Microsoft: Not Sacrificing Original IP's

Microsoft has no intention of sacrificing its "focus on exciting IP" and will continue to invest in innovation in order to emerge from any ongoing recession in a "healthy" state.

[Sasanova]

did i just read innovation?

[GWAVE]

Yup. I had a bit of a laugh, too.

Kinda hard to innovate and "focus on exciting IPs" when your dev teams are dropping like flies.

[kevoncox]

MS has done more for innovation in consoles than sony ever has.
I don't get it. Why are you guys so critical of MS. All they want to do is take your money and give you good games to play in exchange. Why hate them so much?

BTW R&C 17 was just announced.

[ultimolu]

...I got lightheaded reading that. o_o

And kevonkox...are you bloody serious?

So what the hell did Sony do, sit on their hands for two generations going on three?

And I wonder why people are so damn critical of Sony as well? Don't you wonder the same thing?

[GWAVE]

kevincox, you are ignorant if you believe "innovation" and "Microsoft" belong in the same sentence. Keep in mind that 95% of the games that Microsoft has supposedly given unto us lowly gamers were from 3rd parties or 1st parties that were purchased by Microsoft. Very few of the games on the Xbox and Xbox 360 came from Microsoft's brilliant think tank of innovation.

To Microsoft, the word "innovation" means "buy something that's already innovative".

[Hal Emmerich]

MS do innovate just look at Lips, NXE, You're in the movies and Kodu.

Oh wait...

[King-Nax]

The only thing MS has done that is innovative is Xbox Live IMO.

Microsoft is a company that heavily relies on past Playstation brand association to succeed in the business and where it almost becomes that they dont really have their own identity.

What is so innovative about that?

One more question.....

Who has created more original IPs? Sony or MS?

The person who answers correctly gets a cookie.

[StayHigh]

yup only xboxlive but thats it..what games?? i dont see any new ips this year made by their studio.lol..

[Foxgod]

New exclusives for 360.
Race pro
Ninja blade
Venetica
huxley
alan wake
velvet assassin
dungeon hero
saboteur
section8
apb
dead island
white gold
Persecutors
Warhound

Now i have no idea how many of these games will score higher then 9 out of 10
I do know that your statement of the 360 not having any new ip;s, is a load of butt crock.

Now how many new ips does sony have coming.
Because killzone 2 and uncharted 2 are both sequels.
And dont even mention PSN games, cause i didnt mention those for the 360 myself either.

[Harry190]

but since when has Saboteur ever been a new IP?

You just listed 3rd party IPs which are not being developed on the PS3 due to lack of resources.

Do you want me to list all the new IPs developed by EA, Activision and the rest here that will be available on PS3 too?

No? Well, point made.

Talk first party or 2nd and don't give false info.

[GWAVE]

@ Foxgod

Let's take a look at your list:

Race pro - a racing game? Oooh, innovative. Published by Atari, so exclusivity is not guaranteed.
Ninja blade - a Ninja Gaiden clone? Oooh, innovative!
Venetica - 3rd-person RPG? Ohh, innovative!
huxley - an online FPS with an unannounced release date?
alan wake - Release date when?
velvet assassin - Release date when? Exclusive says who?
dungeon hero - ???
saboteur - published by EA...hah. You think this is exclusive?
section8 - Exclusive says who?
apb - ???
dead island - PS3 version already announced
white gold - ???

As you can see, Foxgod, your list falls apart quite easily. Valiant attempt, though.

[king dong]

where did all of sonys studios come from? did they buy existing studios making them first paty? or did they put job adds in local and national papers around the world advertising for people in order to create studios??

get a clue ey!

a question for you, how many studios did sony own when they launched the ps1? and how many when they launched the ps2?

[Foxgod]

Those games are all xbox exclusive, because no other platform besides the 360 has been announced, so until its announced for the ps3, you have no ground to hold, whether it be EA, Sony or whoever else will be publishing it.

And second, where not talking about AAA games here, where talking exclusives, Innovative product usually means a new series, not something entirely new as in a new genre (that happens how often ?), and if that do is the case to you, then Sony got nothing either.

[ActionBastard]

Ok. Let's take your list and clean it up a bit...

Race pro
Ninja blade
Venetica
huxley - on PC
alan wake - on PC
velvet assassin - on PC
dungeon hero - on PC and PS3
saboteur - on PC and PS3
section8 - on PC and PS3
apb - on PC
dead island - on PC
white gold - on PC

EDIT: Ah, but it does matter. That means you don't need a 360 to play them. And since they'll probably also be GFW titles, you can use a 360 controller to play them.

Side note: Section8 wasn't officially canceled, it just won't appear this year. The info was next to my rock I crawled from under.

[Foxgod]

It does not matter if its on PC, we are talking consoles here, besides, i have a pc powerful enough to play them, but i prever to play them on my 360, better controls.

And the section8 ps3 version has been dropped.
If you wouldnt be living under a rock you would know that.

[GWAVE]

@ King Dong

Your comment is true. The PS1 only had a few 1st-party and 2nd-party exclusives to call its own. However, it had a TON of 3rd-party exclusives.

Your comparison doesn't match up for two reasons. First, the Xbox 360 isn't Microsoft's PS1. It's not their first console nor is it their first foray into the gaming world. The 360 is Microsoft's PS2, or even PS3 or PS4 if you count the many years of PC gaming Microsoft has been involved in. Second, the 360 does not have a ton of 3rd-party exclusives coming up. They don't. It may be hard for some fanboys to accept, but Microsoft's exclusive list is looking quite slim.

[Sarcasm]

"will continue to invest in innovation in order to emerge from any ongoing recession in a "healthy" state."

OOooOohh niceee!

That means we get exclusive RE5 DLC!
Exclusive Bioshock 2 DLC!
Exclusive FFXIII DLC!

And maybe they'll finally strike a deal to get MGS4 on the 360!

That's what they mean by investing in innovation. Since they hardly have any studios left.

[king dong]

the ps1 and ps2 had a ton of 3rd party exclu because it had little or no competition.

neither sony or ms have a ton of 3rd party exclu because the competition is healthy this time. microsoft have tried to make the 360 and pc mutually beneficial. i.e: plenty of games exclu to both systems and not sonys, yet all the fanboys like you condemn them for it and say "it's not exclusive"(said in squeaky teenage voice).

but whats the point of trying to explain on here? n4g fanboys only see what they want to see!

edit: all the pathetic fanboys disagreeing with my first comment. did sony make all these first party studios out of thin air?? did they?

YOU LOT ARE PATHETIC!

[NickIni]

Aww. So cute. When backed into a corner, the "your all pathetic" card is played. Now that IS innovation.

[Sitdown]

making hard drives standard was innovative for consoles.....sort of thought the guide button was innovative...in game music seems a little innovative....not sure who started it, but turning my console off from the controller was pretty innovative...lights on the unit and controller seemed pretty innovative to let you know what player you are.

@Stayhigh
"i dont see any new ips this year made by their studio.lol.."

Now I could be the only one...but personally, I could care less if a title is 1st, 2nd, or 3rd party...as long as it quality. I do believe that part of Dreamcast's downfal was lack of third party support. As somebody mentioned, what is these overwhelming original ips coming the ps3s way?

@JokesOnYou
I agree completely....but change "mute" to "moot" to give fanboys less stuff to complain about on a well written article.

[JokesOnYou]

First owning MORE studio's does not equal MORE games for said company and furthermore it sure as hell doesn't equal better quality games since many 3rd party studio's are just as talented or argueably more talented than some 1st party studios.

Second Micro already stated back when they let Bungie go independent that their strategy was one of focusing less on "owning" studio's and more so on looking for talent and bringing great IP's to their platform, so its a difference in philosophy; The con's of ownership involves maintain a large overhead budget neccessary to support many dev studios continous work and of course salaries, obviously the pro's of course is that they only make games for your platform; The pro's of micro strategy is obviously with less studio's you reduce overhead cost's drastically, money which you can then use to buy only those specific games/new IP's you want from devs, those savings also lead to more funds for advertising, dlc etc. Now sure "gamers" on n4g can all discuss which is a better strategy but only time will tell if it which was more fruitful.

3rd WHY would I as a gamer care HOW a particular exclusive ended up on my console, I happen to own both but for the guy who only has one, does it really matter if a game he loves is 1st or 3rd party as long as he gets to enjoy it on his console? Basicly its a mute point as long as micro continues to "buy" great games and "pay" for innovation wherever they find it, why should I care. Just keep delivering and the 360 owners will do fine.

4th There have been and there are plenty of variety of games coming to 360, what games with release dates are available for ps3 in 2009? 360 gamers have plenty games coming this year and I'm sure they'll be some surprises, they both have some good things ahead, this just sounds like sony loyalists beating their chests with wild claims and predictions as usual.

JOY

[king dong]

please enlighten me. if i'm backed into a corner, and my argument was flawed, can you show me where i went wrong?

many thanks.

[Argento-Nox]

@Foxgod

I don't see a single title in your list that's considerably innovative. You ask for Sony new IP's, yet your list doesn't have any new MS IP's of note other that Alan Wake.

Sony's got:

1. WKC (Level 5, Sony IP)
2. Quantum Theory (Tecmo)
3. EYEpet (innovative looking Sony title)
4. EYEdentity (another innovative looking Sony title)
5. Demon Soul (From Software)
6. Uncharted waters (Koei)
7. War Devil's (Sony)
8. Afika (Innovative Sony title)
9. Free Realm (SOE)
10. The Agency (SOE - innovative concept IMO)
11. MAG (Sony - 256 players online seems pretty epic/innovative)
12. Infamous (Sucker punch, Sony IP - still more innovative than what you mentioned)
13. Heavy Rain (Innovative Sony title)
14. DC Universe
15. Team Ico project (Sony - this being from the guys who did Ico and Shadow of the Colossus guarantees this will be innovative in some way)

Did you notice that 11 of those 15 are Sony IP's? Where are the MS titles to match that number? Considering MS only has 3-5 studios, any innovative title will probably be 3rd party or multi-platform.

If your looking at exclusive sequels, there's:

16. Yakuza 3 (Sega)
17. GoW III (Sony)
18. Killzone 2 (Sony)
19. Rachet and Clank (Sony)
20. Uncharted 2 (Sony)
21. GT5 (Sony)
22. Socom confrontation (Sony)
23. MGS4 (Konami)
24. Untold Legends (Sony)
25. Formula One Racing (Sony's forgotten racing game)
26. Genji (Sony)
27. Sing star Abba edition (Sony)
28. MLB The Show 07 (Sony)
29. MLB The Show 08 (guess it's obvious 09 is coming)
30. NBA 07 (Sony)
31. NBA 08 (Sony)
32. NBA '09 The Inside (Sony)
etc.

Look at the new Sony IP's introduced this gen already or will soon:
1) War Hawk
2) Heavenly Sword
3) Resistance
4) WKC
5) Infamous
6) Uncharted
7) Heavy Rain
8) The Agency
9) War Devils
10) MAG
11) Afrika
12) EYEpet
13) EYEdentity
14) Team Ico project
15) Free Realm
16) Folklore
17) Little Big Planet
18) Motorstorm
19) Lair (yes I know it sucks, but it is a new Sony IP)
20) Eye of Judgement

Did you notice 20 new Sony IP's?
How much new MS IP's are ones made by MS owned studios?

Console exclusives don't mean much to me if it can be played on PC, either. There's no more exclusivty on Dead Rising, Bioshock, and I'd really doubt SO4 and ME2 will both stay 360 exclusives either. If not for 3rd party exclusives, 360 wouldn't have enough from their own measly studios to match all of Sony's studios.

[JokesOnYou]

In my defense I would like to say that I typed that in like 2 min at work in between taking customers...ssshhh dont tell my boss.

Now on topic, I would like to add that micro has in fact been innovative within the gaming industry whether folks on n4g want to recognize it or not. Micro really brought the focus of online gaming to consoles, I don't think gaming would be where it is now without micro, am I saying they deserve all the credit, NO but I doubt sony would be trying to push psn further without micro having such a strong service they have with Live. Also, whats wrong with "buying" talent to get dev's to make a exclusive new IP or "paying" them to make a once exclusive franchise multiplatform vs. buying the studio and making them first party?...is it so much different? Basicly its just a difference in concept, do you want to save money up front and shop around for quality stuff or do you want to pay up front but have a large pool of talent you already invested in. Me I don't care how they do it, I just play the damm games.

JOY

[ThanatosDMC]

HAHAHAHAH...

"we're talking about console exclusivity here" <--- HHAHAHHAHAH...

HAHHAAHHAH... HA!

[omodis420]

That would be correct. It's about time. I guess that means more new IP's using the Unreal Engine.

[MURKERR]

you closed one of your last studios (esemble) as soon as halo wars was completed, how can you make new IP's without game studios? im not sure whos left other than 'rare'

[TheHater]

third party studios perhaps?

[ActionBastard]

Turn 10 and Lionhead are left along with Rare. I hope their pockets as as deep they were in 06 because it's going to get harder and more expensive to convince a 3rd party to go exclusive.

[solidt12]

What will Microsoft do when third parties will no longer make exclusives for them because that day will come. There is starting to bee too much money to make for them to go exclusive. Or MS will have to pay alot more which is not smart.

[StayHigh]

you mean paying some third parties for DLC for xbox360 ..lol..yeah like anyone going to wait a half a year or more for it..

[Danja]

A Fat Check >>> buy an occasionally PS exclusive >> equals innovation

Check >>> DLC >> Innovation , thats what they really meant

[NegativeCreepWA]

You spend enough time on this site to know MS is splitting esemble into two companies.

[ps3sux]

the way sony's pockets turned third party devs into their first part devs....thought so. ps3 fanboys on this site are pathetic. ps1, and ps2 had sh1t for first party "exclusives" again i ask isnt this microsofts second console??? thought so. why dont you guys do something other than spamming n4g with your BS and false rhetoric.

same ones everyday too.

ultimolu
eagle21
action bastard
morgan fell
pirate thom
nathan drake
opomus 420
and the rest will be here soon im sure of it. the ones i listed that arent yet are prolly logging on now.

go concentrate more on sony at the moment, incase you havent heard ps3 isnt doing so well this gen.

[Roper316]

LOL @ MS innovating!!!! Is that what you call wasting millions on DLC for multiplat games instead of building a stable of 1st party devs that might actually be able to innovate?

[AngryHippo]

....PS3 fans care more about what Microsoft says than 360 supporters do. Microsofts supposed 'lack of' exclusives seems to really bother some people but not really 360 owners. Quite funny that.

[GWAVE]

I'm a 360 owner and I'm quite bothered by the lack of exclusives, not to mention the lack of 1st-party support.

Oh, but why should I bother? It's so easy for people to write off ANY anti-Microsoft sentiment as some "stupid Sony fanboy rant" instead of thinking critically and coming up with your own conclusion.

[eagle21]

Why would it? :)

[ActionBastard]

I own a 360 and am concerned. What exclusives are there to look forward to? Really?

[Foxgod]

@action bastard.

I am personally looking forward to the following:
Venetica
huxley
alan wake
section8
dead island
white gold
Persecutors
Forza3
Splinter cell conviction
Halo wars
Halo odst
warhound
blue dragon 2
cletus clay
star ocean 4

Maybe some of those titles are fun for you too, look them up.

[AngryHippo]

....right you own a 360 and a PS3, and so do I. You on the other hand judging by your comment history have a preference to the PS3. That is fine, I fully understand people having favourite systems and whatever. So tell me again, 'I'm a 360 owner and I'm quite bothered by the lack of exclusives, not to mention the lack of 1st-party support.' Why are you bothered again? Since your preference is with the PS3 doesn't that allow you more time on it? Does the so called lack of exclusives for the 360 not allow for more money to be spent on your preferred system?! I still do not understand your point exactly.

@ ActionBastard ....'I own a 360 and am concerned. What exclusives are there to look forward to? Really?' Do you not think it would be a good idea to wait until GDC and E3 and then getting worried about Microsofts so called lack of exclusives?! We are 2 months into the year?!

Its all well and good saying Microsoft has no exclusives, but how the hell does anyone know that? Does anyone here work for them?! Didn't think so, we are two months into the year with all the major game conventions coming up and people for some reason are jumping to the conclusion that Microsoft have nothing planned. When will people learn not to jump to conclusions and just be patient and wait for official announcements at official events.

[NickIni]

"Why are you bothered again? Since your preference is with the PS3 doesn't that allow you more time on it? Does the so called lack of exclusives for the 360 not allow for more money to be spent on your preferred system?! I still do not understand your point exactly."

Riiight. So because he favours a particular system, he's not allowed to hope/look/purchase exclusives/games for another console? What's the point in even having multiple consoles, because your not 'allowed' to buy games for more than one.

[ps3sux]

AMEN and bubbles dude. sony fans scream that they have better games, but when the hell do they play them....i see the same ones day in day out on here, and on every microsoft article. good post hippo. to the omodis420 idiot you shouldnt be allowed to contribute anymore, because the only things you contribute are flamebait nonsense anyways, since you know ya sony fanclub will be all over it.

peace

[ActionBastard]

@ Hippo
You say that like GDC and E3 last year were mind blowing for Microsoft. Multiplatform games, a sprinkling of 1st party exclusives and even larger casual push, that sums up both GDC AND E3. What am I looking forward to? Nothing! That's the point of my comments. Hell, I can list Wii games I'M looking forward to, but you're right. It's only 2 months into the year and I should wait for them to announce games I can play on PS3 or PC too.

[DelbertGrady]

Judging by your comment history you don't even know the name of your gamertag, which is very odd for a 360 owner.

This thread is really amusing. Completely owned.

http://www.n4g.com/NewsCom-...

[Jerk120]

Microsoft - Best of this gen.

Sony - Worst of this gen, will die next gen.

Do you want a Ps3 or a 360?

I say, get a 360.

It's MUCH better.

More games, better games, more variety, better variety, cheap, better cheap and you get LIVE which is much better than PSN.

[PotNoodle]

Since we seem to be giving our opinions on what system people should get then i think i'll offer my unbiased opinion and say, get a PS3.

XBL: Death roW247
PSN: DeathroW22

Sure, live is amazing - but not enough for me.

[ultimolu]

And that's *YOUR* biased opinion.

If the person wants both, they can get both and have the best of both consoles. If they want one, they can decide that as well.

[Jerk120]

Did it ever occur to you that maybe, just maybe, my opinion isn't biased?

NO, THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE, RIGHT??

[rucky]

Sorry Sleipnir I just can't understand you. Can you try again without MS' d!ck in your mouth please. Thanks a bunch and have a great day.

[ultimolu]

It *was* biased. If you didn't mean it as biased, you should have said 'IN MY OWN OPINION'.

Yeah, Sony will die next generation? Who the f*ck died and made you the decider of whether Sony lives and dies as a company?

How about they both f*cking live, we play games, and we stop this sh*t all together?

[PotNoodle]

I was being sarcastic in the unbiased part ;)

[Magic_The_Celt]

I own both

therefor i own you :)

[Foxgod]

great, bring in the perfect dark, kameo, battletoads, conker, jade empire, killer instinct, dead or alive, ninja gaiden and more.

[ActionBastard]

It's obvious you have no idea what IPs they own. Ninja Gaiden? Jade Empire? Dead or Alive? I wish I could add an audio comment with my laughter at you.

EDIT: Good job counting!

[Foxgod]

They may not own it, but they are exclusive so far, and i want more from these titles.

Oh, and good job at laughing at 2 examples out of the 8 i mentioned, you must have a boring life if your own misinterpretation cracks you up so much.

[killzone2flop]

Well i would rather have just 1 and thats Xbox360 you can go and shove that ps3 up your ass because i've had enough of you droids you lot run this site and bubble your selves up and take xbox360 fans bubbles away.

Also shove KillZone 2 and Uncharted 2 up your ass because just wait and see what games are coming out for Xbox360 and they won't be sh*t like your ps3 games why don't you all droids go and play in HOME with all your Pedophile friends yeah F*ck U all Droids.

[PotNoodle]

I'll buy you a PS3 if you want one that much..

[Harry190]

What you just said there is quite ironic my dear PP...yes, quite ironic. You seem to forget your younger days, when you and your cronies invented that bubble feedback system.

[Darkseider]

Please don't forget M.A.G., Heavy Rain, InFamous, God of War 3, Gran Turismo 5, Quantum Theory, FF XIII Versus, White Knight Chronicles, R&C, The Agency, Free Realms, DC Universe Online and the other exclusives that slipped my mind. Wouldn't want Killzone 2 and Uncharted 2 to get lonely and all. ;) Sorry what was that couldn't hear you because you seem to have your foot in you mouth. Now please try again. kthxbye

P.S. As to the PS Home pedophile comment last I checked XBL was pedo heaven with arrests made.

[chrislinc79]

do not be jealous of to great games to be .just because nobody talking about microsaft lineup

[Stryfeno2]

I have all 3 consoles and the 360 is the best purchase. I can't wait to see what MS have up their sleeve during E3.

[ultimolu]

Are you getting Mad World for the Wii? I'm leaning towards a Wii for just that game. It looks ridiculous so far.

[Stryfeno2]

Maybe...But do not buy the Wii just for one game. You will regret it. Wait for E3 and see if anything else will interest you.

[ultimolu]

...That's no good then. :/

I'll wait and see if they announce some rpgs.

[Darkseider]

Microsoft Innovates, that there is funny! Kinda like Microsoft Works. In any case Microsoft couldn't innovate their way out of a paper bag. Windows is nothing but a "me too" OS and tries to copy the success of other operating systems. Windows Vista was an OS X wannabe that failed miserably. Look at Windows 7 and how it strongly resembles the KDE 4 desktop that millions of Linux users run. The last time Microsoft tried innovating was Microsoft BOB and that was canned in a hurry. MS functions on the "Three E" mantra and always will. Embrace, Extend, Extinguish. Take a look at Sugar CRM, bastardized BSD IP stack, bastardized implementation of Kerberos and LDAP. I can go on but they take industry standard protocols and bastardize them. Buy companies and extinguish their products in favor of their own, etc...

Microsoft has been a bane to technology for years and finally they are getting what they deserve with OS X and Linux beginning to chew away at their install base and Firefox/Chrome destroying their browser monopoly. Soon Open Office will begin its' march on Redmond and will slowly erode MS Office's stranglehold on business as well. Look at some other "me too" MS accomplishments. The Zune, XBox and Pocket PC for cell phones. Nothing original or innovative at all just a desparate attempt for attention and money grab. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Foxgod]

Man, that happens all the time, they lose some share, the gain some, they lose some, they gain some.

It has been like that since the 80'ies.
Fact is they have always held the majority of the market, the idea of MS crumbling is nothing more then an Anarchists wet dream.

[Darkseider]

This isn't about tit for tat. Microsoft for the first time has dropped below 90% of the install base on PCs. Their browser is now hovering around 50% usage with Firefox and Chrome quickly eroding that share. People are more informed now and a new generation of users are in play. These users are informed and educated and know they have a choice. Microsoft used to play on the ignorant because they knew that the majority weren't informed and believed Microsoft to be the only choice. Now with the widespread use of the internet in schools and at home things are changing. Don't be surprised if Windows 7 releases and Microsoft gets a "so what?" from consumers like they did with Vista. It has nothing to do with anarchy as much as it does with choice and informed and knowledgable consumers picking solutions and products that perform better and more reliable that what can be had from the Redmond campus.

[Reeperdotcom]

when I read any of your comments, you start to sound like a Microsoft PR Rep. Seriously dude, its like Bill Gates and his 360 had a "fun" night together and 9 months later you came out. Layoff the fanboy comments, you and other fanboys regardless of system are really bring this site down. Makes me sad when someone is willing to bleed for a company that doesnt give 2 sh!ts about them....sad...

[Why dis]

PS3 fans comments and opinions are a dime a dozen.

[Reeperdotcom]

lol...why do you even comment here anymore? If you havent noticed most people have very little to no respect for fanboys or their comments. So if you would like someone to actually care for what you say then make comments dont make you sound like you're some game companies whore...well anyway thats my 2 cents, take it or leave it.

[JokesOnYou]

"This isn't about tit for tat. Microsoft for the first time has dropped below 90% of the install base on PCs."

lmfao, bro by your own admission Microsoft controls roughly 90% of the PC install base and you say its quickly eroding....do you know how huge a margin that is in what is one of the biggest industries in the world?, PC's are almost everywhere and micro is hovering around 90% install base, sure they may lose some ground but even if they lost market share every year consistently at this pace it would be a long time before they lose the majority, hell and so what if they did?, I sure as hell wouldn't cry, just means more choices for the consumers, and if any company *earns the right to compete with a better product I say game on,(no pun intended) I mean who expects micro to dominate the market share forever, either way its not as if that would be the end of micro, its simple they would just have to downsize like any other business and look for avenues to hold or gain market share back, even if they somehow in 10 yrs only had a 40% market share thats still a helluva lot of money to sustain a business considering how huge the PC market is...which of course goes waaay beyond gaming since we are talking about everybody from the avg Joe with a apartment, to homes with multiple PC's, to colleges, and of course Big Business all using computers...makes the install base of gaming consoles/profits look very small. All companies go through rough periods your nitpicking of micro's misfortunes is off topic on this thread so it smells like tit for tat to me.

JOY

[Tykis]

Right... thats why Marvel online was cancelled lol

[lokiroo420]

How can you sacrifice what you dont have?

[BLUR111]

So when did you started working for Microsoft? huh

[ps3sux]

ive been on off and on watching the ps3 retards make their ignorant, arrogant comments as usual. wanna know what "innovation" is........try online gaming consoles. microsoft done it RIGHT FIRST. if you wanna say sega, microsoft was who did that then..........

no they didnt invent it but without them you guys wouldnt have psn PERIOD. also just to throw this in there, microsoft had pretty much everything to do with the internet PERIOD. yea they innovated that.

look at what else they have innovated shall we..... they made the first controller for consoles that lets you have a mic plugged into it for online gaming....BRILLIANT!!! if you have a ps3, and dont have a bluetooth headset, you guys look ghetto with it hooked up to a usb port on ya console. 90% of psn users dont even have mics.

along with xbox live they have brought gamers some amazing online playing games, some of which were only able to be done on pc...unreal championship, rainbowsix, ghost recon. yea yea ps2 had those online as well, anmd that was a joke. if you didnt play those on xbox or pc, you were screwed.

im sick and tired of you guys thinking micro hasnt done ANYTHING for console gaming. i guess you same lamers think that sony invented gaming too right??? no atari, commodore 64, neo geo, nintendo, sega....na they were all just dreams, too ba di owned most of them

along with games, the BEST online service available for consoles, yea i guess they havent done anything "innovated" right sony fans?? you guys obviously just started gaming since you think sony has done everything for it.....BS. sony copies like hell, ALL COMAPNIES DO. guess you guys think sony started platformers, rpgs, action games, and fps's RIGHT??

you guys are jokes. sony has done good things in gaming, but give me a f'ing break, THEY SURE AS HELL DIDNT INVENT IT, and they STOLE a lot of their ideas that you guys call "innovation" from NINTENDO.

some of us that come to n4g (regrettably lately) didnt start gaming on ps1 or ps2 people, because if i did, id missed the best years of gaming, when it really was "innovative". sony isnt god and quit treating them like they are.

good day!

[NickIni]

"this site is getting more and more stupid
ive been on off and on watching the ps3 retards make their ignorant, arrogant comments as usual"

Says the one with the user name 'ps3sux'.

Nice spelling my friend. Top notch.

Open zone is a place better suited for your comments.

[name]

Did you just count Ghost Recon and Rainbow six as xbox exclusives?

[ps3sux]

this name was made this way to keep it short- ps3 sucks better for you????
i made this for one reason and one reason only- to piss you ps3 fanboys off. ive seen plenty of "anti-360 names" made on n4g, so i figured hell i'll make a anti-ps3 name.

all is fair their buddy. my comments in open zone?? wth?! are you kidding me?
i see worse on here in the gamerzone by the ps3 fanboys on n4g then anything i have said. shoot most the time you guys deliberately break the rules of the site and use phrases in the gamerzone that you shouldn't. here ill post gamerzone guidelines for you and ill capitalize the phrase you guys use all the time in this zone that NEVER gets deleted.

Gamer Zone Posting Guidelines
The Gamer Zone is for members who want a more friendly and civilized discussion. This section is heavily moderated by the N4G staff, so leave your fanboyism at the door please. Members who are unable to behave in a mature and respectful manner will be temporarily or permanently restricted from posting in the Gamer Zone. Using words such as "XBOTS" and Sony droids, or other words from the console war vocabulary, is strictly prohibited in this Zone.

next time pick on someelse, i'm too smart for ya ps3 loving self ok?!

[NickIni]

Haha. That cracked me up.

Firstly, I'm no fanboy. I have both a PS3 and a 360, I have my preferences, but I understand and respect that others will disagree with me. Better luck next time kid.

Your name doesn't wind me up in anyway, shape or form. In fact, it makes me laugh, and suggests you're, like the majority of the trolling, fanboy population of N4G: 12 years old and spell with all the ability of someone half their age.

True, a lot of comments here are inappropriate for the section, but that doesn't justify yours.

Oh and by the way, do you know what arrogant means?

Good day to you sir.

[N4Garbage]

No FPS can still top the innovation of the features in Halo 3.

No console has Cross Game Voice and invitational features.

Before Xbox360 no console had a mandatory achievement system only a handful of games had a feature similar but now as you see every game now has them.

No console has a program where indie developers are able to create games and be advertised to an audience of millions of other XBL members. (XNA)

Xbox360 was the FIRST console to have an online video store.

No console to this date has gaming more prioritized than the 360.

and what I mean is that with the NXE Previews, Screenshots, Trial Games, Classics revamped with online and leaderboards.

What has Sony did this generation so far that should be claimed "innovative"

Off the top I can think of

Little Big Planet...which is made by Media Molecule a studio that isn't first party to Sony and by the logic I'm reading in these posts

"3rd party developer exclusives don't count as innovative"

So I guess LBP doesn't count.

What else is there? You tell me.

So laugh at MSFT and Innovation in the same sentence all you want lol...they still did more.

[NickIni]

I see your 'online', and I raise you 'blu ray'.

"No console to this date has gaming more prioritized than the 360. "

I didn't realise prioritising = innovation.

EDIT @ Who dis: Troll? Where?

Let the multiple account disagrees roll! Woooo!

[Why dis]

What troll? did you read the channels or even the text?

[Sky Zero]

N4Garbage I just speculate these boards at most times but every time I read ur stuff I see things differently.

R U related to Jesus?

Bubbles+

[omodis420]

I am. And he was a fraud.

[N4Garbage]

Nope I'm related to no one.

I'm an extra terrestrial....

That lives in your garbage.

Thanks for the love tho :D

[farhsa2008]

the only thing microsoft have innovated is the RROD, it bought a new fashion, every 360 owners just has to have the RROD, and don't worry if you havent got one already, its guaranteed lol.

[OSIRUSSS]

If I were MS I wouldn't want third party exclusives. They are mostly Glitchy/Laggy Look at Fable 2, GEoW2,Mass Effect.... Third party multis seem ok though.

[nix]

Master Chief In The Movies

in work. SOON TO BE ANNOUNCED!

[Ldubbz]

Let the ramblings of a bunch of PS3 malcontents fall on deaf ears, friends. As a 360 owner, I am quite happy with the IP MS has brought us. Especially a little franchise called Halo....and in the last couple of months, Gears 2, Fable 2, L4D...upcoming episodes for GTA 4...

Cheers to them keeping up the good work.

And for all of the blind-sided fools who think MS' hasnt brought anything to console gaming (and then some)...

HDD-based consoles, broadband gaming, in-game soundtracks, Achievements (hello, trophies), online store with games, movies, etc, downloadable demos, DLC, voice chat (and party chat), installable games (not partial MANDATORY installs), PC content streaming, HD gaming (first on Xbox, then 360)...

Nah, they do NOTHING!

[NMC2007]

Xbox Live
Achievements
Console Multimedia Digital Downloads
Xbox Live Arcade
Console Multimedia Movie Streaming aka Netflix
Play & Charge Kit
Power Off Console From Controller
Console Hard Drive
Community Games
XBOAT LOL!!

Correct me if I am wrong, but weren't these MS console firsts that everyone then copies in some fashion? I forgot, innovation can only be made by Japanese companies like Nintendo & Sony, I mean like motion controls were made with a MS controller years before the WII and nobody cared, but the WII shows up and BAM! So innovative, who would have thought of motion controls for gaming? MICROSOFT DID!
-_-

MS - No innovation at all.

Also as far as Ips that are only on Xbox 360 that I know of:

Ninja Gaiden 2
Dead of Alive 4
Dead or Alive Xtreme Beach Volleyball
Project Gotham Racing 3 & 4
Rumble Roses XX
Beautiful Katamari
Crackdown
Lost Odyssey
Blue Dragon
Infinite Undiscovery
Tales of Vesperia (with potential to go multi)
Banjo Kazooie Nuts & Bolts
Viva Pinata 2
Gears of War 2 (with potential to go to PC)
Kameo Elements of Power
Geometry Wars
Dead Rising
Splinter Cell Conviction
Halo 3
Halo Wars
Ace Combat 6
Amped 3
Tony Hawk American Wasteland
Perfect Dark Zero
Bullet Witch
Braid (with potential to go multi)
The MAW
Culdcept Saga
Dishwasher
Ninja Blade
Forza 2
Fuzion Frenzy 2
Full Auto
Galaga Leigons (potential to go multi)
R-Type Delta
Geometry Wars 2
Jetpack Refulled
Lips
Race Pro
Pac Man Championship Edition
Naruto Rise of a Ninja
Naruto Broken Bond
Mutant Storm Empire
Mutant Storm Reloaded
Ninty Nine Nights 1 & 2
Omega Five
IdolMaster
Otomedius G
Over G
Ridge Racer 6
Saint's Row
Star Ocean 4 The Last Hope (potential to go multi)
Uno
TMNT Arcade
Too Human

That's as far as I am going, but these aren't anywhere else as far as I know, so MS has games, may not be from them but they are on the 360 ONLY not even on PC as far as I know.

[Ldubbz]

That we are talking about MS here. They were making Flight Sims before Sony was ever a console maker...btw, if u wanna lookup the rich history of Sony Imagesoft, which was Sony's SW company before PS days, good luck....their games sucked.

Also, at least give props to MS for DirectX, which is the basis of much of what u see today. The Xbox brand is actually named after DirectX. DirectX 10 is what makes Crysis the best looking game to date, in case u didnt know.