'Killzone 2' Multiplayer - Great Game Hurt By Controls?

"Why would you ever ADD lag to your game? Since the dawn of multiplayer gaming, we've been fighting a war against lag. We play video games for 1:1 controls. Adding lag is one of the worst design choices ever. Guerrilla Games was attempting to add weight to the character, but all it does is hurt the way the player actually controls the game.

Think about trying to line-up a quick headshot. You move the analog stick to the right, but overshoot the person just a tad bit so you let off the stick. You've just racked up two instances of the input lag. Now, you re-aim, hitting left on the stick. Another piece of input lag on top of the pile. While the controller is sweeping back across their head, you hit fire! Except, by the time the game registers the shot, your controller has moved beyond your target. Now, you attempt to readjust, but you're still going to be dealing with the lag. By the end of that, you're running a delay of about half a second, which is liking pinging 500ms to the server."

[Pennywise]

What lag are they talking about? I feel like I am in the twilight zone reading this junk.

[original seed]

People say it "realism" but to most its LAG.

[Frulond]

i agree, what lag? i don't freaking get it...

[original seed]

LOOK at the video provided. There is movement lag. It has been acknowledged by the Devs. Its there on purpose to add weight to guns/mass etc. There IS MOVEMENT LAG.

[gaffyh]

There is almost no lag in the movement, it is very unnoticeable, only people complaining about it are just fanboys trying to pick apart the game.

[sajj316]

Get terminologies right G4. Its not LAG. Its called a design decision. To add weight to the guns and movement, it was purposeful to add a bit delay to response time of your character. You know ... when I think about turning left, I don't immediately turn left. When I think about jumping ... I don't immediately jump. Its the difference between realistic controls and 'arcade' controls.

[ActionBastard]

The term "lag" when used in reference to Killzone 2's controls simply means "I suck at FPSs if they don't play like GameX". For most Killzone players, the "problem" isn't a problem. The more you play, the more comfortable the controls get. It's very similar to every other game you've ever played and had to adjust to the controls. However, since it is Killzone 2 and a Sony published title, it makes it all the more noticeable.

[WildArmed]

aahhh
so realism is called 'lag' on the internet.. gotacha..
so.. basically lets go back to the 8-bit games where realism wasnt an issuue ^^

jk.
I agree, but its what makes K2 different from other shooters..
SUCK IT UP AND GET USED TO IT.

[Ju]

For me personally I like it very much how it plays. The controls just balance out the gameplay. No damn camper who just sits there shooting at you - without the need to adjust. No, now you need to adjust for every single shot. That's skill in my book. I am rather happy about that. Its so back to the basics. Might hurt the "click and shoot" crowd, I can understand that.

[staub91]

It is weight...

Like in real life you know?

Some people will find any excuse to bash a game.

[StephanieBBB]

Nope no lag on my TV :S

If you push the button rly fast it sometimes doesn't respond but if you push it like your normaly is doing it's no lag whatsoever.

[PrimordialSoupBase]

This is the dead zone on the controller. It's not an intentional choice made by Guerilla.

[goflyakite]

How about instead of me looking at the video provided, I go turn on my PS3 and actually play it for myself.

We all have the game now, why don't you stop being a blind fanboy and give it up already.

[Mindboggle]

Im fed up with this control crap. Ive been playing the multiplayer for 8 hours and the controls are not even an issue, im having the most fun ive ever had on an FPS.

[Ryo-Hazuki]

I am really getting sick of all of this crying about so called "lag". It is not lag...its realism. It takes time to have the scope come to your eye...it cant just magically come to it. Most of the time the people who are crying are the guys who suck at the game. ex dont mash the analog sticks when aiming..just be calm and you will be perfectly fine..ex. dont scope in close qtrs combat, its retarded and unrealistic...this is not COD...you will get your ass shot doing that. Learn that your guy has weight to him....hes carrying a gun and wearing armor...you have to adapt. This not a game when your gun is basically floating weightless everywhere. Learn to adapt

By the time you beat the single player campaign....the controls are like second nature.

[XxZxX]

HUH!!!WTF!!!
Actually The real meaning got like this.
I suck on Killzone 2 not because I got owned by almost every FPSer, but it's because of the lag, Movement lag, I cant dodge bullet like that.

[SiLeNt KNighT]

i have to admit im not all that fond of the slow response when turning due to 'weight', even though im used to it by now and can rack up the kills its slightly too slow. you can compensate by turning up sensitivity but it gradual. meaning you start turning slow then speed up which makes it bad for shooting people off in the distance. we're use to playing other games that dont have this feature so it just takes time getting used to. i dont notice any lag in any other way though like this article is stating. the servers are SLAMMED right now and it runs smooth as can be. More than i can say for cod4 when it came out. tell this guy to get off the dial up! 'o'

KillZone2=Best game I've ever played.

[Kill Crow]

At first everyone denied it, now they're saying it's deliberate realism ... anyone still denying it's either never played KZ2, or has never played another FPS ...

and anyone calling it deliberate is in denial.

It's lag, plain and simple.

EDIT - Disagree with what, that you denied it at first but now accept it as realism, that it's lag, that you're never played another fps .... ????

[gaffyh]

@above - Obviously it's realism, why would they put "lag" into a game on purpose, or does that not compute? They put the "lag" in because of inertia/momentum, meaning when you start moving a gun you move a little slowly and speed up (gaining momentum).

IT'S WHAT HAPPENS IN REAL LIFE.

[Kill Crow]

it's what doesn't happen in ANY other FPS.

If it's realism and been added on purpose, can you provide a link where it's explained please? Surely the developers would be proud of adding such a realistic feature to their real life battle simulator from another planet?

It's it's so real, where's the snotty noses and f4g breaks?

Where's the realistic butt scratching that ensues from where the same army fatigues for weeks on end?

You guys take this Waaay to seriously, and calling it "Realism" is the funniest thing I've ever heard !!!!

[Peekay]

what does weight and realism have to do with pressing a trigger and experiencing a delay to when the gun actually fires. People watch the video. Someone should send this to GG games. Oh and I've seen that first video that came out in the first week when the demo came out. That looked fake, but this is completely different and looks legit...

[PrimordialSoupBase]

I love how people apply tenuous meanings to avoid an evident problem. It's like Superman 64 in which they made the terrible draw distance a part of the game's story. Classic.

[darx]

That's what killed the game for me. I hope they patch. Let a few other prospective buyers aware and are now holding off on the purchase. Ireturned mine the following day. If they patch I will pick up on the used.

Never one to complain but as far as targeting goes the worst I've expierienced in a FPS and I've played, who knows, 60+ over so many years. Including some of the worst ever.

[original seed]

Lets call it a "Delay" if it makes Fanboys feel better. I also have Killzone2 at comment 1.13.

Im not being a fanboys but instead acknowledge that there is a problem with it. I would like it to be FIXED. That is all. Alot of Killzone players want it fixed.

Im sure in time it will be fixed. Lets just hope people have not given up on the game by then.

[Mikerra17]

its the deadzone not the lag

[darx]

To the complainers who are complaining about the complainers complaining about the controls- are you a little blinded due to the 4 year wait and now feel the need to justify your purchase.

[techie]

This info is false. If they are talking about MP lag - it's the servers. They haven't put lag into the controls.

Getting really annoyed by people confused the weight GG have put in as lag. They are two different things - if you are experience the latter, GG don't want it to be there and it is NOT intentional.

The WEIGHT is intentional - that weight is NOT lag. I experience no lag - except the lag in some online MP games. When I hit fire, it's immediate in SP and most MP games. Enough of the articles which don't know what they are talking about.

[Kill Crow]

I bought a PS3 just for this game. it's really as simply as that. I love it, but It doesn't play as nicely as other games. It looks 10 times better than anything else, but the *srcsm* "realism" */srcsm* just doesn't do it for me.

Having only just got on the PS3 ship, I downloaded a bunch of demo's the other day, and expecting to absolutely HATE Haze completely, I found that it wasn't so bad after all. It plays great compared to KZ2. It looks about 20 years older than it, but it still plays right.

But I guess this is a symptom of how gamings changed with the advent of online patches ... Sony fans moaned non stop about gears of war being broken, but it's patched now ... and I'm sure KZ2 will get patched too ... but don't be lame and call this deliberate ... it's rubbish and needs fixing amen ....

EDIT: below - I did .. the GTA driving sucked ... I swapped GTA within the first week ... couldn't stand it ...

EDIT: Sarcasm below - Good point, if it's realism, why's it the same regardless of which weapon including knife and pistol. Surely the rocket launcher would have more lag ... this is silly your point proves it

[Buttons]

The funny thing is that they never nitpicked GTA4 for what it did to driving as they did KZ2 for what it did to gun movement.

[Sarcasm]

I honestly think due to the deferred rendering and the amount of post-processing effects, is what's really causing the "input lag." I'm pretty sure GG looked far into it before, but simply cannot help the lag so they are claiming it adds weight.

Because let's be a little constructive here. Sure, adding a feeling of weight to a 25-35lb gun is ok, but there's no excuse why it still feels like you're holding a 25-35lb gun when wielding a knife, or pistol, or even the SMG's.

And before you go and say "you fanboy" blah blah blah, HELLOOOO? Look at my avatar, and all I've been playing is Killzone 2.

Oh and for others who trying to minimize the "lag" I did the force into 1080p mode if you have a 1080p tv. Matching the signal to the native resolution of the TV helps reduce any input lag even if it's only 5-10ms, I still feel a difference.

[Real Gambler]

I'm not 100% sure but if you can press the trigger in less than 133ms, and fire a bullet, you win a prize!

Normal pressure on a REAL trigger could be anywhere from 1.2lbs to 4lbs (500gr to 2kg) of pressure. By the time your finger "compress", you already spent 133ms and you have not even pulled the triger yet! This is why Snipers use special kits with double stage triggers no?

And guess what, that's why real people get shot anyway... Nobody can dodge a bullet in 133ms, so even if there's a trigger delay with real weapons, nobody complaint about it : )

P.S.: Last time I checked on CNN, I didn't saw any soldiers jumping up and down in the field while spinning around 360 degree with 50lbs gear on their back and doing head shots. In my book, Killzone is closer to real life than Counter Strike (Doesn't mean I don't like Counter Strike, it's the game I spent the most time on!). Both games are awesome, and both have different styles. End of story.

[darx]

You do realize that this is a video game, right? The realism BS is just that, a load of BS. Sitting on my soaf with a plastic controller in hand, this is what's supposed to be real? Get a grip!

Also taking 20 rounds to your body and recover in 10 seconds doesn't seem all the real to be quite honest.

[Homicide]

Here's the lag: http://www.youtube.com/watc...

I've been experiencing it too, and it put me off the game. I'm no longer interested in KZ2 until they patch it up. Also the official playstation forums are filled with complaints so don't say they don't exist.

[techie]

THAT video is from the demo and it's a big. That does NOT exist in the game. If that's in your game, then you are not playing the same game as me and others. We don't get that lag, so that video is not representative of everyones experience - and so is NOT a problem inherent to the game itself.

[xwabbit]

Homicide go troll else where lol. Go back to playing on ur 360, if any 1 really played the demo they would get used to the aiming the second time playing it and the demo is way short. People cry cus they want another cod4. BTW the full game has faster sense than the demo does.

[Time_Is_On_My_Side]

lol, I'm with you and what's really stupid to only see this "lag" the video has to slow down dramatically. It's like the comparisons with different versions you don't see anything different with them until you zoom in 1000x to see that one missing pixel. This person is talking in ms meaning millisecond that equals to one thousandth of a second, come on.

In reality even looking in the mirror takes time for light to bounce back into your face to see yourself. This is pathetic, just someone trying to start an argument over milliseconds, one thousandth of a second, lol one thousandth of a second.

[Peekay]

I agree that video that Homicide just showed is a load of crock.

But this video isn't: http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blo... by g4tv is legit

There is a lag and you cant say it's intentional or has something to do with weight and realism. Like Kill Crow above says - the rocket launcher would take ages to aim if this had anything to do with weight...

[LastDance]

What is with all the babies and CONTROLS lately. If you dont like them, stop playing the goddamn game.

RE5 Is fine as it is.
Killzone2 is fine as it is.

People are going to complain so much that every single game is going to feel exactly the same because no1 can handle anything different.

Only noobs complain when they suck.

[phosphor112]

-Try swinging a 10 - 15kg gun 45 degrees accurately.
-Try pulling the trigger. Notice the bullet will not fire RIGHT when you start to pull it. Hammer/Pin needs to hit the bullet from the time the trigger is fully depressed.
-I'd like to see you auto aim/lock onto my face while trying to punch me, not gonna happen
-Notice how with every gun, there is no auto aim? I didn't think that happened in real life either.

You guys just LOVE to make up sh!ttastic excuses to make a PS3 game look bad. Agree, or disagree, I don't care, but there is absolutely NO REASON TO HATE ON A GREAT GAME. NO MATTER WHAT CONSOLE. I hate the Wii, doesn't mean super mario galaxy is bad.

[0verdrive]

lol man im disapointed in myself for even wasting my time posting, but i might as well spit it out

for those who say that it is is not intentional, or that it has to do with the deadzone on the controller rather than intentional programming, that is stupid. firstly, there are 100 other fps games out there, and they dont have the controller delay, so it definitely has nothing to do with the ps3 or the controller, its obviously something that GG intended to do. secondly, the deadzone for the controllers is variable, in socom you can set the deadzone very low or very high. using this logic, the deadzone is obviously set high on purpose giving minute control lag. hell, i believe that it is set on purpose to give more weight, because if youve played the game, its obvious that you feel weighty. go back to cod4, and you feel like a floating gun. even worse for halo. all fps b4 kz2 have used that formula, you look around silky smooth, and it just does not really give you a sense that you are actually a person. i do get that feeling in kz2. hell some people may prefer to sacrifice realism for ease and playability, but some people, myself included, actually find it appealing.

that being said, i dont know why everyone is btching about this. honestly, fps on consoles with controllers is stupid, it lacks precision and control that you get with kb+mouse. if you all can get used to playing fps games on shtty controllers, INCLUDING the xbox pad because that sucks too, you can get used to a 1/20th a second controller lag.

stop whining like little girls.

[popup]

The funny thing is that I got it and I don't like FPS that much any more (not very good at them and not interested in multi-player) but of my list of 15 or so buddies on PSN from work, only one of them has got this game. None of them are mad PS3 fanboys, none of them follow PS3 news with any degree of passion but all of them got a PS3 cos they had a PS2 and all of them are still playing COD4 like there is no tomorrow!!

Many got the demo but it is like they don't understand that playing COD4 for months is going to make them feel confident, comfortable and is going to massage their ego's because of their accumulated skill with it and any new game is going to feel 'different' at first but that does not seem to matter. They still feel that COD4 has plenty of life left and anything else is simply 'not COD4' and does not feel like it!

Then there is me, Mr. non-FPS man, loving every minute of it and although I own all the platforms, I am glad that someone proved that the PS3 really can provide something to truly drop your jaw in graphical and immersive terms and raise the bar. In fact, the demo really does nothing to prepare you for the stages that follow and noone will be left in any doubt that this really is quite something!

I have never even played any of the COD's and although I still suck as bad at console FPS as I always have, it makes me sick to see all the babyish control-wingers when I am knee deep in a totally convincing warzone and loving every minute of it!! The only lag is the time it is taking for people to learn a new skill - and for some it seems, 10 minutes is all they need to be an expert judge!

hmmmm.

[andron]

Should check their router and that their broadband is working right.

Because that's where the problem would be if there was any...

[funktion_d]

Ohh it's not junk. it's a really serious problem that for a lot of people just makes the game... very disapointing to play. (the game is great, the controls.. omg!)

How anyone does not think that.. it floors me, and begs the question, "how long have you been playing video games anyway?

[UnwanteDreamz]

AHAHAHAHAHAH cry babies TOP 6% for the week and I didn't even play COD online. Control lag? Nope you have just been playing other games and this one doesn't control like those games. LMAO check my trophies (PSN UnwanteDreams) just admit you want CODMW2 and boo hoo KZ2 wasn't it...........

EDIT: A commentor below hit the nail on the head. Some people want to jump online and be as good as they are in other shooters. AHAHAHAHAH you got to GIT GUD like the rest of us. Lazy gamers thought they could just jump in and own everybody.

[GarandShooter]

Seed, it's not lag, it's not delay, it's physics. It's inertia and momentum. You know inertia, that whole 'a body at rest tends to stay at rest, a body in motion tends to stay in motion' thing. If you don't like it, so be it, you're entitled to your opinion. Accept that there are people with no problem with it. I'll be the first to admit the controls take some getting used to, and may not be what you've come to expect from playing other shooters, but after a little gameplay become second nature.

I'd be willing to bet a lot of the people pissing and moaning (and not necessarily you) are used to scoring better and it just burns their asses that they can't just jump into this game and pwn.

[SiLeNt KNighT]

if this were really lag because the ps3 has to process so much at once than GG would have taken out sensitivity options. some of you sound pathetic trying to find any problem you can with the game. test it out...if you really have the game as some questionable people have claimed...turn up the sensitivity and spin in circles. once it gets going theres no lag because of rendering. its obviously a feature. now go put a 20 pound weight in your hand and spin in circles. it takes a second to start going full speed but once you get there everythings good. it is realism and has nothing to do with rendering. use common sense.

and to the dude saying its not real because you have a plastic controller in your hand...you sound like a child trying to argue pure fact. the only reason we want and get better graphics is because it adds to the realism. just like it takes a second to start moving when you have a lot of weight on you. because it takes place in the future you cant conclude that people wont be able to heal themselves, BUT you can conclude weight will have the same effect on humans.

[macalatus]

To all the haters, listen:

I've played all of the incarnations of KZ2: beta, demo, retail. Now read closely...THERE IS NO LAG!! I'll admit that it's a litte slow compared to others, but I repeat, THERE IS NO LAG! I've even tried every possible that might create, or even create an illusion, of a lag, but no...there wasn't any during my own tests!

I guess the 360 fanboys can't admit that this is an AAA game title, and is looking for ways to bash this game.

And in case you people might ask, I've played Halo, COD4, Unreal Tournament, Haze, and a couple of FPS out there I cannot name at this moment.

[ThanatosDMC]

That was one of the best sensible post i've seen all day. Bubbles for you.

[original seed]

I know what you are saying. I agree 100%. Due to the physics it has a slight delay on ones movement.

I just want people to acknowledge peoples concerns over the controls are justified. Its there. We are not making it up. Now im sure people will get used to it if they choose to keep playing. My only fear is that most will just move on to a more satisfying experience thus making killzone2 online community life-span shorter than it could have been.

[DelbertGrady]

There's a reason cars in racing games behave like they have power-assisted steering, even if they don't in reality. There's a reason you don't have to use the windscreen wipers.

There's also a reason you don't add lag to the controls of an fps game.

It doesn't add to the fun. Games are about having fun.

[Matpan]

"because it takes place in the future you cant conclude that people wont be able to heal themselves, BUT you can conclude weight will have the same effect on humans."....

In that future... those self healing people can also have super strong bio-mechanical enhanced muscles that prevent them from any movement momentum or weigh lag... :P just following your train of thought here XD...

U see... some "realism" is ALWAYS compromised for the sake of gameplay. therefore, you can take plenty of shots and regenerate, (in the fashion of modern console FPS, so you don´t have to look for health packs, somewhere in the way, we gamers got lazier :P go figure) and in soooo many other games that claim that realism also... that "weigh lag" (or momentum) is also eliminated for the sake of instant response to controls (something that, in my opinion feels rewarding and good).

So yes, maybe guerrilla had the best of intentions when introducing this tiny new bit of "realism" (if it was indeed intended, I ignore this as a fact) to the game (among all the other realism they left out of it, let´s face it, it´s a game after all) But this will not go unnoticed... the status quo in FPS does not like "lag" of any type. And while it may add something in some peoples´ opinions, many many others will complain, because it feels different and they just LOVE the way all other FPS plays...

Please, this is a matter of opinion. IMO... Guerrilla will patch this, not because it was a bad decision, but because nowadays gampelay is much more dynamic and demands for tight responsive controls. And while you may argue that playing with those milliseconds is a constitutive part of KZ2´s gameplay (a new element to have into consideration, to be alert and act a moment before the expected in order to get the result you really want) The truth is... all other FPS have avoided that segment of realism... simply because its a common agreement and people feel ok with it.

But... I could be wrong, and people may get used to this... many will just continue to play past the controls to get the fun out of the rest of the game and see the gorgeous visuals and eventually, most will see past this. But for many "purists" this might be a big NO... I think if this feature wouldn´t have been included at all there would be NO ONE complaining (this is what mostly makes me think guerrilla will patch it)

[RumJunkie]

...the game is adding so much post-processing to the graphics to make it the incredible-looking game it so clearly is. Think about it this way - when you play PSone games on your PSP via your PS3, there is a distinct lag, even played straight from the console. Every time you push a button, there's a tangible wait before the action happens on the PSP's screen. Now, this is due to the fact the PS3 is making a compressed video of the game being played and sending it to the PSP, rather than the PSP processing the game and displaying it (plus a little extra time for image transmission). Now, in Killzone's case, think of it like this - the PS3 takes your control input, processes what will happen, but then spends another three or four frames making that action look freakin' amazing, before displaying it. That's the lag you see, and a patch will not fix it - not unless graphical quality takes a hit. It's only a theory, but it does make sense when you think about it, non?

[Naucious]

I admit i was a lil mad about the controls but a lil adjusting here and there, and wah lah, im back in it becoming number one again. Call it lag, realism i dont give a F_ck. All i know it feels very realistic when i play, and thats only to a certain extent. Im a very skilled player in COD4 im always top killer when i play if I have a great connection and even i dont use that as an excuse cuz I still sometimes end up being top killer, ( by the way I have played full 32 player games and havent came across lag, drop outs or glitching or n e thing that by far is amazing to me unlike with COD4). It's only a learning curve that you definetly will get use to if you just feel it out and maybe play the campiagn first instead of just jumping in a multiplayer game and not have a feel for the controls, which brings me to my statement.......

THIS IS NOT COD4, COD5, HALO, OR N E OTHER FPS SHOOTER YOU'VE PLAYED. This is Killzone 2 so it has its own style and honestly i like it a lot, it prevents me from being that run and gun shooter that I always am in COD4. IT seems everyone is thinking that the controls are going to be exactly the same as COD4, well guess what? 2 different developers buddy lol. If anyone still feels to whine about the aiming i suggest this.... Take the y axis as low as possible till you feel its right, switch to alt 2 as far as button layout and increase the x axis by to clicks to the right. IT feels perfect to me, another thing stop run and gunning i looked at the killzone website about weapon specs and they do suggest aiming in a crouch position for greater accuracy at long distances. Guess what? I tried it and it works!!!

It seems everyone is bashing about the controls cuz obviously everyone is hooked on COD4 and the controls of that game, lol it seems people need to learn how to adapt and accept change, if you cant then stay with that game, and no need to put input another game that you can get a handle on the controls lmao! wow i honestly stopped playing COD4 because theres no challenge in it for me, I come across a skilled person every once in a while but believe me its a long while, I even stopped playing for many months and came back like nothings change when i was expecting skill level to show up then, so to me I say its not the controls but the player itself, It's time to move on folks COD4 is getting old and your missing out on a great game if your going to let controls get in the way.

Oh if you think im just talking my PSN ID is Naucious i accept all friends that I can and believe me im not just talking out my @$$ disagree all you want or agree it doesnt matter to me im still murking either way it goes lmao!!!!

[madpuppy]

all you Quake wars, Unreal Tournament jump players that like to jump around and zigzag 5 feet in front of an opponent cannot seem to get the hang of playing an FPS that is more in line with the way people really move. people don't more around like Corky Romano on coke in real life and they don't dance in front of an enemy like an idiot.

[locos85]

The controls are fine for me. Treyarch nor Infinity Ward made this game, so why should it have COD controls. The standard controls are needed to play the game. I don't know how people can cover and aim using Alternate 2 controls.

[edgeofblade]

The Whatlaggers say: "What nose on my face?"

Actually, I feel less lag. What really needs fixing is that HUGE deadzone. It's way to big for precision movement.

Or maybe it's the acceleration curve. I can't tell precisely.

[NickIni]

Firstly. Lag is to do with server/internet connection issues. This is not lag. A delay, yes. Lag, no.

Secondly, it's weight. CoD4 has is, CoD5 has it. Every shooter has it, it's just a lot more noticeable in KZ2. Half down to the fact people are looking for bad things within the game.

[Durffen]

I do have to agree. It's something that you can get used too over time. But still, since the game just released, everyone is a little frustrated.

I think I would have liked it better if they went with traditional aiming like most FPS games, but I understand they wanted realism and they don't want to be like every other FPS on the market. Hopefully everyone will just get used to the controls over time. Sure it's realistic, but I think I would take a little more fun over realism any day.

[Pennywise]

It is not a disadvantage if everyone is playing with the same thing. I do not get why it is a problem. Give it time, your brain will adjust and you wont even notice it.

[Durffen]

I never said it was disadvantage. I just said it makes the game harder to get used to then most other FPS titles. I know a lot of people will get the hang of it soon, hopefully including myself. But I still like the traditional FPS title that I can pick up and be good at right away.

I like Killzone 2 alot, I just need to get used to it more. That's all.

[Pennywise]

no, i agree... I was just making my statement in general about the aiming system. I love the game, and I still have to get used to it... I still need to get used to shooting with a controller!! I love the old m/kb setup personally... but all the good games with good communities are coming to consoles, so this old dog needs to adjust.

[mc-fine]

Realism is a terrible excuse because its not consistent with the game. If it really was realism they would have different "weighty" controls for the different weapons. If they had made the game have tighter aiming controls none of the KZ2 apologists would have had any complaints. All that is great about is still there.

I've been an FPS guy for the longest time all on PC. As all the big games and community start to move towards consoles I had to suck it up and accept the lack of precision that comes with a controller. After getting really hyped for KZ2 I rented Resistance 2 and played a few FPS demos to get comfy with the controller. Most did a pretty good job, obviously not as good as m/kb but well considering the limitations of thumbstick.

KZ2 on the other hand just felt bad. After playing the demo for a few weeks and playing through the whole campaign it still feels bad. You feel like you are fighting the controller the whole time. You can make small movements slowly but it requires an ever so slight tilt of the thumbstick and it takes too long.

I paid my $60 I've given my support. I like the game. Would it really kill GG to add an option to adjust the deadzone/sensitivity controls?

[GarandShooter]

Mc, the weightiness is not just a factor of the weapon you are currently using, but with the entire mass of the soldier and gear.

[edgeofblade]

Realism is one of those principled reactions that we in the game industry should be familiar with.

Premise: Games are bad for children
Reaction: Ban certain games
Result: More kids get games because they are forbidden fruit

Premise: We want games that are more realistic
Reaction: Games that control more realistically
Result: Controls feel awkward

See, you think you want realism, but when it comes down to it, you just want to have fun and actually have little understanding how to achieve that.

[Gun_Senshi]

<('.'<) Screw you Guys, I'm going to play more KZ2 (>'.')>

[Mindboggle]

Exactly, thats all it is. People are crap so they blame the controls. For me its not even an issue, easily the most fun fps ive played.

[Kleptic]

nice...I don't have any pictures, but I hit the 3% honor rank yesterday...

you've got me kdr though...i'm at 1200+ kills and around 800 deaths iirc...

[phosphor112]

I USUALLY get within the first 3 people every match. First day I played..my team was so bad..I had around 75 points, second person on my team had 20 some..I was so pissed..lol..we won though. I can't pull off huge gaping scores like that now that I'm at a higher rank. Hopefully killzone.com will come up so all n4g guys can compare.

[madpuppy]

most of the complainers just happen to suck at the game. I love the feel of the controls, and I love FPS (even though, I usually suck at them normally) The controls put you in a position that you have to think about your strategy rather then just run around like a lunatic jumping and circling the enemy. puts slower players on a more level ground with the twitchy fast players.

[edgeofblade]

I rail against Nintendo for making gamers into lobotomized nitwits, but this kind of thinking is what we call the Hardcore Death Spiral and it's the reason Nintendo is kicking everyone's @$$ right now.

If we aren't good enough, we don't deserve to enjoy the game? What happens when the people you are better than stop playing and someone claims YOU shouldn't play because you suck. Eventually, one person is stuck playing a game they are the best at but they have no one to play against.

It's awfully short sighted to say that "you just suck" and not understand the consequences of that position.

[Baba1906]

i dont see the problem its not like some have it and some dont. it ist a bnit slow turning but thats part of it. deal with it or go cry in a corner where u dont have to turn.

[Lucreto]

People are used to all other FPS which is like a gun mounted on a shopping trolley. This is the first out where you feel like you are carrying a pack and a heavy gun.

[GraySnake]

i have no problem getting headshots in kz2, and i agree with durffen, ppl just need time to get used to the tiny, small, little fraction of a input lag when aming, just go play the sp, or skrimish, and ull get used to it real quick. KZ2 is fantastic, i like the mp better the cod4(its a little more tatical imo)plus the almighty feture of custom soundtracks! btw has anyone gone back and tried to play cod4 or ww again after playing kz 2 a bit?

[evrfighter]

"little fraction of a input lag when aming"

I actually have experienced this in other games. I got it when I started cranking up cod4's AF and AA to max on my old pc. A friend has told me he gets it when he cranks AAx8 on CS source. If this is indeed what's going on in kz2 I don't think they intended to "add weight" (seriously wtf, what developer would intentionally do that?)Dare I say, this is what may be happening with kz2?

It was very very annoying when this was happening and would have rather lived with the jaggies then no input lag. Sure it was still possible to aim in that situation but twitch shot headshots were few and far between.

There would be other ways to make for a more realistic feel than intentional input lag. an animated jump that takes a second to complete. More recoil when spraying would be a few examples.

Disagree with me all you want. If this is really is as being described. I have experienced it on the pc. I can care less about the fanboy war as I don't own a console...well actually I own a ps2. But I'm just throwin in some input as someone who's experienced input lag in another video game.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

This is not possible with input lag. Why would you guys say ppl who don't like it are nubs? BTW this is my cs friend I was mentioning.

[Sarcasm]

"I actually have experienced this in other games. I got it when I started cranking up cod4's AF and AA to max on my old pc. A friend has told me he gets it when he cranks AAx8 on CS source. If this is indeed what's going on in kz2 I don't think they intended to "add weight" (seriously wtf, what developer would intentionally do that?)Dare I say, this is what may be happening with kz2?"

You hit the nail on the head buddy, at least with me. I believe it's something along the lines of that. The post-processing effects, the deferred rendering, the texture streaming, etc. etc. could be causing the input lag.

[Ju]

If its a technical limitation is possibly caused by the deferred renderer. There, I said it. They run a frame through 3-4 buffers, if you add the frame time to each, you end up with a delay. Could well be (I think its most likely).

But, I don't care. The whole game is designed around that. Its no UT, or CS, where you run around killing people with single shots. It simply doesn't play like an arcade shooter. I don't know, if you'd expect that, well, then you're off here. I am perfectly fine with that. And to be honest, after a while, for me personally, it just feels right.

The lag some people refer to is something I cannot relate in KZ2. Real lag, means it lags in every aspect. Movement, running, jumping, what not. And the stick would "overstear" a lot and you'd be trying to correct that a lot, with no chance to get it under control, because, well, its a timing issue. I just played GeoW with a 24fps slow PC. Yeah, that's lag, and the controls really suck there - but maybe because I run a DS3 on the PC with Xpadder - but that's real lag. But it's no comparison to KZ2 what so ever.

[evrfighter]

Im not sure if you understand what I mean. I don't play fps games at 24fps. Not cod4 or cs. I'm under the impression you think I'm getting input lag because of low fps. It's the opposite really, Minimum is 60fps or I lower my settings no and's if's or but's.

When I played cod4 promod My fps was almost always capped at 125 (I know Because of my lcd I'm not seeing 125 but only 75, I left it there so that there was a buffer and going under 75fps would be rare). This is why I started upping the AA and AF.

The input lag aka weighty feel was there and plain as day at 80-90fps (i play with fraps on). I would say around 300ms delay. Just enough so that the game was still playable. Ya with enough practice I'd be somewhat decent but no longer able to hit a consistent twitch shot. But ya it was enough to completely throw off my game.

Like I said I experienced this on cod4 with high fps when trying to max out graphics. A friend experienced this on cs source when trying to do the same (a core 2 duo @ 3.2ghz, 2gb ram and an hd3870 is his setup) I've never really asked anyone else I know.

[Ju]

That's what I tried to say. A 1:1 input event @ 30fps would react to a button press in about 33ms. There is a difference between performance based lag and response behavior.

In KZ2 case, if, for example the deferred rendered adds time to a frame the fully composed image might take longer then 33ms. So, no matter how fast you can see the screen, or even if the refresh rates stays at 30fps, this time will get added to the response time.

In opposition to performance based issues, where the trigger signal simply doesn't reach the statemanchine fast enough within a refresh cycle, like your frames drop. Or your renderer lets the input thread tank. That sort of things (btw, this does not happen with KZ2).

So, I am just saying, "lag" in the traditional way is not the problem of KZ2. And I said, if it is a performance issue, then its based how multiple buffers run thru the rendering pipeline. You have to react to the trigger in the beginning of the pipeline, there is no way to "predict" that event during the composition stage.

[evrfighter]

I seriously need to hit up my ps3 buddies and try it out now. That input lag I had I probably would recognize it right away if indeed kz2 is plagued by it.

Again I'm not saying it's a major problem for kz2 because unlike pc shooters twitch shooting to survive isn't that much of a problem on consoles. Like I said already I probably could have adapted to it with practice. However my headshot twitches would have been completely thrown off.

kz2 probably won't be what I'm looking for sadly. From what I'm reading most kz2 players have already seemed to accept the weighty feel and are calling it realistic. Not sure if they understand what realistic means. Guys on floating platforms, regenerating health after being shot 5 times...I'll stop before I go off topic.

I guess I'll just wait for the ps3 to hit $250 and wait for mw2.

[madpuppy]

Headshots are challenging but, they are not hard and I like the idea that I am not getting help, I like not having auto-aim, last time I fired my rifle I don't remember the round magically finding the target.

[YesYourGay]

When theirs plenty of stuff on screen going on the game slows down to a snails pace (lag) which is awful to play to anyone deciding on picking KillZone 2 don't bother not worth it.

[InfectedDK]

LMAO!
Nobody will belive in your fanboyism.
The game is superior and people know that.
There is NO lag. Its a decision to make the game play more realistic.
Just buy Doom 3 releasing for 360 instead if ya cant handle it :)

[Scott_Steinberg]

"Cry baby Cry"

[Pennywise]

pp, what are you on about now?? Go back to playing Banjo and let the big boys talk about the big boy games.

[Sir Ken_Kutaragi]

'pp' has that Avatar and his name is 'YesYourGay'???

;-D ;-D ;-D

That was the BEST Laugh i have had on this ever!!! ;-D
Thanks for making my day!!! ;-D

Oh anyway, 'KILLZONE 2' is PERFECT!!! ;-P

[cryymoar]

it isn't lag, it is actually an ACCELERATION added to the movement to give the sense of "weight" for each weapon.

Want to know how?
On your desktop's mouse settings, turn on your 'mouse pointer acceleration' and a lot of it, but turn down your sensitivity. Now run any FPS like Half-Life, Counterstrike, or Quake, and feel the "lag" or "weight." This is why pro FPS players almost ALWAYS turn off 'mouse pointer acceleration' because it adds the acceleration, often making you over-aim or under-aim on your shots. Solution? Yes GG could just patch it and get rid of these complaints, or people can just deal with it learn to play with the added "realism." Remember, no one else in the game is playing without it, so it's all fair game. Learn to time your aiming right, and use more strafing for aiming so that you don't have to move your cross hair.
With that said: Enjoy the game. I know I will, and I'm not complaining. Congratulations GG for creating such a masterpiece, congrats to Sony for giving GG their full development support. May their accomplishments laugh in the face of those who denied them.
Killzone 2: 10/10.

[DirtyLary]

If another title has the controls right , just use it.

[d3l33t]

don't change it I love this game!!!

[d3l33t]

Dirtylary i just came to the conclusion you are advocating against innovation. Step outside the box!

[BRG9000]

If making guns take 1/8 of a second to respond to the trigger in games is "innovation", I'm with DirtyLary.

[CoxMulder]

lets all pretend to be PS3-owners and bash Killzone 2!!

I'm in last weeks top 10 & I think the controls are perfect..

If they noobify the controls for the COD-kiddies, I'm personally going to the Prinsengracht en tell the guys at Guerrilla to change it back or face such terrible vengeance that generations yet unborn will cry out in anguish!!

[Asuka]

this is starting to get annoy now. There is no lag, there is no problem with the controls or response times or anything like that. The game was designed that way on purpose!

Not every fps has to be super fluid, has to be twitchy. The problem is people have are to used to playing games like halo/cod or any other recent fps that have the twitchy feel to them. Not all fps's have to play that way you know! Just learn to deal with it already!

To be honest once you learn how to actually play the game you will realize that the control speed is absolutely perfect the way it is. If it were sped up in anyway it would completely change the experience and a ruin the game for those that have already adapted to the aiming speed.

Let killzone be killzone, let halo/cod be what they are.

[Pennywise]

The faithful must downplay the revolution!!

Notice the new line for anyone stating this game is GREAT: "If it is so great why arent you playing it".... the new comeback line.

Steak is great, but I dont eat it all the time. I do have to work to afford my bills!!!

[Pennywise]

Or they could feed us a great game and we would defend it to the masses. This game is AWESOME cousinlary.

[mc-fine]

when did console fps games become "twitchy"? You ppl make me feel old...

probably cause I am.

[d3l33t]

I'm sick of opinionated articles surfacing to the top of N4G. I hope it changes soon or i'm leaving for good.

[Pennywise]

I am waiting for a PS site to open where we dont have to deal with this crap. I am not about living on a cloud where everything is great and there are no problems, but these FUD articles are getting really stupid.

I love the mix of news, I love the comment section, I love the bubbles and agree/disagree... but some of the opinions by one or two people with multiple accounts is getting RETARDED. It is a real turn off. This site is cool for condensing all the gaming news in an up to the minute matter, but having to fight with people about their lies is very tedious.

[d3l33t]

i agree and it is the lack of moderation. There needs to be super moderators in place to keep opinionated articles from 'stirring the pot'. To my understanding all this uproar is only causing increased traffic to this site, but it's also breeding hate and separation between people who share the same passion - gaming.

[Pennywise]

Wow - you nailed it on the head about the separation and the moderation.

Its a shame, we all do have the same passion. And passion is definitely what we all have spending our time up to the minute with news and commenting all day.

This site feeds on the flame wars and I think the moderators are instructed to let it go on because it keeps certain people coming. I get involved, but I am getting very tired of it. They will lose all of the following of level head gamers and be stuck with the bottom feeders. Lets see how they do then. Well, here is hoping for a savior.

[SIX]

Not lag. I know what people mean though because I'm really not so good at this game because of it. Then again, I also sucked at R2 and COD the first couple days I played it on line. In the end it's very simple. You will get used to the controls just like any fps game. Once that is overcome. I think you will be hard pressed to find a better on line shooter. The level design and graphics is unmatched. Very impressive game.

[spunnups]

no problems here

[silvacrest]

anything to down play this awesome game huh?

[rawd]

Killzone 2 is perfect. If I wanted my character to spin in circles unrealistically, I'd play some of the other shooters out there

[Defectiv3_Detectiv3]

I've beaten it on veteran and I've played the multiplayer for a few hours - there is no lag - the controls are fine - maybe they aren't DUMBED DOWN enough for some people (COD FANS), but I actually like the fact that the game feels different (and more realistic).

The guns feel like they have weight and you feel like you're actually controlling a soldier.

I just think its funny that whoever posted this article (EMPATHY?) had to start a new screen name. This guy only has 260 user points. That my friends, is what I call a plant.

Get over it already 360 fans, the PS3 has better exclusives.

GOW3
Infamous
GT5
White Knight Story
Demon Souls
Quantuum Theory
Syphon Filter
MAG
DC Universe
Twisted Metal
Rockstar Exclusive
Team Ico Project
Uncharted 2
FF Versus
The list goes on...

[YesYourGay]

KillZone2 Controls are awful and Yes theirs lag in the game. My advice to anyone waiting for a decent shooter hold on for Halo3 ODST or Call of Duty 2 which i can guarantee will have better controls and no lag with mouth watering graphics to boot.

[d3l33t]

stop drinking cool aid and try the game. i guarantee if these are truthful comments you have yet to play Killzone 2. It sets the bar for FPS and action games alike. I suggest you put down the keyboard and give it a try. I loved Halo, COD, Counterstrike, you name it; because of the unique experience each has given. Killzone falls under that category and im glad they didnt try to copy Halo OR COD

[Pennywise]

He can not afford a PS3. He probably shouldnt even be on the pc... he should be doing homework.

I love how pp acts like he has played the game. He probably hasnt even seen it in HD glory, his head would explode. Youtube does it no justice.

My friends have seen the game and all have the same reaction -WOW.

[hatchimatchi]

im giving you a bubbly just cause your so blantantly in love with the 360 and i think its hilarious. Killzone2 is a great game, you obviously have never played it. I've beat the sp campaign and also put about 9 hours in on top of that, which brings me to around 15 AND i still havent gotten to the mp yet. This game rules

[evisu]

why dont ps3 fanboys accept that their is lag!

there is lag. it will take you 5seconds just to do a 360 turn.

even if you crack up the sensitivity. it will not do any good.

luckily i didnt buy this game.

game with no lag:
halo 3
resistance 2
call of duty

game with lag:
killzone 2
legendary

even the first killzone didnt have this stupid lag.

its like your playing the game with 10kilo on each hand. trying to manover left to right.

but you ps3 fanboys are all right. theres no lag and the game is perfect.

serious. you must be stupid and a half.

dont know why you fanboys are in denial.

[boca]

do you even have ps3?

[Defectiv3_Detectiv3]

And I doubt you even own this game.

Or maybe you just suck at games like this that actually require skill.

Anyway, the controls in KZ2 are as responsive as they should be.

[Ryo-Hazuki]

What an idiot...u are missing the point that your guy has weight to him...such as carrying a gun...wearing armor. I know u like games like unreal and cod where u can spin around in half a sec with the floating gun. It just shows u have no skill

[Pennywise]

Because we own the game?? There is NO LAG. Microsoft should stop spreading false rumors and get to work on games. This has really become a circus act. 1 more hour and I can get back to leveling up!

[divideby0]

keep comparing the game to something its NOT....

so many have been trying to bash KZ for years....and to me thats lol funny bashing a game years before it came out.

the game sets the bar for graphics and action on screen...so now there is yapping about the controls..

If you want to compare play KZ, than toss in GOW2...GOW2 just is pale in comparison when I played it the other day.

lets try complaining about the box art next...lmao

[Lucreto]

Why would we admit to lag where there is none.

[Ju]

"it will take you 5seconds just to do a 360 turn. " See and there you have it. This does not describe lag at all. A lag would be, you press the stick, and say 3-4 frames later (that is 90-110ms (!) later, that is 0.1seconds at max!) you start to turn. If it takes 5 seconds to turn, that is your rotation speed which has nothing to do with lag.

This whole thing is so blown out of proportion. People all of a sudden use 5 seconds (!) and put it in the context of "lag". WTF. Don't play with numbers without a context.

[Hanilugtehul]

go to the control options then fix it make a 360 turn and then shut your face hole fanboy!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ballsofsteel]

there is no lag is the game just the controls work slower. in games like cod once move the analog stick it moves at the max speeds it's set to. is KZ2 when you move the analog sticks there is a response but the starting speeds is slower and begins to speed up which is more realistic. take a car for example, you can't just move at 40mph instantly you have to accelerate from 0 to 40 same thing in KZ2 is start slow and then speeds up this is just another example of how people want games to be different but then criticize it for being too different

[GarandShooter]

Damn, dude, is that why my first lap from a stop is always slower than my running lap when playing a racer? Good analogy.

Here, folks, is someone who understands the concept of inertia.

[ballsofsteel]

wow great why of oversimplifying my answer you know damn well that not what i meant. If you run a 40 yard dash guess at what what point your velocity or speed is the fastest? and btw inertia is an objects resistance to change in motion and doesn't factor much into running laps. for example if your sprinting in KZ2 and stop to turn around you should turn slower because your trying to resist the current state of motion, that would be an example of inertia which is present in KZ2. the only reason you slow you slow down at the end of a lap is because your tired no physics principal applies there

[GarandShooter]

Sorry dude, if you thought I was being sarcastic toward you. I was agreeing with you. Inertia and momentum play a big role in movement and turning in KZ2. Inertia prevents the car in your example from being able to go from a dead stop to 40 mph instantly, as well as being able to turn at full speed instantly in KZ2. Pointing you out as someone who understands was intended to be complimentary. My bad.

[yoghurt]

oh dear oh dear. Look, if you can't play the game because your not good enough, don't play it. If you cant stand the heat get out of the kitchen.

Best FPS Ive played, movements very real, simply awsome.

[evisu]

seriously you fanboys are in denial again.

i told you cats once and will again.

my psn is topblood

first thing ps3 fanboys do if you critise a game
" xbot fanboy!"

second thing they say.
" you dont have a ps3".

last thing they say:
"look at our exclusive"

you fanboys are all predictable.

goto youtube.com and see for yourself. type in killzone 2 lag and you will get plenty of videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
if you cannot feel the lag then maybe your still playing killzone 1. lol

[boca]

you dont have a game and you feel lag?

[Arkham]

Go to youtube and you'll also see plenty of videos of UFO sightings, all of which are either carefully staged or wrongly interpreted by morons who can't accept events in their particular context.

Just like those KZ2 videos.

[electricgta]

problem is evu thats the kz2 DEMO
you people need to stop sucking infinity wards knob and be a gamer and adjust.. "retard" is all i have to say to them people who cant get used to it jeezuz this game isn't cod

[ironmonkey]

u must suck at fps cause u complain i see no lag the game is fine and dont get angry cause u cant aim and shoot they have newb rooms for u to play in but its good that u didnt buy this game cause ud be crying and smashing ur controller from dying to much and ur friends telling u that u suck i played the game once a day so far since the day i got it god damn rooms are always full! but so much fun! when u get in,and clan matches r awsome especially the tournament matching

[zaldare]

Probably hurt for others, but im playing with 'Alternative 2' controls and theyre great.

[Snatcher]

I don't know if it is on the full game.

[SpitFireAce85]

But people are used to twitchy controlles like COD4.
To tell you the truth im having a hard time getting used to
KZ2 but im not giving up im going to keep trying till i get the
hang of it.I see people on there give a lot of head shots to other
players im having a hard time giving head shots.Any advice would be
appreciated.Also its very hard shooting some one when they are running across a street for me at least it is.It also seems when you
just squeeze of the entire clip that the cross hairs just widen so much even if your 5 feet from the target i dont think even one bullet hits the target.Its very strange just seems to me that way.

All in all love the game Having hard time with MP contolles have to keep practicing

[ballsofsteel]

i would suggest playing through the campaign on veteran after a couple levels is just really use to the controls, especially getting headshots

[Hellsvacancy]

Theres a simple answer - just try and think 0.2 mila seconds ahead i dont seem to hav any trouble and to think of it if this "lag" exists every player online will hav the same issues so the game is in balance with itself

Edit. @Evisu - i didnt disagree wid ya (i didnt even bother readin your post) but my Psn is Hellvacancy i iz not scared

[evisu]

3 disagrees from ps3 fanboys. wow you fanboys take things to seriously. cant you just accept the fact that the game lag.

if the game didnt lag. then why would they be post after post in forums, blogs and youtube.

demo and the full game is no different. same control scheme and weight to it.

ps3 fanboys are a bunch of anime lovers who cannot deal with the truth.

i told you cats again. add topblood psn and you cats will see i got a over 2 k/d cuz that game has no lag in controls.

i bet none of you even have a ps3 and your just dutch people trying to defend their only game.

none of you cats are willing to put your psn on here cuz you do not even have a ps3.

stop hyping the game while the game suffers from control lag, 2 boss battles, a crap ending.

people are already selling the game on ebay already.

n4g = site for ps3 fanboys only

to: snatcher
atleast you can see the truth. unlike some people

[boca]

oh, baby cry MOOOAAAR:)))

[OldGamer]

After reading your post, may I suggest you spend more time in school learning proper english usage and sentence structure, and less time playing video games.

You fail at all the above.

[fallingdove]

Was it your great hope, to comment this afternoon, to cure us, delusional Killzone 2 fans of our incessant need to play the game?

Now that you mention it, rather than have accelerated stick movement, it should have also had an auto-lockon...

Maybe it could have also had double jump, and wall run..

It should have most definitely had a secondary and tertiary fire and could have digitized Vin Diesel for the lead character.

That is a trip down conformity lane sir; while you don't like the game, there are many who do. While the controls take some getting used to and it never tries to paint itself as a gimmick - I think the game is top notch.

My suggestion - don't play the game and don't bother people that do play it.

[Gun_Senshi]

I got 2 k/d ratio on COD4
2.3 on COD:WAW
3 something on Resistance 2
16.7 k/d ratio on Warhawk
and 2 k/d ratio in Killzone 2.

YOU JUST SUCK

[Hanilugtehul]

LOL you cant be serious? please tell me you kidding, you cant be that stupid!

[Arkham]

Go play QuakeLive if you want a twitch shooter. KZ2 is not a twitch shooter.

For the love of... Some people.

Using the same aborted mindset you could blame MGS4 for being laggy because it doesn't have the same hyperfast button-mashing that DMC4 employs.

"Oh noez! Snake can't jump very high! He's sooo sloooow...!"

[komp]

I bet anyone who complains about KZ2 controls also plays COD but they dont even realise the AIM ASSIST in COD is on LOL.

It takes skill to play KZ2. I guess those guys at General lvl dont have an issue.

[SpitFireAce85]

SpitFireAce and yes i do have the game so go troll somewhere else
go pick up/preorder HaloWars and stop trolling enjoy your games
moron.

[Faztkiller]

there's nothing wrong with the controls I'm getting tired of these stupid story's if u don't like the controls play something eles quit crying
let the people that actually enjoy the game and want to make it better do so

[Socomer 1979]

what input lag? I can twitch reflex shoot at anthing moving because I played splinter cell.
in splinter cell you can pick locks. In that mechanic & in other games there is a mid ring & a outer ring you have to hit to succeed.

In killzone you must be deliberate. For head shots from the shoulder you tap tap. Just imagine yourself guiding this arm & hand for the shot. Small tap in the mid ring of the analog is where you want to be. Feel like your getting flanked? Hold the analog stick left or right to the outer ring. Hold it too long & you notice you turned too fast.
time it. Hard right, tap tap, scope view, shot no shot?

I can shoot several targets at once & if your lucky from long range or the proper skill you can burst fire horizontally & score multiple headshots. I'm sorry but input lag is a lie.
There's slow & fast shoulder aiming & iron/scope fine aiming. Its not even hard to learn, LOL.

[Darrius Cole]

Could you PM me with a better explanation of that. I have been trying to figure out the aiming system in order to increase my game. It seems as though you already have it figured out.

Oh Yeah,....Bubbles for you.

[mario888]

LOL, There is no Auto aim. You want to kill a guy halfway across a map even when he runs into the tress than COD is for you.

[CrazyJ]

I think people are having problems with the controls since there is no autoaim in this game. There may be a hint of lag but I bet if there was autoaim people wouldn't be complaining. They've also increased the deadzone to increase the area where you can make fine adjustments. The aiming in this game is not like other FPS's. It'll take a while to adjust.

[Crazywhitie]

I think the only thing wrong with this game is the Fact that the classes are not open at the beginning.. it makes the online play One sided to the people who don't have jobs, or have know life's.... Please open ALL CLASSES

[DragonWarrior46534]

I just got a trophy and medal for being in the top 10 percent players in the game last week. The controls never stopped me from being good. Maybe its because this dude sucks? Probably.

[marcindpol]

until the release of the game i was thinking there is everything alright with the controls but now since i have K2 i think the acceleration on right stick is to fast, it should be smoother.

in my opinion there is no lag!!!, just the controls should be twicked a bit:)

[boca]

naucz sie grac a nie placz

[OldGamer]

I played all weekend and didn't have any difficulty getting used to the controls, nor do i feel they need to be changed. It just feels like, as the devs have said, it adds weight to your character. To me, it adds realism. Could a real person with potentially a hundred pounds of gear and a heavy weapon really spin around 360 degrees as fast as in some other games? Could the same person run at full speed up a staircase or across a large expanse without getting a bit tired and have to slow down?

Now if there truly is lag, and it affects everyone equally, then what difference does it make? If there was a huge difference between players, then I could see a problem with it.

One complaint I do have with KZ2 is that your character seems way too short compared to everyone else and it just looks weird when you're standing next to someone or in front of a table or something.

[MrJack]

It is hilarious picking off the noobs with headshots as they don't realise they cant just auto aim like COD :D

[pwnsause]

here we go again /facepalm....

[Johnny Rotten]

I'm going on 26 hours of play and not once have said to myself that the controls suck or lag.

[proArchy]

KZ2 is not Halo, COD, or TF2. It is what it is. I'm glad the controls are the way they are, I don't want KZ2 to be any of those games. Get used to them, they're quite rewarding when you do. I just don't see the problem unless the problem is people being stubborn whiners who are too lazy to acclimate their selves to new controls.
Also, I'd like to say I'm thoroughly impressed by the fidelity in KZ2's network code. I have only noticed the tiniest bit of lag in one game of the dozens I've played.

[Raider69]

If GG dont get this fix soon MP wont last long to some gameplayers.my self included!Now lets get back to COD4 that right now is still the best MP game on any console!HAIL TO THE KING!

[boca]

yeah AUTO-AIM of DUTY, FTW

[Pennywise]

Its funny all these auto-aim nublets thought they were good until they played KZ.

[Hanilugtehul]

keep playing cod4 keep missing out on the greatest fps ever!IDIOT!

[free3sixty]

so its realism when i take ma G36 and i see the Crosshair 500ms later on my enemys head?

LOL.. i think ya werent ever in military huch?

You run.. you aim.. you shoot, thats IT! THATS REALISMY.

KZ2 = you run, aim, shoot- but you didnt hit your enemy.

YOU SAY THIS IS REALISMY?? HELL, SINCE WHEN DOES A HUMAN BRAIN HAS IMPUT LAG? I think only POS user have a lag in their brain, thats why they realize always later when they got owned already.

[Gun_Senshi]

I wish to see you running and turning around super fast with 50 KG armor on and 20 KG Machine gun.

I wish to see you handling the recoil of a machine gun standing.

I wish to see you spray from hip to see if you actually hit.

[proArchy]

i really don't have problems getting kills. just play the game, you'll get used to it because its NOT broken. It works just fine.

[Silverwolf]

But I have to admit the controls do have some issues on both single and multi player. Other than that, the game is great. And by far one of the best looking games I've played.

I believe a patch can fix this and I believe guerilla games is going to do exactly that.

[Lucreto]

I hope is would just a different control setting and not ruin the game to change it to other FPS systems.

[Ju]

If they make it "CoD4" like, I am outa here. I want KZ2 and nothing else. Go fack that mainstream. If I wanted that, I'd be playing CoD4.

[orange-skittle]

THESE F-CKIN' PS3 FANBOYS JUST HATE TO ADMIT THAT THE CONTROLS SUCK. I SEE MORE GRENADE THROWS THAN ACTUAL GUN KILLS. I PLAYED FOR 4HRS AND I COULDNT TAKE IT. WHAT'S WITH THE EPILEPTIC VISUALS ON THE MENUS

[Pennywise]

D D D DUR DURE DUR DIGDIGY CAPSLOCKDURDURDEDUMDUMDURRRR.

^What I saw when I read your post.

[DJ]

Gran Turismo brought on similar complaints when it was released because it realistically represented the way that cars drive on the road. Killzone 2 does the same thing, but with regards to how soldiers who are wearing gear and holding weapons actually move.

If you doubt this concept, go to a shooting range. This alone will clue you in as to how much strength is required to just hold a rifle. Twitch shooters like Halo, Resistance, and Call of Duty just feel outright weird after playing Killzone 2 for a few days. Guerilla made a bold design decision to effectively simulate war, and I applaud them for it.

[AstroZombie1]

Seriously the amount of hate i've seen on these boards, US ones, N4G and any gaming news site is damn right annoying people need to break out of the "Call of duty" mentaillity and learn that not every damn game does not have to be like cod4 or 5 in order to be perfect varity is a great thing and should not be stamped out because of whiney little 12 year olds.

If you are finding it difficult to master the controls simply play more that is all you need to get used to it moaning here will not help you get better it requires practice with the controls to do so.

[thor]

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[DJ]

There's absolutely no "control lag" in the game.

[thor]

Yeah the control lag was a demo-specific issue.

People who had other issues with the controls latched onto this and started calling the aiming "lag" when actually it's just different. In KZ2 your gun will arc round to a target and if you overshoot you need to pull it back the other way. Hence "weight". The way this is achieved is by accelerating the view as though when you push the analogue stick you're applying a force to the gun to swing it round. This means it moves slowly at first and then quicker and quicker as you push it. It's different from everything else - but it's not uncontrollable.

[OOG]

controls do need tweaking... since in most cases you are better off hip firing then you are to actually aim the gun....

And this input delay.../lag er too big of a deadzone has been an issue that was known in the beta... and the demo... and its still somewhat there in the game itself....

Perfect example of the delay is watching people fight eachother from 5 feet away trying to hit each other etc... people will constantly miss and overthrow eachother....

Anyway game is fun regardless but it doesn't mean the controls couldnt use a little tightening and accuracy.... but whatever if not people will just have to deal with it.... but dont act like these controls are close to being perfect....

[AstroZombie1]

Small controlled bursts..........

[DJ]

But people are still new at this game, so go figure.

[Kyur4ThePain]

...of intelligence.
But alas. Not everyone seems to have some.

[Ju]

Yeah, true. People run in a room to get shocked and start firing hysterically. True, you can see that a lot.

[AstroZombie1]

Also to add to my original post turning the sensitivity up HELPS alot.

[SpoonyRedMage]

I'm ashamed of these comments to be honest, I mean I get that fanboys of opposing consoles not liking each other but there's a lot of venom directed at other Killzone 2 fans and players. I say if a game is causing such arguments like this it's not worth it even if it is the greatest game ever.

DISCLAIMER: I do not own a PS3 and do not pretend to but this is my opinion after reading some comments(mostly on the front page).

On topic: may be they could do different rooms with different settings like "no weight" and "weight" so everyone can be happy?

EDIT: Why a disagree(I think I'm being stalked I always get one disagree) do you think that it's good that Killzone 2 fans are at each other's throats? because I don't.

[evrfighter]

What you wrote entirely reminded me of the cs community...

It's going to seriously be entertaining if the killzone community takes after the cs community.

[josephat84]

Look, I absolutely love the game. I rented it for the weekend and now I've decided to buy it. I have to agree that the controls take a little getting used to. ALT 2 is by far the best configuration. I have to admit though, I'm pretty good at COD4 and could get several kills in before I died, but I'll only get at most a couple of kills in before I die in Killzone 2. I don't necessarily hate that, but it's different. COD4 is honestly more responsive. Killzone 2's weightiness doesn't hurt the gameplay though. With a few more hours playing online I'm sure I'll be able to stay alive long enough to get more than a couple of kills at a time. What I LOVE about the multiplayer is the fact that the modes change within one game. It's AWESOME!! GENIUS! This means that you HAVE to work as a team. You could be the best FPS player ever, but if you don't work with your team, you can easily lose. Killzone 2 should be shipped with a headset because the game is FAR, FAR, FAR better playing with one as well as your other teammates. Seriously, I have my own clan and we always win because we communicate to each other. We actually create strategies and win every time because the other teams aren't playing together. If GG fixes the responsiveness (which I believe they will) this will be the BEST shooter of this generation in my opinion.

[HDgamer]

That so called "Lag" can be fixed with the sensitivity button. But personally I like it, feels like the weapons and the characters have weight.

[gnothe1]

i like KZ2, its just taking me a few games to get use to the controls. its not that bad but I definitly enjoy COD4 better, but many of you CLAIM its the best game ever. well.... 1 way to test that is time, can we come back in 6 months or a year an still have 250,000 plus people still playing EVERYDAY!! then we'll know for sure of the staying power of killzone!!

as far as the graphics goes, there's a little of a mixed bag for me,I have never seen lighting an particle work in a game better than KZ2 but.... the same problem that plagues a lot of PS3 games shows its ugly face in KZ2 also, what is it about the way the PS3 renders textures, some of the texture work in this game is horrendous, but overall I think the game looks really really good,but I do think it will be surpassed before this years is out!!

[josephat84]

No, the sensitivity button will not fix the shooting responsiveness. GG WILL come out with a patch though and then the game will be perfect.

[josephat84]

Which textures are bad? Actually, I think the texture work is some of the best I've seen in a game. I do think that Rico looks like crap though.

[Sitdown]

people still trying to justify the controls by saying that it is weight for realism. Haha...hold a five pound weight and then twist from right to left as quick past. There is no way that Sev holding a pistol should spin that slowly. In the mist of battle your adrenaline should be running...which naturally will give you a burst in movement. Do yourselves a favor.....look up clay pigeon shooting...and see how quick they move and fire off shots......now you telling me this ISA member can not be at least that fast?

Edit: Here is a video..and this is with a shotgun.
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Ju]

Well, somebody should cut that video. Because I see a lag of at least 100ms (my guess it's more, though) from when he fires until the target falls :) LOL.

[Sitdown]

that lag was because of the wind. Haha

[Breitsch_Nieden]

if that was real im running for american president in 4 years.
and i'm swiss...lol the way it looks he could throw a ball 100 meters with no effort what so ever.

[Bullseye]

say, what lag!? Dev's it's realism and it's there on purpose. I don't agree with either of those assertions.

[maverick1191]

its not hard to get headshots but yes there is lag its hard to see but in slow motion its so obvious buts it can be a pain you just have to get used to it

[Don_Frappucino]

just cos you cant shoot. The game controls are good. i dont have a problem with them

[bonesmccoy]

I haven't had a single problem with K2's controls or online play, but then I don't expect every single game to have the same feel or controller layout, so maybe I should excuse myself from this conversation. And yet something's there to be tweaked since Guerilla Games have announced that they're looking into refining the controls, after making it clear they didn't think they needed to.

[Enterprise-E]

How about you adapt to the controls? You know like we did with every game that came out sense the beginning of gaming. Me personally I think people are just Bi***ing for sucking in the game. So you miss that guy you was shooting at so what.

Call me a fanboy but i didn't see this outcry for fixing the game when Gears of War 2 shipped with its craptastic lag infested glitchville game.

[clintos59]

1. Online lag in almost every game.

2. U and your team are having a great game and the other team decides to leave and one of them sre the host, and wow, all that hard work and great game u played is completely erased.

3. High rank players who suck but use standbye button to get there rank up and secure a win while u cant do nothing about it but lag.

4. Alot of times u start off the round with no gun and u cant do anything but hide or be killed because of a reason that wasnt even your fault.

5. Alot of times u will get hit by a smoke gernade and all of sudden u are stuck and are having a hard time running or sometimes u cant even move at all.

Dont get me wrong gears 2 could easilly be my favorite game to play online but do to all the poblems it has online, it eally just makes u angry.

Not to mention there are also times where it takes forever to find a game.

Gears 2 is an awesome game but due to so many flaws online the game is very broken online and i hope they fix this problem soon. I bring this up because people bing the smallest reasons to downplay killzone 2 but yet forget that one of the best games on the 360 and pc has tons of more problems but we dont see articles of that.

Anyone who doesnt believe me add me, my gametag is clintos650

[Lich120]

Why is it that you guys say anything thats not complete favor of the game fanboyism? You have to realize that acting like that is the actual fanboyism right.

Needless to say, Im playing through the game atm and it is great. But it doesn't feel like other games. You guys can at least admit that right? And not just a certain fps, every fps. Resistance is much more responsive. Now, is this a feature or an issue? Well, personally I don't like it for multiplayer because lets be honest were not actually shooting a gun here. It would actually be a lot easier to kill someone with a gun in real life than in KZ2. However, for the single player where its not so cut throat it added a heaviness that is really quite original. You be the judge, but for me personally its keeping me from the multiplayer. Plus, in my opinion if you're going to make it feel so realistic make people take dmg realistically like CS:S, where guns have kick and are inaccurate while running like KZ.

If anyone takes the time to read this Ill probably get flamed, but know that I basically own a PS3 for this game and Uncharted.

[andron]

Sad truth is some people will actually believe there is "lag" in KZ" that everyone experiences even if it' isn't true.

I mean they saw it on the net so it must be true, right? Reminds me of the "islamic" propaganda doll from Mattel. People just believe what they want and even facts can't persuade them it isn't so...

[rcortesb]

no

[MrJack]

The game doesn't lag, i find it easy to pick people off whilst they wait for the non existing auto aim to kick in, racked up 5 long range headshots in a row earlier.

[Firstkn1ghT]

I understand if the flamethrower or rocket launcher had weight and added lag to your movement but not the pistol. The control is plain and simple non responsive.

[bassturd]

yeeep

I'm amazed at the delusional people that want to love the game so badly that they say the input lag doesn't exist. Bring it up and they flip out. I find it funny myself. EXAMPLE, post 13...seriously you are an idiot dood.

However the lame "weight" argument is bs. It isn't just movement that is sluggish...EVERYTHING is. Fire you gun, it has input lag. Hell, even the menus have input lag, wtf? When I die and have to hit X to respawn it takes a few seconds to register. So do the class selection screens and all that.

Killzone 2 doesn't reach perfection because of this stupid little thing that should be changed.

[Breitsch_Nieden]

maybe next time you play you should put on you're glasses. when you die there is a 10 sec countdown until you can respawn. I don't think that counts as delay...

[Hanilugtehul]

oh no not this again! ive been playing k2 for a week and there is no lag, if you have problems with the control go to options a fix em! STOP COMPLAINING! JUST BECAUSE YOU GOT TO HAVE SKILLS TO PLAY THIS MASTERPIECE DOSENT MAKE IT BAD!GIVE ME YOUR GAMERNAME ON PSN AND I WILL WIPE THE FLOOR WITH YOUR FACE IN K2!

[Daves]

I hated the inertia at first... to slow, to quick, damn, missed.

But you DO get used to it... and don't forget, we are ALL playing with the same controls.

PS.. there is NO LAG, just delusion.

F'n awesome game, even if I do get my ass handed to me by the kids.

OH and I bought KZ for my nephew (15), a COD4 fan, he kicks my ass.... but on KZ, he does not like he controls, but think the game is amazing. I told him I'd buy him a Sony headset if he played more... I'm kicking his ass now, because I have put the time in to get used to the inertia.

[blink3020]

I love the game but with the controls as they are right now, it's really good. With a more precise dead zone, the game would be AMAZING.

[pixelsword]

That's like confusing "arcade" and "simulation".

[ACEMANWISE]

I played this game online last night and I experienced no lag whatsoever. The controls are fine. If there is lag it must be from people looking for it. If they have the time to find something that small then they must be dedicated to finding flaws with Killzone 2.

I found Killzone 2 controls to be the most accurate in regards to accuracy. If someones in my crosshairs when I shoot, they actually die. Not like Metal Gear Online where I blow a clip into their head at 3 feet and they still live. Bottom line is I found Killzone 2's controls to be the best in both accuracy and responsiveness.

[XDF]

But DS3 controller really suck for shooters. I get better aiming with the N64 controller.

For the haters that say the d-pad for SF4 suck for x360, well left stick and triggers on the dualshock suck.

I like the game alot but the x360 is way better for FPS. Anyone that disagree is like saying the d-pad on the x360 is the best.

[Fatal Blow]

Is it just me or do u see when playing offline the game freeze for few secounds now and then in the story mode if it's just me can some one tell me if u guy's get the same thing thank's

[bassturd]

probably just when it is autosaving out loading new areas.

Freezes for just a sec or 2...one time it did it for a good 5 seconds for me tho. Nothing major IMO...just stutters a bit when it needs to save.

[Lord Vader]

Beauty to look at, but I dont care for the controls at all. By far the worst targeting I've ever seen in a AAA FPS.

Very disappointing. I keep playing thinking I'll adapt, but it just feels slow & unresponsive to me. Not to mention that the PS3 controller just isn't great for shooters anyway.

As Peekay said:

"what does weight and realism have to do with pressing a trigger and experiencing a delay to when the gun actually fires?"

[Fatal Blow]

"But DS3 controller really suck for shooters"

i have to say i agree with u there the 360 pad is made in mind of fps

and the ds3 are mind in mind for playing all game's not just fps

so i guess the ds3 win's all round

[LiquifiedArt]

My opinion...

This is OBVIOUSLY ( F. U. D. ) started by M$.
I played the demo 10x's on my 46in Sony XBR LCD with my dual shock and it plays flawlessly. I do notice teh difference in the 'Feel' of the game, but not anything like an 'input lag'.

Your all crazy.

[LiquifiedArt]

I just finished testing it for about 15mins and it is just how the game feels, their is nothing 'WRONG'. It is a DIFFERENT GAME, hence a different design. geez.

I think everyone has a problem when they found at KZ2 isn't a COD4 clone. You guys need to get off the COD bandwagon. Seriously. Its getting old and Its a different game with different dynamics. Move on!

IN ALL HONESTY:
This sounds more so like COD4 Fanatics getting their a$$'s handed to them, because their skills in COD don't carry over. Well GOOD! I'm Glad! New Game, New Skill Set. Rock on!

[Arcturus]

and the knife has the same weight as the guns, right....

[blink3020]

Stop saying the game is just realistic. Has anybody here ever fired a real gun? I've never shot at a person but I guarantee that from 10 feet away, I could shoot someone much easier than I could in KZ2. Don't get me wrong, I love the game but it's not living up to it's potential with the inexcusable dead zone.

[zoneofenders]

aim is not supposed to be easy in KZ2

that is why skillful player always aim faster than noobs, and can take noobs out no matter what distance. As long as it is 1 v 1 or even 1 v 2 the skillful player will win every single time! (well, unless the noob got a lucky head shot)

[CaitSith]

Get used to it, noobs.

[peeps]

It's just something that you gotta get used to. I personally love it cus i feel the more i put into the game, the more i get out. If i lose a firefight on killzone, chances are the other guy was better than me at that moment in time. But then lose a firfight on COD and it could be for any number of reasons, where alot of the time i'll feel like i didn't get killed because the other guy was better, but some other factor.

Bottom line. If you want a competitive game that your prepared to put alot of hours into, kz is your game. If you want pick up and play shooting then COD is you best bet...

[KingDragunov]

Personally, I didn't have any problems with the controls. It makes it more realistic.

[Bodidley]

Have been commenting on this in the forums since day one

[svoltmer]

I am not a whiner, but I have to say that the large dead spot in the joystick REALY ruins an otherwise great game. I am terribly disappointed in Guerrilla for not at least giving us the option to tighten the deadspot in the controls. People will notice that after prolonged use of this kind of “loose” or “dead spot” control that they will start having tendon problems in their hands due to the small repeated movements in their thumbs caused by the large “dead spot”. I know this from experience, talk to any doctor if you don’t believe me. Our hands were not made to do these fine movements over and over for hours on end as subjected to in a typical gaming session.

Besides, Guerrilla should give the customer what they want even if it goes against what Guerrilla, as a creative entity, thinks the game should “feel like”. After all, ultimately it is the consumer who pays the bill and should get the best possible experience for his or her hard earned dollars. ;)

[Naucious]

I couldnt agree with you more in that statement, thats why I hit u with an agree, I will say that this could be the gripe between people crossing over to a different style of gameplay and thats where my comment again comes into play that this is not COD, so dont expecting it to be so. I dont want GG too change a thing, but looking at it from a business since, you gotta give the people what they want in order to sell, especially in the state that where in, in this economy.

PLaying all weekend with this game theres only two complaints....
1. The hit response needs to be tightened, sometimes the bullet doesnt register when i hit them when I aim and shoot until like a split second later
2. The damage needs to be increased for all weapons it sometimes takes like half a clip to take someone down unless you get a headshot, but the shot gun is fine actually perfect in my opinion, I dont know what the guy is talking about in this article, let me see him still stand from take n a shot from a gauge mid range 2 times..

[m-s-8-2]

The guns dont have "realistic" weight to them. Spin around holding an assault rifle, then switch to the pistol and then to the knife. There is no difference in turning speed, even if you only move the stick half way.

I do find the arguing funny though, especially the claims of it adding realism. Yet, Sev can duck behind storage crate for 5 seconds, and suddenly he is no longer affected by the 3 gunshot wounds he just took.

I know the controls are garbage, I've come to accept that and play the game in spite of it.

[Groo]

The controls are perfect, practice people.

[_Q_]

With almost every server I see either full or nearly full.

[PsYcHoToE1]

Are you f-ing serious, PS3 gamers against PS3 gamers? I can't believe the denial all of you are going through, there is a problem when aiming in KZ2 and it has nothing to do with the weight of the character. You feel the weight when you run when you turn and that is understandable but when you have the iron sites up, there should be no delay what so ever especially if you are crouching.

You need to be honest so that the devs can do something about it instead of adapting to it just cause it’s a PS3.

and before you jump the gun I’m not a fan boy cause I own both.

[xg-ei8ht]

Ok.

I've a question for everyone. It's abit of a shocker. so here goes.

I have never played COD4 on a Console. Or any other FPS.

Which means my FPS Outing is KILLZONE2.

How much different, better/worse for some. Is the Aim in COD4.

But it's true what people are saying. From distance use sight. Closer shoot from the hip.

I love the game. But i'm still having alil trouble with controls.

I over aim.

[JaPo]

The aiming is incredibly easy in COD4, with little to no sway and a perfectly oiled turning mechanic. If you see someone on COD4, you shoot them. Whereas on KZ2, you must weigh up whether you'll be able to turn quickly enough to catch them. I don't know about accuracy but turning is certainly a lot easier in reality. For this reason, COD4 is more easily enjoyable than KZ2.

It's more gratifying. Sniping's a hell of a lot better, too. + Enough of this elitist tomfoolery. COD4's a good game BECAUSE it's so easy to pick up and play for everyone. It's plain fun. Not everyone will experience the same with KZ2, so it won't have the same legs.

I got the game in question today and it's pretty good. Story hardly demands that I keep playing and the multiplayer didn't seem as clean as COD4, but they're both of a decent standard. Graphics, of course, are superb.

[Josh11]

If you don't like it, don't F***ing play it! If you want another COD4 then just go play COD4, whilest waiting for MW2 (which I can't wait for)! Its NOT Cod4,its better than that.

Theres plenty of us that like the controls and realistic feel, we don't need moaners in our games, so DONT PLAY IT.

And I'm almost top rank with at least 15 hours of online play and around 300 more kills than deaths. Oh and a beta tester.

PS: Unless its my browser this guys an idiot, grey background with black text!? Didn't read half of it. (Google Chrome)
Bloody simple, fanboys just won't shut up and play!

[Morgue]

Oh wait it's MAG.

Anyway bad joke just like all these complaints about the controls and the controls in the first one were bad too so who cares. I'm playing it on Veteran with no cross hairs, adjusted the turn axis and I see no problem. LIke someone said a few days ago, if you don't like it then trade it in and go back to playing COD or Gears.

[creatchee]

There's definitely lag in the game, but I don't notice it as they are describing it. When I experience lag, it's more along the lines of client-side or server-side, not really anything having to do with the controller.

And before anyone thinks I'm putting the game down - I'm not. But anybody who has played with 32 people knows that when it gets crowded in a certain area, you can shoot people enough to kill them, die yourself, and then have the other player die (with you getting credit) 1-3 seconds later - especially if a grenade is involved. It's an issue with a lot of games though, not just Killzone 2.

It's naive to think that online games don't lag - but at least blame the right reason if you're going to call it out.

[bviperz]

All it had in it was, "WAH!"

[Wiiz_KiiD]

I mean, i've had a gun in real life, and i've shot it before. I found it, so don't ask lol. I shot it at a chair, and to be honest, the impulse you receive from ur brain to ur finger to tell you to "Press the trigger" is a little late, as with anybody. I believe Guerilla did this to add realism to the game, because it makes sense. Nobody's reaction is immediate, there's always a delay. I don't really care though, i'm still coming out in the Top 5 in every game so far, so no biggie to me.