Scout Update Has Ruined Team Fortress 2

GameStooge is angry at Valve for the Scout Update, which they claim has ruined Team Fortress 2.

Excerpt: "Valve has been pretty good about Team Fortress 2 updates, with the Medic, Heavy and Pyro, with sensible upgrades that kept the game in balance. Unfortunately, with the Scout update, they've - to put this diplomatically - shit the bed in a big way. This is coming from someone who normally plays the Scout."

[Zeus Lee]

Sounds like Valve have overpowered another Class.

Oh well,I'm still playing the console versions;so I don't have to worry about an update from Valve.

[JonahFalcon]

Not yet. The Xbox 360 will be getting them soon.

And the other classes are not overpowered.

[solidsnakus]

how do you know 360 is getting the update, i havent heard anything. link?

[caladbolg777]

BONK!

[jadenkorri]

this is not a concern for ps3 users, but im sure ps3 users would be grateful for an update...oh well, valve has basically given 20 million + ps3 users the big middle finger...Someone with good business sense would not bad mouth a console, i don't recall someone saying they wouldn't program any other console, what makes the ps3 any different...

[EvilCackle]

Valve has said numerous times they're working on a large update that will include several of the class updates at once.

[Erdrick]

the ps3 is getting no love from valve because the hardware is so radically different from all other platforms that it isn't really worth their time/ money/ effort to learn how to program on it. maybe after we see a multi-core update to tf2 they'll reconsider? but i can imagine it would suck trying to leave a platform you've mastered...

[kwicksandz]

people say this every update.

Once the acheivement farmers have got their goodies the game will go back to its usual awesome, and you will find less 22/24 scout teams ^^

[jadenkorri]

the only devs who refuse to program for the ps3 is valve, all other devs are programming for it, why shouldn't valve, its laziness if you ask me, other devs have praised the ps3, and others have said its different or harder compared to the 360... Valve is not a small company anymore considering the series they have released, and the way pc gaming has gone lately, console gaming is the way to go to make money.

[Zeus Lee]

Actually,there is another class that is overpowered:The Medic class.Too fast+Needles are absolutely too powerful.

A few other problems with TF2:
-Radius of the Pyro flame is too great.
-Inconsistency with the rolling of Grenades from the Demoman class.
-'Sap' time for a Sentry is too slow.

There's a few more but I honestly don't have the time to list them,gg.

[Ghoul]

playing tf2 on 360 is like attending daytona with an old chevy

[thereapersson]

LOL

[kwicksandz]

i wonder what that would make the ps3 version like.

Horse drawn cart?

[Snoozer282]

This happens every time they release an update. Everyone plays the class for achievements rather than playing the game as a team. The unlock updates have ruined the game.

[Ghoul]

not really

the problem is they work on each class after the other instead of making all updates and releasea acompletet pack.

this way everytime a class update comes your on a map with 20 heavys or now 20-30 scouts. and thats awefull couse every updte ruines the game for 4 weeks

[rawrockkillz]

I think it is perfectly fine. People just need to learn to play.

[JonahFalcon]

I think you should read the article. "This is coming from someone who normally plays the Scout."

Read why the update is sh***y - it changes the role of the Scout too much, for one.

[Proxy]

There are a lot of things that discredit this article.

"Their entire purpose is evasion, not combat."

O RLY? If your not engaging in combat as a scout, then what are you doing?

"They were never meant as an offensive weapon."

Why did Valve put them in the offense section?

"TF2 is unplayable."

Oh please. TF2 is silky smooth and error free. That not what I would call "unplayable."

[Proxy]

The scout is more supporting now, as it can BONK! people and otherwise be more annoying. It's job was to be quick and annoying to begin with. To distract and take pot shots. How has that changed?

Consider the other updates?

Heavy - The natasha makes the heavy into a excellent support class. Spraying the entire crowed to slow everyone down 25% is a great help to your team.

Pyro - Backburner greatly rewards stealthy pyros who can get behind the enemy.

Medic - Ever seen the 2 medic w/ uber saws combo. One medic ubers, the other goes crazy with the uber saw, charges his own uber. Then the switch roles and effectively have a never ending uber chain. I've seen two medics raid our camp and deploy 3 or more consecutive ubers.

So looking at those three things. Can you really tell me that "None of the other updates changed the role of the class."

Heavy is a support.
Pyro is a stealth.
Medic is a deep offense.

Sounds like a change to me.

[dawnoflife3]

i nvr even bothered playing scout yet..
i jus become an engineer...
get a sentry up...
and u kno the rest =D

[r4nger]

need a despenser here!

[KyonoRocks]

Yeah this post is just a bit of QQ about nothing. The updates are perfect side-grades (except the BONK drink.. I see no use for the pistol). The only reason it sucks right now is because everyone's doing the achievements

[JHUX]

Yeah I haven't even attempted to get on and play yet, mainly due to the fact I know everyone is trying to get the achievements, I would rather wait for it to calm down and go back to normal.

[JonahFalcon]

The problem is that it's no longer going to be normal - unless you find servers that re-gimp the Scout.

In fact, there's already calls for "vanilla" server options.

[Xi]

the scout was heavily under utilized for it's purpose. Before the update you might see 1 scout on a server, why? because they didn't do anything, the fact they would have to stay still to cap a point is proof enough. Spys were better at picking up intel, and pyro's were better at capturing a point (compression blast people off). Scouts are still completely avoidance based, the sandman is to get past someone/stop a rush, the force can help clear a point and bonk energy drink lets the scout get past annoying turrets.

the only people that think the update is overpowered is people who specialize in the counter class of scouts.

before - scouts were annoying mosquito's.
After - they finally fill the role they were designed for. (mainly objectives)

the editor needs to wait for the rest of the people to get their achievements. It takes a while to run 25K, and people aren't bored of the sandman yet.

[JonahFalcon]

Under utilized? There was always 2 scouts (with me being one of them) in every game I've ever played.

[Weed]

I see scouts all the time and only play scout myself, they are essential for any team. Scouts push and flank and they a damn good at it in the right hands. They cap twice as fast as any class, no class can cap like a scout. Ever been back capped by scouts for the loss while you were pushing for your next CP?

[Bigrhyno]

I unlocked all 3 earlier this week, and found that the only thing I use is the energy drink. The bat is okay, but I isn't worth the loss of a double jump in my opinion. The new shotgun is also okay, but one missed shot can really screw you over since you only have 2 bullets and a longer reload time.

[Weed]

I didn't like the scout update, It did nothing for scout if you play competitively.

Bonk was kinda cool though. The scatter replace made me cry, 2 fcking shots?!

[Altered_Soul]

The flood of Scout players is predictable, and will subside.

The only problem I have, since I haven't tried for the unlocks for my own use, is the significant game-changer that is the Sandman. Being able to stop an uber in its tracks seems odd. Essentially, in the game right now, the Sandman is the Scout's Backburner, and I expect it to be nerfed. I would love if they changed the stun into a "flashbang" effect, but I doubt we will see that much of a drastic change. The pull to 3rd person when stunned is disorienting.