No Wii Can't Part Deux: Sega's MadWorld Doesn't Sell

DaveDaGamer from TrueGameHeadz writes:
"This article is a direct follow up to my No Wii Can'tpiece from last year about the Wii's pitiful lineup of games and the mass of shovelware that littered the system. As expected, I was hung out to dry by all the supporters who screamed at the top of their lungs: "Wait. Just Wait! 'MadWorld' is coming. 'The Conduit' is coming." "Have you heard about the new 'House of the Dead?' ALL mature games, those games are going to rock!"

Yeah well two of them just dropped, and guess what? Sega is going for the triple, because ..."

[Product]

To be clear he is using 60k copies sold for Madworld with VGChartz numbers not NPD or any other source.

[TheColbertinator]

Good thing you caught that.NPD might have clear results that make the estimates of vgchartz void.

[Anon1974]

How do NPD numbers make VGchartz numbers void? They're just doing the same thing, taking samples and guessing the rest. Difference is VGChartz actually revise their numbers when official data from the companies themselves are released. I don't believe NPD feels it's necessary to adjust their data accordingly.

[Godmars290]

A 5 year old could void results from vgchartz.

[Torch]

I'm not sure if things have changed since I left NPD Canada (formerly ISL), but if I correctly recall, video game sales were based upon quantifiable point-of-sale data; alternatively, perishable consumer goods (cheese, ice cream, paper towel, etc.) relied upon a less-scientific panel of long-term end-consumers who would pretty much fill in a monthly survey on their purchases and return them to us (therefore less accurate and more subjective than POS data.)

Overall, NPD reports generally consist of real-world objective data, sold for a pretty penny to - and relied upon by - many large multinational corporations.

VGcharts, on the other hand, is merely a website and does nothing more than shoot darts in the dark.

ON TOPIC:
Regardless, I hope MadWorld sells well enough to influence other developers to join the "Rated M for Mature" party, as this great game has single-handedly resurrected my dusty Wii out of a 2+ year coma.

If you're into fighting/beat'em-up games, I recommend you at least give it a try, as you'll likely be pleasantly surprised.

Honourable mention: House of the Dead: Overkill! Man, that game is quite simply a silly, mindless, unadulterated blast to play!

[Anon1974]

I understand perfectly well how it works, I didn't mean to slight the NPD group. They have their sales samples, they extrapolate the rest. There's never been any confusion regarding that.
VGchartz does the same thing, working from data samples provided by retailers as well as from ship numbers provided through partnerships with the publishers themselves, and then they fill in the blanks with the rest. VGChartz is often used as a data source for such publications as the BBC, New York Times, New York Post, Fortune, among others. Sony and Nintendo themselves have used VGChartz data.

What started up as a small, fan run site has evolved. The idea that they are a "shot in the dark" website certainly shows a bit of ignorance on your part regarding VGChartz's operations. Obviously NPD group would like to cast doubt on VGChartz as they are a direct threat to their videogame tracking business but the fact that so many respected publications obviously feel that VGchartz is a reliable source should speak volumes.

[heyheyhey]

are you retarded?

NPD gets most of it's data from retailers themselves... their figures are almost completely accurate

VGchartz is COMPLETELY unreliable as their figures have been voided countless time by reliable sources... and i would love for you to link where Sony, Nintendo or MS have EVER used VGchartz figures

why do you think Sony, Ninty and MS respond to NPD numbers every month... but don't even mention VGchartz?

VGchartz gets like 1% of it's data from retailers.. while NPD gets it's vast majority, because it pays for them

[gaffyh]

1 week is not enough, and even if this doesn't sell well, it is still probably the best game on Wii.

[Smacktard]

I hate these articles and the replies people make to them. The article is based on VGChartz numbers, yes, never a reliable source until they adjust their numbers according to reliable sources (so what's the point?).

Also, this article and pretty much everyone that's responded to it seems to hold the notion that mature games = hardcore games = good games, and anything that =/= mature is bad. Boom Blox, de Blob, Mercury Meltdown Revolution, Geometry Wars Galaxies, Okami, etc, etc would like to disagree. MadWorld wasn't even THAT GREAT of a game. Sure, it was good, and it was fun, and it was special, but I had more fun with Mercury Meltdown Revolution, a game that is much harder to 100% than MadWorld is. Also, it lasted me like 4 times as long as MadWorld did. If people were looking for reasons to dust off their Wii, there were better reasons before. Another example: de Blob.

People that call themselves gamers and then only play mature games are the bane of the video game industry. They're as bad as the casuals, and they're THE REASON there aren't more games like de Blob.

edit: The thing that annoys me the most are the people who probably don't even have a Wii, or at least haven't even played the game, and go "hurr it's (probably) still the best Wii game anyways."

[davedagamer]

No this article doesn't refer to games that are not hardcore as crap. This article is in reference to those "hardcore" gamers that wanted those games on the Wii. Now they have a good selection to choose from, they are not buying them. Why Not?

[Smacktard]

They aren't talking exclusively about Mature games though. They're talking about the "lack of" good exclusive third-party Wii games. Because apparently Wii games that are either good or exclusive or first-party don't count.

Also, I like how House of the Dead: Overkill comes into the equation. Rail shooters are niche as hell. It's like people claiming that good games don't sell on the Wii because BlastWorks had poor sales (I've seen this argument). Sigh.

[SinnedNogara]

No one should say ANYTHING for several weeks. I haven't bought the game yet, but I plan to buy next month.

[Nugan]

I remember speculation like this soon after the release of No More Heroes and Boom Blox. Both games were critically praised and became immediate targets for the "quality games don't sell on the Wii" crowd after they did not sell a massive number of copies during their first month. However, it took less than a year following the release of both games for their developers to announce sequels.

A number of other Wii titles--de Blob, for example--have also been profitable and successful in spite of initially mediocre sales.

This is because Wii titles sell primarily by word of mouth rather than commercial hype. Most Wii games been to build up momentum after release, instead of seeing huge sales in the first month and a large decline thereafter like most titles that are sold primarily by advertising and prerelease press.

Meanwhile, because of lower development costs, the Wii has yet to produce a studio killing flop (like Haze or Lair).

With these trends in mind, I think it is far, far too early to call either OVERKILL or MadWorld a failure.

[Sharpshell]

about what you mentioned regarding development costs, I think you are right in that regard. However No More Heroes may have a sequel, it is ahrdly a good example of a high caliber game selling well an the wii... in fact it is jsut the opposite. I dont think its a question whether these kind of games flop and result in a finacial blunder, but rather with a market as huge as the Wii's dedicated to buying Wii Play week after week, that game studios (like sega) are gonna say, screw it lets jsut makes our own version of Wii Fit and the handful or real gamers owning a Wii (like myself) are left with a few gems and ALOT of shovelware

[Anon1974]

I really don't think "word of mouth" is what sells Wii games. Look at Mario/Sonic Olympics. Do you really think, based on the reviews out there that people were telling all their friends "You just have to play the excellent Mario/Sonic Olympics?"

Also, I think your "studio killing" games is simply misinformed. Free Radical was a victim of the times and LucasArts pulling out. That was a huge blow to the studio which was snatched up by Crytek.
Factor 5 was dealt a major blow when partner, Brash Entertainment went under. Although I'm sure sales of Lair didn't help the situation, Haze actually sold reasonably well.

[davedagamer]

What I am intending to talk about and stir debate about is why these games are not flying off the shelves. With the amount of hype and talk of these games coming to the Wii, one would think that people who want more mature games (granted not necessarily as over the top as these two Sega ones) would buy them and support them. But sales of Tenchu, Dead Rising, Deadly Creatures, etc are real low compared to titles selling on the 360 or PS3! These are selling in the PS3 sale number range when there are so many more Wii owners.

Saying these games are new IP is not an excuse, saying it's going to be a slow burn is not an excuse. Because we've seen many new games come out for other consoles and sell 300k in their first weeks.

[Nugan]

Sharp, I think the reason why you see only a very few games on the Wii selling a massive number of copies in context of the system's massive install base is because the Wii does not have a single, cohesive audience. It is not simply a matter of "hardcore vs casual" or "bad games vs. good games." It is that the Wii owner base is so diverse-- unlike the PS3/360, which tend to appeal largely to a rather consistent audience with specific demographics and consistent tastes--that most games are only going to appeal to a subsection of that audience.

Dave, see above. Also, what makes you believe that games like MadWorld or OVERKILL would sell exceptionally well on other systems? The previous project by MadWorld's team, Okami, was a commercial failure on the PS2. And light gun games are an arcade holdover that are usually not hugely successful in the way that more conventionally popular genres are.

[Sharpshell]

and it must be considering how many Wii owners there are versus 360 and ps3 owners put together. Also you msut consider those that own a wii AND something else... like myself. But I get very frustrated with games like MArio and Sonic at the Olympic Games (as someone above mentioned) selling so well versus a gem like NMH. For the record I don't have a problem with "kiddy" games, in fact Im very excited for Little King Story but Ihave played M&S ATOG and it was AWFUL! I mean terrible! As of right now I dont really care if Sega probably made more money off of that autrocity than Madworld... but if game studios figure "hey forget this audience when a far larger one exists with much lower standards!" then I will be upsett, its a fear rather then a complaint...yet

[Mahr]

"With the amount of hype and talk of these games coming to the Wii"

Um, what hype? The only hype most of these games have gotten has been on internet sites. History has proven time and again that gaming sites have always had a negligible effect on real-world sales. Otherwise, Clover wouldn't have gone belly-up, licensed games would never sell, and everyone on the planet would own two copies of Shadow of the Colossus.

And those are all instances where gaming sites actually had a general consensus. It's not like the games in question here have even all had universally *good* hype -- Gamespot for instance gave Tenchu, Deadly Creatures, Dead Rising, and MadWorld a 5, a 7.5, a 6.5, and a 7.5, respectively.

[frayer]

Platnium games should just stick with the hardcore gamers- not the old farts who buy wiis. Next up is the Conduit...

[GFahim]

i also remember cod: waw selling crap (there was even an article about it) and now what, 5 months in and it is now selling nearly a million...be patient man.

[Fulensenca]

available on PSN/LIVE for like 19.90$ would be nice.

I would like to play this game ( and I think it would be good also without motion conltrols ).

It could be a way to sell more.

[Sharpshell]

I saw this comming a mile away (No More Heroes anyone?) but hopefully the game will have a long enough sales life that it will be worth it for Sega to make more legit games... lets hope

[Pennywise]

I feel bad for the devs that pour hard work into the Wii to get squat back. The wii is being sold to little kids, casual gamers who like wii sports, nursing homes, rehabilitation facilities, grandparents for their grand kids....

Every person I know with a Wii, does not use it often...

Hardcore games like this deserve the HD treatment. Devs will soon start ignoring the Wii if the games dont sell.

Anything Nintendo first party with sell like hotcakes....Give it Wii surname or Mario, Zelda, Metroid in the name and people will buy it up like the machine wont work if you dont.

[Product]

"Every person I know with a Wii, does not use it often... "

Thats exactly the problem. So called hardcore players that pride themselves on buying only hyped games are not buying wii games even when they are core games like Madworld.
Do you think buying Madworld on your Wii will make your image bad? Why are you not buying these games?

Had half the so called hardcore players that own a Wii bought Madworld they would have more copies sold, unfortunately thats not the problem because most people just dont buy games as often as they say they do.

[hatchimatchi]

most of these "hardcore" games on the wii have already been done before. Tenchu? Does anyone honestly care about that series anymore? Deadly Creatures, it looks cool but i have no desire to play it. HOTD: Overkill, i'm not 14, i really don't care if a game swears alot. Plus i was never a fan of the HOTD series outside of the arcade and also it's an on-rails shooter. Madworld on the other hand looks really cool but im having a hard time putting money down on a beat em up. I mainly wanna play it just so i can hear the commentary. I think the conduit will probably sell well enough to be considered a success because shooters are real popular but who knows. I'd like all these games to sell well so other developers feel motivated to show the wii more support but it's been this way since the n64, nintendo's titles steal all the sales from anything a 3rd party developer can do, and with the wii its probably harder than ever considering how the system is labeled as a family friendly machine. You gotta think, out of the 50 million sold how many of those people are in the 17-25 demographic who want to play these "hardcore" games. I would say maybe 15 million at the most as far as systems bought. Im 24, and i got sick of waiting for these games to come out so i went and got a ps3, im not claiming fanboyism or anything cause i still love nintendo but i was tired of waiting for games to play and now it just seems like too little too late.

[Cajun Chicken]

I'm getting this at some point in the future.

[Megaton]

Throw it on the PSN/XBL. I'll buy it, and I know lots of my friends would buy it too.

[Ryo-Hazuki]

Weeks ago after madworld was getting good reviews....i said just like no more heros, 3rd parties dont sell on the wii. And madworld wont sell...i told u

[Silent]

I bought cod waw on Wii it was the biggest mistake of my life. Now I am aware of Wiis capability. 3rd party games suck. Ill stick to the 1st party. No mario no sell.

[mastiffchild]

We know neither what the games have actually sold worldwide nor what Sega expected tham to sell. They will know about the likes of NMH just as well as we do and surely they budgeted accordingly, no?

Lets give it some time. I only picked up Overkill last week as I'm still suffering from finiancial post Xmas woes AND a game backlog but will be getting Madworld next cheque and Conduit on release(which I think has a chance of being a bigger seller if only because it's audience is well defined(if not huge on the Wii)and because it's landing at a usually quiet time for games giving it the spotlight.

Too early to call and we know far too little about the devs expectations .

[Baka-akaB]

Precisely , i dont get where , when and how people decided it didnt sell enough .

It received a lot of coverage because of it's "see the wii got them hardcore titles too" kind of articles , but it was never a blockbuster .
Of course shovelware sells better ... shovelware sells better than anything .

Newsflash : when you successfully market a console for a non gamer crowd and they bite , well obviously they'll be more numerous than usual and serious gamers .

Mad world didnt have an extravagant budget and even among "real" gamers close to no one knows or give a sh*t about who is at platinum studios and what they've done in the past .. that's trivia for people sleeping on n4g and newsite like myself and a few of us . It's stylish and beautiful but through design and sheer cunning .

Get real people and get some clues ... 60k units (and assuming it stops there ) is still at least 3 million dollars ...
and it wont stop there ... it's only a few days of sells and most like will double that .

Could it have become a mega hit ? Some of us only wish it could , but so far it's an honest performance

[Gambit07]

Madworld on PS3 please.

[Sharpshell]

why do people keep on asking for Madworld on PS3 or 360 when it was clearly made to specification for the Wii? there are good ps3 and 360 games made with those systems or both in mind! I don't understand gamers this generation... Every single game thats exclusive is either "teh crap!" or "port it! port it!" (think mgs4 or Mass Effect). This is why games are getting more and more homogenized all the time.

[Gambit07]

Because, clearly Madworld would have been a better target for PS3/360 audience, same as LBP could be a hit on the Wii for example. It didn't make sense to bring Madworld to the Wii in the 1st place, I guess Sega was thinking quantity of systems out there...

[heyheyhey]

man that sucks... i guess MadWorld 2 will be on PS3/360 (hopefully they make it)

[Godmars290]

That its too early a call on Madworld? Wasn't it just released?

At least need a week before we see actual numbers. And then they shouldn't mean anything except to 3rd party devs who will have proof of why they shouldn't be supporting the Wii with nothing but shovelware.

Not that Nintendo will give a da*n as they laugh tot he bank.

[Honolulu]

They could always port it to ps2 if they want an even bigger market, just change the control scheme to something like that in God Hand. I'd buy that. :)

[paco004]

but spent all my cash on killzone and a dualshock 3 controller. gotta wait a while until i get more money, but by then ill be wanting to save up for Infamous. it really looked like an awesome game.

[Andras84]

About 40 million are casuals. Got the Wii because it was "cool" and "new" and has "motion controls" or "My friend Tommy got one for his 10th birthday and now all the kids wanna be at his house. I wan't one too Mom!!"

The rest are well...some of them gamers...some of them not really.... The Wii's userbase in general is a joke.

They want hardcore games and they say that the Wii has hardcore games and has a huge userbase but when games like these came out than no one buys them. If mad would would have been released on the 360 and PS3 it would have sold in the millions by now.

Ohh well...that's Wii for you.

Let's just wait and see for the official numbers but I don't think they will be so much higher either.

Also let's wait for the Conduit and see how that does.

If I was SEGA I would never release an exclusive game on the Wii again. It doesn't make sense.

EDIT: Also I'm reading all these sorry excuses for why Wii users didn't buy them. It's just laughable.

[davedagamer]

You want some NPD Data,

Here’s the Top 10 Selling Wii Games for Feb 2009

Top 10 Wii

1. WII WII FIT NINTENDO OF AMERICA
2. WII WII PLAY W/ REMOTE NINTENDO OF AMERICA
3. WII MARIO KART W/WHEEL NINTENDO OF AMERICA
4. WII GUITAR HERO WORLD TOUR* ACTIVISION BLIZZARD
5. WII LEGO STAR WARS: COMPLETE SAGA LUCASARTS
6. WII MY FITNESS COACH UBISOFT
7. WII JILLIAN MICHAELS FITNESS ULTIMATUM 2009 MAJESCO
8. WII NASCAR KART RACING ELECTRONIC ARTS
9. WII SUPER SMASH BROS: BRAWL NINTENDO OF AMERICA
10. WII TIGER WOODS PGA TOUR 09 ELECTRONIC ARTS

Which one of those is Mad World, House of the Dead, or even The Conduit when it comes out is gonna knock off Jillian Michaels Fitness Ultimatum?

[Andras84]

..full with garbage like that, than we are looking at a grimm future.

[Mahr]

I don't see what you're getting at. Jillian Michael's Fitness Ultimatum is a rousing success, and its first week sales as reported by VG Chartz weren't even one-third of MadWorld's.

[Product]

Go check Europe's numbers for a different viewpoint

[Andras84]

I feel sorry for you if you belive what you just said.

[Mahr]

I appreciate the concern. Fortunately, I feel pretty sorry for you in general, so we'll just call it even.

[ChaoticStupid]

Stop feeding the troll.

This kid is an idiot..

I wonder how this kid would explain TimeSplitters 4 only selling 600k on PS3 but HOTD 2 and 3 are at 1 million almost on Wii..Give Overkill more than a few weeks kid.

How is it Suda 51 got enough sales for a game to warrant a sequel when that never happened on the PS2 with their games?

This guy is just some nobody looking for fame by saying what PS3 and 360 fanboys want to hear.

If we look at games that are about the same across the board for all 3 you'lkl notice a trend. Guitar Hero sells better on Wii,Shaun White sells better on Wii, Tiger woods sells better on Wii.

Think about it. What site do any of go to that is an actual gaming site that would call any game a failure based on one week from one region?

Stop feeding the troll before we have another HHG on our hands. He started out saying what you guys wanted to say and look at him now. It's only matter of time before he starts putting the hater spin on PS3 and 360 news.

It's easy to take one week and proclaim failure but only an idiot would do that. One that had an agenda and would spin any facts to make their point. Which is exactly what this clown did.

HE doesnt take into account that Madworld is a niche title, he also assumes that retailers stocked as many copies of Madworld as there were people wanting it that week. I know my pre-order copy was the last one in the store the day the game came out.

[davedagamer]

Because only people like that don't read before they speak.

#1. Where do I proclaim any title a failure? Please let me know.
#2. The difference between selling a million games and selling a few thousand per week is great.
#3. How do I explain Time Splitters 4? Last I checked there wasn't one. Oh you mean Time Crisis 4, well I explain it like this.

The release of Time Crisis 4 was Nov 2007. How many PS3's did you think were actually sold at that point? Wait don't answer because I know you don't think before you speak.

People who actually think, can use common sense.

[ChaoticStupid]

Ok Kid... Sure thing.. The whole point is how these games "are not selling" according to you.. Well now if they are not selling what do we normally call those games? Failures. So why don't you go look common sense up in real quick so you know what it actually is and start using it.

"To date, according to reports for NPD, “House of the Dead: Overkill” has sold barely 50,000 copies in two months, and “MadWorld” only did like 60,000 since launch a few weeks ago? This on a system with an install base near 50 million?"

Madworlds release will be two weeks tomorrow. Not a few kid. House of the dead is at about 6 weeks. You cannot deny that is spinning in order to fit the needs of your rant.

"Sega’s reverse course, and decides to take it ultra, “Adult Mature” with “House of the Dead: Overkill,” “MadWorld,” and “The Conduit” and this is what it gets them? I hope they’ve learned their lesson and decide to stop supporting Nintendo with “Exclusives.” They were enemies for a reason."

Is that why their games sell better on Wii? I mean the only proof we have is yours and I already proved that wrong with a simple look at a calendar.

"This is despicable. I don’t see how you can defend yourselves. You are leaving quality titles on the shelves, why? Oh, I know why, because you’re waiting for the next Mario, Zelda, or Metroid title to drop so you can buy those and scream at the top of your lungs again, “Nintendo rulez!”"

OK so how is it Wii has a higher attach rate than PS3 and software sales are higher for Wii than any other current console if nobody is buying games? Oh they just arent buying the specific ones on the week you want to judge the entire month off of... yeah

"I pointed out before that a huge problem for developers is that they can’t sell their games on a Nintendo system because they always get overlooked. Now the deluge of bad games is overshadowing them. The latest trek to my local GameStop and Best Buy saw dozens and dozens of games with little horses, kid heroes, Monkey Mischief, and every other gimmicky game you could think of for the dandy prices of $29.99 - $49.99"

Oh ok this must be your first generation gaming.. If you can just do some research you'll find that shovelware games follow the lead console. Always have always will. I know I may be asking too much asking for some research for someone who thinks they should be taken seriously.

[Andras84]

Don't mind this clown, he is an idiot. All he knows is how to spin everything in order to protect his precious Wii. He is a Wii fanboy and whoever he sees saying anything negative about the Wii he attacks and calls kid. Like he is the most mature adult on these forums.

Let him be. His out of his mind.

I really hope he works for Nintendo because if he is not than he is one of the biggest idiots I've seen in my entire life.

Timesplitters 4 hasn't been released btw. I don't know what you guys are about.

[ChaoticStupid]

Andras, the idiot is you. The fanboy is you.. What am I spinning here kid?Nothing. Madworld came out March 10th. that wasnt 3 weeks ago. Obviously the only two spinning here are you and your gaymer friend that you have some crush on... If I am spinning aynthing fanboy please provide proof or STFU. All you ever do is troll and then you cry like a 4 year old when proven wrong. Just like this kid is doing. I think I pretty much proved in my second post his article wa nothing but spin. Oh but please post your proof that I am spinning things... Show how Madworld didnt come out 2 weeks ago or how HOTD has been out for 2 full months..

If anything in my post was spin it would have been easy to prove wrong, but you couldnt disprove any of it... Just insult and call someone a fanboy for not being one like you.. You are the fanboy. You cannot post anything to prove my posts wrong. and that proves you're a fanboy... Now go back to crying but please never respond to one of my posts again. Its a waste of time listening to an idiot who wants to prove every fact wrong but cant so they just cry. Which is what you do every day.

[ASTAROTH]

...simple as that. Grandpa's only play Wii play, women's play Wii fit, Boy's play Mario and the rest play all the crap released on the Wii. Gamers play 360 and PS3 (both). Simple as that!!. NINTY FANS get out of their closed to defend the Wii...yet didnt get out to buy a great game like MADWORLD.

Sega must be thinking...why we have to put our efforts on the Wii to make a great game when we could release "Sonic play with Rings" or wathever crap we want and will still sell at least the same as MADWORLD?

To bad the NINTY fanboys dont undersatnd that and keep suporting the shovelware on the Wii. The same applies to some PS3 fans that only bougth Call of Dutys and Grand Theft Auto and doesnt bougth great exclusives. If wii keep suporting this shovelware software by Wii devs, we will get what we deserved. And that is a not so brigth future for us gamers. Ben Dutka said that in an article on the PSXtreme site , and he was rigth...the Wii is just a novelty. Unfortunately it keeps selling great. And Nintendo IS NOT interested in us, 30 years plus gamers that grew playing the NES, SNES, GENESIS, and other consoles.

FANATICS keep denying it to yourselves but, the truth is hard and NINTY is not interested in the Gamers or hardcore fans. Live with that and with the shovelware.

APOFISBORICUA

[Product]

This game will sell fine but it would have had a better first week had people stopped talking about how good it looks and instead just went and bought the game.

Most people on here just are not buying the games and instead talking.

How many people on here have said"my Wii is gathering dust"? now how many of you went and bought this game?
Sales arent as good as first thought because of you...no one else.

[hatchimatchi]

considering the fact that madworld came out on the 11th and re5 came out on the 13th. Most people who own more than 1 system probably went with re5 if they were gonna buy either game. Now nintendo fanboys will rant and rave how re5 is a weak addition to the series and yea i think it is too, but i'd still rather have re5 than madworld. The real fault for these games not selling is because of the nintendo fanboys on sites like these hyping up these games to no end and then not going out and buying it. The funny thing is though is that most nintendo fanboys i've noticed are too young to even buy the game without their mom or dad at the store with them. Im not biased toward any system but at the same time i enjoy playing HD gaming and so far the wii has offered nothing to me this year or last year for the most part that makes me want to dust it off and start playing it again. I do however check the VC time to time.

[Product]

Thats exactly my point,people would rather talk and be the stereotype then buy this game.

[davedagamer]

Conduit is next...