Developer: Wii isn't Next-Gen

"When TGR asked Godfather 2 Producer Dave Woldman about why there isn't a Wii version of the Godfather 2 being planned, he told us that they only wanted to use Next Gen consoles."

TheGameReviews.com

[cain141]

Wow, those quotes are well pretty clear... He actually said this...

[mint royale]

I know the wii isn't next gen. Its current gen just like the ps3 and 360. if a developer cannot comprehend this then I am ashamed that such fanboyism and idiotism is around in the industry. Oh well, all the developer has achieved is not getting my money. Well done. He should be in line for a promotion :)

[jtucker78]

To be fair to the developer he didn't actually say that the Wii wasn't next gen. Although I suppose he did imply it.

To be honest the Wii version of the original was always going to be best one. Godfather was a last gen game and it played like a last gen game only it had improved visuals on the PS3 and 360.
The wii version was better because it had decent controls.

I'm not accusing you of this mint royal but a lot of Wii owners think that PS3 and 360 = better graphics.
But any PS3 or 360 owner will tell you that HD games are far more than that.
AI, physics, lighting. That stuff won't run on Wii.
Yeah, you get basic stuff like Boom Blox, but there's no way you could implement LittleBigPlanet on the Wii. Even though it would have sold better if the Wii was capable of a game like that.

The Godfather devs want to take advantage of being able to implement "an all new Artificial Intelligence system to make our characters act and react more intelligently."
And obviously the wii won't be able to run that.

I don't condone missing out the wii in favour of the HD consoles, but the PS3 and 360 are very similar in terms of processing power.
For the PS3 and 360 you can keep the same level maps, same character models, textures, AI system, physics engine etc etc. If you were to create a Wii version you'd literally have to recreate all assets from scratch AND add a new control method.
This was fine for the original Godfather as it was basically a last generation game but with better visuals, but now the devs want to implement current gen tech - sorry - tech that can be handled by two thirds of this gen. which means you can't get around the Wii's short comings.

You could always concentrate on control and create one version (a Wii version) but why do that when you can create Two HD console versions on systems that will sell more games of an adult persuasion.

Godfather: Blackhand Edition Wii - 120,000 sales
The Godfather: Dons Edition PS3 - 200,000 sales
The Godfather: Xbox 360 - 350,000 sales

120,000 vs 550,000

I'd go for the 550,000

[Montrealien]

The wii is a tweaked, re-modeled, re-branded gamecube. This is not news, and there is absolutly nothing wrong with that.

[mint royale]

I agree with some of what your saying. I own all consoles and can see the difference but if your talking about ignorance I'd say the guilty party is not the wii owners but the 360/ps3 fans. The wii and its games are bashed by people who have never played the system it is hardly fair.

As for your sales figures you have a point. To me it fails though when you consider the majority of those sales occured in 2007 when the wii's marketshare was low (from 10% and as sales increased up to 30%). Of course sales will be lower but now with the wii commanding a 50% marketshare i'd be more than willing to release a wii version especially considering it will more than likely be the cheapest to produce.

[TheFreak]

It can be said that the Nintendo wii is the only next gen system out of current gen consoles. While Microsoft and Sony only made better versions of the last gen systems. Nintendo made something new thats more next gen. Just wait and see next gen consoles will have motion controlls like Nintendo have this generation.

[mxrider108]

Well, if he didn't say it, he should have. The Wii isn't next-gen -- it is on par with the xbox 1 in terms of hardware. The only thing "next gen" about the Wii is the controller, which is actually old technology as well (IR triangulation). Honestly, the Wii is the biggest ripoff of any of the game consoles -- Microsoft and Sony lose money on each console (you would pay thousands for a computer with the same hardware) while Nintendo makes a profit on each Wii sold. I can't believe how people just eat up all the Nintendo PR like it's fact.

[TheFreak]

Nintendo cant do like Sony Ms because they would go bankrupt you see. Nintendo are a much smaller company compared to them. Nintendo is only a gaming company while Sony and Ms have other things to.

Making a profit when you sell a thing is smart if you want to survive. And because Sony and Ms are selling with a loss is not because they would like to please you, its because ppl are not going to buy the product if its that expencive. SO THEY HAVE TO SELL WITH A LOSS SO PPL WILL BUY THE PRODUCT.

[rockleex]

because people who buy the system rarely play it after a month.

Even my most hardcore Nintendo friends have stopped playing it except once in awhile at game nights, but COD4 or Halo 3 usually take the top spots. There just haven't been any Wii games worth buying or playing for almost a year now.

All of them ended up buying a 360 or PS3 to cater to their gaming needs.

Is that their fault? No.

All of this is leading people to think that the Wii REALLY is a fad. But we'll have to wait and see.

[ThePimpOfSound]

Burn.

And then Nintendo's all like, "Well, we're too busy PRINTING MONEY to care about a GTA wannabee anyway."

Zing!

[cain141]

I don't get why they would neglect the wii. It's printing money. I'd want some of that money if I was EA...

[jtucker78]

See my previous comment

Godfather: Blackhand Edition Wii - 120,000 sales
The Godfather: Dons Edition PS3 - 200,000 sales
The Godfather: Xbox 360 - 350,000 sales

When you say that the Wii is printing money it is ... for Nintendo.
Not so much for other devs.
There are some devs making money from the Wii, but not many that release "adult" orientated games.

I can only think of No More Heros.
I hope the Conduit and Mad World will change that in future.

[Mahr]

"There are some devs making money from the Wii, but not many that release "adult" orientated games.

I can only think of No More Heros."

Well, that's a little bit unfair. The Resident Evil 4 port and Umbrella Chronicles each sold over a million copies, and the latter was essentially an exploding heads simulator. Ditto for Red Steel. House of the Dead 2 & 3 sold just shy of a million, and the Wii version of World at War didn't sell anywhere near as many units as the other versions, but 610,000 units isn't exactly nothing, either. Bully moved about as many units as No More Heroes.

Let's also not forget that most of the rest of the 'adult'-oriented games on the Wii range from mediocre (Scarface, Manhunt 2, Splinter Cell) to downright unplayable (Escape From Bug Island, Target Terror, Alone in the Dark, Far Cry: Vengeance) so it's for the best when those don't sell.

[Nick2728]

It's funny what snobbery does to you, isn't it? It's like the Wii are the New Rich and EA is the Rockefellers or Astors. "Why, we don't want any of -their- company, do we, Bonnie?"

[cain141]

That was actually funny/ true...

Bubbles for you!

[SinnedNogara]

First of all, the reason these games like The Godfather don't sell is that they are watered down ports from the PS2 and Xbox. It doesn't make sense to port a game WITHOUT taking the port seriously. My friend likes that game anyway. Second, the Wii is hardcore. Why did Super Smash Bros. Brawl sell 7 Million Units. Do you think a casual gamer would pick that up. Resident Evil 4 and Umbrella Chronicles sold 1 to 2 million units (RE4 is a good port, and Umbrella Chonicles is a RE game). Call of Duty: WAW doesn't have great graphics and the gameplay is very slippery and is washed down. HD could be important, but the games matter. Next gen doesn't mean graphics, but it means what is standard for this generation. Is online on the Wii?. Yes!! Does the Wii have downloadable games?? Yes!! The Wii also has FULL backwards compatibality (Take that 360 and 40, 80, and 160 GB models of PS3!!!) so we can play classics like Metroid Prime!!! The Conduit will sell like wildfire. Have you all seen the reception for the game on the Nintendo forums (nintendoeverything).

Why do you all complain about the Wii games like Mario & Zelda. Mario came out in 2007!!!! Zelda came out in 2006!! Brawl and Mario came out in 2008! Nintendo is very busy right now making those new games. Metal Gear Solid 4 took 4 years to develop and is the best game of 2008. Nintendo is perfecting these games for release.

Do you expect Nintendo to release a hit every 3 months?!

Oh, and is signed the petition to bring Winter on the Wii!! I was #10556 on the list. Sign the petition. It is very easy. The game is in beta and must be saved!!

All the SMART people on the site!! Call SEGA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[VirtualKatz]

Yeah I have to agree, you are working with a system that has last gen graphics with a little waggle put in. Not really next gen in my mind.

Good Article again!

[GFahim]

is the first godfather game was the best version DUE TO THE CONTROLS anyway.

[sonic989]

without a doubt is ture
they need more time to focus on next gen systems

[mint royale]

Are you this developer? You seem to have the same literary intellect :)

j/k :)

[silvacrest]

why are you taking such offense to what this developer said?

360/ps3 gets ripped on all the time

its refreshing to see the wii get some for a change

[mint royale]

How about none of them get bashed? None of them deserve it.

[silvacrest]

in a perfect world? sure why not
but with fanboys and biased journalists thats not gonna happen

[sonic989]

iam not bashing any system i respect all the systems
yes i hate nintendo even in the old days i preferred sega instead of nintendo
and i didnt buy any nintendo thing in my life ( even a game )
but in the end its my opinion and i choose what i want period
but you cant be sooo idiot to say the wii can produce ps3 and xbox graphics
believe it the wii cant
and it will show us that in 2010 when ps3 and xbox graphics go too far from what the wii can do
and as i said sony and MS know what they have to do ( iam not saying more than that )

[Mini Mario]

"360/ps3 gets ripped on all the time

its refreshing to see the wii get some for a change "

lol u must be new to this site or something

[Mini Mario]

".. So how is a sytem more powerful than the original xbox with 4 times the rendering power last gen? I mean I tihnk most of the Wii hate is just based off of complete ignorance of the console."

100% agree with u. Assumptions plays a big factor with many haters on here. The same haters will only play their console of choice. If they love sony there is no chance of them playing halo, and if they own a 360 there is no chance of them playing LBP. Its quite funny really.

Then u get ppl like us who are open minded who will play all games across the board (as long as they are good), no matter what system it's on. And hate the wii all u want u cant say there are no good games on the system.

Mario galaxy for ONE of many examples...too many to list really.

[Mr PS3]

But at Least its more Next Gen than the Xbox

[360 man]

tell that to capcom

whos resident evil 5 looks better on 360 than on ps3

[Gue1]

From where are quoting that statement 360man? Lets at least wait for the PS3 demo to start the comparisons...

Last time I checked the best looking game on any console was MGS4, winner of multiple awards for its incredible graphics and soon will be dethroned by Killzone 2. The only game on consoles comparable to Crysis.

Denial? That happens often when you make bad choices. =)
But the PS3's going to drop in price sooner or later then you could go and rectify that mistake. Poor xbots, no games on 2009 and living in constant fear because of the RRoD. It most feel bad.

[SWORDF1SH]

invalid thing to say when we all kno what killzone looks like

[Product]

"The only game on consoles comparable to Crysis."

i lol'ed at that you must not have ever played Crysis......there is a draw distance of about 2 miles ...there is no draw distance in Killzone and no colors........comparable lol.
Go play Crysis.

[SWORDF1SH]

i think what he is tryin to say is that killzone 2 is the first console game to be compared to a pc game because killzone has closed the game between pc and console like no other game as. console games will never match speced out pcs games but when killzone is being compared to crysis then you kno killzone is something speacil graphically.

[Voiceofreason]

He's referring to one statement made by a PS fanboy in the media who clearly never played Crysis on any kind of decent PC if at all.
People just want to put Killzone up against the best FPS's over the years and say its better in every way. However most of the people saying that have never played it, will probably never buy it judging by software sales for PS3 games, and never played the games they try to say KZ2 is better than.

[AWBrawler]

I have reason to believe you are xander from Nintendo Worlds with the Ike avatar. are you?

[Voiceofreason]

How is the Wii not current gen?(Next gen to noobs who understand nothing about gaming). Last gen was held back by a 233mhz processor. Most games were built for that.. So how is a sytem more powerful than the original xbox with 4 times the rendering power last gen? I mean I tihnk most of the Wii hate is just based off of complete ignorance of the console.

It has most of the features that Sony fans love to brag about being future proof..Oh but on the Wii wifi is 3 gens old. BLuetooth was in the original Atari....Free online has been done since the Commodore. Any lie to take credit away from where it is due. Always some BS that has nothing to do with reality.
The only thing a next gen console needs to have in order to be a next gen console is to be the next console in line from a company when the generation starts. There has never been a standard that has to met before you can call your system next gen.. If what you kids said had any truth to it, PS2 is a 3 gen old system.. It certainly wasnt last gen considering it was at least half as powerful as its closest competitor.

[Jamaicangmr]

Why are you rambling on about WiFi bluetooth etc? The point the guy was makin is that it lacks the power of the PS3 and Xbox360. So even if the Wii is 4 times as powerful as the Xbox as you say (Personally i don't care.) It's still not powerful enough to compete in the graphical arena of the PS3 and Xbox360.

The Wii does nothing to push the industry Nintendo is just cashing in on over priced outdated technology. PERIOD!

[jtucker78]

You're right, he shouldn't have implied that the Wii wasn't current gen.
As we all know, any system that came out 2006 or later (regardless of what it can actually do) is classed as current gen.

He should have been diplomatic and said that EA wanted to create the game for the two current generation consoles that have the sort of processing power that you would expect from consoles that were released 5/6 years after the last generation.

[GrandTheftZamboni]

Year that console was out?
Processing power?
Graphics?
Controls?

Without agreeing on this one, the whole argument is just for fun.

[BrotherNick]

A generation ahead in controls. Watch the other systems mimic the Wii's controls next gen.

[Pootie Tang]

your saying the wii is 4X more powerful then the original Xbox??????
The WII hasn't even produced anything close to God of War 2 on the PS2 yet and not likely ever
It has a 700mz "Hollywood" processor, no HD visuals, it looks like crap on the big screen. The Xbox had a 733mz processor and games still look great had high def support and was way ahead of the what the WII is today

The WII is an anchor IMO, whereas 360 and PS3 are driving the industry forward. The Wii has Craptastic graphics and sound with a remote that lets "kids" think their Jedi's(and prob alot of older virgins). it is good for children 8yrs and under - after that it's time for u to upgrade

[Pootie Tang]

4X more powerful than the xbox???????
it doesn't even look close
they have similar processors 700mz wii, 733mz xbox--- the wii doesn't even support hi def visuals

u really think the wii has or will ever have anything even close to god of war 2 on the PS2? yet alone start comparing to the Xbox

[ChickeyCantor]

" It has a 700mz "Hollywood" processor, no HD visuals, it looks like crap on the big screen. The Xbox had a 733mz processor and games still look great had high def support and was way ahead of the what the WII is today
"

O pootie, So it can't do god of war while the numbers clearly are above the PS2 specs...
Ah yes your logic is intriguing.

Also The difference between Xbox and Wii is that the Wii has a fixed shader pipeline. And is locked between 3 resolutions.

You keep ramping on High def visuals and than say "god of war".
Seriously are you an idiot( i'm asking, im not calling you an idiot).

Am I missing something or is there something special to your logic?
Yesh it's clear Wii can't do HD( LOL AT lots of GAMES NOT DOING 720P on 360 or PS3 but lower...mind you i have a PS3, but LOL).
But to say one is "stronger" or not, I'm not sure if you understand the difference between "power" and "features".

Also, you pretend Wii makes the game, it's the damn developers.
get a bit of realism.

[SWORDF1SH]

i think in your mind you think you are right and make sense. but what you jus said you might as well wrote blah blah blah blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. that would of had more meaning

[ChickeyCantor]

Ah, yes.
With such powerful words contradicting mine, I think you are right.

/Sarcasm.

[SWORDF1SH]

ok i will tell you why i said you dont make sense. i thought you would of read back and would of seen it for yourself.
1. pootie was countering what sombody said about the wii being 4x more powerful than xbox by statein facts about the processor.
2. pootie was backin up the statement that wii was last gen with his opinion that wii graphics havent surpassed a last gen game god of war.
3. you then make a irrelevent statement
"You keep ramping on High def visuals and than say "god of war".
Seriously are you an idiot( i'm asking, im not calling you an idiot)."
even though anybody can see he was sayin that the wii cant do last gen graphics "god of war", never mind hd graphics.
4. then you go on about a few games in on the xbox and 360 that were slighly sub hd when the point is about hardware and that the ps3 and 360 as already proven on virtually on all its games that they can do hd games.

im not sayin pootie is right. i might agree with some of the stuff he says but you reasoning for disagreeing with him is way off

[ChickeyCantor]

" 1. pootie was countering what sombody said about the wii being 4x more powerful than xbox by statein facts about the processor.
"

I never argued this with pootie ;)

"2. pootie was backin up the statement that wii was last gen with his opinion that wii graphics havent surpassed a last gen game god of war.
"

No pootie says it can't do God of War gfx.
At least that's what you can imply from his second comment.

"3. you then make a irrelevent statement
"You keep ramping on High def visuals and than say "god of war".
Seriously are you an idiot( i'm asking, im not calling you an idiot)."
even though anybody can see he was sayin that the wii cant do last gen graphics "god of war", never mind hd graphics.
"

SO first it's in his "opinion" then you basically say pootie is in fact saying it can't do god of war gfx.
Applause for your own contradiction.
He kept ramping on HD gfx, and then says it can't do God of war.
While it is a fact that Wii has more power just by looking at the specs. So who says it can't do God of war 2 gfx?

Because developers sh/t on it doesn't mean wii can't do it.
HUGE difference.

"
4. then you go on about a few games in on the xbox and 360 that were slighly sub hd when the point is about hardware and that the ps3 and 360 as already proven on virtually on all its games that they can do hd games.
"

My point was to point out how lame it is, to go BS about HD gfx while games were under 720P and people still enjoyed it.
Get it? is it that hard to grasp?

If anything is off is your nonsensical post telling me my comment was equal to "blah".
Instead of being a douchebag at least put up a normal discussion from the beginning. From what i understand you didn't even understood what i typed down.

[SWORDF1SH]

youre still talkin bs.

"I never argued this with pootie"
read what pootie said about the processors and why he brought it up and look at what you said?

"No pootie says it can't do God of War gfx.
At least that's what you can imply from his second comment"
ok maybe he did but your reply to his god of war reference didnt make sense the first time around. as wii done anything like gow? if no they you cant argue the that the wii might not be capable of doing gow grafics

"SO first it's in his "opinion" then you basically say pootie is in fact saying it can't do god of war gfx.
Applause for your own contradiction.
He kept ramping on HD gfx, and then says it can't do God of war.
While it is a fact that Wii has more power just by looking at the specs. So who says it can't do God of war 2 gfx?

Because developers sh/t on it doesn't mean wii can't do it.
HUGE difference."
read what i said again. i said pootie said he thinks that the wii cant do god of grafics. if he thinks it cant, its still HIS opinion.

"My point was to point out how lame it is, to go BS about HD gfx while games were under 720P and people still enjoyed it.
Get it? is it that hard to grasp?

If anything is off is your nonsensical post telling me my comment was equal to "blah".
Instead of being a douchebag at least put up a normal discussion from the beginning. From what i understand you didn't even understood what i typed down."
first off who said games have to be in hd to be fun? who said wii wasnt fun? the fact that the 360 and ps3 produce HD graphics jus makes them technically superior. some people see that as next gen and the wii not while some people think all 3 are next gen/current gen. is that hard to grasp matey. get a fcukin life instead of talkin sh*t. and yes you are still talkin utter bollox

[Mini Mario]

"Why are you rambling on about WiFi bluetooth etc? "

Because some sony fans go on about how the ps3 has it and the 360 doesnt ....basically implying the ps3 is the only system to utilize it (not all fanboys just the few that know little about the wii).

Plus they always like to say what the wii doesnt have and never really mention what it does have.

[ChickeyCantor]

"as wii done anything like gow?"

Is the Wii making games or developers?
Think about it.

Why does he use his own opinion to state a fact?
Thats what he is doing. He is basically saying: "I don't think it can do it, so it can't"

" first off who said games have to be in hd to be fun?"

That's my whole point, why does he go ramping on about HD while it is a fact games could still be fun.
Why even bring it up? Why even go cry about a console not doing HD?
If we all know it can still be a good system?

Pootie was simply just b/tching about two things
HD and God of war gfx.

O and i need to get a life? yeah says the idiot who actually takes part of the discussion.

[SWORDF1SH]

sidar shhhhhhhh. ps2 is still a fun console. it doesnt mean its current gen. pootie is sayin wii is last gen tech. is that hard to grasp. do you use common sense when readin a comment. id admit you makin more sense than your first than your first replies. i get you when he says wii cant do a gow style game and states his opinion as fact but youre being way to picky but its still his opinion that he thinks it cant be done. and as for developers not pushin the wii. maybe it can do gow style games maybe it cant. whats clear it hasnt been done so you have nothin to back it up. so shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh shhshshshshshshshshshshs the fcuk up. like i said i dont agree with everything he said but youre not using your common sense to see why he brought up those points and what the points he brought up relate to. and yes you need to get a life when you twist whats sombody says and try to defend the wii. wii the console thats played by nerdy get a life kids and 8year old children and is a pensioner exerciser. and again shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh h

@ sidar below.
yay youre finally gettin there. gow is last gen and wii hasnt surpassed that. that was the point. see the point now??

as for spec. you dont kno anything about what the wii can acheive. theres a lot more to it than the processor size and what graphics card its using. maybe pootie shouldnt say it cant to gow but all thats kinda irrelevent because if it did surpass gow, it still would have to go long way to catch up with 360 and ps3.

maybe that doesnt make it a current gen console. maybe it doesnt matter. its all down to what you consider a next gen console.

as for me gettin a life. i do consider me spendin time on n4g the geeky side of me but i do have a life. i have a girlfriend who of which ive been with for 3 year and engaged to, i have loads of good friends and i go out socialising a lot. the only thing that sucks about my life is this recession and being self employed im struggling with work. thats why im on the laptop now. no work.

sidar i really do not want to carry on arguin but you cant see the simple point he's tryin to put across. and if you still dont see it now jus shut up because im fed up with you.

[ChickeyCantor]

" pootie is sayin wii is last gen tec"

...wasn't GoW on a last gen system?
But i guess you don't get that.

"whats clear it hasnt been done so you have nothin to back it up"

I'm not the one stating it is a fact that it can't do GoW renders, because I "think" it can't do it.

If you look at the Specs of the Wii and PS2, you clearly see which one is above the other. It's common sense then that its more likely, or at least you could assume it should be able to do it.

Because we havn't seen a GoW game on the Wii doesn't mean it's not possible.

No matter why Pootie was pointing those things out, they are false assumptions.
Wether you hate the wii or not, or pottie for that matter is no reason for me not to point out other things.

If i'm the one that should need to get a life, then so should you. Let's not forget it takes 2 or more to have a discussion and no matter how hard you are in denial: You are being part of it.

So don't tell people to get a life, cause you certainly need one.

[ChickeyCantor]

" as for spec. you dont kno anything about what the wii can acheive. theres a lot more to it than the processor size and what graphics card its using. maybe pootie shouldnt say it cant to gow but all thats kinda irrelevent because if it did surpass gow, it still would have to go long way to catch up with 360 and ps3.
"

Hold up i never said i know what the wii can achieve, I said its common sense to assume it can >do< GoW since the Specs are higher.

Even if it can't surpass the 360 and PS3, there is no need to spread lies about how a thing can't do something.

O i get his point alright, but saying no game has surpassed GoW so it can't do GoW is just BS.

And you having a life, good for you. Don't tell others they need a life.

But whether people want to see it or not, Wii is a current gen console.
It's part of THIS generation. See, what i did there?
People don't even understand the meaning of next-gen.
It's nothing but a marketing buzz now

[BrotherNick]

I have enough games on my plate to not worry about this one. If you want it you should get the other console.

[Mini Mario]

"has wii done anything like gow? if no they you cant argue the that the wii might not be capable of doing gow grafics"

Mario galaxy>>? Looks pretty good..maybe u or "pootie" havent played it. And no if it has the specs it obviously can do it...doesnt take a rocket scientist. And just coz u "assume" no games look good because the only time u have seem them is on youtube,.. then that's yours and "pooties" fault for not getting the facts right.

"read what i said again. i said pootie said he thinks that the wii cant do god of grafics. if he thinks it cant, its still HIS opinion."

if "pootie" jumped off a brige would u follow>>? Sounds like u really listen to this "pootie" lol. Is he your idol>? Did u ever think that maybe "pooties" opinion has been proven wrong by factors of specs and how AAA titles actually looked compared to how he "thinks" they look in his mind, or youtube.

"My point was to point out how lame it is, to go BS about HD gfx while games were under 720P and people still enjoyed it.
Get it? is it that hard to grasp?

"first off who said games have to be in hd to be fun?"

by the sounds of it MANY ppl on this site certainly think it is neccessary..that and "online".

"who said wii wasnt fun?"

Many ppl on here are under the impression and "assume" (theres that word again) that a techinally inferior machine connot possible be fun.

"is that hard to grasp matey. get a fcukin life instead of talkin sh*t. and yes you are still talkin utter bollo"

Yeh real nice guy, i bet u get all the bubbles.

[SWORDF1SH]

o god dont you start. replied in the wrong place btw. when i said "who said" i was referin to myself. it was kind of a rhetorical question. my gripe with sidar was counterin what pootie said with garbage. what is required for current gen consoles isnt clearly defined. some say it as to provide HD and be a step up from last gen in graphics. some people simply say it has to sell in this current gen to be a current gen console. im fine with the fact that sidar thinks its a current gen console. but he spewed out cr@p and took pooties points out of context. ive seen that done a few times b4 so i stepped in. dont kno who pootie but i could grasp what he was sayin and he kind of had a point. i dont agree with all of it. im no sure if gow can be done on wii but that doesnt matter. the point he was makin was that he does last gen graphics so should it be considered a current gen console? no right or wrong to that answer. yes some people find it fun but fun doesnt make it current gen. damn ps2 is still fun. and as for specs. you dont have a clue about specs. some fators might jump out at you like processor size but theres a lot more to it than that. please dont be blind to the obvious point me and pootie are makin like sidar. there is no right or wrong. its all opinion.

[ChickeyCantor]

" yes some people find it fun but fun doesnt make it current gen."

Lol, seriously.
No it's called current gen since it is the successor of the GCN which was last gen, this one is current gen.

There is nothing more to it. Just play games damn it.

Also if its all opinion, why go berserk about it.
You seem like a hypocrite.

[Mini Mario]

"ps2 is still a fun console. it doesnt mean its current gen. pootie is sayin wii is last gen tech"

what bout ipods, they pretty much use the same technology yet everytime they are released they are gen 5 or gen or gen 7 etc. Only small improvements are done per gen "tech wise" like the looks, hardive, touch screen etc yet they are always released as next gen

And yet ppl always upgrade to the next gen of ipod quite frequently (and to add can cost more than a wii...in australia at least)

[Baka-akaB]

I like some games on wii , and owns one , but indeed there is no denying that besides a few nintendo titles, it hasnt fared better technically than a gamecube .

Hell i've yet to see any relevant explanation , other than obvious economics , marketing interests and issues , to the why the wiimote wasnt simply sold as a gamecube accessory .

Enough with PC BS ... the console has only recently started getting non nintendo graphically stunning titles such as Mad World and the conduit . Otherwise it's still is and often in Ports wonderland , gamecube or not , or casual stuff

[SWORDF1SH]

lol @all the peope takin this way to serious. theres no right or wrong to what he says. next gen (current gen) is kind of a gray area. you can say its not next gen because the wii as last gen graphics. even thou it exists it this gen it can be argued that it doesnt move or push any barriers from last gen. it can also be argued its not even in direct competition with xbox and ps3 because they target a total different audiance so therefore not takin sales away from sony or ms. if youre a gamer you have a ps3 or a 360. if youre a non gamer you have a wii. and if a gamer does have a wii he will also have a ps3 or a 360. on the other hand a wii can be called current gen because it was released in this gen. no rght or wrong. grey area subject that will cause argument because everybody will have a opinion on it

[Baka-akaB]

Exactly why get mad about a subject that shouldnt matter to us wii owners ? There is no logic in getting mad at people arguing that it's an outdated console when it comes to tech and graphics ...
That's precisely the way it was built , the exact intent , and with a totally different focus ...

There is a difference here , better assume it than live in denial .

What's next people getting angry because a dev will state the fact that PSP is a more powerful console than the ds ? It doesnt happen , and yet it's the same damn argument . And people getting angry and denying it are fools , with the underpowered consoles leading the pack anyway , hence making it a non-issue

[Voiceofreason]

When you get right down to it. Wii is in no way out dated tech..Most people just look at the games and think that tells them everything about what is inside the console. Even though some Wii games already surpass PS2 level graphics some kid will come along and ask for with a similar art style as God of War.

Anyway. Why is Wii not outdated? Because it not only increases the power used in last gen consoles, it also is much more efficient. It was designed to stay on 24/7 with Wii connect 24. If the Wii is plugged on its using 70-80 of its full power. Which really isnt much at all when you take a look at your power bill. PS3 and 360 can cost hundreds more just in power consumption over the life of the console. Try leaving your xbox 360 running for 3 months straight and let me know how that works out for you.

[Ethreon]

Someone actually figured it out.

[predator]

I agree with the developer

[felidae]

eehm .. i know!

[Gr81]

I'm not following the logic that because the game sold less on Wii than other platforms, don't make the sequel on that platform. If that was the case should EA stop making tiger woods games on every system except the Wii? Since that game sells the most on that system?

EA along with many other 3rd parties are missing a huge opportunity on the Wii, thus many of them are in the red. There are consequences for ignoring the market leader.

[Product]

If Tucker is right on the sales part if i was making the game period, i would be pissed.
Those sales suck for such a mature title and huge name recognition.

Next gen? tell that to the studios closing because they spend thousands of thousands of money on tech backing and marketing then the game does ...what again Tucker?

550,000 grand total from 2 hd consoles?how much profit did they make?

[Voiceofreason]

Sales comparisons are not really fair though. Wii version came out dead last after every other console got theirs.. Of course sales are going to be lower for Wii. How many sales does a year old PS2 port need to justify the price put into porting it?

[ChickeyCantor]

And here i was thinking we were in a CURRENT_GEN period...
O well. I guess people can't tell the difference between "next" and "current".

AAAAAAAH

[HDgamer]

People seem to forget that it doesn't matter about the graphics, if the gameplay is solid and newer than other's everyone will flock to it.

[sonic989]

if you say that then that means sony and MS will release a new controllers with upgraded motion controls ( just like the one that sony was making and didnt announce yet ) for there PS3 and xbox
and after that the wii has nothing except mario which i hate very very much ( my opinion again my opinion )
and if nintendo want to compete with the others then they have to release a new system cause the wii wont survive unless nintendo cuts the wii price to 70 $

[Cherchez La Ghost]

Nintendo can print their own money right about now. "Nobody" who works for Nintendo do not have to worry about job cuts.

[Enigma_2099]

It doesn't have HD capabilities or hard drive to hide less than stellar gameplay behind. If you don't wow them with stellar graphics, they may actually notice that you didn't put much into the gameplay.

They may actually have to concentrate on trying to make the gameplay stand out for a change.

[Product]

couldnt have said it better.

[QuackPot]

....but definitely the controller is Next Gen.

WTF

Hurry up already Sony/Microsoft with the Play- & X-motes.

I want lightning fast(as fast as a mouse) aiming/looking with my favourite shooters.

Bring it......now.

[Voiceofreason]

Poor Pootie.. Clearly talking about things he cannot comprehend... Hey Pootie little education for you.. 700mhz has nothing to do with power output. Its based off of power consumption. 2 processors can each be for example 3.2 ghz but one can still be more powerful than the other. What that means is each is sucking in 3.2 ghz of power.. What they put out is a different story.

Yeah Wii has 4 times the processing power of the most powerful last gen console.. I know you wont understand what that means exactly but to anyone with any knowledge of processors beyond what their chosen comapny tells them can clearly see that Wii is as next gen as any other console. It isnt based off of the power rating of current console but those that came before it.

[sonic989]

can produce ps3 graphics
oh well if you cant take then i will say ok as you say
but still you cant dream that a game on the wii could look any way near to kill zone 2 lol
and if what you are saying is true then no need for the extra GHZ just revamp the old pentium 2 and everything will be fine
i hate intel they always say the more GHZ the more powerful they are lying lol

[kesvalk]

... i just can't believe someone said this...

sonic, you got totaly off topic man, he is talking about the staments of pootie, not about the wii doing PS3 graphics...

[Voiceofreason]

One of the few I have ignored.. He doesnt understand. Glad someone got it at least.

[Magic_The_Celt]

No Sh*t

[TriforceLightning]

Nintendo singledhandely saves the industry(yet again) and some dimwitted person at EA talks out his ass.WTF!

[Product]

lazy dev is exactly right...in the wii High Voltage has proven you can do depth of field,motion blur,heat distortion,real time water reflection among others.......all features that are seen on the hd consoles that are not able to be rendered on the wii yet they did it through bending the rules.Unfortunately with most devs they dont feel like putting in all the work for a new engine and instead just pump out hd graphics with the tech thats available to them.

Lets put it this way it takes less time and skill to make a good looking game on the hd consoles then it does on the wii.hell even Resident Evil 5 uses the same engine as in Dead Rising for Xbox.Devs are just to lazy to build new engines these days and its starting to look bad......Besides Gears when did the ut3 engine look good?

[OO7]

OO Agent to figure that out

[kesvalk]

i am getting depressed

it's such a bizarre show of lack of knowledge and idocy that makes me see why this is generation of gaming is being so lackluster... with gamers like these, the devs don't need to make good games, they only need to have lots of physics, sharp graphics and violence/sex...

you guys need to wake up, graphics are good, but it's not the core of the game...

[sonic989]

for the miss understand
any way thank you for cooling down the air
thanks again

[ChickeyCantor]

YHES!!

[madpuppy]

I don't understand why people think that the Wii controller scheme is somehow better than a standard controller? I own the Wii and I think its controller sucks. It is imprecise and annoying. Sure, it is good for games like "bowling" and "tennis" but, as a controller for FPS, 3rd person and platform games it is a waste and very annoying. I hope to god that it doesn't become a next generation standard. maybe it would be alright as an extra accessory but NEVER as the standard controller.

[dawq112]

Thanx for telling us the obvious!!

[dustgavin]

Wii-
Current generation system with last generation graphics.

[lewis]

the wii is this gen. the ps3 and 360 skiped a whole gen or more.

[FinalomegaS]

Next gen= HD+multi core Processors+same input device controller?

"the Wii is the least powerful of the major home consoles in its generation" from Wiki

So it's current gen/next gen, just not as powerful as they are.

So the Wii is:

SD+specialized processor+multiple input device controllers.

Just sad it's taking so long for dev to put out some AAA games on a system that doesn't need so much resources =/

I have Dead rising on 360 and when Capcom said they are making it on wii , first thing I said... Gawd! it's a port and yes porting isn't the best thing but all I can think of is bad thoughts. You port the 360 game to the wii, give it new play control maybe it'll be ok~ or passable or whatever. But anyone remember the porting of the wii game to the 360, Rayman raving rabbids?That just sucked! The game was based on the control/gameplay, so lesson is you can try to bring the HD games to the SD system or vise versa but it won't be the same experience both ways.

Each system is unique on their own.

Think High Voltage should take the job of porting HD games to wii, maybe they could do something right ?

[AWBrawler]

because MS and Sony are already trying to do motion controls now, and for the fool who thinks Wii can't do God of War 2, Galaxy, Corruption, Resident evil 4, Resident evil umbrella chronicles, and Pokemon battle Revolution already surpass that games graphics. yes pokemon beat its graphics. google it! compare PBR to GOW2.

[Vizion26]

I agree with you. A very intelligent post (which is very rare on this site).

If it weren't for the Wii I would have gave up gaming. Why? Because simply upgraded graphics and physics and AI etc wasn't enough to appeal to me. There needed to be a new way to interact with games and Nintendo stepped up to the plate in that department.