the exact dates, but as far as I've heard, both of them are coming out at some point in June. Kinda annoying that the TOV localisation has taken this long though.

[IdleLeeSiuLung]

That is exactly what the publisher wants. They want you to pay for it twice!

I suspect this will become even more frequent....

[SaiyanFury]

Namco-Bandai has been releasing Tales of games for years in North America. First they brought Tales of Vesperia on the 360 because the system came out first, and I'm virtually 100% positive it will come to the PS3. Hell, leave out the English voice acting, I always prefer the Japanese language tracks anyways. Namco also brought Eternal Sonata to the 360 first, and now there's a PS3 version. Vesperia will come. Time will prove me right.

[Kain81]

the same goes to Eternal Sonata.
Same with NG2

[ShawnCollier]

True, but the Japanese version was missing the label, and from what was said in Famitsu, they knew the game was going to be ported eventually.

If it exists for timed exclusives, then by that logic, the Japanese version would have also had the label.

We don't know the terms of the agreement (it's to be assumed some money traded hands due to the increased level of quality in the voice work and getting an English version of the opening theme when Dawn of the New World just had a instrumental theme), so there could have been a GCN Symphonia issue here (hence the label on the North American version.

[PirateThom]

As noted, BioShock had the lable is well in Europe at least, it literally means nothing.

[El_Colombiano]

That label mean nothing. Most "exclusives" on 360 usually aren't exclusive at all.

[Critical_Hit]

It's been shown that the "Only on Xbox 360" sticker is temporary. This game will definitely hit NA, especially since most of the localization is already done from the 360 version.

[militant07]

ETERNAL SONTATA wanst labeld with "only on xbox360"

disagree ??! i have the game and i bought on month 1 , and its not labeld.

[GUNS N SWORDS]

lost odyssey
blue dragon
halo3
gears2
pgr3
pgr4
forza2
kameo
perfect dark zero
Viva Piñata
Viva Piñata: Trouble in Paradise
and Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts

have "only on xbox" labels as well, and from the last time i checked they still do. ps3 games are in the same position, not all but only few are going multiplat as well (like tekken6 and ff13).

edit to (Jager),....... since when did i put that in my statement?

[Jager]

@ Guns n Swords

FF13 and Tekken 6 are made by 3rd party devs, no First party ps3 game is going multiplat.

[PirateThom]

What?

All the games Microsoft either own the IP rights or paid for?

Not really a winning argument there.

[El_Colombiano]

GUNS N SWORDS,

You just epically failed. Hard. All those are owned or payed for by Microsoft themselves. What we mean to say is that 3rd parties aren't stupid enough to limit themselves to the 360. Most 3rd party "Exclusives" on 360 are also on PS3. Even some 1st party "Exclusives" show up on other platforms, throwing away the need to buy a 360 (which are what exclusives are for). Now 3rd parties know PS3 is where the money is and make real exclusives for it.

PS3 EA's biggest earner anybody? Konami's biggest earner anybody? Yeah.

[Marceles]

The "Only on Xbox 360" tag is usually only on Microsoft Game Studios boxes or games that are also on Windows, which they also include that. But most of the time if it's not made by MGS, the tag isn't on there. For instance, Star Ocean 4 doesn't have it yet it's supposed to be totally exclusive to the 360.

I wouldn't really take the tag seriously other then them meaning "Only on Xbox 360" and then in little writing you need a microscope for saying "at the time of release".

[7ero H3LL]

Jager, he's obviously talking about 3rd party, and so is "bioshock", "tales of vesperia" and "mgs4" for that same matter.

[GUNS N SWORDS]

yes, i am talking about 3rd parties,

"All those are owned or payed for by Microsoft themselves. What we mean to say is that 3rd parties aren't stupid enough to limit themselves to the 360."

(El_Colombiano) you don't really have no proof or ANY detail as to what deals Microsoft makes (owned). and wii has 3rd party games as well.....and even though the wii is weaker than 360 those games are using the wii to it's capabilities, so i don't see why you even brought that up (owned twice)

.....and what do you mean WE, i was never directing my statement towards you. "What WE mean to say"

(sh!t, you make it a habit of taking things so personal.....(owned 3 times :)

"Now 3rd parties know PS3 is where the money is and make real exclusives for it."

.......and yet a lot of 3rd parties games run better on 360 even to this day. (owned 4 times :)

[El_Colombiano]

"(El_Colombiano) you don't really have no proof or ANY detail as to what deals Microsoft makes (owned). and wii has 3rd party games as well.....and even though the wii is weaker than 360 those games are using the wii to it's capabilities, so i don't see why you even brought that up"

The fact the Microsoft Game Studios logo is on the game kinda maybe means its first party or second party. Just in case you're a tad slow, that means Microsoft owns the game's rights. You seem to be lost too, as I was never talking about hardware capabilities. I was talking about how third parties seem to never make a game for only 360 anymore. I don't see why you even brought that up.

"Now 3rd parties know PS3 is where the money is and make real exclusives for it."

"and yet a lot of 3rd parties games run better on 360 even to this day."

Again, you've lost yourself in this bickering. It seems its too much for you to comprehend. We are talking about 3rd party games made only for 360 coming to PS3. I said it earlier. PS3 is where the cash is at for these companies and they know it. Thats why the 360 is constantly losing so called exclusives, while the PS3 continues to rack'em up.

And to the whole games run better on 360, we both know which console is supirior graphically. Petty little third party games don't matter. Although if that was the case, I could easily play them 10x better on my PC.

Now stop embarrassing yourself.

[daous]

"lost odyssey
blue dragon"

Were RPGs made by Mistwalker and another company that was fully owned by MS Japan. MS fully funded these collaborative RPG projects for the 360. However, they don't own IP rights to the Blue Dragon FRANCHISE, since a DS game came out last year. But it's likely MS owns the publishing rights for the original Blue Dragon RPG, which they helped develop.

"halo3"

Created by Bungie Studios, who were bought by MS. MS also owns the rights to the HALO franchise, even when Bungie left them as a 1st party.

"gears2"

This is the only game that supports the "only on Xbox" label from the ones you mentioned. Indeed, MS does not own the rights to Gears of War, but the 3rd party / middleware company, EPIC Games.

"pgr3
pgr4"

Were developed by Bizarre Creations, but fully PUBLISHED by Microsoft, worldwide. Although Bizarre Creations is not owned by MS, Microsoft does own the publishing and IP rights to the PGR franchise (much like how Sony owns the Ratchet and Clank, and Resistance franchises, despite Insomniac Games not being owned by Sony).

"kameo
perfect dark zero
Viva Piñata
Viva Piñata: Trouble in Paradise
and Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts"

These games were made by the developers at Rare, who were BOUGHT by Microsoft after Nintendo didn't want to buy them when Rare was on sale. Thus Rare is a 1st party MS studio, so obviously they would be Xbox 360 exclusive.

As you can see, all but one of these games were either created by 1st party MS studios or the franchises are fully owned by MS.

[Hiruma Youchi]

X360 Kinda Sucks now Losing every Exclusive and only having Gay Games like Halo Wars and Ninja Blades.

Tales Of Vesperia my favorite game is coming on PS3 with the best Version.

Eternal Sonata To the best Version is on PS3

Dead Rising

Bioshock

Lost Planet

Whuts the use of keeping the X360 Now?

Alan wake and Mass Effect 2 ? I can play them on my Sisters CPU

Imma Sell my X360 and Buy a PS3 so I can Borrow game with my Big Brother

[ThatCanadianGuy]

Yes, Join the dark side.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

"Imma Sell my X360 and Buy a PS3 so I can Borrow game with my Big Brother"

Here let me fix that for you.

"Imma have my mommie and daddie sell my X360 and buy me a PS3"

There was a reason you were already on my ignore list fool.

[Obama]

I remember u used to be a big bot but now you have changed side apparently?

[360 man]

360 kinda sucks just like your girlfriend kinda sucks my...... JOHNSON 'yes sir'

[ChozenWoan]

If people wanna troll, they need to go all out. Your avi pic is just the bomb and the fact you actually used the open zone for your work is commendable. Good Job solder.

[OmarJA]

360 kinda sucks just like ChozenWoan butt & 360 man's balls...

Welcome to the open zone.

[NegativeCreep427]

OH Hardy-F*cking-Har!!!

That why I love you Xbox dingle-hangers. So god damn original and so witty.

360 Man has now officially received my nomination for...N4G Super Retard of the month.

[360 man]

@ negativecreep427

i know mein its just so fockin retarded

@ chozenwoan

bubbles to you mate. at least were honest and we acknowledge deres a fanboy war going on

[irish-leprecaun]

i think the word "little" will fit nicely before the word JOHNSON in the 360 man's statement!!

[heyheyhey]

i think internet smack talk has reached a new low

jeez..

[kws1065]

Some people still believe "Only on Xbox 360" mark lol. It means nothing and history can prove it.

It'll be out everywhere, so don't worry about importing from Japan or something.

[Tykis]

The 360 version sold almost nothing in NA. So a PS3 version is more than likely.

[Kain81]

all my friends bought the PS3 cause the RPGs like myself.

[indysurfn]

If you and your friends bought PS3 for RPG's than both you and your friends are VERY stupid. The xbox has the most and best RPG's Most of Squares RPG's are exclusive to the xbox360. With only FFXIII being the exception. But it will run smoother and look better and load fast one the xbox360. No inferrior graphics like the PS3 version. Just look at any game release list would have told you which system to buy for rpg's. FANTOY!

[jackdoe]

A little too negative eh? Ninja Gaiden 2 had the "Only On" logo and was rumored to have been published by MS and look at that title! Also, Namco Bandai wouldn't be suckered into another Tales of Symphonia debacle; they learned their lesson.

[El_Colombiano]

Haha it was published by M$.

[infamous_27]

No offical word from Namco= False.

[Kain81]

said they have no Information on a PS3 version.
If TOV is a Xbox only in US than Namco had said that there will be no PS3-version, but they said there is no Info.

I would say it will come to US/EU 100%

[Redempteur]

tales of the world radiant mythology .it can come LATER in a sliglt différent package ...

at first Namco NA had no information and then they annonced it ...

i believe something similar will happen here

[be_wrong]

the article said that it had the worst sales in the tales history, but this is one of the games that pulled the sales of 360 on japan. and many 360 owners rejoiced having it to be exclusive, so am not really sure if he really knew what he was talking about :P but i do think that it'll have an american release probably by 2010

[ShawnCollier]

The sales in Japan were less than the previous games in the series. Also, due to the small console sales compared to the Wii or PS3, the X360 sales are going to be bumped up whenever a high-profile title like this is released.

[PELVIC THRUST ACTION]

You think Namco isn't going to want to make as much money back as possible? Tales of Vesperia in the US sold around 40k and only 150k in Japan. You honestly think they're not going to try to get their mitts on as much cash as they can after the wonderful Swan Dive failure of the 360 version failing to recoup costs? Hah. Yeah right. Eternal Sonata on the PS3 had new characters, reworked storyline, and new ending and that still came over here.

BTW. I also love the logic of the only on Xbox 360 sticker. Enchanted Arms had that in the US. Bioshock had it. Eternal Sonata had it. And where are they all now? The Only on 360 sticker means as much as the drunk mans word.

[Redempteur]

Eternal sorata got ported with the new things on ps3
Persona 3 : fes even with the news dialogs got released

New japanese audio should not prevent the release of a game on another console ....

Also namco is putting alot on the tales of series ... also is it written IN THE GAME that m$ did take part in the localisation ..
because it was for nintendo in tales of symphonia gamecube ..

If M$ didn't do anything namco can do as they see fit AND release the game when it's done ...

For the sales, maybe namco should ... not release a tales of when there is so much going on in a month ( tales of abyss ) or on a console where rpgs sold well ( tales of vespéria ) then i think they 'll have enough sales

And last argument
"ONLY ON XBOX" doesn't do a thing ..see bioshock , eternal sorata , ninja gaiden ..

[militant07]

as i said above, ES didnt have the "only on xbox360"label .

ToV/Bioshock/NG2 did

[Sanhlami]

Do you like fishsticks?

[Why o why]

im a genius :)

[XxZxX]

yes i like them in my mouth. Blow me.

[Obama]

In other words, the author is jealous of the complete version and hope it doesn't see the light of the day in the US. I bet he's one of those ppl who say it will never appear on the ps3 initially.

[icup2]

The 360 owners laugh at ps3 owners when their loss their exclusive game, now the table have turned.

KARMA IS A B!TCH !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[indysurfn]

Who laughed first? Wasn't it Sony fantoys bragging, and laughing how FF games, and GTA games would never be on the xbox360? Ain't karma a B, I hate hypocrisy.

You say you lost your exclusives? How does Microsft making a exclusive into multiplatform lose it as a exclusive? Microsoft did not turn them into exclusives, instead they got them on their system first(timed exclusives).

Then the left overs can go to the PS3 6 months to a year later if the publisher thinks the money spent translating it will be more than made up by the sales (in a lot of cases it does not).

Or if they are better off using that development team on another project. Example it took them 13 months to translate Bioshock, with a few extras. That is 13 months of development cost. That is more than half the amount of time it takes to make a gears of war, or halo game. Expensive, but worth it if the game has good sales. But if the game does not have good sales it is a loss. On the flip side of that, it usually takes 1 month to translate a PS3 game to the xbox360, and up the textures, and way up the AI, and usually double the frame rate, when going to the xbox360. Which means it is almost always worth it. Sometimes(rarely) there is a 6 month to 12 month exclusive for a PS3 game(specifically I'm thinking MGS4 here).

What day did MGS4(metal gear solid 4) release last year, ah yes June 12th, 2008. So about a week after this years E3 we will know for sure if MGS4 is going to betray the PS3 for cash.

Ain't Karma a B?

[Anon1974]

Sony fans never claimed FF or GTA would never go multiplatform. They've been multiplatform forever. We all know that neither of those games started out with Sony, and neither of those franchises have ever been exclusive to Sony. I played GTA San Andreas on my Xbox.

Now you can ask how an exclusive going multiplatform is a lost exclusive. Perhaps I should grab you a dictionary to look up what "exclusive" means, just to clear up any confusion.

Personally, I could care less if a game goes mulitplatform. More money in the pockets of developers means they can make more games. What I do have issue with is games being held back due to having to make the game for the "lowest common denominator". Just look at comments from Terminal Reality or Id to see proof that this is going on. That stinks. Developers never used to bother with making sure each game was identical. Chances are if it came out on the PS2 and Xbox, the Xbox game would be superior due to the system's beefed up specs and harddrive. Now the opposite is true, the PS3 is the beefier system and yet games are being dumbed down on to make it easier to port to the 360.

Anyway, the 360 fans have been howling at the moon and thumping their chest when a Sony game is announced that it's going multiplatform. If Sony fans want to gloat a little bit when one goes the other way, they're entitled to a little payback.

[Azurite]

Personally I wouldn't mind they just subbed it.

[Phantom_T]

icup2.

This is a discussion of whether a game is being released into certain areas or not.
Cant the fanboyism be kept out for just one article?

[JD_Shadow]

WHAT fanboy drivel are you talking about?

We're saying that this article used the worst data avaliable to make his point.

He points out sales data in Japan, which is not exactly the only thing that would drive someone to want to port a game over one way or another.

He cited the "Only on 360" sticker, which has caused a TON of confusion in its own right. It may have not been on there in Japan because that is not their strongest territory. They might want to keep the sticker on the US version to drive more sales of the game from their strongest territory, regardless of what eventually transpires with the game's exclusivity in other territories.

This is not really about fanboyism. It's more about picking which weapons to bring to the fight, and this guy decided to bring a knife to a gun fight.

[Obama]

The sale of this game is absolutely horrible, and this is no ordinary rpg, it's the tales series which is pretty famous around the globe. VC even manged to outsell it by 0.10m. No wonder they have to bring it to the ps3 to make a profit.

Here's the new trailer for the ps3 version for anyone who haven't seen it.
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Obama]

I forgot to thank my fellow xbox owners who beta tested the game for us. Thank you very much.

[heyheyhey]

they did a great job beta testing Ninja Gaiden 2 i think.. gave Tecmo the oppurtunity to fix the numerous issues and up the visuals and put extra content on the BluRay

thanks guys :) 'preciate the hard work and will be enjoying online co-op with Ninja Gaiden Sima 2 later this year

but i hear Microsoft doesn't pay you for all this beta testing you do? what's up with that? i thought they had deep pockets? that $300m lawsuit must've hit them hard

[laved]

I for one, believe that this will be released in the US, unless i've gone insane and companies don't want to sell their product for lots of money.

[Cyb3r]

Im in a bit of a dilemma now should I buy the European 360 version or wait then import the US PS3 version?

[dan_chan89]

i say wait since it has extras right? :O

[Kamikaze135]

All we'll hear is "lol, been there done that. we played this game last year!!". The thing about a fanboy is that they change their arguments when things get altered. For instance

[jackdoe]

I'm assuming it comes out within a month of the JP release, ala Eternal Sonata.

[JOEdANGEL]

Releasing this on the PS3 in Japan is a very good move, though I doubt releasing it on PS3 in america would significantly increase sales. I still hope it does, though I don't think there is a very large market for that game there. None of the past tales games with the exception of Symphonia, have cracked 500k in the states.

[Becko]

Of course this game is coming to the USA, is not only popular enough but the companies needs more money as well.

[chidori666]

more one x..... thank you 360fixmeplease for the beta game of tales of vesperia ;)

[JeepGamer]

The author is trying, almost desperately it seems, to convince themselves that there is just "No Way" this whole "Vesperia On PS3" is happening.

[Knightofelemia]

Namco could push the graphics a bit better change the hero abit along with all the side quests and maybe a few more music tracks. There are ways to bend around the contract if they signed one with Microsoft, I mean Temco is doing it with the new Ninja Gaiden game. I really do hope this game comes to the PS3 Valkyra Chrobicles and Enternal Sonota quenched my thirst but Tales is a must. This title if anything is a timmed exclusive meaning Namco can do whatever they want with it, I just wish Sony would step in and try and push Namco to bring this game to the PS3

[Jikla]

If this comes to the ps3 in EU or the US, then I will not buy the xbox 360 version of it. Just because they didn't bring it to EU earlier. And it's with extra stuff :O

[NotSoSilentBob]

In the words of Xbox 360 fans before Metal Gear Solid 4 was release "Being multiplat will be the greatest return of funding" Just because a few Rpgs did not sell well doesn't mean they all will not.

[jBat17]

this game isn't out there yet.. might as well get the ps3 version with all its added content.. oh yeah, the crapbox only play dvd. the new content won't fit in even on 8 dvds

[Enigma_2099]

... just add subtitles... spare me the BAD voicework.

[JeepGamer]

We've gotten decent voice work, particularly in the Tales games, for several years now... And the voice work in the 360 version is fine.

[Enigma_2099]

... but not wasting time with redubbing would help to speed up localization of said games, wouldn't it...

Oh look, Disagreeing Troll is Disagreeing... and without a single explanation... I think he knows where he can go....

[JeepGamer]

It would 'speed up' localization and absolutely destroy any hope of selling it to more than a few hardcore fans.

[JD_Shadow]

Reasons for this being that, one, the PS3 is region free and if people wanted it that badly, they could just buy an imported version, and Sony would REALLY sue the crap out of whoever would be responsible for region-locking a game for those kinds of purposes. It would be a lost cause for that reason alone.

But look at what MS is being faced with right now: People who are being heavily critical of what weapons MS is continuing to use for this battle. The DLC and the third party exclusives tactic is not guaranteed, and I think them pursuing US exclusivity on this game when they could build up their first parties and try to give us true exclusives and new games would be foolish. I think even hardened 360 fanboys want some real exclusives and games that would justify their purchase and are tiring of the DLC/third party route.

If I was MS, I would not worry too much about this and focus more time on Halo ODST and the inevitable Fable 3.

[laaakokaracha]

the usual BS

happy eastern!

[axeru777]

I'm waiting for this game, Hopefully a US release date will be announced soon

[devilhunterx]

Eternal Sonata says HI

[gintoki777]

If this game sold sh!t in NA why would they bother to keep it to themeselves. Many people dont even play rpg's on the 360 its more of a shooter sports console. w/e fck microsoft stick to ur windows not gaming