PS3 Owners Don't Buy Games? Yea Right

There has been much discussion as to whether or not Playstation 3 owners purchase as many games as Xbox 360 owners. The general consensus is they don't. With a little research, one is able to uncover the truth. The results are surprising.

[Spike47]

so they bash the game's decent sales and say that PS3 owners don't buy games.
Truth is Sony doesn't throw in the huge marketing campaigns that MS does, so you can't expect games to sell close to Halo 3.

[FlameBaitGod]

Agreed with what you said. If i read right, M$ spends 30mil on ads for many of their games. that's a lot.

[Why dis]

Haters and not devs?

"In order to find a more definitive answer as to whether or not PS3 owners actually purchased less games than 360 owners, I decided to do a comparison of 9 of the most popular multiplatform games that have been released in roughly the last year."

^^ Most popular multi platform games were Playstation exclusives or associated with the Playstation brand. Its like old popular Xbox exclusives going multi platform and people saying xbox 360 fans buy games because they are being purchased despite the PS3 versions always selling more.

[soxfan2005]

Why is somehow considered taboo to spend money promoting your games and consoles? PS3 supporters try to make Sony look like some independent Mom & Pop operation, unable to produce large advertising budgets, being squeezed out of the market, while Microsoft is almost considered "evil" because they give their products the support they deserve. People seem to have very short memories, because since the introduction of the PS1, Sony was always the company with the biggest advertising campaigns. As a matter of fact, it is widely believed by marketing experts that Sony's intensive marketing of the PS1 created the huge game market as we know it today. Don't blame a company for doing what is the best interests of their products.

[thats_just_prime]

anyone can get the numbers to do anything they want. Its funny how ps3 fanboy were all hhg suck when he post like 1 pro 360 article now that he's posting pro sony crap again all of a sudden they are all back to OMFG I love the hiphopps3fangirl

Ps3

KZ2 1.3 million
Haze 0.73 million
NGS 0.45 million

Total 2.48 million games sold

360

Halo 3 9.40 million
Gears 5.87 million
Gears 2 4.75 million

Total 19.22 million games sold

Its obvious that the 360 sells 8 times as many games.

Not that vgcharts uses actual data of any kind or that the hiphopfangirl doesnt have his lips so tight around sony's @ss that his full of sh!t

[indysurfn]

Sony is ten times better at advertising than Microsoft! They have the best commercials I've seen! Halo 3 is the only thing that Microsoft has done a decent job on(gears fail because the game looks better than the commercial that is a negative selling job!) Give Sony a break on that. I have NEVER seen Sony make a game look worse than it is in a commercial. They have awesome advertising talent! Kick ars! The marketing department is blamed for everything there. First for being arrogant (which they have stopped). Now for not having big advertisements? Even now I see killzone 2 commercials, way after launch! And social commercials showing all kinds of games on the walls ceiling, they look sweet!

The only thing wrong with PS3 besides price is there needs to be more AAA titles. And better graphics in more games (especially multi-platform games) Because people will buy it if it is there. Right now I see a run of games that are fully 1080p coming out on 360 I think it is about to become a standard. All Sony needs to do is share the engines they make!

Look at the attach ratio, that is what shows how many games a person buys per system. That is why it is called: wait for it.....ATTACH-ratio! How many games are attached (bought) with each system, hench the words ATTACH-RATIO! If there are 8 games attached to a xbox360, and 5 attached to PS3 than that means xbox gamers buy that many AVERAGE per console! No need to skew the numbers by excluding Halo3, killzone2, gears of war2, little big planet, fable II, metal gear solid4. ATTACH RATIO say it!
A.T.T.A.C.H R.A.T.I.O. There we go Kyle there we go!

This is just a select small amount of games. There are 33+ AAA million sellers on xbxo360, and about 10 on PS3. That is why it sales less (beside price, and multi-platform graphics).

The average age for a ps3 owner is older than a xbox360 owner which means we have more money to buy games with! I know a FEW people did buy the ps3 for movies but frankly for $189 at walmart.com you could get a blu-ray player, and some movies, plus some change, before you spend $400 for a ps3 for movies! Those where the early buyers not the current ones that is a old argument against ps3 owners.

The attach ratio tells you how many games per system are bought! DUH! That is what it is for! That is what developers, and publishers use! This is a self serving analysis, you can make any number if you are allowed to select a certain criteria! With this criteria you are not letting the exclusives be part of the comparison! What are you scared of?

[I did not murder him]

http://www.metacafe.com/wat...

Must be hundreds of ads like this Sony hammered us with ads so often I can't get the PS chime-bing sound out of my head.

PLAYSTATION *in womans slight computer voice*

[ShadowRyuX]

I see your fangirl is showing. Comparing Haze & Ninja Gaiden Sigma to Halo 3 and GeoW? That is just ridiculously slanted! If you want a real comparison at least compare top sellers!

PS3 Top 5:
1. GTAIV - 5.53m
2. CoD4: MW - 4.12m
3. MGS4 - 3.89m
4. R:FOM - 3.57m
5. Motorstorm - 3.47m
Total: 20.58m
Consoles per top 5 games: 1.04
360 Top 5:
1. Halo 3 - 9.40m
2. CoD4:MW - 7.21m
3. GTAIV - 6.95m
4. GeoW - 5.87m
5. CoD:WaW - 5.24m
Total: 34.67
Consoles per Top 5 games: 0.85

So the top 5 360 titles have roughly 1.68x the sales of the PS3 top 5. Now while that is a lead, it is a realistic lead and not your overbearing fanboyism.

[kurochi]

@ 1.7

You have a point.....

However, I'd like to see how much actual profit MS and Sony makes after all is said and done. I have a strong feeling that Sony makes more profit on these games than MS due to MS' huge cost in their advertising campaign for each of their games.

But what do I know? I'm just a lowly gamer..... looking to get off on the next Japanese rape game.....

[beans]

"The average age for a ps3 owner is older than a xbox360 owner which means we have more money to buy games with" Your entire argument went to nothing after that comment. How in the heck do you know who makes more money than another? If I remember correctly at the launch of PS3 those guys looked no different than the guys standing in line then the guys at launch for 360. Quit stereo typing unless you have a link to back your claim. Also attach ratio means a lot to MS and Sony but total games sold are what developers are looking at and gamers hoping for a sequel or exclusives. I will admit that PS2 use to have the best commercials but now it's all xbox.

Edit above 1.8: With numbers like that the advertisement is easily payed for. 360 makes more profit because it's cheaper to develop for and sells more games. One thing he needs to add is exclusive content for 360 which means MS makes even much more money on top of the original sale. Also don't forget how cheap it was to make gears versus KZ2 and MGS4. I bet Sony is losing a lot of money on games unlike MS.

[RememberThe357]

Well a couple of years ago Sony Corp. decided that they wanted SCE to start making money. I know, weird right?

Well, when your not making money the first pile of cash that gets cut off is the advertising budget. When your advertising budget gets cut, you can't advertise as much.

Hens why we in the Americas don't see much advertising, because SCEA is having a hard time making money.

SCE is trying to maintain profitability, you can't do that by throwing a butt load of money at a huge advertising champaign.

I'm one of those people who wants SCE to advertise more. It would pay for itself by getting more people aware of the great games they publish. The more people aware of your game the more people to buy it. But, I suppose you can't spend what you don't have.

[ZuperAmazingCooKie]

Xbox 360 has been significantly cheaper upfront since launch, so assuming PS3 and 360 demographics are more or less the same, then 360 owners would have additional disposable income to spend on games, at least initially.

Xbox 360 has been out in the market longer.

PS3 has gotten some sh1tty ports of multiplatform games, so why should they sell well on PS3? Take the orange box, or Madden 07 or the Wheelman. Hell, take any timed exclusive on 360, why should they sell a lot on PS3? PS3 owners will have moved on towards newer games, and that applies to games like Tales of Vesperia, Eternal Sonata, Bioshock, Lost Planet, etcetera.

Regardless of what Sony did for PS1 or PS2 in their respective eras in terms of marketing (which is irrelevant today), it is undeniable that Xbox 360 exclusives have gotten a whole lot more advertising in comparison to PS3 exclusives, timed or not.

Achievements have been standard on 360 since it launched, PS3 barely got trophies as a standard this year. Not that *that* is an excuse for Sony or PS3 owners, but it's certainly another valid explanation.

First party game sales shouldn't be considered by Xbox fanboys in terms of "reasons for third parties to keep supporting Xbox 360". Halo 3 game sales and Gears of War game sales are irrelevant to every other third party developer that didn't make those games. It's obvious that a game like Halo, which is a household name and which got as much advertising budget as it got for its "development" budget, will outsell a game like Uncharted which is not household, has no multiplayer, and little or no advertising, not to mention a smaller install base and is not as easy to pick up and play like Halo, not to mention it's not a gorefest like Gears of War or a porn game. Killzone 2 is a sequel to a critically smashed game and it didn't get as much budget as Halo 3. Regardless of all these facts, 3rd party devs only care about their own sales, and so far AAA third party games have sold on PS3 and 360 on a very similar ratio to their install base ratios. Take RE5, Burnout, Devil May Cry, Street Fighter, COD, GTAIV, etcetera. They're not as far apart as first party games are; and who cares if first party games are far apart? Sony has a different business model, and Sony probably makes as much profit from their own development houses as Microsoft does even if it sells less, because it advertises less, so both Microsoft and Sony have as much incentive to make first party games (but then again, why is Microsoft closing studios and Sony opening new studios?). As a gamer I don't care who sells more or profits more, I care about having more games to play and I'm very satisfied with both consoles.

The PlayStation brand isn't defined by a single genre or game like Nintendo is by Mario and the touch generations or Xbox is by Halo and Gears. PlayStation has many moderate selling games spanning several genres. If developers only cared about total game sales, then Wii would be getting all the love and it isn't. Not everything is pink in Xbox land anyway, check Banjo Kazooie, Perfect Dark, Kameo, Viva Piñata... they're not console sellers or Halo-like sellers.

Xbox fanboys should get through their skulls that PS3 is catching up relatively fast, especially in terms of third party game sales and that's why so many games are being announced for PS3, in fact more exclusives are. Not only that, but the lack of piracy on PS3 is definitely attractive, so much so that it makes sense to make PS3 exclusives since it guarantees that, by being available in no other format, you'll either have to buy the game or simply not play it.

[UltraNova]

Personally I have bought 46 games on the ps3 so far and I have like 10 more waiting on my amazon wish list to be bought as well..

All of my friends who have ps3's have at least 15 games in their collection, whereas friends of mine who have a 360 most of them since launch have about 20 (3 1/2 years now) 5 out of the 7 who owned 360's defected to a ps3 (that happened when I bought GT 5:P along with my 52" FULL HD screen and they came over to see the game, I haven't seen so many jaws fell on the ground since then :p). So this notion of ps3 owners not buying games is all crap for me...

In my opinion no other console has this ability..to make people defect from other systems. There isnt a single game on the 360 that would defect me to it, why? the best games on the 360 are also on the pc and my brothers PC is a regular home supercomputer... If Alan finally wakes (and I am still in my 20s :p) and it doesnt come out on the pc which most probably will I will consider buying it for my diehard 360 buddy so we can play it together. But thats about it...

Now dont get all worked up you 360 lovers I am not bashing the 360 I am simply saying that the 360 no longer appeals to me and my circle of friends and its easy to see why simply by looking on the ps3's line up so far and even better the line up which is to come!

Now I only have 1hr left better go back to Kilzone now!

[SaiyanFury]

PS3 owners don't buy games? Really? Last I checked, I have over 30 games for my PS3 alone. Let alone my ability to import PS3 games from other regions and have them play on my system. I have games for my 360, and for my PSP (some also region free). I don't buy games? Heh, if that's what the author of this article wants to believe, then he's in the dark. The large majority of games I buy this gen is for my PS3.

[SL1M DADDY]

So all else matters not to me. So many articles from the HHG-Show... Too bad none of the works are any good.

For the record, I used to like him but lately he is more concerned with his rating than his quality. Dump Davis already, he has made you bitter and hungry for more ratings. One day you will look back and see what you have become and wish you would have secured a more stable fanbase. Catering to the fanboys is a path to quick dissolution.

[Megatron08]

ps3 fanboys are to stupid to know how to buy games is the problem all the ps3 games that have sold a million plus have all been "sold" with ps3. Sony give anyway more games then they actually sell

[Fallen_Angel]

The only reason ps3 has any game sells at all are the extreme diehard fanboys that will buy any game as long as its a ps3 exclusive no matter how crappy it is. The ps3 is a great system for lil unheard of companies (or companies that make bad games)to make games for cause sony will pay for the exclusive and fanboys will buy it and hype it to be the 2nd coming of the ps3 no matter how god awful the game is *cough* mgs4 *cough*

On the other hand 360 has so many AAA games that its hard for new titles to stand out.

[ps3d0]

WB hiphopfangirl you are once again the beloved SDF hero of n4g

[JeffGUNZ]

What? Is it opposite day? Dude, check out Gears 1 and Gears 2 commercials, they are unbelievable. Look at KZ2's, it's a joke, it's a bullet going slow across a screen, which shows it's going to hit the enemy. That's the only TV commercial I have seen for that game, it should have had like 5 commercials, since this game was their money maker. Their advertising is pathetic, they just expect people to know what games are coming out and when. To sit here and type that Sony is better advertising then Micorsoft is just pure fanboy hatred. Sony is great and all, but they need to work on their advertising for this gen, it's non-existent.

[Tito Jackson]

SPEND money to MAKE money.
Simple.

[The gaming GOD]

Just look at the later multiplatform releases (RE5 SF4 Tomb Raider) and you see that the ps3 versions are outselling the 360 version despite this 8million unit console lead MS loves to talk about. So how fanboys love to say "oh people only buy ps3 for blu ray" is just flat out ignorant.

[indysurfn]

I can't believe you said that! You mean you didn't know the salary goes up by age? Now you need a link?
Link is at the bottom but a summary is pasted below this line.

Average Salary by Age

Younger than 30 - $33,333

31-40 - $43,941

41-50 - $57,258

51-60 - $57,787

61 and Older - $50,581

http://www.aamft.org/resour...

And there are a million links like it!

[soxfan2005]

Using those games as examples proves nothing because there are other AAA games in that same timespan that sell at close to a 2-1 ratio in favor of 360. Call of Duty:World at War, Fallout 3, Saints Row 2, etc.

[beans]

I wonder though if wii owners are actually older than both 360 and PS3 gamers. They never talk mess and just enjoy what they have unlike us. Maybe the fanboy arguments are the sole reason MS an Sony can't get a break this gen.

[uxo22]

"As it turns out, a higher percentage of the PS3 install base bought multi-platform title when compared to the 360 version"

Smaller numbers will aways result in higher percentages. If console #1 sells 1,000,000 units of software and has an install base of 3,000,000 that would equate to 33.3 percent. On the other hand if a console #2 sells 10,000,000 and has an install base of 30,000,000 that too would equate to 33.3 percent. But the bottom line is that console #2 sold 9,000,000 more units of software than console #1.

The reason I mention this is simple, publishers and developers can care less what percentage of a install base bought a title. They would much rather be treated to high unit sells. They make their money on per units sold. The percentage game can be tricky and very misleading.

"Disregard those raw sales numbers to the left, as they were simply used as cell references to calculate the Xbox 360 percentages"

Okay, so what was used to calculate the PS3 percentages? Additionally where did the author get his numbers from and are they accurate? He would need to get accurate numbers on all the games that he chose to use in his expperiment and the accurate number of consoles sold for all included consoles.

I guess what I'm say here is that this article is pointless and simple only serves as flame bait, and the information is most likely NOT accurate.

Lastly, did the author, choose the titles that would best fit his position on how he wanted it to turn out? I see he said that he wanted to compare the most popular games.

[Icecold33]

Great point, I even took the liberty of displaying the actual numbers that show the unit sells differential. To further show how easily numbers can be used to mislead people.

---------------360-------%--- -----PS3------------%------360 Diff +/-
GTA IV-----6,963,840----23%------- 5,530,000-----26%______+1,433, 8 40
WAW--------5,240,000----18%-- -----3,130,000-----15%______+2 , 110,000
FIFA 09----1,760,000----6%--------2 ,080,000-----10%_______(320,00 0 )
FALLOUT 3--2,630,000----9%--------1,36 0,000-----6%_______+1,270,000
RE5--------1,350,000----5%--- -----1,530,000-----7%________( 1 80 ,000)
Madden 09--2,260,000----8%--------1,5 60,000-----7%________+700 ,000
NFS--------1,920,000----6%--- -----1,630,000-----8%________+ 2 90 ,000
Starwars---1,660,000----6%--- -----1,140,000-----5%________+ 5 20 ,000
COD4-------7,210,000----24%-- -----4,120,000-----19%______+3 , 090,000

Avg---------------------12%-- -------------------11%______+8 , 913,840

[aaron5829]

I'd really like to understand your point...

But errr... maybe it's just me, but that's so confusing.

lol

Good try though.

[KingME]

Numbers can be tricky, it actually depends on what the author is trying to get you to see (whether he wants to mislead you or not.)

What Icecold was saying is: (Bottom line)

GTA IV +1,433,840 for the 360
WAW +2,110,000 for the 360
FIFA 09 +320,000 For the PS3
FALLOUT 3 +1,270,000 For the 360
RE5 +180,000 For the PS3
Madden 09 +700 ,000 for the 360
NFS +290,000 for the 360
Starwars +520,000 for the 360
COD4 +3,090,000 for the 360

Overall in these 9 games the 360 has sold 8,913,840 more units
(numbers taken from VGCharts of course.)

[popcan]

The only AAA game is G rated and the only worthy content on the PS3 has no multiplayer, is about 2-3 hours long, and has 'Special Features' and 'Scene Selection' options on the menu.

Xbox 360's exclusives and multiplatforms outsell and out rate their PS3 counterparts. Hopefully the article will help Sony realize that the gamers come first.

There are anomalies like Wii Fit, but quality games will sell. Trust me, Sony.

[PirateThom]

Don't stop believin'
Hold on to the feelin'

[FPShooter]

I cant even begin to explain how wrong you are.

[N4PS3G]

**Source: www.vgchartz.com**

There goes the whole article .. VGchartz is good for Guesstimates ..i don't have a problem with them...but don't take them seriously..because just like the name says ..they are GUESStimates

Hitting the disagree button won't change the fact that he's using VGC numbers ..there's no way to get full numbers of world wide sales

but if this help..this are real numbers from Multiple games from the NPD..obviosluy not world wide..but accurate numbers

Assassin’s Creed - 2.3m (360), 1.15m (PS3)
Bioshock - 998k (360), 106k (PS3)
The Bourne Conspiracy - 103k (360), 83k (PS3)
Burnout Paradise - 371k (360) 306k (PS3)
Civilization Revolution - 96k (DS), 254k (360), 149k (PS3)
The Darkness - 284k (360), 133k (PS3)
Dark Sector - 139k (360), 97k (PS3)
Dead Space - 337k (360), 212k (PS3)
Dynasty Warriors 6 - 113k (360), 103k (PS3), 26k (PS2)
Eternal Sonata - 98k (360), 33k (PS3)
Fallout 3 - 1.14m (360), 452k (PS3)
Fight Night 3 - 1.19M (360) 526k (PS3)
Guitar Hero 3 - 2.37M (360) 830k (PS3) 2.75M (Wii)
Guitar Hero: World Tour - 924k (360) 466k (PS3) 1.39M (Wii)
Kane & Lynch - 300k (360), 197k (PS3)
Karaoke Revolution Presents American Idol Encore 1 - 85k (360) 46k (PS3)
Karaoke Revolution Presents American Idol Encore 2 - 20k (36o) 16k (PS3)
Lego Batman - 207k (360), 128k (PS3), 507k (PS2), 420k (Wii)
Lego Indiana Jones - 241k (360), 142k (PS3), 456k (PS2), 563k (Wii)
Mirror’s Edge - 207k (360), 125k (PS3)
Mortal Kombat vs DC - 592k (360), 512k (PS3)
Prince of Persia - 282k (360), 248k (PS3)
Pure - 158k (360) 92k (PS3)
Rock Band 1 - 1.65M (360) 648k (PS3) 1.03M (Wii)
Rock Band 2 - 1.02M (360) 384k (PS3) 353k (Wii)
Saints Row 2 - 480k (360), 188k (PS3)
Saints Row 2 [Collector's Edition only] - 30k (360), 11k (PS3)
Shaun White - 271k (360), 141k (PS3), 537k (Wii)
Silent Hill 5 - 73k (360), 84k (PS3)
Skate - 606k (360) 202k (PS3)
Sonic Unleashed - 113k (360), 69k (PS3), 315k (Wii)
Soul Calibur 4 - 500k (360), 353k (PS3)
Star Wars Force Unleashed - 823k (360) 464k (PS3) 626k (Wii) 175k (DS) 263k (PSP) 352k (PS2)
Tiger Woods 09 - 216k (360), 174k (PS3), 565k (Wii)
Unreal Tournament III - 164k (360) 219k (PS3)

http://platformers.net/2009...

He's using VGchartz...you can read it at the end of the article...
I'm cool with VGchartz numbers but atleast i know they don't represent real numbers

but whatever believe whatever you want

;)

[anubis12]

look at those disagrees.....some people are obviously blind lol

[PirateThom]

Ah yes, NDP, America... where the 360 has a lead of millions, but the game difference is hundres of thousands of units.

Add in Europe and the difference, well, it doesn't look so "vast".

Maybe we should just take Japanese sales to prove PS3 sells more consoles than 360 worldwide.

[pwnsause]

i like how 360 onwers use vgchartz to their advantage when the numbers look "right" to them.

[ukilnme]

@ pwnsause

I can't help but add that it goes both ways.

[N4PS3G]

I know NPD is only for america...i stated that before..and Obviously japanese numbers should be added...but sadly ..half of the games on that list ( mostly western games )don't sell 3 copies for neither console in japan..except for big titles like Resident Evil or GTA

The only missing numbers are from Europe..and thats what i was stating..that there's no way to get full world wide numbers..because only the NPD and Japan (Media Create) provide charts AND Sales Numbers

Obviously ..the gap is going to be smaller...so please...go on.. post Japanese numbers..its cool..both are real numbers...give them to mee and i'll post them too..i just don't have them

Like i said before ..nothing against VGchartz numbers...they are good Guesstimates...but believing they are true is something else

[lowcarb]

Well if those numbers are even close to accurate I would say PS3 fanboys in this thread need to just shut the he11 up. The PS3 can't compete with 360 in software sales period. Also there are more 360 exclusives out right now this year than PS3 exclusives, and come E3 that will grow even larger. 360 sells more worldwide and those claiming different are nothing more but in denial.

[Bubble Buddy]

N4PS3G has a point on the numbers. But this is like a spin. If we only had accurate numbers for the rest of the world BUT NA, you would see 360 isn't selling as much software as shown in only NA.

[swiftshot93]

Your list has proven that a higher percentage of PS3 owners buy games than 360 owners do. The 360 has over 2:1 lead on PS3 in America. Now look at those numbers, save for a couple most of the 360 version games did NOT have a 2:1 lead.

[raztad]

The problem with those games is that many of them were released very early in the PS3 lifespan, while MS secured time exclusive contract for some others, Bioshock comes to mind. Another thing is that PS3 has some exclusive titles that compete with multiplats, for example MotorStorm and Pure. Saint Rows had a following on the xbox but not on the PS3 before the second iteration, and then you have GTA4. Sadly, both EA new IPs sold pretty bad on both consoles nothing to brag about.

We need a new list with new data from more recenty released games. This year is pretty interesting because SF4, RE5 and a bunch of new multiplats. Overall, IMO PS3 sales have been pretty healthy and profitable and that is what matter most, not which console is selling a little more.

hhahahaha, it's pretty funny I got a phantom disagree for stating some facts :D

[icup2]

The 360 fanboi holding on to NPD like dear life, developers/company's lool to worldwide numbers and not just N.A.

[beans]

I disagree with you because you fail to give credit where it is due. Sure the PS3 has had some healthy sales, but to ignore 360 sales as if they hold nothing is just plain pathetic. You see it doesn't matter how many more consoles 360 has to PS3 because developers are only worried about how many games they can put out. I agree Sony puts out decent numbers, but when are you people going to just accept the fact that 360 just sells more games.

edit icup: If these numbers were for PS3 you know dang well you would be singing a different tune. Also what makes you think that worldwide PS3 is selling more software? Until we see some actual numbers your theory is worthless.

[soxfan2005]

@PirateThom

Your logic is flawed. What you said would make sense only if EVERY 360 owner owned just ONE game. If every 360 owner owns 9 games, which I believe is the current attach rate, the differences in sales of the multi-platform games included in those 9 would, on average, equal roughly the millions of consoles that the 360 leads by.

[RememberThe357]

Lets look at this for a moment. the 360 has a 2-1 lead over the PS3 in North America. So how in the hell do you guys actually think that showing that games sell more on the 360 then PS3 in America would surprise anyone.

The face that there is a 2-1 difference in sales of hardware yet not in software shows how well the PS3 is doing. Maybe you guys should have thought of a better way to bash a console.

You know, if the hardware sales in North America where relatively even and 360 games were outselling PS3 games like you show, then you would have a point. But as it is right now, you proved the opposite of what you were trying to prove.

And I find it funny when publishers come out with their earnings showing that the PS3 is their biggest source of revenue, and you guys act like they're lying or something, like its Sony propaganda.

Get over it. So what if one console sells a bit more games then the other? Do you guys really hate Sony that much? If so, get over it. Because they certainly don't give two sh*ts about you.

[lowcarb]

This has nothing to do with hatred for Sony. The fact that guys like you just don't want to give MS any credit for being the under dog is where the problem lies. Now if you would pay attention you will quickly understand that it doesn't matter if xbox has a 1-1 or a 6-1 lead to developers because there only concerned with the amount of games they get out. It may not sound fair but even when 360 had smaller numbers in the 10 to 15 million range they still sold more games then PS3 at the same time of life. Also just so you know, 360 gamers don't hate PS3 or Sony, and have been on defense mode ever since the original xbox. If you guys would quit acting like the world revolves around Sony the battle would quickly die out.

edit below: Ok I can't speak for everyone which is true.I'm sure there's tons of hate on both sides.

"3. I'm not a developer, and your not talking to developers. I fail to see why this matter considering how many exclusives the PS3 has on the way. Apparently they don't care as mush as you think."

It doesn't matter but it's the topic. Also we don't know whats coming out this year until E3 so let's just wait and hope the best.

"4. The world doesn't revolve around Sony it revolves around the Sun, and I don't know where I gave you the impression that I thought that"

Maybe not you but over the years I've built up this impression from many on this site. To be fair you also have 360 gamers that think it all revolves around MS.

[RememberThe357]

1. My comment was directed toward you but 360 fanboys, in general.

2. Don't speak for 360 fanboys. We all know that some hate Sony and the PlayStation. You may not (thats good), but there are some that do, and their attempts to make it look like the 360 is blowing the PS3 out of the water are ridicules.

3. I'm not a developer, and your not talking to developers. I fail to see why this matter considering how many exclusives the PS3 has on the way. Apparently they don't care as mush as you think.

4. The world doesn't revolve around Sony it revolves around the Sun, and I don't know where I gave you the impression that I thought that. I did grow up with Walkman CD players and PlayStations under my TV, but at the same time I grew up in Seattle across Lake Washington from Bill gate and Microsoft. They did a lot of stuff for the Seattle School District with sponsorship and things like that. So I have a lot of gratitude for that as well. Like Shuhei Yoshida I want to see both do well and thrive. I'm not a fanboy because I'm not an idiot (most of the time).

[Morbius420]

Uh dude...I think they care about us very much since we are thier source of revenue.

[jvillan]

is the only numbers we really have

[AngryTypingGuy]

Ah yes, percentages. Hypothetically, if only 10 PS3's were sold (just pretend for a minute, I know it's beyond some of you, so forgive me)and a multiplatform game was bought by 9 out of those 10 PS3 owners, then that means that 90% of PS3 owners bought the multiplatform title, crushing the percentages of intalled base customers who bought the same title on the 360. But the bottom line is that only 9 copies were sold.

See what I'm getting at? A slightly higher percentage of the PS3 installed base bought GTA, yet it still sold more on the 360. The bottom line is that multiplatform titles sell more on the 360.

[anubis12]

360 sells way more games....i mean you could probably add up ALL halo 3 and gears 1 and 2.......and ALLLLLLL the ps3 exclusives still don't even touch it

[HDgamer]

fanboys can play sales but not games.

[7thNightvolley]

argue with that halo3 sales are just scary

[RememberThe357]

What are you guys going to do when GT5 drops about blows everything out of the water.

This isn't to take away from how well Halo and Gears have done this gen. Or to take away from how poorly Sony's exclusives have compared in sales.

But what are you guys going to do when PS3 exclusive start to sell more the 360 exclusives. I mean all I hear you guys talk about are sales. What happens when you guys can't talk about sales anymore?

[JeffGUNZ]

Is that all you are good for on this site, a quick one-line, which you think is witty and funny, but isn't? Actually, that makes no sense what you said. How can 360 owner "play numbers". The numbers are numbers, they show how sales are, and your only come back to the sales not being in Sony's favor right now, is to take a stab at the 360. I don't know ANYONE who owns a 360 and just sits there and says "Man, I just have no games to play". You're a moron. Try adding something relevant and intelligent for once.

I am having a great time with Halo 3, Halo Wars, Gears 2, Lost & The Damned. Stop trying to speak on behalf of millions when you don't even have a 360. You sound so ignorant it's pathetic. Sony has KZ2, that's really it. Even the multiplayer on that is sub-par thanks to morons who spawn-kill/grenade the whole area.

[Spike47]

And you keep saying quality games sell. Well, yes, they sell with something called marketing kid, when there is no marketing, nobody knows about the game, therefore no sales.

[ukilnme]

@ anubis12

LOL.

I blocked that clown a long time ago.

[beans]

Whats so original about LBP? I understand they allow people to use there creative minds and build all types of worlds, but it ultimately just a 2d scroller. To be honest the game is just given way to much credit and since it's not selling anything special why even talk about it.

[Claudinho69]

that game is in a great pace of sales after the time is been out, check europe sales for instance

[RememberThe357]

I think I got this.

Let me start by saying that i didn't like LBP at all, it was charming but the jumping physics pissed me off.

With that said, LBP is an amazingly original game. The way in which you are empowered to create is unprecedented. Now notice that I said "way", I do realize that customization is nothing new to video games.

What is new is the way it has been implemented into the game. LBP makes it seamless. It's not a tacked on part at the start menu, it's completely woven into the gaming experience. The entire single player is a tutorial on how to use the level editor.

The game is also a 3D side scroller. Many people like yourself look at that and say "Mario and Sonic did that years ago, how is that original?" Great question! It's not really original at all. at least on paper. In execution it is done much differently then those titles, or any others that I've played before. People like to call it 2.5D because there are difference plains yet you can still only go left or right. The fact that it's a side scroller is not original, I'll give you that, but the way in which it is done is original.

Lastly, the part of the game that I loved the most and thought was the most original was the presentation. The presentation was amazingly well done and reminded me a bit of "Hitchhikers Guide to The Galaxy" (Movie). I can't really explain it, it had this fresh feel to it. It looked like something you don't seem in many games.

[Shadow Man]

hiphopgamershow.com

nuff said.

[DelbertGrady]

His counting is about as good as his grammar.

[CyberSentinel]

He says PS3 sold 25.7% and 360 only sold 23.4% and uses VGchartz.com as his source, yet clearly VGchartz reports different numbers...

http://www.vgchartz.com/gam...

Almost 7 million copies of GTA4 sold on Xbox, while only 5.5 million copies sold for the ps3.

Busted again you fraud.

HHG reports CoD4 as 7.2 million sales total, BUT, those are Xbox360 ONLY sales numbers, NOT ps3!

http://www.vgchartz.com/gam...

Xbox sold 7.21 million copies of CoD4 while ps3 only managed to sell 4.12 million.

Call of Duty 4 sold almost twice as many copies on Xbox360!

Busted again you fraud.

[Gaara_724]

there is over 4.12 million people on cod4 there is 5. something and no there not all multi acounts

[Shane Kim]

Cybersentinel, I think he refers to percent i.e how many GTA4's has been bought on PS3/360 per person and installbase.

[jvillan]

whats wrong with the numbers? there are no worldwide numbers... are you saying that PS3 users don't buy games? the numbers show a tie... so what are u saying?

[nightelfmohawk]

...and it's only sold around around 9 million copies. That's roughly 30% of the 360's install base.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

ONLY?? Wow, how many games can you name in the history of game releases that have sold 9.1 mil in 1.7 years?

Not everyone buys a 360 for Halo and I think you prove that point nicely. The console appeals to all types of gamers and not just Halo/Shooter fans.

[JeffGUNZ]

You just made the 360 look better, when you were trying to put it down. Halo is near or at the 10 million mark and it hasn't even been out for 2 years. That just shows how insanely popular that game is, and it still didn't reach half of the 360 install base. I would love to see ANY PS3 Exclusive to hit 10 million, it sure won't be killzone, mgs4, or LBP. What will it be, God of War? Probably will sell well, but the lack of advertising will make it sell just "good" like Killzone 2 did.

I can't believe you seriously attack Halo 3 numbers, how desperate are you? you could take a $hit, throw it against a wall and see what sticks, and that would be a better argument then the one you just came up with.

Congrats on making yourself look like a complete fanboy. It's people like you that flame this dumb console war, it's people like you who make Sony look bad. Sony is a great company, it would rather have one less customer, then an ignorant fanboy like yourself.

[kraden]

hmm to many hip thing show news these days...

[Unicron]

I haz 40 PS3 titles. Woohoo.

[Bathyj]

Wellitty, wellitty, wellitty.

So the attach rates are the same hey. PS3 owners are buying 3rd party games just as quick as Xb ownwers per capita. I guess we do buy games.

Now heres the bit you wont like.

Factor in that some people do only have a PS3 as a BR player like you're always telling us, (about 90% according to Bladestar) and that means even a smaller number of PS3 gamers are keeping that attach rate up there. Therefore PS3 gamers are buying even more games then their counterparts. Interesting huh?

[Shane Kim]

Nicely put. From this day on I'll post this chart to prove every bot that we buy more games/person than the bots. In reality, most of us are buying 2-3 copies/PS3 since most people bought the PS3 for a movie player.

[Chubear]

Couple in the fact also that a huge chunk of the PS3 fanbase either rent or for go mulitplatform games cause their are just too many PS3 exclusives in too many genres to cover.

[n to the b]

well I would say the ultimate advantage still goes to 360 since devs are more concerned with total sold, not percentages; and are more likely to develop for/lead with the console that sells more total games. isn't that right?

but yeah, when you put it like that it seems the core/hardcore PS3 fans may be buying as many if not more games than the 360 average.

[Knightofelemia]

I buy most multiplatform games for my Ps3 and Sony exclusives, my 360 only has 3 games and it usually gets exclusives like Gears of War, Left 4 Dead.

[Why dis]

I buy games exclusive or not for the 360 and I use my PS3 for Blu-ray and 1 exclusive KZ2 and I also use the PS3 to look at pictures because they look better on my PS3.

Seems silly to choose only the games that are very popular to paint an untrue picture about the other 90% of games and their sales lol.

I doubt GTA4 sold more on PS3.

[rambi80]

go play some killzone people. Stop wasting your time on forums. Excuse me while i take my own advice

[DNAgent]

The only people who think PS3 owners don't buy games are xbots. I mean what else are xbots going to talk about besides sales? They certainly don't have any games to talk about this year for their console.

[Kushan]

The results are surprising? How is it surprising to know that fanboys are full of sh!te?

[Xbots play games]

First of all..trying to use percentages of total base to prove that not many people bought Killzone 2 was flawed from the start. The game should have been more successful that it was out of the gate...and that is a fact..but when you start using the same flawed logic it still doesnt help the PS3 cause.

If you compared the top 3 Multi plat games you can easily see that the Xbox 360 sold 1-2 million more than the games on PS3.

Grand Theft Auto 4: XBOX 360 (6.9 Million) PS3 (5.5 Million)
Call of Duty 4: XBOX 360 (7.2 Million) PS3 (4.1 Million)
Call of Duty:WAW: XBOX 360 (5.2 Million) PS3 (3.1 Million)

The truth is the biggest Xbox 360 exclusives have completely eclipsed the PS3 exclusives. Killzone 2 is only the latest example. Uncharted 2 will be the next example of this same trend. The Blu Ray is the bigggest star of the PS3..not the games.

[Bathyj]

Do you even know what attach rate means?

I know you like your head in the sand, its the Xbot way, but if you want facts here they are.

These numbers prove either one of two things or maybe both.

Either PS3 gamers DO buy games, and they buy quite alot of them to be able to keep up with XB larger userbase, or M$'s numbers on total XB's are bullsh*t. The software is close in alot of areas, yet XB should be killing PS3 if the numbers from M$ are true, which we all know they are not. M$ love channel stuffing, reporting SHIPPED numbers and dont include dead units otherwise they'd be closer to 20-25M.

[Shane Kim]

Where did you get the GTA4 numbers? I remember an article here a couple of weeks ago that was straight from rockstar. They said that the sales was 50-50, so don't try. And isn't the 360 supposed to have an 8 million lead? If that's the case I see nothing wrong with those numbers.

[Xbots play games]

Do you even know what attach rate means?

I'll ask you the very same question. Actually do YOU actually know what attach rate means? Attach rates are not JUST based on Multi-platform games. Xbox 360 owners have bought led sales in almost EVERY major Multi-platform game...whether you like it or not. But when you look at EXCLUSIVES..Xbox demolishes the competition in sales of exclusive games. Halo 3 alone is over 5 million sales higher than the leading game sold on the PS3 (GTA 4) and almost 6 Million more than the leading PS3 exclusive (MGS4). HHG's article is based on Killzone 2, where they tried to speculate why so few PS3 owners bought the game. Little Big Planet was recently announced at 2 Million sold..K2 has a long ways to go to reach 2 million...and those were highly publicized flagship titles for PS3.
On the flipside Gears of War 2 was at 2 million in its first 3 days.

You can clearly see that YES..PS3 owners do buy games..but not even close to the amount that 360 owners buy games for their system. (I'm pushing 90 games myself) And to avatar Shane..Rockstar did not lie..the sales are close to 50/50 which is what they stated..but if a 20 million split is 11 to 9.it's still close to 50/50..but the actual number is 2 million more for one system.

[rekonizakilla]

Halo, gears and cod's will always sell well in the US (Notice anything similar about those games) just like fifa and pes will always sell well everywhere else in the world.
So if there's an exclusive game(halo) of a popular genre(fps) for a console which has a significant territorial lead on it's main competitor then you can expect that game to sell really well.
So anyway what games are you looking forward to this year?

[tehReaper]

"M$ love channel stuffing, reporting SHIPPED numbers and dont include dead units otherwise they'd be closer to 20-25M."

Wow, someone is bitter about their console of choice being in last place. Think about it though, it's amazing that 360s are still selling despite those dead units.

[Shane Kim]

That's not what the article said if I remember it correctly. You are reffering 50-50 as attachrate. The article ment actual sales was 50-50 with probably some percents in favor to the 360.

Anyway, why do I even bother. I got my PS3 for games and movies.

[n to the b]

well Rockstar kinda has to remain neutral and avoid p1ss1ng 1 or the other off. so I don't know if we can take their word for ~50/50 sales due to conflict of interest...?

[enjoi187]

doesn't even matter. none of us here make any money off it..at least i think

BUT BUT BUT

WE ALL GET RAPED ON GAME PRICES!!!! NOT SYSTEM PRICES..THOSE ARE LEGIT......BUT THE GAME PRICES SH!T

lets 2 2 games a month for a year

2x12=24....24 x 64.19 = 1540 dollars...HOLY SH!T
with game stop emp dis 54.56 x 24 = 1309.44.....STILL HOLY SH!T

thats why i only buy the A+ games FOR SURE THAT ARE WORTH THAT PRICE...50$ i could live for 2 weeks on 50 FOOD

but pre-order...5 dollars each game aweek/or paycheck....feels like your not paying so much...especially since all the good games come out end of year

uncharted 2 -favorite ps3 game
COD MW2
God of war 3
halo ODST
mass effect 2- favorite 360 game..going to be
bioshock 2
dirt 2
so many 2s

[enjoi187]

lol hey Anubis nice picture.

[Lord Vader]

" Killzone 2. The results indicated that a meager 6% (of PS3 owners) have purchased this title. "

That is just sad for the ..." the most anticipated title on any console this generation " = LMAO !!! It was for PS3 only ppl... until it got released !!!

I'd say Halo 3 or Gears of War 1 or 2 blow the shizznit out of KZ2's weak 9hour story, weaker gameplay, repetitive enemies, no co-op (after 4+ years of development mind you with the massive storage capacity of BluRay & teh powa' of teh cell ???), no cover in MP (WTF?)....

So much for the " the most anticipated title on any console this generation ".

LOL

[CBaoth]

it had when you said GeOW1/2 had a better story than KZ2. My 6 yr old writes better stories w/ crayons than the guys at Epic.

***SPOILER ALERT****
Example: Dom's 3yr search for his wife. After 1 1/2 games, he finally learns of his wife's whereabouts. He finds her a zombie. He agonizes over the only choice left for him. He does the unthinkable. "Arrgh, leave me alone Marcus, I need some time." Turns out he was right, only about 30 seconds of the cutscene.

Don't know about you, but I've been married for 12 great years to my wife. She is my best friend, the mother of my children, my soulmate. If anyone were to harm her, I would travel through the depths of hell to seek vengeance...like Dom. Or according to Epic, I might totally forget about her 5 minutes later. GeOW1/2 are great games, but don't ever confuse good gameplay w/ non-existent or laughable dialogue and terrible script.

[crillyconlig]

very mature lord vader

[JeffGUNZ]

I hope your 6 year old isn't as bias as you are.

[OneShotThrill]

The tru calling of a fanboy...lets play the sales game instead of enjoying my video game console. Sales figures just make people feel like others are going out and buying what they themselves have purchased thus making them feel better about themselves because they bought the "right" system. And it must be the right system because a couple other million people purchase it as well....plz stop it..Idc about how many other people bought my game...i care that im enjoying it....quality over quantity

[beans]

Well actually this thread is about game sales. Maybe just maybe some of us like to talk about it and discuss and debate things. Really if you don't like the topic I don't see why you would come into it and give your 2 cents. You know when your bored at home there's nothing wrong with getting online and killing time as long as you don't take this stuff personal. I could careless about sales myself, but heck why not talk about it.

[rockleehong]

Yeah Right
I have 23 games included 2 Japanese games

[Socomer 1979]

love the games too.
so...
1+1=2
Fun.

Hold on, I want to type MILLION too. Oh yeah, it does feel good to type MILLION over & over.
so... Zzzzzzzzz

[stonecold3]

50 ps3 games and i own 30 bluray and i do have some muliti platforms games like need for speeed and sfiv residentevil5 and wwe. fear2 grand theft auto 4. motorstorm 1, 2 ,i own which is not multi and uncharted drakes fortune singtar killzone 2 metal gearsolid 4 resistence fall of man 1, 2, heavnley sword

[Obama]

360 owners don't have games? Yea right. No sarcasm intended.

[Bordel_1900]

PS3 gamers buy just as many games or more, we've seen that for a long time now.

[BobbySaget]

Anyone who has taken a little BUS101 knows you did your math wrong. You cannot just 'average the percentages' there is absolutely no rhyme or reason to this. Instead you need to find the difference in percentages, and then add them up. I did this for you.
\
\
\
\
\
PS3\\\\\\\\\360
2.3(GTA4)\\\3.1(WAW)
3.8(Fifa)\\\1.3(F3)
0.8(RE5)\\\\(your RE5 numbers are wrong, i fixed them)
1.1(NFS)\\\\0.4(MAD)
\\\\\\\\\\\\0.3(SW)
\\\\\\\\\\\\5.1(COD4)
Total
8.0\\\\\\\\\10.2

So based on your overall data, the 360 is selling multiplatform games essentially 2.2% better. However this data is inappropriate.

You picked a bunch of random, bad rated, multi-plat games. It almost as if you purposely found games that averaged up to 11.4%

The truth is, for a accurate comparison, you would need to analyze EVERY multi-plat game. I can assure you the 360 is selling substantially more than the PS3 is.

Another more realistic comparison would be to compare respective exclusives. For example HALO3 vs MGS4, Uncharted vs GeoW2, etc.
In this case the 360 would win by more than tenfold.

Lastly your math doesnt take into consideration that a 360 owner could have bought COD4, GTA4, and RE5 all in the same visit, while the PS3 could have only bought RE5. Apply this logic to all of the games, and it theoretically could mean 1/3rd as many 360 owners vs 1/1 as many ps3 owners are represented. so in laymans terms 333,333 xbox360 owners buying 2.2% more games Vs 1,000,000 PS3 owners buying 2.2% less games. These number's are made up, but my point is that your chart has no way of reflecting this. It is a very VERY important point.

I am trying to be unbiased, im not implying the PS3 is a worse system. But this article is very contrived. It is clear to everyone that the 360 is, thus far, more successful and that more 360 owners are buying games than PS3 owners. Please dont be fanboyish and flame me. This isnt my opinion, this is a statement of fact. You may look up in sales yourself.

[celticlonewolf]

Did you expect anything less than a title or article that didnt involve flame bait material? Look at all the other articles that has been posted on his website lol its not about the bottom line facts its about getting hits for his website(which lest face it he does know how to do well). If you want a well though out and unbiased article then go somewhere els lol if you want fanboy crap well:).

[leeger]

source vgchartz = epic fail

[SprayandPreycom]

they dont ,, spent all money on blu ray movies

[dcbronco]

Anybody can cherry pick a few games and make it appear that the PS3 sells games. The truth is if Killzone 2 had been a 360 title, it would have sold 2 million copies the first week. LBP would have sold over a million. When the most anticipated games come out for the 360 they sell. When the most anticipated games come out on the PS3, you can only hope. But, don't get your hopes too high. Throwing in games like RE5, that and FIFA show this idiot wanted to slant the figures. FIFA being a European game and RE5 not be sold on the 360 in Japan. This idiot must really think people are stupid.

I ignore about 90% of the post I see from the HHG. Every once and a while I give one of your post a look to see if you have developed any character. Obviously not. I Understand that you want to break into the business and I'd love to support that. But the last thing I want is another Fox News Network type gaming blog. From now on I ignore all of your post because I know now that they will always be a waste. Get a life or a brain. You're missing both right now.

[DroN4eG]

i already have 22 games.

Stop, PS3 owners dont buy games!!!

Lulz.

[digitalpowershot]

The following games I bought during abt. 1 year:

Sony PS3 exclusives:
1. Killzone 2
2. Resistance 2
3. Metal Gear Solid 4
4. Gran Turismo5 p
5. Uncharted
6. LittleBigPlanet
7. Buzz QuizTV
8. SingStar
9. Flower
10. Pain
11. WipE-Out HD
12. High Velocity Bowling

Multiplatform titles (PS3-Version):
1. Call of Duty 4
2. Bad Company
3. Grand Theft Auto 4
4. Burnout Paradise
5. Street Fighter 4
6. Street Fighter II HD Turbo
7. Soul Calibur 4
8. Guitar Hero III

Not to mention all the other DLC I bought from the PSN-Store!

[digitalpowershot]

I forgot to mention Motorstorm:Pacific Rift (Ps3 Exclusive)

So this makes 21 games!

[anaviel]

look at all this fanboy-ism in effect!!! LOL!!! Listen please facts are facts no matter how you look at them or from what website. The 360 has a higher game purchasing rate. It's plain and simple. You can argue about the price difference and advertisement and the whole caboodle!! But each company made their own decisions as to how to promote their systems and games and pricing points. Microsoft choose to release a faulty system and it's hurt them but it hasn't prevented them from outselling Sony. Says alot...I'm not a fan boy for either system but that is a fact. 360's are constantly moving off the shelves and gamers are buying the games in droves. 10 million for one game is ridiculous!!!! Even with all the pirating going on with the 360 the games are still selling well. That's a fact. The 360 has a mess load going against it but it's selling better than expected. Sony released a beast of a machine with very high expectations, specs and pricing point. That was their decision. It's costly to develop for the PS3...yes the cost has been reduced but it's still costs more than what developers are used to. The PS3 has mass potential that more than likely surpasses the 360. But it's potential is not being tapped because it's selling below expectations and sony refuses to drop the price.I myself want a PS3 but the cost is too expensive right now. I mean I can buy a refurbed 360 with a warranty from tigerdirect for 185.00 with a 60gb harddrive. WOW!!!! But a refurbed PS3 still costs over 300 bucks. It's clear the PS3 is suffering not from quality but quantity. Once the price drops to a reasonable level it will sell like hot cakes. But I can't see it demolishing the 360 in this generation. They have too big of a head start and the economy allows the 360's price point to look much more attractive. Regardless of the defects the system has. I've had a rrod issue as well but I got another 360 afterwards. And if it does it again more than likely I will get another one. I just like the system and the games it has. I like some of the PS3's games as well...but again the cost is too high. So yes the 360 sells more games per unit than the PS3. But it doesn't make the 360 a better system technically. Just a more attractive choice to the bargain hunters. Sony needs to get it together on pricing and quality of games being offered on their system and then things will pick up. Because it's looking like killzone 2 is not the system seller they hoped it would be.

[retro]

they're probably watching Blu-ray movies instead of playing (buying) games.

*LOL*

[BobbySaget]

Wow you PS3 fanboys are relentless. You decided to "disagree" with my 100% factual, completely unbiased, mathematically sound, analytical post above. So instead i will just post this.

http://xbox360.thegamerevie...

Wii: average: 5.5 games per a console
PS3: average: 5.3 games for a console
Xbox 360: average: 8 games for a console

For those of you bad with math (PS3 owners)
5.3 + (51% x 5.3) = 8.0030

This means the 360 sells, on average, 51% more games than the PS3. Not to mention the 360 has sold 8,000,000 more consoles than the PS3
http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps...

This means that for the first 21,553,909(# of PS3's) Xbox sold an average of (8.0-5.3 = 2.7) 2.7 more games than per a console.(2.7 x 21,553,909) = 58,195,554.3 more games sold on the 360 than the PS3.

Then we must consider the other 8,000,000 Xboxs' sold (29,764,243 - 21,553,909 = 8,210,334) SO 8,210,334 more 360's sold to be specific. That means Another 8 games sold per each of these 8,210,334 consoles. Thus (8,210,334 x 8 = 65,682,672)

So in total(average) the 360 has sold
65,682,672
+58,195,554.3
______________
123,878,226 more games

So there you have it. Challenge my math if you would like, i will better explain it. But it is all 100% accurate.

The 360 sells 2.7 more games per a console. This is about a 51% increase over the PS3. This adds up to a total 58,195,554.3 more games sold per the total 21,553,909 PS3 consoles sold. And another 65,682,672 more games per the extra 8,210,334 Xbox consoles sold. This totals up to be 123,878,226 more games sold by the 360.

If you want to do the math an easier way just do this

(Xbox 360's sold) x (average games per a console)
(PS3's sold) x (games per a console)

360: (29,764,243) x (8.0) = 238,113,944
PS3: (21,553,909) x (5.3) = 114,235,718

Then find the difference
238,113,944 - 114,235,718 = 123,878,226(more)
which, as stated, is about a 52% increase for the 360.

Instead of disagreeing with the fact that the 360 is doing better. Why don't you practice a little modesty or humiliation, and say something like "Yes, it is true that the 360 is doing better. However i prefer the PS3" instead of saying "LOLZ KZ2, Uncharted 2, GOW3, MGS4, lolz, lolz ,lolz at the 360 owners, LOLZ. OH and the CELL, LOLZ!!!! GRAFIX!!!!"

Your very lucky that you have Hideo Kojima, and Naughty Dog developing games for you. So instead 'sullying' their 'good-name' by "LOLZ"ing at everyone with your "opinions" (that you for some reason think are facts). Why don't you accept that your lucky to have developers who are willing to take substantial monetary losses by developing exclusively for the PS3.

[bviperz]

You're right the 360 does best the PS3 in game sales. I agree with that part, but do sales make a game better than the other? Does it tell you one console is better than the other? No, it doesn't. All it tells you is one console sell's more games than the other. Doesn't mean that the one who sells more is better. Don't get caught up in the war. In the end, your math is correct. It's just some people take it like you're trying to say more than what your math is showing. So a lot of PS3 owners don't buy games, their loss, right?

[red2tango]

all Sony needs is more advertising

[anaviel]

sony, microsoft!! PS3, 360!!! So freaking what!!! We are all spending while they are collecting our money!! All this I have to prove my console of choice right crap is silly!!! It's all entertainment....it's not real!!!! it's all make believe!!! The more either company sells only makes THEM rich not us gamers!!! Just be glad the both systems have great games!! Sony fanboys can deny it and 360 fanboys can deny it. But both systems have great games. One is just outselling the other. It's ok sony fanboys!! You already have your system so you don't have to worry. If sony undersells microsoft this generation its not the end of the world. I'm sure sony will not go under and file chapter 11. Sony fanboys have blu-ray and 360 fanboys have xbox live. That's the trump card for either system. That's all. Both platforms grapically are capable of amazing visuals i.e. Killzone 2 and Gears of war series. Even resident evil 5 looks awesome on both systems. The only thing I will say is this microsoft's advertisement dept. are beasts!!! Really!!! When you think about all the negative reviews about the 360 hardware and failure rates. Customer service issues and pirating. Just to name a few. With all those HUGE issues the 360 has remained in a strong 2nd place to the Wii. And sales are still going strong for the system. Sony fanboys themselves have to marvel at that accomplishment. Microsoft's spin doctors are wizards. Can anyone name any company plagued with those kinds of problems still outselling the monster that is the sony playstation brand? Don't take my compliment to the chef as fanboy fare....nope I'm just stating facts here. Microsoft did their thing on advertising this generation.

[solid-strife]

Why would we buy a ps3 and not buy games? I'm sorry but 360 just pisses me off, PS3 is better in so many ways !

The only defense in the matter is, "I don't want to spend that much money on a console." Well too bad, because it's worth every damn cent.

Killzone 2 , Metal Gear Solid 4 , Little Big Planet , ... 'nuff said.

Enjoy Gears Of War, asses

[anaviel]

We do enjoy Gears of War! Just like you enjoy your games on PS3. Why is it so hard for you to except that some people prefer 360 over the PS3? Some people can't afford 400.00 on a console and games. So they go for what they can afford. I'm glad you feel the PS3 is waaaay better. Every sony fanboy pulls the same 3 games out for the sake of arguing. But why would others preference piss you off? You must have stock in sony? Or maybe you work in their gaming division? Or maybe your dad may get laid off if we don't buy sony? Or maybe just maybe you are taking this gaming allegiance too far. Let 360 owners enjoy thier system and games. You my friend are the idiot calling another gamer an ass because they don't play the system of YOUR choice.