Sony says PS3 only console powerful enough for Killzone 2 as OPM UK announces first official review

David Wilson, UK PR Manager at Sony Computer Entertainment UK said:

"Killzone 2 has been a long time in the making, and best showcases why PlayStation 3 is the only console powerful enough to deliver a ground-breaking title of this nature. Who better to partner with than the Official PlayStation Magazine, in order to offer the readers a special collectors edition issue. It's a great way to celebrate the launch of this milestone game."

[lociefer]

u da.mn rit sony , we belive in you , now launch the da.mn game already , i cant waaiittt

[EXCLUSIVEGAMER]

i knew this already. sony consoles always deliver when it comes to power. look at ps1/ps2/ psp cpu overclock/ and now the ps3

[Mr.Mister]

ps1= weakest
ps2= weakest
please i know you like sony so much but dont tell bullsh!t like this

[masterg]

@Mr.Mister

PS1 = Best games of it's generation
PS2 = Best games of it's generation
PS3 = Best games of it's generation

[micro_invader]

Yes, the ps2 had the best games of the genration but it certainly wasn't the most powerful console of that generation, technically.

[hay]

PS2 was the weakest from 6th gen consoles in terms of numbers but that didn't really stand in the way to kick other consoles arses and proove capable of running great games. (although I did prefer Dreamcast in this gen :()

PS1... Well, we all know PS1. It was near the botton if we look at numbers, but still managed to be highly popular and successful platform(comparing to other 5th gen consoles). Saturn and Ninty64 were my fav here. But I won't deny what Sony consoles achieved.

All that comes to my mind is: Software did it!

[siyrobbo]

ps1 - outperformed more powerful consoles
Ps2 - outperformed more powerful consoles
Wii - Outperformed more powerful consoles
Gb - Outperformed more powerful handhelds
GBA - Outperformed more powerful handhelds
DS - Outperformed more powerful handhelds

i see a pattern

[Fox01]

Sony says a lot of things, and truth isn't one of them. You guys remember "4D", "1080p/60Hz"...
Give the X360 a team of 150 people and $50M working on it non stop for four years and I'm pretty sure they'll make something at least as good as Killzone 2 if not better.

And BTW, X360's graphic card even more powerful than the one in the PS3, so that statement's just PR bullsh!t.

[AAACE5]

I gotta disagree a bit!

The N64 technically had more power than the Ps1. But the Ps1 had the CD format which allowed them to do some cool things. 64 bit vs. 32 bit

The Ps2 was considered the weakest of the previous gen consoles. The Ps2 had (if I remember right), a 300 Mhz processor, the Gamecube had a 405 Mhz processor, the Xbox had a 733 Mhz processor.

The Psp is the most powerful handheld though, easily beating the DS' graphical power.

And the Ps3 is the most powerful this gen, and now sony are really starting to show it.

(That was a verbal disagree, I don't hit the button or take bubbles from anyone, so don't get mad.)

[salgoods]

right, like Too Human, right? lol

[thats_just_prime]

the ps1 and ps2 were the weakest system of their gen yet both systems sold over 100 million. The ps3 might be the most powerful game system but it still pales when compared to a pc. its to bad sony did learn from the ps1 and 2 it not about power its about games

[marinelife9]

Fox

Sony spends 50 million on a new engine and game in Killzone 2.

Microsoft spends 50 million on downloadable content for an overated and aging game (GTAIV)

Who do you think made the better investment?

I've seen more and more 360 supporters go the way of Wii owners by chanting the mantra graphics aren't everything all of the sudden.

[Fox01]

I completely agree with you mate.
My point is (if Microsoft wasn't so stupid paying $50M for DLCs and temporary exclusives), the X360 has enough power to handle Killzone 2. It has more memory than the PS3 and the Graphic card is superior.

[Jeremy Clarkson]

Quote:

"the X360 has enough power to handle Killzone 2. It has more memory than the PS3 and the Graphic card is superior.

If you going to say something, at least know what your talking about first.

[uie4rhig]

i'll have you know that the PS3 and 360 have the same amount of ram, both 512MB however, the design is different, 360 has 512MB ram used for both cpu and gpu (shared GDDR3 ram).. however, ps3 has two ram XDR sticks, 256 mb for GPU and 256Mb for cpu, difference between the two is, XDR runs at such a high speed compared to GDDR3, that it (256mb) is pretty much equivalent to 1GB when the CPU is working at a high speed (e.g. CELL)
and Xbox 360 WILL be able to handle a game like Kz2 .. however, i don't know if the graphics and the animations would be on par.. gameplay most likely would be but its the graphics that im not sure about.. infact.. KZ2 would even run on a PS2 but you guessed it, the graphics would be very low ..

[TheExecutive]

Well, I dont really care what Sony PR has to say. However, let the games of both systems speak FOR the system. Nothing on any console to date looks remotely as good as KZ2. Until the 360 produces a game that looks similar I am inclined to say that it CANT be produced on the 360.

That being said, graphics arent everything.

[N2NOther]

The better investment is the DLC for sure because while YOU may not be all that into GTA IV, there are still tons of people that are and I'd bet a lot that Killzone 2, no matter how awesome, will not outsell GTA IV.

MS invested the money into several DLC, not just one, so by backing a game that has sold over 6 million copies on their console, they're making a sound investment...Spending 50 million for a sequel to a mediocre game is the bigger risk...I'm sure both will pay off for the respective companies this time out though...Killzone 2 looks amazing.

[krouse93]

The Xbox 360 wouldn't be able to handle all the special effects and good things going on in Killzone 2 because for example wind particles and all the things going on in the background top with the extremely beautiful graphics only the Playstation 3 can handle it combined with the cell 8 Cores (means it can do more things at once) and the GPU and CPU ram PS3 has. The Xbox 360 can only do 3 things at once since it only has 3 cores.

[Danja]

Funny thing is the PS1 was considered to be so weak but then you look at a game like Final Fantasy 9 ...and it actually looks better than most N64 games..

then the PS2 was suppose to be the weakest but then here comes a game like GOW2 and it actually looked better than some of the 360's Launch titles....wow so much for it being weak...

then the PS3 well it shoot right out the gate,...RFOM a launch title was able to keep up with 2nd year 360 games enough said..

[iHEARTboobs]

about whether the 360 can do it or not. Point should be that the 360's been on the market longer, it's "easier" to develop for, MS has the money to spend and yet there isn't anything looking as good as KZ2 on the 360.

[Montrealien]

Yet the PS2 did just fine and was the least powerful console of that generation, at least compared to the game cube and the Xbox.

All that really matters is that we have great games on all consoles, and if you are lucky enough to not be a brand w*ore, you can enjoy some really amazing games across all platforms.

yes sony, we know the PS3 is the more powerfull console, give us Killzone Already!! :D

[KarateExplosion]

It seems like you forget how big a game Killzone 2 is.... If it was to be done on the 360..... you know how many disks it would be.... I remember this article around 2 years ago that was comparing one lvl of Killzone 2 to Resistance fall of man.... resistance is around 17.5 gigs.... roughly 2 gigs a lvl..... So I AM ASSUMING that there is about 5 gigs per lvl in killzone....... there fore you could fit one lvl per disk. GOOD LUCK GETTING that on 360 with 4 years nonstop and 40+mil dollars.

[40cal]

On 360, I think that something could look as good as KILLZONE 2 but not in motion overall. There is just to much going on in KILLZONE 2, to much info to process. Lighting, mo-cap/rag animations, AI, ect. ect. ect.

Not saying the 360 cant do these things just not to this level.

Edit: Its like some people just refuse to believe that the Cell Processor and Blu-Ray can and are being used to make higher quality games.

[NickIni]

"Give the X360 a team of 150 people and $50M working on it non stop for four years and I'm pretty sure they'll make something at least as good as Killzone 2 if not better."

Then why haven't they?

KZ2 was announced 2005. (Or whenever it was). If it was possible, Microsoft would have certainly done it already.

[The Lazy One]

Because for that price/time they can release 2 normal AAA titles with a better return on investment.

KZ2 has been in development for at least 5 years with an estimated development cost upwards of 60 million.

Halo 3 for example, was in development for 3 years with an estimated pricetag of 30million in development (not advertising etc.)

It just doesn't make sense from M$'s standpoint to spend that much money on something that's probably going to sell worse than a game that cost half as much and took half as long.

They'd probably rather spend money making something for their next console's launch than anything for the 360.

[CommonSense]

they say that about every exclusive

@masterg you're a ps fanboy, plain and simple. i wish i was one too so i could have more bubbles.

@fox01 you are absolutely right. just cuz their processor is "more advanced" (which i don't know to be tru) doesn't make the system more powerful. and if microsoft did spend it's money on big new IPs and real next gen engines instead of the sh!t unreal 3 engine, we'd see stuff just as good looking. unfortunately for me, i have a high end pc, so even killzone looks bad by comparison. as far as console goes, it looks pretty impressive though. but it doesn't look like anything you couldn't see on either console.

it's obvious this thread has a fanboy problem...bit of a plague really. but i'm down to one bubble anyway, so feel free to report me all day for having a different point of view.

edit: you know, sony does this with every exclusive. they hype it up so much it has no place to go but down. no game to date has lived up to the overwhelming hype generated by the fanboys and these websites. and the fact is, even though this game might be good, it's not going to be game of the year. and all this kz2 talk is detracting from the game that we should all (on all consoles) be looking forward to even more....Resident Evil 5.

preemptive edit: of course that's just my opinion

[cmrbe]

is just one factor, a minor one in the context of the console war. Sony won previous gens because they had the right mix of 2nd and 3rd party support on top of their all important 1st party studios.

This is where Nin and MS failed before and will again this gen. Nin and MS are on both the extreme. Nin has only its 1st parties to rely on but MS relies too heavily on their 3rd parties. Sony on the other hand enjoy both. Sony has more internal studios than MS and Nin combine. Last gen MS had a more powerful console. No one disputed this fact but the problem is MS only had a couple of 1st parties to really show what the xbox was capable of in titles like Halo and Fable. 3rd parties really didn't show the xbox's power for obvious reason and such power really didn't matter.

PS2 on the otherhand although inferior in terms of power. Sony could rely on their devs like ND, Santa Monica, Team Ico, Poly, Sony Liverpool etc to really push the PS2 to its limit on top of 3rd party support like Kojima, Square, EA, Activision etc.

Now this gen not only Sony has the more powerful machine but they also has the talent to really push the PS3 to provide us with gaming unseen before. This to me is what i am really am excited about and this is what Sony really was aiming this gen. Playing beyond.

[skimming]

I'm sure this will be a milestone game for PS3; many signs point that way. It'll be a lot more interesting to know why Sony thinks it can't be done on XBox. I'd be sorta curious to know.

If they can specify why commonly used workarounds (porting from PS3 to XBox) don't work on this game, then I'd be inclined to believe that this is more than just marketing gibberish. Otherwise, it's just fodder for fanboys' egos.

So far as I can see, the only games that aren't "possible" to port even with severe compromises are those Wii games, which when ported to non-motion based controller scheme, makes no sense at all; in other words, Wii Sports can't be ported to XBox or PS3 as the game would no longer possess any integrity. Any other games, is fair game.

If this game is only defined by xx frame/sec with yy concurrent graphic items per draw then it is already lost.

Sony should stop the idiotic console comparisons (probably their biggest untapped market is current Xbox owners, ala me) as it makes current Xbox owners pissed off (not to mention more defensive).

Never a good idea to piss off potential customers. Are you guys listening PS3 fanboys? :)

[xwabbit]

If gears2 almost maxed out the 360.... then... i really doubt they would be able to do this. You don't have to take my word for it, the 1 who created it said it lol.. starts with the C word

[Why dis]

Sony always says things like this. Nothing new.

Still waiting for 4D, 120fps and all 1080p games, I'll let the emotion engine pass.

[Karum]

Microsoft with a team of 150 and $50m would only result in DLC from a 3rd party publisher, not something like KZ2.

[cayal]

"Sony should stop the idiotic console comparisons (probably their biggest untapped market is current Xbox owners, ala me) as it makes current Xbox owners pissed off (not to mention more defensive)."

Microsoft are just as bad, if not worse.

[Sarcasm]

"Sony spends 50 million on a new engine and game in Killzone 2.

Microsoft spends 50 million on downloadable content for an overated and aging game (GTAIV) "

Fox got owned pretty bad.

And guess what will make it hurt even more. Killzone 3 will cost less to make and take half the time because the engine in Killzone 2 is already optimized. All they have to do, is optimize some more and focus on the game and story.

[majorsuave]

"Sony says PS3 only console powerful enough for Killzone 2"

I'd be curious to know on how many other consoles they are trying to port it.

If they say that only the PS3 has enough power it is because they have at least tried. But why SONY would spend money developing for the Wii or the 360 ?

And if they did not try, then assuming they are not powerful enough is a shot in the dark.

[gta2800]

"Because for that price/time they can release 2 normal AAA titles with a better return on investment."

Ah ha, well this is how I see it. Like someone said above. 360 is supposedly so easy to develop for. Has been out longer than the PS3, yet, microsoft hasn't matched anything close to Killzone 2. But why should they? Who cares about making games with groundbreaking tech, who cares about making games that will set the bar high for the industry, who cares about making games that will end up going down in the history books as the first game to do something innovative. I know who, Sony obviously does. Microsoft, not at all. Cause like you said, they rather release a few mediocre games, advertise them right and just make sure they sell and that's it. Props to Sony for this. Fan boys hate it, but in the long run you will benefit from this as well. Cause the other devs will have to step their game up to try and match killzone 2 or even surpass it, only meaning we all end up with good games. Even you guys, the 360 fan boys. Keep that in mind.

[The Mikester]

yeah i'm not really surprised with this.
the PS3 is the most powerful console of them all

[The Lazy One]

you don't need to spend a lot of money to do new things.

iD totally rethought the way textures are handled in games, got it running on at least 4 platforms, and Rage probably cost a lot less than Killzone 2. Gears of War, which is still high on the list of best looking games this gen, only cost 10 million in development. Crysis only cost $22 million or so.

[pain777pas]

Sony does have the best games this gen maybe not the most but overall they have the best just like last gen and the one before that LOL!!!!!!!!!!

[Lord Shuhei Yoshida]

The Playstation 3 is the only console capable of running Killzone 2 and Metal Gear Solid 4.The 360 is only capable of running Flop Human and Infinite Unfloppery at its highest capabilities.

I expect calm seas and blue skies for the PS3.

I expect more trips to the repair centers for the 360.

[ppisatosspot]

The Sh!tbox 3-Fix-Me can't even run FF13 at its highest capabilities it uses 6 to 10 discs.

[lociefer]

crashbox plz-fix-me cant even render the charcters models in kz2 !

[eelnats2000]

Relax a bit.
I know we are all excited for this awesome game, but the whole name calling is uneccessary.
That's why we have K2. It does the talking for us. LOL

HAPPY GAMING

[Sir Ken_Kutaragi]

I got out Bid by 'pp' on eBay the other day for that 'Killzone 2 Press kit'!!! ;-D
He keeps PM'in me saying it's the best thing ever!!!
And he/it said it looks cool next to every PS3/PS2/PSP&PS1 game ever made, that he has got in his Games Collection!!! ;-D

[CliffyBee]

The Failbox Fee Fix Me couldn't even understand the format for which this game is delivered on -

*Puts KZ2 disk in 360*
360 - "HUH?!?! WTF IS DAT LUL I IS TOO DUMB TO READ DIS DISk. GIEF DVD PLEASE!!!"

XD

KILLZONE 2 IS GONNA OWN

[NewZealander]

yeah all the name calling is sad guys, anyway do you have to believe EVERYTHING sony says?

if crysis can be doen on consoles then i dont see why killzone 2 cant be doen by 360, killzone does look good but it still has its flaws like every other game, namely the textures look a bit off in places.

[n4gzz]

I like PS3 but I don't like PR talk period.

[Capt CHAOS]

bubbles.

[thereapersson]

I agree -- PR talk really just incites all the fanboys. It's better to advertise your games and let the software speak for the console itself, rather than a suit with the ability to let themselves be heard.

[I_LOVE_MYSELF]

The visuals are amazing and it is a very impressive thing to see on consoles... If the gameplay is as good then I will have a hell of a lot to keep me entertained... Not the best looking game I have seen... I believe art >>> realism and find Wind Waker to be the best looking game EVAR!... BUT KZ2 has to be "technically speaking" the best looking game...

There I said it (typed it)... If the game sucks (like I think it will) I will just trade it for VC so no worries for me :-)

I may see you guys online

[thor]

You think it will suck?

Have you not read the previews and reviews?

With all due respect, I believe you are seeing that they've pulled off a technical wonder with the graphics and so you think the gameplay isn't up to scratch. That notion has been debunked. You know what, I would go so far as to say that the hype would still be huge even if the graphics weren't as amazing. A game that "sucks" does NOT get 10/10 and 9/10 reviews - in the worst case at least those reviewers thought it was awesome, and other people disagree. In the opinion of every reviewer so far, Killzone 2 is a fantastic game.

I've NEVER seen anybody saying it will suck; the worst they can say is that it's "no better" than CoD and they point out occasional flaws, which every game has. To say that it will probably suck is a trolling exaggeration. It might not be as good as the hype, but the reviews are trickling in, and what we DO know is that Killzone 2 is AT LEAST a "good" game.

[MURKERR]

he talks like anyone cares what he thinks,his always trolling its best to just ignore him

[I_LOVE_MYSELF]

Find where I said Killzone2 sucks because I never said it does... I expect it to since KZ1 wasnt so hot... I look forward to sequels of good games... Not crappy games... Anyway im getting the damn game and deciding for myself before I read any reviews...

Bottom line the only way the Killzone franchise is gonna redeem itelf for me (me personally) is to amaze me on day 1 when I play it... Until then I dont give a rats ass what any PS3 fanboy on this site has to say

[Mr_Bun]

You have a short memory:
"If the game sucks (like I think it will)"

Technically you can't say "It sucks", because you haven't played the game...I also find it amusing that you would claim that you don't give a "rat's ass" about what people think, considering you felt the need to post.

[MURKERR]

honestly i dont even think he has a ps3, noones saying he should bow to hype but he spews negativity constantly whenever i see him post (look up his even calling people 'fanboys')but stranegly enough i dont recal him doin this in 360 news ..hmmmmmm

[I_LOVE_MYSELF]

Bun can you not read?

Thinking something will suck and something actually sucking are totally different... So technically I didnt say the game ever sucked... L2 read plix

Murk I dont think you have a PS3 lol

GametimeUK

my psn

(edit) @below... well why say I have a short memory basically hinting that I said the game sucked in the first place? grow up you was wrong... take it like a man

Gametime UK

my xbl

[Mr_Bun]

You clearly missed my point...I said that you CAN'T say it (I am well aware that you DIDN'T), because doing so would insinuate that you have played the final build...which you haven't.

Murker...he doesn't bash the 360 or anything Xbox related, yet loves to throw his PSN ID around (which you don't need a PS3 to obtain). He sure loves to post his negative bias a lot for someone who claims doesn't care about what others think.

@Above:

You telling me to "grow up" is hilarious, not just for accusing me of being wrong, and not just for using "you was wrong", but also for failing to read...I am now wondering if you have someone typing out your responses after having read the comments to you, as you are clearly uneducated.

Maybe you should reserve your posts for when you have something intelligent to add.

[thenickel]

Just save your opinion because these fools will believe and praise anything from Sony. The 1st game sucked and more than likely the 2nd will too for console unless they have a different team making it. Also the visuals are not even that freaking amazing and the memory sucks with debris and everything simply vanishing right before your eyes. Now the game could turn out better than the 1st but attacking people just because they view things different based on history of GG is silly. Non of the Sony fanboys had a problem talking down Halo3 and now a few talk down KZ2 and get attacked. Prepare for a slap in the face when this game comes out and then maybe then you people will shut up with the PS3 is more powerful crap.

[Groo]

I'll be sure to let you know if it sucks when I'm playing it...

[solidjun5]

you're gamertime's brother? of course you are! you're his 360 fanboy buddy in arms right?

so because the first one sucked (according to you of course), you think the 2nd one will also. Wow, in that case, there was no need to play Halo since 'Oni' relatively sucked compared to Halo (I still liked the game), since it was made by the same developer. You're not going to play this game. You don't have a PS3 and you're persistent trolling is truly remarkable. But don't come up with opinions you deemed as fact because of your bleeping console allegiance!!

[gta2800]

The first Killzone didn't suck. Or at least not in some persons opinions. Not everyone has the same opinion. But I guess with your point of view, Call of Duty 4 sucked since Call of Duty 3 wasn't all that.

[Veneno]

Smart move, pal.

[smturner68]

So, your statement hold no water.

[Lord Shuhei Yoshida]

b b bbut teh PS3 HAZ NO GAMEZ!!111!!1!111

Killzowned once again,sheep xbots

[BLUR111]

you don't play games troll

[Lord Shuhei Yoshida]

Cry on bot,just cry on.

Don't you have an article to be in about games for the 360 in 2009?

...oh thats right XD

[lociefer]

LOOLLL lord killzoWned blur

[Mr_Zkaar]

I think i have just been KILLZONED! Again.

The days are going too slow....

[VMAN_01]

There will always different games as the best looking game for gamers. For me it happens to be Killzone 2 lol but this is REALISTICALLY the best looking game while I find a game like Prince of Persia(PS3,360) or Shadow of the Colossus as ARTISTICALLY the est looking games.

[miasma]

I agree VMan, i just finished POP, I thought the graphics were refreshing, same went form SOFTC. I like significant change. I personally don't want to see 'realism' in all games. However, BRING ON THE KILLZONE 2 BABY!

P.S. Bubbles for you...

[Sarcasm]

I agree with both of you that Art is very important. It's can almost be an illusion of "better" graphics sometimes. For example, many regard Gears of War some of the best graphics EVARRRR. But I'm sure a lot of that has to do with it's art design.

Other games are capable of sharp textures or even sharper, higher resolutions, better animations, etc. than Gears. Yet people still think Gears has the best graphics EVARRRR.

What I like about Killzone 2, is basically what one of the developer guy said. They're going for "exaggerated realism." Basically everything that could happen in real life, just exaggerated more since it's for a video game. Like explosions, or particles, etc. etc. Which to me, is why Killzone 2 looks so stunning. And top it off with it's gritty art design and technical breakthrough for the PS3 hardware, it's "full of win"

[yoghurt]

Wait a minute, I'm a subscriber to this mag, but i don't recall getting a 'holographic special edition helghast wallett'....

anyone else subscribe that didn't get the wallett with the mag in?

[Janitor]

Why is this in the PS3 section?
Shouldn't this be filed under "No Sh*t" ?

[Janitor]

Don't you mean "give me 50 million DVD9's"? Cause that's how many it will take for 10 million copies of a 360 Killzone 2

[MarkyUK]

^^

50 million only gets MS DLC. They'd need about 1 billion for a whole game.

[Janitor]

Isn't that a RAGE avi?
http://www.n4g.com/News-200...

[Helghast Slayer]

Killzone2 is the pinnacle of next gen. The game is so ahead of its time that the only game that will ever match it is another exclusive ps3 game in the future, or maybe when the 720 arrives lol. The 360 will never i repeat NEVER have a single game of this caliber(you can thank M$'s poor level of design).

We're at the point where if an xbot opens their mouth to say something retarded all I'll have to say is Killzone2. MAY THE CELL BE WITH YOU :)

[Capt CHAOS]

Maan.. I can't believe how much you guys are hyping this game up, great graphics and yet all I see are one or two enemies most of the time on screen. Empty screens with pretty displays to get the fanboys excited.

Unreal.

[lociefer]

ya but u like playing as a male pornstar named marcus pe.nis that shoots pixelated blocks and a master freak who likes to kill preteen aliens

[Torch]

"Maan.. I can't believe how much you guys are hyping this game up, great graphics and yet all I see are one or two enemies most of the time on screen. Empty screens with pretty displays to get the fanboys excited.

Unreal."

With no sarcasm intended, it's ironic that your aforementioned expressed opinion is VERBATIM to my own regarding the Gears of War franchise.

I struggled to keep enough of an interest to play through some of the first one, and I honestly just don't get it: Despite the pretty 'shininess' of the game, I just felt gameplay way too boring and uh, "empty", perhaps is the best way I can describe it.

Granted, it WAS the PC version, so I don't know if that would've made a difference (i.e., controller vs. mouse, etc.)

But it felt too much like: "Run, run, run...see an enemy, kill him...run, run, run...see another lone enemy, kill him...repeat, and repeat, and repeat.

I've yet to try Killzone 2 - and I am admittedly skeptical that it's not going to live up to the hype, I've YET to see any footage that portrays the game as 'empty.' On the contrary, it comes across as a non-stop adrenaline rush like I've never seen before in a video game.

Ironic that you ended your statement with the word 'Unreal.'

[Foxgod]

See first, then believe.
If they show Killzone 2 running on the 360, and it runs crap, then il believe them.

How am i supposed to believe something that cant be backed up with proof.
You cant even dissect the ps3 and the 360 from each other trough specs.
If a game requires a p4 2.6 ghz minimally, then its obviously it wont run on a p3 1ghz.

But how can you tell that when it comes to consoles ?
Its like apples and pears, so before making such bold statements, show how it actually runs on 360 hardware, then il believe them.

[thor]

Simply because of the way it works it couldn't run on the 360's hardware. Can the 360 produce games that are as good-looking as KZ2? We don't know, maybe it can't, but that's not the issue.

KZ2 utilises the SPUs to do its lighting calculations - and we know that the peak theoretical performance of the Cell is far higher than that of the Xenon. GG have probably said internally that the floating-point performance used and required by the game is higher than that offered by the Xenon. Clearly, were the game to be ported to the 360, it would not be a simple process anyway, and even then the floating-point performance would not be sufficient. If the game could somehow be reworked to put more strain on the GPU, and less on the CPU, it might not look the same, but it might be able to run on the 360. But then, the game would effectively be using a different engine.

The Killzone 2 engine would have to be adapted beyond recognition to work on Microsoft's console. Killzone 2 is, effectively, only possible on the PS3.

[Jdoki]

Yeah, I agree.

I own both consoles, and think the PS3 has the edge, but there's nothing about KZ2 that would make me say categorically that it could NEVER be done on a 360 (I might change my mind once actually play it though. :) )

Obviously the devs can give more insight in to how much processing power the graphics plus physics plus audio plus AI require.

But, as you stated Foxgod, it's always going to be an apples to pears comparison - plus it's not as if GG are going to come out and say "Y'know what, we could do this on the 360 easily" :) !!

[Foxgod]

Il sum up your story:
"KZ2 utilises the SPUs to do its lighting calculations
theoretical performance of the Cell is far higher than that of the Xenon
could somehow be reworked to put more strain on the GPU
The Killzone 2 engine would have to be adapted beyond recognition"

So in other words, theres no reason why only the PS3 is strong enough, and no way to proof it.
If they would build an 360 comptatible engine, it obviously would make use of the GPU.
There is no proof that only the ps3 can handle this, until they actually port it to a 360 optimised engine.

[thereapersson]

If you try to run Killzone 2 in a comparable state on the 360, it just wouldn't work. GG would seriously have to re-write their entire engine, because all the lighting and graphical effects are specifically designed around the PS3's SPU's. The deferred rendering techniques actually rely on each of the SPU's to distribute the rendering load evenly, which is why the game can have so much going on on a purely technical level and still run at a locked-steady 30 frames per second.

They'd have to write a completely different engine to even get it running on the 360, let alone running at the same level of performance. It probably wouldn't even look the same.

[Foxgod]

Thats the same as claiming that only the 360 is powerful enough to run GeOw2, because the unreal engine is more optimised for tri cores and gpu usage.

[crimsonfox]

show me a game on 360 thats out that looks anything close to killzone...the only game that comes close is gears and that games online sucks besides horde. that game loads textures after loading a map its stupid to think this game would work on 360 when gears is having a hard time already and i'm no dev but i bet 360 really cant pull those graphics physics or lighting all at the same time as well as killzone does period.

[thereapersson]

I think the tech in Killzone 2 and the tech in the Unreal Engine is comparable to the analogy with Apples and Oranges, IMO.

The amount of work that has gone into the deferred rendering engine that KZ 2 uses goes far beyond un-optimized texture loading / streaming, aliasing and over-saturated post-processing effects that the Unreal Engine is famous for.

Also, you know as well as I do that this is purely PR talk. I don't know why people are making such a big deal over it. Does the game look great to you and I? I think the answer is a resounding "yes", and should not detract from the fact that there are many great-looking XBOX 360 titles on the system as well.

[thor]

It's not a case of optimisation.

By "reworking the engine" I mean they have to change stuff. The way the lighting is handled would HAVE to change; it would have to be done in a more traditional way that the GPU can handle, and then it would not look so impressive. You certainly wouldn't have hundreds of dynamic lights per scene.

Because of the way it works, the engine is able to have a huge throughput of polygons; if you add in lighting to the GPU's calculations the 360's GPU - which is only marginally superior to the PS3's - you would have to cut corners and use bump/parallax mapping to achieve almost the same effect - but it wouldn't look as good. Even Gears 2 manages its graphical achievements through good use of textures and shaders and not so much poly count. Killzone 2 could not be run on a 360. Can a game that's just as good or even better looking run on the 360? Maybe - but it won't require the same resources as Killzone 2 does, and whether the graphics are better or not is subjective anyway in most cases.

[Jdoki]

I think you are just nitpicking here thor.

The engine GG have created is propriety to the the PS3 - so you are right in saying that in it's current form, KZ2 could not be done on the 360.

However, don't Rare also make their own engine?... So would you also say that Banjo Nuts and Bolts couldn't possibly be done on the PS3 because of the proprietry engine???

[thereapersson]

JDoki, you make a good point. I think until a developer actually gets their engine up and running on a platform, can you tell whether or not it's really possible on a system.

I know the Unreal Engine can run well on the PS3 if it's properly optimized. Unreal Tournament 3 is a prime example of this train of thought.

[thor]

Banjo Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts is possible on the PS3 whereas Killzone 2 is not possible on the 360. Why is that? Banjo doesn't use advanced deferred rendering techniques like Killzone 2. It doesn't make use of the slightly more powerful GPU in the same way the KZ2 makes use of the vastly more powerful Cell. Things like anti-aliasing can be cut down on the PS3 version. That alone is usually enough to enable games to run reasonably well. And sure, you can say that because it doesn't have as much anti-aliasing it's not capable of running it, but I think having a completely different and inferior lighting system is worse than doing without a little bit of AA. The same trick would not work with KZ2 because lightening the load on the GPU does nothing to lighten the load on the CPU which is the problem.

[Foxgod]

People with their advanced ligthing, any game whether its on ps3 or 360 can be done on both consoles and vice versa, get over it.

If they would optimise GeoW2 for the unreal engine on ps3 it would work, and same could be said about kz2 on the 360.

I think both consoles produce great gfx, and this whole BS about game a and x on y and z should be shot to limbo, where it belongs.

[beavis4play]

and the new, insomniac version on ps3 will be much better than the rare version.

[JHUX]

Well both companies like to throw around "this game is only possible on our console blah blah blah".

In this case it is somewhat believable, not by throwing specs around, but just by "common sense". So far KZ2 is the best looking game on all consoles by a large margin. Now take into account that the 360 has been out a year longer and there best looking game is gears2 (which isn't that huge of an update, some will say that it is the best graphics out right now which is fine, but it definitely isn't by much).

We all know it's not a money issue since Microsoft paid the same amount to buy DLC for GTA4 as Sony did for KZ2. Look at Halo3's budget. So if Microsoft wanted to really make a game that looked this good they definitely have the money to do so, but do you see them going much farther than where they are at now?

I think KZ2 will be a great game just from what I have seen so far, as long as gameplay is good. I like graphics, but gameplay needs to come first. From what I hear KZ2 pulls it off so that's what has me excited for this game.

Best graphics don't always mean best games so I don't know what 360 fans are so up tight about, because honestly I don't see the 360 ever becoming superior in graphics when it comes to exclusives. Multiplats are always going to try and be as close as possible to each other so one userbase isn't pissed off like ps3fans were back when EA were being the regular ol' douchebags they are (when it comes to sports games I hate EA just because they know people will buy their stuff so they do nothing to improve it). Thats my opinion though, and I would love for them to prove me wrong, but if it is possible for them then they need to not worry about buying up every timed exclusive game/demo/theme/etc... and MAKE GAMES.

[madpuppy]

that there are many plausible factors that would make one game not run on another system. the sheer size of the game for instance. Killzone looks to be a giant game. IF what was stated by others here about the size of each level (2gigs, I verified it on GG website). It very well may need to be on as many as 4 dvd9s. MS charges through the nose for every disc extra a game needs, possibly making it not worth releasing. that was why Media Molecule said that LBP couldn't be ported properly to the 360. the limitations of the DVD format.

[Mr PS3]

About A number of PS3 Exclusives
So i hate to say i told you BoTs so
But
I Told You So

[Neurotoxin]

Whats Killzone?

Sounds like a Chuck Norris film.

[Legendary-Status]

I dont see this running on the 360 all the real lights and lighting and stuff going on the screen... I havent play a game on the 360 with a lot of stuff going on at 1 time... I play gears 2 and all the locust on the screen ARE FAKE JUST PART OF A SCEAN...if the 360 try to attemp THIS MASTER PIECE..IT will explode like mine did with the RROD...PLUS KILLZONE'S useing the cell another reason y it cant be done... its not only the graphics that the 360 has to reach its the animation, number of stuff on screen, all the real lights,including every single helghast eyes witch r lights lighting, physics, all going on at once, so na dont see this happening on the 360...

[thereapersson]

You are the type of person who gives PS3 owners a bad name, just as people like PP and Power of Green give 360 owners a bad name. Quit the nonsense already...

[JHUX]

I cant tell if you really are just a ps3 fanboy, or you are being sarcastic making fun of ps3 fanboys.

[fatam69]

I need a company (not by the name of Sony to say this). If anything it would be the DVD not having enough room.

[getupahh]

why have they not done so yet?

They have a 1 year head start on sony. We should see comparable graphics on 360 now if both consoles are truly equal.

[fatam69]

When I actually play the game and see it in motion on my tv I will let you know because from screen shots it doesn't look that much better than say Call of Duty 4 or World at War or Gears of War.

[Legendary-Status]

and I aint given nobody a bad name Im just tellin you how it is from my point a view since I have both consoles...

[THC CELL]

killzone needs the credit man they have done the best

i mean this is not full power and i can call this game killzone 2 not like some 1.5 and 2.1 out there

@ PP below

60% nuff said really or is it
Uncharted 2 is stating they will use 100% of the power of Playstation

what game got full power from xbox ?
red faction lol i just wet myself lol that game is no where near as good looking as uncharted nor gears 2
Killzone is leaving other consoles for dust.
they are showing the real next gen like some other ps3 games i have seen not half baked Mpform games
cough call of duty cough

Killzone is getting compared with Crysis and winning
lol you fail pp
all us ps3 owners can say is we told you so

for the record this game cost less than halo 3
so what the hell is microsoft paying for exclusivity?

[jspc1989]

i think its halerious personally. i reali hate the word ''nerd'' but in this case im gona have to resort to it, because it seems like everyone here cares more about the fact that its running on a ps3 than the fact that its looking to be an awesome game.

seriously get over it, stop having an orgasm over a few computer chips, chillax and just enjoy it.

[Legendary-Status]

all I kno is I aint seen a game like this on a console in my life...speaking like a real war.. FEB 27 KILLZONE 2...ALL DAY

[Bathyj]

Yeah Killzone could be done on Xbox. Just like Halo 3 could be done on PS2.

I wouldn't look very good, or run very good, and it wouldn't be the same game. Killzone uses techniques no other game uses except Crysis.

Just admit that Killzone couldn't be done to the same quality as whats on PS3. It not a big deal. Most real gamers aren't rubbing your noses in it, we're just happy we have it.

Mark my words, Xbox360 will never, NEVER have a game that looks as good technically as Killzone for its whole lifecycle. The simple fact is, the bar has been raised , and XBox cant reach it.

[Legendary-Status]

xbox 360 has to pull a game out of there hat that can surrpass killzone 2... but rite now very unlikely due to the tech... lets see if ALAN can WAKE up and live up to the hype... but i dont think that will be Enough..

[THC CELL]

i agree i bet halo 123 can be done on ps2 and i can even bet halo 3 can be done on the first xbox

[gnothe1]

do you guys know game stop isn't even doing a midnight launch for this game. they told me there isn't enough pre orders to warrant a mid night opening!! that was 3 stores in this area all saying the same thing!!

[Bathyj]

Cos thats all we care about.

[JHUX]

thanks for confirming. this is obviously a flop!

[TheMART]

I still remember the hype surrounding Killzone 1

In the end it got an average 7 out of 10

Lets hope its not the same this time around...

2nd: why don't PS3 owners buy the exclusive IP's? With about 20 mln. users out there, why do LBP, Resistance 2 and Motorstorm 2 just sell over a million each? Especially with Christmas shopping/holidays?

I don't get that...

[thereapersson]

That's because the technology wasn't there to support the potential of the game. However, if you look past the technical flaws, you can still see that the groundwork for Killzone 2 is there. It has its problems, yes, but Killzone 1 was still an enjoyable game.

BTW, the only people who hyped it to be a "halo killer" were the gaming media pundits, not Sony.

Those games are all doing quite well, returning revenue to the respective studios:

Resistance 2: 2.91 million -- http://www.thesimexchange.c...
Little Big Planet: 3.36 million -- http://www.thesimexchange.c...
Motorstorm 2: 2.07 million -- http://www.thesimexchange.c...

I'd say for the developers, those games are doing quite well. You don't work for any of those companies, so none of this really applies to you, Mart.

[Torch]

Why do you Valiant Defenders of the 360 only seem to care about sales, where most other sane consumers leave the financial number-crunching to the corporate accountants?

I don't get that...

Oh, wait. Yes I do.

(Never mind silly ol' me; Carry on grasping at your futile straws.)

[twoface]

Well, who could ever know. Killzone 1 might have become a 10/10 game with some goodies bags and Helghan fries, well some other game did.

[twoface]

These days, games don't seem to be judged on fun alone. Hardware reliability no longer seems important.

Marketing whether proper or viral seems to be the order of the day. You can see that from viral marketing offsprings all over the internet.

[getupahh]

Shadow of the Colossus for one. You don't hear people talking about that game like it was a failure. It would have been easy to bash the sales of this game when you consider the amount of PS2s already sold. Yet it is a classic and ppl eagerly await a next gen sequel.

[Legendary-Status]

Harsh..LOL..

[Helghast Slayer]

Hey i'm just saying it like it is brother. The truth has got to be known. :)

[Ace_Pheonix]

I just think it's funny how fanboys argue, and how 360 fanboys really have no ground to argue on, yet somehow always come out 'on top'. It always starts with "The PS3 doesn't have any games, 360 has all the good exclusives" - which we all know is a moot point, to "This is all hyped up bull, it'll never be any good!" - a sad reach in desperation... then will go in one or two directions depended on said fanboys blind loyalty. A)"It'll get ported anyways / It's about time PS3 has gotten a game it's fans can play" or B)"I really hope this comes out on the 360!". Every time. In reality it's all pointless because the system we like depends on the type of games we like. I like games that make me think, I like games that play like a good book or movie. Therefore I really enjoy PS3s showcase titles. 360 fans are typical gamers who don't care about story, who don't want a game to make them think, they just want something to be all action, all the time fun. Which is great for them and I'm glad they have a system they can enjoy. JUST STOP BLEEDING YOUR IGNORANT **** DOWN MY THROAT AND COMMENT ON YOUR OWN **** CONSOLES PAGES! Neither of us are going to gain any ground on eachother in this pointless war, so just enjoy what you have. Converting any of us to your system is like trying to take us out of the city and establish us with a group of pigmies. We both like different things a lot. /End rant - sorry it's so long, but I feel better now

[Ethreon]

We knew it already.

[PirateThom]

If the 360 can run a game like Killzone 2... why haven't they done it?

Microsoft already admitted the PS3 to be more powerful because they damn well know it can't.

[Anon1974]

I've heard time and time again that "360 can do Uncharted," or "360 can do MGS4".
But it hasn't. The best looking game for the 360 was Gears of War which came out 2 years ago. The game that finally topped that after 2 years was Gears 2, and only slightly.

So if the 360 is capable of the type of excellent visuals we're getting used to on the PS3, where are they? I've owned a 360 for 3 years now and I don't see them. Did they come out and I missed them? Are they still being made, because I also don't see anything remotely close to K2 in the 360's future lineup. Where's the proof?

[jspc1989]

in fact i think the only people that are are the people on this site lol. funnily enough i dont buy a console to sit down and drool over it. Its common knowledge that done right the ps3 can do more - but its also common knowledge that what the 360 can do is more than satisfactory.

[TheMART]

@ therapersson

First off: those are forecasts, not actual sales.

Actual sales are just over a million. Where there for LBP are many bundle copies.

The highest rated PS3 exclusive sells so few copies to those many PS3 owners. That's a bad sign either way you want to twist it.

What my worrying is, is that I recently bought a PS3. But these reasonably low sales on these main IP's is worrying. It means that especially 3rd party developers will loose interest in the system as they sell a lot more on the 360. On the other hand, I have that system also, so I won't be left out of those games and support but still its sad.

Why don't PS3 owners buy games? It seems many PS3 owners are just movie fanatics playing BluRay movies.

[thereapersson]

Would you rather use VGChartz, which are also guestimated numbers? I wonder what the true numbers for any games are, considering I haven't seen a site which has concrete sales information.

At least the SimExchange is used by industry professionals to chart the movement of different industry sectors. I can't say the same about VGChartz; that site has been proven a farce many times.

You're right about PS3 owners needing to buy more games, but one makes me wonder why you complain so much about the system if you invested in one. You don't seem me complaining about the systems I own now, do you? I game on both the 360 and the PS3, however I prefer the PS3 more because I get more of a technologically-complete package out of it.

[ultimolu]

We knew that already Sony, lol.

[Fox01]

Just like you knew the PS3 could do 4D, 1080P/120Hz on every game

EDIT : PirateThom, uptill now, there's no game on the PS3 that can run at 1080p/120Hz, even Wipeout is 1080p/60Hz.

[PirateThom]

4D is the concept of effects of time, any console can do it, but no one thought to say it until Sony decided to use it as a marketing point.

Sony never said "every game", they said it would be capable of 1080p, 120fps. If even 1 game comes out and runs at 1080p/120fps, they haven't lied.

[ultimolu]

Oh, I'm sorry...did I strike a nerve there?

[xg-ei8ht]

Doomppday

`Give me 50 million budget and i can also make Killzone 2 on Xbox360 also with some color thrown in for free.'

You mean a tinge of colour, that all 360 games have, yes it's a ati hardware fault. within colour space values.

-----

FOX01

`Sony says PS3 only console powerful enough for Killzone 2
Sony says a lot of things, and truth isn't one of them. You guys remember "4D", "1080p/60Hz"...
Give the X360 a team of 150 people and $50M working on it non stop for four years and I'm pretty sure they'll make something at least as good as Killzone 2 if not better.

And BTW, X360's graphic card even more powerful than the one in the PS3, so that statement's just PR bullsh!t.'

There you go again with your complete and utter lack of understanding for anything technical.

PS3 is the complete rendering system.

CELL+RSX.

They work together in unison. Perfectly.

Your talk of how much it cost to make and how many people were involved in it.

You should reall look alittle closer to home.

The total cost to Microsoft for "Halo 3": a little more than $60 million. Development costs will probably be just above $30 million, given an elite team of 300 full-time artists and programmers working for three years on the game at Bungie, the internal Microsoft studio that created the games, said Michael Pachter, an analyst at Wedbush Morgan Securities. Bonuses to key developers and artists will probably add $25 million to the tab, Pachter said. Though about $15 million to $20 million in television marketing will be spent promoting the game, the majority will be footed by marketing partners such as Pepsi, Burger King and Pontiac that want to ride the "Halo 3" hype.

So Halo3 had at the very least 300 devs working on it. Cost anyway from $60milllon and up.

I rest my case.

[AngryHippo]

That is a fair statement, since the game looks graphically stunning and the production values are top class, with realistic death animations that make shooting things even more enjoyable. I have no doubt in my mind that the only console capable of handling this game is the PS3. Its been built from the ground up on the console and it definitely shows.

[Mr Marbles]

you guys said Sony doesn't talk smack? What happened to that?

Cuz this sounds like some smack talk to me, like someone said, you put 300 hundred developers on 360 and give them 150 million dollars and im sure they could not only do KZ2 on 360 they could probably do something far better.

Sony is just shooting their mouths off, when what they should be doing is putting together a decent ad campaign for the game.

[twoface]

They might, or they might not. To MS, the money seems better spent on DLCs. Well, enjoy your DLCs then

I do agree with your point that Sony needs to put in a decent ad campaign. This is the genre that captures the general public.

[cyrus228]

ms being the richest company cant dish anything out with high production values??? what was halo then? and my goodness halo 3 could have been done on the original xbox. if thats the most MS can offer with their infinite pockets thats sad.

not that halo sux, i love the game but technically its not amazing AT ALL. and ms put the most money in that game so just think bout it.

prob with ms is they rush everything!!! the 360 itself, the sequals of games, come on gears 3 announced the day gears 2 was released, the just push out games fast for more money. no good, no good, they should have a long dev time to make the game the best it could be.

[PirateThom]

Who told you Killzone 2 cost $150m to develop? Latest figures put it at $60m as of a year ago:

http://ps3.qj.net/Rumor-Kil...

Unless they more than doubled their development cost in a year, $150m is wrong. The budget of Killzone 2 is around the same as Metal Gear Solid 4.

Anyway, 360 developers have used this much money to make a game... the result was Too Human, which reportedly costs $80-100m to develop and is, well, crap.

[Magic_The_Celt]

Yah, tbh i dont think anything but the PS3 and a high end PC could run Killzone 3

[kewlkat007]

they got it done. We really do not know if the games was made for the 360 how it would of turned out.

Nothing is Impossible, you just have to work differently from the ground up and resort to tweaks.

Good PR talk nevertheless

[Morph1ous]

So Alan Wake should look and play much better right?

[cyrus228]

name any exclusive game on 360 that looks even close to killzone, uncharted, heavenly, mgs4 and heavy rain i could go on. the closest game is gears and gears still doesnt beat killzone even close

[Mr Marbles]

KZ2 looks no better than some of the 360 exclusives, but I could be wrong.

However, you need to keep in mind that Killzone was designed to show off the power of the PS3, Sony is pressuring its top developers to make games that prove "the power of the cell" The costs to develop these games is enormous, and Im certain Sony is footing a large portion of the bill.

MS has nothing to prove, games made for 360 are made to be done as quickly and as cheaply as possible, while still looking and playing well enough to satisfy the gaming community.

Bottom line, no one makes games on 360 with something to prove, PS3 games are made with graphics as a top priority, in an effort to justify the hype behind the "power" of the PS3; and KZ2 is the pinnacle of that reality

[twoface]

I do believe its money well-spent. The engines for both Uncharted and KZ2 could pave the way for future games and lower development costs.

Though it doesn't seem easy to top KZ2 right now, I think there's more to come from PS3 as developers get more comfortable with the hardware.

Oh, and about KZ2 graphics, remember the CGI trailer? Hardly anyone thought it was possible, and I think that proves something about the present graphics (even though you don't think so)

[PirateThom]

So, what Mr Marbles is basically saying here is that even if the 360 is capable of more than the PS3, he's happy to believe in this theoretical power andnever see it because of the costs, which I'm sure he's not paying for, so I'm not sure why he's worried.

For your next trick, you can get a gaming PC and play Peggle on it.

[dustgavin]

I think Mr. Marbles may have lost some.

Why would they develop a game that is "ok"? That is insulting to any game developer. I am sure they are trying to make the best game they can. The 360 is just not as powerful as the PS3. Something you should learn to accept.

[iEternal]

Screw the magazine, i want the wallet that comes with it.

KZ2 and PS3 FTW in '09. Better believe it.

[Ryuk]

Haha! Wat I find funny is that you hype this game to high hell...and you sony fans dont even buy your own games. Get ready for another sales flop; only on the ps3 LMFAO

[dustgavin]

Meanwhile.....you go play your new DLC. Have fun!

[Torch]

My God, are you ever ugly.

[dukadork2]

"Haha! Wat I find funny... bla bla bla..."
dude, we understand, here's a tear bucket and a box of kleenex

lol

[OGharryjoysticks]

Until there's a game out there that beats it they can say it.

[Mr Marbles]

but should they? According to most of you guys, when a company does something better than it's competition, they are sleazy scum bags to actually point it out.

Remember? Everytime MS points out something they are doing better than Sony you guys all say they are the anti Christ for doing so. So whats up with that? which one is it, celebrate your successes or STFU? which should these companies be doing? You guys need to make up your minds.

OR just maybe you have a double standard??? and thus should be ignored by anyone with a brain larger than a pea?

@below, well that is why I am asking, should I just be ignoring everything you guys say? Are you all just hopelessly biased, and living by a double standard? I'm just asking, cuz if your serious then please explain why its OK for Sony to boast, and not MS.

[twoface]

You do realize you are responding vehemently. Giving you the benefit of doubt, I believe your brain size is bigger than a pea as most humans'.

And so, you should be able to see the difference between marketing and viral marketing. What most ppl are up against is viral marketing I guess.

@above : Boasting (or rather stating your advantages over your competition) is definitely part of marketing. It is not wrong for either MS nor any other companies to do it.
It's just the way it is done. You can't say the FUD marketing has not been honed into an art by MS (though others practice it too). This has become synonymous with MS, and is part of their image, their brand.
This is part of their marketing style, and this pisses some ppl off. All imo though.
Well anyway, hope you get to enjoy KZ2 on PS3 eventually, like I plan to get 360 one of these days if they continue exclusivity on KOTOR series

[OGharryjoysticks]

You need to cool out. Saying stuff like " maybe you have a double standard??? " is wrong. I never said nothing like what your saying and you can do what you want and generalize people but don't go putting it under my comment like you're talking to me. I take your comment as being rude.

[dustgavin]

People can say all they want, but the 360 has been out a full year ahead of Sony and just cannot keep up in visuals. Developers have just started to unlock the potential of the PS3 and it is starting to show.

I firmly believe that the Ps3 is in a league of it's own and will be the console that has the longest staying power.

[Mr Marbles]

I have looked at a bunch of KZ2 footage, then I look at COD4 footage, not much of a difference in graphics.

I think you guys are confusing stuff on screen and fluid motion with graphical appearance. KZ2 arguably runs smoother with more stuff happening on screen, ARGUABLY. But flat out appearance wise, it looks no better than COD4.

[man0fsteel]

biased blind

[Dark General]

I have CoD4 and it doesn't look THAT great. I also have a 720p video of Killzone 2 on my Ps3. Take a guess at which one looks better.

Hint: The number at the end of which one looks better is less than 4.

[Hercules]

does that mean no killzone2 for the pc?

[retro]

you'd expect twice Gears of War graphics, story, BIGGER explosions and greater multiplayer gameplayer, right?

I can't hear the whole "look at how big our p*nis is on paper" - all I see: most of the time multiplatform titles look significantly better on Xbox 360... so what's the problem?

[genesis013185]

Listen for anyone who actually believe's that Killzone 2 can actually be done on the 360, listen take a deep breath, relax and come to the realization that it can't happen, it won't happen, there will never be a Killzone of any kind on the 360. Just wont happen! This chatter is useless. If you want to play Killzone 2 get the system (the only system)that has it, and we all know which one it is.

IMO, remember this is just my opinion. The PS3 can do anything thing the 360 can do...wanna know why, simple fact, the PS3 has more power! Period. End of subject. Your precious Gears can be done on the PS3 easily and if optimized for it. It might look better and play better, especially online. That needs to run a little smoother. Guys just get over it. You knew it was coming, you saw all the sign's and now it's almost here. You had your time with Gears, but now the PS3 is showing it's power. My advice to you guys...quit envying and just go ahead and hop on board. I won't blame you...

[Strikepackage Bravo]

YOU?

Looks like you have read too many Sony PR releases, its plenty of evidence out there that says PS3 is not more powerful, do some research.

PS3 cant even run unreal 3. PS3 is optimized for Bluray and folding@home, not games.

[twoface]

Nope, PS3 is optimized for me and 360 (or whichever console you own) is optimized for you

[xg-ei8ht]

DoomPPday - Your pic is quite funny.

Shows the newest engine from carmack, yet that engine runs and looks better on PS3. Already stated by carmack.

You just killzowned yourself.

[Lawliet]

It doesn't matter what the PR or the media trying to say about KillZone2. I made up my mind long before that I'd be getting KillZone2. Once my mind is set it is set. Neither the PR nor the media going to change my decision.

[BMS84]

Yes, The PS3 had a a little trouble in the start but it will definettely change , with this kind of games , i think a lot of people who own a 360 are now f****g jealous and post here crap and
@ Retro, yes the multiplatforms look even on the Xbox360 and PS 3 .. but now there are more exclusives coming and the multiplatforms looks even because they were designed in a another way... MGS4 was the first exclusive and it is one of the best games... Killzone is will show what power can do.

[dkgshiz]

Just like MGS4,GT5P,Uncharted. If anyone thinks this could run on the 360. Your a douche.

[devilhunterx]

Xmens are trying hard to spin like a yoyo. Trying and failing as usual.

[RAM MAGNUMS]

why dont people buy sony exclusives?

from what i gather there isnt just one exclusive to buy now is there?

people did buy ps3 esclusives along with the other multiplatform games that came out in competition with eachother.

wow, can you believe it? sony said it was the year of the software and they dumped a truckload on us in 2008. im still in a state of shock, arent you?

LOL!
Xbums lose again!

[Helghast Slayer]

You see the thing is the xbots are quick to jump on any game that comes out on the 360 because they don't have variety. The ps3 on the other is full of variety. Many people often buy what genre they like best then move onto the nest that might interest them thus enabling sales to be spread out evenly across all genres.

If yo put LBP, Motorstorm 2 and R2 sales together it easily beats out Gears 2 or any other 360 exclusive. This is what these narrow minded xbots don't see.

[yojoe26]

Xbox fans are totally ticked this week after this article stating that their beloved "box" can't do next gen games like Killzone2, and that other article about the Mass Effect trilogy/franchise coming to PS3. This week does not bode well for PS3 gamers. We get two articles on here that actually FAVOR the PS3 and all the xbox boys go nuts. They're thinking "Wait a minute this isn't right! The media is not supposed to publish articles that say good things about the PS3! What?! What do they mean Xbox can't run Killzone? But, but, but!! Xbox sells more!! And, and....it has all this DLC!!!" * Sniff.....sniff*

Grow up boys. Xbox has great games like gears of war that we PS3 gamers will never play anywhere except Xbox. So why can't you just face the fact that PS3 gamers are going to have incredible titles that you can't play either without getting a PS3. It's not that big of a deal. I live a very happy life not playing Halo and Gears of War so you can live without Killzone and Uncharted and such.

[madpuppy]

you own both consoles, then it is a win-win situation.

[Mozef]

Yes I agree, plus positive bobble for you

[Strikepackage Bravo]

I just got a 360 not long ago, so there are a LOT of great games I have yet to play on the console, I don't really feel any jealousy or envy of those who get to play Killzone2 on PS3. I just have too much to keep me occupied.

And I used to be a huge PS3 fan, so I dont think too many 360 fans care one way or the other, not like they got nothing to do on their console.

If you're new to next gen gaming like me, 360 still has far more to offer, even Dead Rising is a new release from my point of view, plus it's way less than 60 dollars. My late to the party @ss still hasn't even played COD2 and Crackdown LOL :)

[anubis12]

but it cant handle the framerate for skate 2....sad

KZ2 will still be bad ass

[PirateThom]

And the 360 can't handle the framerate or texture loading of Mass Effect and it was an exclusive title running Unreal Engine III.

But, I tend not to judge consoles based on their faults, but their strengths.

[smurfie4]

"Give me 50million and I could run this game on 360." That is complete and utter bullsh!t. I guess If I gave you the cell processor that would help as well? Maybe I should give you the spu's too. lol. Do you know why Killzone 2 costs so much? Because Guerilla is using a proprietary engine built from the ground up to run the game. Gears 2 already had the Unreal engine established which is why it didn't cost as much. So it can't be done on the 360(at least in its current form) because its optimized for ps3.

[HDgamer]

If you gave that guy 50 million, it will run on the 360 once he sits his ps3 on top of it. Because with 50 million, half of it will give him 10 year long process to learn how to make video games, the other half will be used for BS.

[user3915800]

Facts the ps3 = poop and the only one that can run it, because its exclusive nothing else morons.

Hype hype hype = flop, flop, flop another worthless ps3 crap now go on and leak my avatar.

[gnothe1]

there's no doubt that KZ2 looks good, but come on guys, don't you think your taking this a little to far. how can you definitly say that KZ2 couldn't be done on the 360. the ONLY problem I THINK they would have would be space, other than that, system performance it can be done. just like somebody mentioned that carmack stated that the PS3 version of rage would look better, that wasn't because the SYSTEM counldt produce better, it was because they didn't wanna spread the game out onto a 3rd disc therefore resulting in over compressed lower quality textures. so that was a fault of SPACE an not system ability!!

an last thing, why do you guys keep trying to say uncharted looks better than everything on the 360, uncharted looks good, but its not the best an not even close. answer this, why at E3 when all the games were getting nominated for best graphics uncharted was nowhere in site, because the game just isn't that top flight graphical monster you guys keep trying to make it out to be!!
http://image.com.com/gamesp...
http://image.com.com/gamesp...

an here's gears 1, there's no need for gears 2, just look at the character detail, an that says enough right there!!

http://www.gamespot.com/pag...
http://www.gamespot.com/pag...

[Breitsch_Nieden]

it tells me that gears can't keep up with drake in that compartment. maybe the gears shots are crap but i honestly think the character models look better in drake's fortune

[Yomiro]

It is useless to resist killzone 2

[Boink]

then release the code to MS to see if they can make it play on the 360. time to put up or shut up.

[Graphics Whore]

How does your statement make sense? Microsoft had the chance, a $60,000,000 chance and never did it. Not to mention Xbox 360 is going on its fourth year and PS3 is going on its third. If it could be done it would have already been done.

[moogyboy]

When I played the beta, felt that while KZ2 did look good, it was very sluggish compared to say COD4/5 (much like MGO) so it didn't really grab me. I don't think I'll be picking it up.

And another thing, why do you think it is that Sony claim pretty much EVERY PS3 exclusive could never run on a 360? (Console envy anyone?) We got fed the same crap with Sony's last "big" exclusive LPB (another over hyped disappointment of game)and that's apparently going to PSP - nobody can seriously claim that the PSP is more powerful than a 360!!!

Much as I love my PS3, I learned a long time ago that Sony thinks we are all retards and will try to feed us any BS they can.

[yojoe26]

I don't know what you are talking about but LittleBigPlanet was and still is a complete success. People like you are waayyy too into sales numbers apparently because this game has received critical acclaim both by players and media alike. This game is going to PSP you are right, but if you had done any research at all you would know that they said the game would in no way at all be as robust and have the same level of depth as the PS3 version. Sony has delivered on every one of their first and second party exclusives when it comes to the quality of the games themselves. However, you must equate ten million in sales=great game so if you are going to say that then go buy Wii Fit and tell me how that compares to the likes of LittleBigPlanet and Resistance 2.

Edit: @ Below. Nobody every said those games couldn't be done on any other system. Show me where you get that info. Those games when multiplatform EARLY in their development as well so they had plenty of time to optimize them for both platforms. Lair was not a bad game at all. just had control issues that have been fixed. I don't even know what the heck FNR3 is.

[HDgamer]

Thats Bull and you know it, don't say "WE" when it's obviously it's just "YOU". LBP is a very good game, it's gotten game of the year, tons of levels online that surpass the story mode in the game and with an editor to let you make very good levels. You didn't play that game at all because only a selfish fanboy would go by the numbers and claim it's not a good game. Killzone 2, well let's just look at this marvelous game. It looks good just like crysis, both animations and the models are beyond what a console and pc have done in years. I've never seen that on a console before, if you have show us where it is on the xbox 360. It's not there so you have to face the reality. Little big planet is another example of these community games that aren't out there on consoles, show us a game like this with ease of creativity to the complexity of skilled level creator brought on consoles. Please show us where is this game no other than little big planet. I guess you learned a long time ago that you only play video games by the sales of it instead of the actual replayability and the fun that it brings.

[YeOldeGamer]

...but you said the same thing about Assassin's Creed, DMC4, Lair, FNR3....

[Big Frank]

Why do PS3 Fantards keep going on about graphics being so important? Desperation thats why, because at the end of the day it's very unlikely Killzone will surpass Gears' gameplay.

Gameplay is what it's all about folks. KZ2 might look better than gears and Halo, but will it play better. Lets wait and see.

You fantards better hope this game lives up to the hpye. If it doesn't, get the hell out of this website.

[gersh]

Why do PS3 Fantards keep going on about graphics being so important? Desperation thats why, because at the end of the day it's very likely Killzone will surpass Gears' gameplay.

Gameplay is what it's all about folks. KZ2 looks better than gears and Halo, but it will play better. Lets wait and see.

You fantards better hope this game lives up to the hpye. When it does, I'll get the hell out of this website.

[Breitsch_Nieden]

bubble for gersh...

[yojoe26]

Look at your 2009 lineup and then get back with me on "desperation."

Why do you compare Killzone to Gears? I don't recall anybody saying they were trying to compete with Gears of War on this game. Sony and Guerilla Games are just trying to create a game that stands on it's own as an incredible gaming experience. They are trying to create a defining PS3 EXPERIENCE. Not match what the 360 has. Sony is creating it's own set of original IP's not just buying every IP that the competition has (like Microsoft has been doing.) I don't care how much you people slam Sony they are still doing more to grow the industry than Microsoft or Ninendo. They are creating new IP's just as quick as Microsoft can buy up their old ones. They are growing this industry through Innovation, original IPs, and fresh ideas. I think if Microsoft would take more of this kind of approach instead of throwing money everywhere to try to win the console war things would be better. I want to see all three of these companies grow the industry and offer their own fresh ideas. Say what you want, but Sony has been doing this much more this generation than the other guys and I applaude them for that. It is this strategy that will result in greater games and innovation.

[Big Frank]

@Vojoe26

LOL you obviously are a fantard and not very clever aren't you.

"Why do you compare Killzone to Gears?"

Because thats what the fantards are doing. They are both exclusives and current graphical ambassadors for the consoles.

"Sony and Guerilla Games are just trying to create a game that stands on it's own as an incredible gaming experience"

That was a pathetic attempt to hype the game. How will it stand on its own? Its just another FPS just with really good graphics. Brings nothing new to the table

"They are trying to create a defining PS3 EXPERIENCE. Not match what the 360 has"

What? Make it defining because of the graphics? Thats very shallow. Real gamers care about gameplay. As i said we will have to wait and see if its gameplay can eclipse Gears and Halo.

"Sony is creating it's own set of original IP's not just buying every IP that the competition has (like Microsoft has been doing.)"

So?!?!?! Who cares about that!!?!? Im not a fanboy. Im a consumer and a gamer. I will buy the console with the best games no matter how they achieved them.

" don't care how much you people slam Sony they are still doing more to grow the industry than Microsoft or Ninendo"

LOl!!!!! You are delusional. Doing more for gaming you say? Is that why they released a sub par online service, no rumble support, no achievements? Well they looked to MS for inspiration on how to fix that.

"They are growing this industry through Innovation, original IPs, and fresh ideas"

Delusional again.

"I want to see all three of these companies grow the industry and offer their own fresh ideas"

No you dont, you just want Sony to succeed.

"Look at your 2009 lineup and then get back with me on "desperation."

You see the difference is im not a fantard and have easy access to a PS3(it's not mine but my housemates). And besides is the PS3s really that much better? It's defining moment will be KZ2 but thats going to be pissed all over by Operation Flashpoint 2 anyway and it will be the real defining moment for FPS' this generation. Have you heard of it? Probably not, it never came out on the PS.

You need to get you head out of you know what boy.

[FadeToBlack]

Arguing about which system has more power or better graphics is really pointless. I've own both systems for a long time now and the differences are so small either way its not worth the discussion.

[strickers]

I am amazed that when finally Sonys boasts are proved correct,that so many 360 fans make fools of themselves by spouting utter nonsense.If this could be done on the much easier to program,more familar to devs,longer on the market console by the most cash rich company on the planet then it would be by now.Talking about GPU vs GPU is like putting car vs car round a track based on the engine not actually testing them.The test results are now coming in on these consoles and the 360(which I also own)has lost by a margin.Since launch my 360 has seen great games(loving L4D)but from a tech point of view KZ2,Uncharted 2,Heavy Rain and GT5 all look superior to any equivalent 360 game.Please stop fooling,and making fools of yourselves.

[yojoe26]

I'm not usually one that likes to get involved in arguments, but today is my day off so I have more time to kill.

First of all, you don't have but two bubbles so that tells me that people really do wish that they not have to read your statements. I don't have time to answer all of your rants against me, but let me just say first of all that yes, you are right about me wanting Sony to exceed this generation. I grew up playing playstation and I love the system and the way sony does things very much. Is that such a bad thing? Secondly, I do not like Microsoft. There I said it. But is that so terrible either? It's not like I am declaring war on another country or anything I just don't like their business tactics. No it's not because of the 360. It started WAY before the 360 with their Windows operating systems. Long story short I'm not fond of it.
Since you delight and insist on calling me a "fantard" (which very much makes me think you are an arrogant, immature sixteen-year old for using such a comically juvenile term) I will just say this: I like companies who innovate and try to evolve and grow industries. Yes Microsoft handedly plowed the way for online gaming in the console industry which is an acheivement I applaud them for. They also created the defining console shooter by which all other shooters are compared. That too, I applaud them for.
However, they have since, like many companies do, gotten arrogant and "comfortable" with where they are at. Look at their actions recently. They have spent more of their time and money buying IPs that belong to Sony, and "borrowing" (for lack of a better term) ideas from the other companies rather than coming up with their own ideas and new IPs. They have dissolved many of their first party studios that were creating new IPs telling me that they are satisfied in stealing whatever IPs the competition has.
I know and you know that Sony made some mistakes. You mention the rumble, their "sub-par" online service, and acheivements all of which have been fixed. Microsoft was the first to introduce acheivements so I will give you that. They did indeed look to Microsoft on that. Their online service, however, using many new ideas (home).
Finally, you are quick to point out Sony's mistakes which, I repeat, have ALL been fixed. How about Microsofts RROD issue? It's been three years now buddy and it is STILL very much present. Microsoft continues to say that with each new model it is fixed but it is not. How do you explain that? Until Microsoft gets the basic necessity of creating a device that actually works down I am not inclined to give them credit for ANYTHING they may do right.

[BMS84]

The PS3 is way more powerful, yeah people buy the360.. thinking o the multiplayer versions look the same... but when they start to develop a game special for the PS3 , the true power will be shown .. and K2 is probably the first strike towards the 360...

And 360 fb , please don t come up with the dumb story that the 360 gpu is faster , becuase the PS 3 works diffirent with cell/RSX/7 processors , i ve explained a couple of times , the 360 is less powerful than the PS3 and K2 will never come to the 360.

[Guardian Hope]

Killzone 2 looks like the best next-gen game coming out (in the perceivable future). But, there is no way in Hell that the PS3 is the only console that can do produce graphics that good, unless, you want it all on one disc, than DVD9 fails on epic proportions.

Here's why (NOTICE: Lots of Tech. wording):

Xbox 360's Xenos are more powerful then the RSX + Cell. This however, may change in the future and I'll explain further down in this paragraph. Currently, the Xenos has a maximum pixel fill rate of 4 gigapixels per second, z sample rate of 8 gigasamples per second (32 gigasamples with 4x anti-aliasing) and a maximum anti-aliasing rate of 16 gigasamples per second. Furthermore, the ATI Xenos in the Xbox 360 have a maximum polygon count of 500 million per a second. However, that is about where the ends of the ATI Xenos' advantage is. The slower clock speed on the Xenos is made up for with the higher memory bandwidth in the Xbox 360, far exceeding all it's competitors (Which is a surprise). At the current moment, RSX + Cell can only produce below 500 million polygons per second with a theoretical maximum of 533 million - in essence, it hasn't been achieved. The maximum pixel fill rate is 4.4 gigapixels theoretically and again, hasn't been achieved, while the maximum z sample rate is 8 gigasamples and the maximum anti-aliasing rate is 8 gigasamples.

Of course, there are other factors that play in too the factor of a beautiful High-Definition Rendering in a video game that would make people say 'wow' like they did when games like Metal Gear Solid 4 and Gears of War were released, but in the current standpoint, the Xbox 360 can produce superior graphics then the Playstation 3. It's possible, that some day, since the system was designed for the long term, that the Playstation 3 will finally achieve it's theoretical output (And I look forward to that day), it seems that the graphics of next-gen (multi-platforms) could be hindered by the Playstation 3.

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Yeah, that's a slap in the face for the fanboys and the Playstation PR. So, yes, Killzone 2 is the best damn looking game to date on a console, but it most certainly can be done on the Xbox 360. And it should also be noted that the Xbox 360 does have a higher memory bandwidth performance than the Playstation 3...sadly.

Will the Playstation 3 eventually have games that can't be done on the Xbox 360, it is most certainly possible, but that has yet to be achieved, even with Killzone 2.

[n4gno]

Really funny (but technicly out of course)

even gt5, ratchet and clank, mgs4, etc and off course killzone can't be done the same way.

if i'm wrong, where are that kind of graphics/games ?

[Dr_Nefarious]

Oh boy here we go again. Man who cares about the specs when they were obviously created to get hits. Also I owuld like to point out your article is false. Does the word shared pipelines, shared memory come to mind or have you ever heard of the 360 having anything shared? Think about it buddy and then take those figures you just did and divide them with a hefty 25% (which is way to much) and you will get a closer figure of your 360 specs. Example: at 48 pipelines the 360 gpu can do 500 million polys, but if all the pipelines are used up what else can it do? Nothing, absolutely nothing but polys because polys are using all 48 pipelines and thats all you would ever get on the screen so once again if you divide into 25% (60 million polys) which would be 12 pipelines then you would have 36 to do with whatever you want. Peace out and Enjoy

[yojoe26]

"Fanboy." There goes another one of those terms I just love to hear. /sarcasm/ Why on earth do I care that Sony is continuing to make new IPs and Microsoft is content to buy all of theirs rather than make new ones? I will give you a second to think about it there wizard.....BECAUSE I DON"T WANT TO PLAY THE SAME FRANCHISES FOR ALL OF ETERNITY!!!!!!!!!! How thick-skulled can you be??? Good grief....

I have to say when it comes to Home, I am not the least bit interested. If I want to go shopping or meet new people or play pool, I will just do that in the real world, with real people, and spend time with my real wife and family. Complete waste of time in my eyes. However, I do know that there are some people out there who really do enjoy it. As for the Second Life thing, I don't even know what that is, so you're probably right about that one since I am ignorant as to what that is.

I am through arguing with you. You seem to think that I am all about loving particular companies and praising them with all my being. You are wrong, buddy. I am a jazz pianist who is married, has a big family, works in a college music department, and does not have a whole lot of time to play games except at night and on weekends. I like to get on gaming sites as well just to stay in the loop in the videogame realm. Maybe you don't, but when I shop for things like electronics and such I do research the company AND the product to get an idea of what I am getting myself into. I don't make oogles of money so I have to make the wisest choice from not only a gaming standpoint, but from a financial standpoint. Therefore, Sony (has a pretty stellar reputation for quality) and their console (has a very stellar gaming history) has gotten my vote for the last three generations. I know Sony hasn't had perfect reliability, but failure rates have never risen above ten to fifteen percent and when they did they fixed it within about a year or so. Maybe you don't think it is important to research a company's reputation for quality and good business ethics, but in the end these two factors are going to have a BIG influence on their products. If you don't at least agree with that, then you are completely confused.

I am not trying to change peoples opinions about which console is better. Time is of WAY more importance than to spend it doing that. I simply tell it the way I see it and if that ruffles your feathers, then.....well.....get over it. This is videogames we are discussing, not world hunger...

[Groo]

Why would any of you need need to debate over this article if you own both consoles?

[xg-ei8ht]

Ok ok,

There's two reason's why the way killzone2 can't be done on 360.

1)Processing power. When all spu's are harnished, it's alittle faster that a intel quad core. Notice how much physics are going on, debris,etc.Kinda like crysis? How much processing power does crysis need. Well you know that one already.

2)Space.

The game is totally streamed and at 2.3gb per level, you'd be changing alot of discs.

[terrandragon]

That's because Killzone 2 can't optimize very well.

[dustgavin]

That was kinda......dumb.

[n4gno]

"just cuz their processor is "more advanced" (which i don't know to be tru) doesn't make the system more powerful." = lol
"you know, sony does this with every exclusive. they hype it up so much it has no place to go but down. no game to date has lived up to the overwhelming hype generated by the fanboys and these websites." = lol2

and "it's obvious this thread has a fanboy problem"

Yes, obviously fanboys like you are a real problem (just try to inform you a little bit, cell is a monster used for science, etc, and better exclusives 2008 = sony, just look at the reviews and scoring)

[darthv72]

You have to figure the main programming was done on pc first and then refined for the ps3 hardware design. Generally...almost all games are created initially on something else then finalized on whatever platform they are to be released.

If given the same amount of development time it is likely that GG could do the same type of game for the 360. The 360 and ps3 are so close in performance it shames me to see so many people miss that and take pot shots at one side or the other. I have not seen anything on the ps3 that could not be duplicated within the 360 specifications and vice versa.

The only reason the ps3 is powerful enough is because it has sony's $$$ spent all over it for development. Plain and simple. You could say the reason gears is only for 360 is because it has their $$$ all over it. Point is kz2 is a big game with lots of hype generated by the fans (not so much the marketing dept) and so the ones to really lose out would be those who's personal expectations are not satisfied.

There are many who said halo 3 was overhyped. Generally they are the ones who had personal expectations set above a reasonable level. My expectations were met on many levels. Story being the main but graphically I wanted it to look better than halo 2 and it did. It had better sound than halo 2. It had better closure than halo 2. It answered questions left open in halo 2. So my personal expectations were met. I am sorry that many wanted more than what was offered.

I don't want to be let down by any game which is why I don't buy into the hype others throw around. I try to reserve myself for when I get my chance to play it. I will get my chance to taste it on Feb 5th when my preorder card becomes active.

In the end, both systems could learn allot from each other as could the fans.

[thewhoopimen]

I'd say you'd be the fool if you believed what you just spouted. Which company has the bigger pot of gold in their pockets? MS has buttloads of cash compared even to Sony. The proof is in the pudding. If MS can't churn out something better than Killzone2... well then... you can't use the money argument.

[mirroredderorrim]

"Transcending the world..."

[Thoreau]

lets just face it, you can spit out all of the technical jargon you want, the xbox 360 is not more powerful and cannot produce a game like killzone 2. i want the same out of my 360, but i know it isn't going to happen, thus the reason why i own a ps3. gears (in my own opinion) looks good but not better then MGS4 or uncharted. Gears in motion looks only ok and it is really not the fluid at all. Gears is a solid game with an old engine. i have no doubt that gears 3 will look and play phenominally, but till then, everone should quinch their thirsts with killzone 2. fanboyism aside, if you don't own a ps3 get one.

[Thoreau]

you are so laughable, get rid of your xbox360 and dont buy a ps3. please just disappear. oh, ryuk or whatever you call yourself you are the epitome of a xbox360 fanboy.

[hack]

My PC can run 2 killzone 2 at the same time guaranteed

[joevfx]

"KING KONG AIN'T GOT NOTHING ON PS3!!!"

[NaiNaiNai]

just gona point this out, sony fanboys say the 360 doesnt have any exclusives, because they all go to the PC, thus they spin this again, by saying ps3 is only system able to run it, when i know for a fact a high end gaming rig could run it. XD SDF spin this one.
-nai-

[SDS Gamerfiend]

I don't care if it can only be done on the PS3 or the XBOX 360! Because I own BOTH consoles LOL! Just give me the damn game already LOL! P.S. I don't have to worry about my PS3 breaking down while I play. But, on the other hand, I have to deal with a mediocre online service when I go online LOL! But with time, the PS3 network will get better! LIVE didn't start out all roses either! I have been gaming online since the Dreamcast and the very 1st day of live!

[sweetlewfor3]

Its the truth. Well idk, I think the Wii can run it with some changes.

[Omega6]

I bet Killzone 2 IS possible on the 360....but I have to ask....Why havent we seen a game AS good as Killzone 2 visually? Especially since the 360 is suppose to be easier to develop for...

Anyways. Ps3 is on top.

[DJ]

Undeniable.

[TheOutsider]

Tell me something I don't know!!! HA HA! Sorry X-bots maybe the X-box 720 will give you graphics this good! MAYBE!!! HA HA!!

[Cure]

do people actually think KZ2 could be done on the 360?

all i know is that xbox360 has been out a whole full year then the PS3. Is suppose to be easier to make games on. and they have nothing to show for.

gears 2 = gears 1.5

halo 3 = halo 2.5

fable = fable 2 = no huge advancements

that is fact if you agree with me or not.

KZ2 isnt being compared to the best looking PC game. that alone just says how powerful PS# is. and you would be fooling yourself to think this game could be done on the 360.

[dustgavin]

Glad to see we are on the same page. ;)

[dustgavin]

People keep saying that 360 can perform the same as PS3. Ok...then why didn't Microsoft take advantage of that year lead? Some of you should really listen to yourselves. You are desperately trying to justify if the 360(already in it's fourth year) can run a PS3 game(entering it's third year).

[HolyOrangeCows]

Considering that the PS3's GPU performs at any where from 550MHz to 700MHz (50-200 more than the 360) it's POSSIBLE. I kind of doubt, from what I've seen, that it pushes the PS3 quite as much as it's being hyped, but it's a POSSIBILITY.

It is POSSIBLE.
But since none of us have a copy and a means to clock the game running and ps3, we can't be sure.

[Cha0tik]

All of the people here that say the X360 has more ram and graphics than the PS3 really dont know what your talking about at all. I have a ps3 and a 360 and the 2 games I am going to use as examples are Killzone 2 and Gears 2. If you truly think that the X360 can handle KZ2 than you should really stay off of the Gamerzone because for gamers you select few really have no clue on how to read specs and understand why the PS3 is more powerful than the 360.

If you have Gears 2 you should notice how long it takes textures on everything to load even after the game loads. The reason for this is because the game is compressed to fit one DVD and the graphics aren't as great as you think. The game looks great but the realistic movement is lacking (once shot, the spot you shot should have movements similar to shooting someone in that spot in real life.) and then the blood doesnt look nearly as realistic once in HD which proves that the minor effects and graphics weren't at best. Killzone 2 has GREAT graphics because of realistic movement, textures, character models, & realistic blood textures.

Some see more numbers on the 360 and say "MORE RAM SO ITS BETTER" well not true. The processor runs everything. The PS3's custom Cell Processor alone makes the ps3 better than the X360 then Blu-Ray prevents the problem of compressing textures and files and possibly going multi-disk. The graphics card is also custom for the ps3 to work with the processor.

I dont mind a KZ2 port to 360 but it will be compressed and will Multi-disk which is a pain. Agree or disagree? Its the truth so deal with it lol

TO END IT HERE... LEARN ABOUT COMPUTERS AND SPECS BEFORE TALKING WHICH IS BETTER :-P

[HDgamer]

Specs mean nothing to game designers who can utilize their knowledge and create something better than what all the newbies actually think that's impossible.

[tatsujin]

Will sell over a million copies in its first day or two days.
Will sell over 2 million copies in its first week and a half.
Will sell over 4 million copies by the end of the third month.

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MGS4's sales were 4.33 million by the end of SEPTEMBER 30 OF 2008.

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Another reason I'll throw this at you guys is because this game is the best shooter in this era, in this stage, for this year and possibly for the next year. The game's engine, design and level of development is not some type of "PUT IT TOGETHER, WHO CARES, RELEASE IT". 50 million dollar budget to make the game, the engine and spendings and what not.

And one last thing. I played the freaking BETA, and it is beyond my words. Play the game and if you haven't, then don't say anything, PLAY THE GAME then COME BACK HERE and talk. And oh, PS3 handles more enemies on the floor than your dreams can wet about. 40+, 60+, with lightning, explosions, flares, smoke, destruction and everything inbetween and outside the box.

Enjoy.

[Cha0tik]

HDgamer.... you really dont have a clue what your talking about...
If this was true then Blu-Ray wouldnt matter and Killzone would not be exclusive... Developers need power in a console.

When you take the easy road you get quicker but less powerful results (X360 easier to work with)

When you take time and work on it then you get much more & better bang for your $$$$ (PS3 harder to develop on)

[bigjclassic]

If the 360 was able to produce KZ2 sylte visuals, without
technical problems (ie. slowdown, texture loading etc.) why hasnt this game been produced. And the 2 flagship 360 games (halo 3+Gears) do not look now where near as good or run as good as MGS4, Uncharted and Killzone 2.

[pain777pas]

Everyone celebrate this game. Just like LBP this is a landmark title. If it sells poorly were stuck with WII games. Support the colosal blockbusters that deserve our money cause they are quality and fun. They provide an experience. Support this game as a gamer who is hardcore and wants to see more effort put into the medium. MGS4, Uncharted, Rachet and Clank, R2, KZ2, Wipeout HD, and LBP they deserve to be in every PS3 owners game collection without question the best overall games on the market today. From platforming to racing. The best bang for your buck you'll find this gen in this list. Try to find a company with a better lineup........you can't admit it.

[Silent]

If KZ2 was on Xbox360 their would be RRODs all over.

Kinda wrong for PRs to the truth out there like that.

[Figboy]

if the 360 can do KZ2 with no problem, then WHERE is it's equivalent on the 360?

and while you're at it, WHERE are the equivalents of

Heavenly Sword (best facial and motion capture animation in the industry, hands down, besting even Uncharted and MGS2)

http://www.threespeech.com/...
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3...
http://i184.photobucket.com...

Ratchet and Clank Future: i've yet to see ANY other "Pixar" inspired game come close to R&C future.

http://ps3media.gamespy.com...
http://farm2.static.flickr....
http://ps3media.gamespy.com...

Uncharted: Drake's Fortune (best texture work and in game character animation in the industry)

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3...
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3...
http://www.consolegames.ro/...

Metal Gear Solid 4

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3...
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3...
http://files.playstatic.com...

Little Big Planet

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk...
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3...
http://files.playstatic.com...

Killzone 2

http://mos.futurenet.com/re...
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3...
http://www.ripten.com/wp-co...

if the 360 is capable of running games like the ones above, THEN WHERE ARE THEY?

it's not like the 360 hasn't had the time to show us. it's going on it's fourth (FOURTH!) year on the market now. games like above should be a piece of cake for the 360 right now.

here, i'll help you out:

Gears of War 2:
http://www.breakitdownblog....
http://www.megatonik.com/wp...
http://www.gamerhotline.com...

you really think this one game compares to the MANY above? Unreal Engine 3 is NOT doing the 360 any favors these days.

How about this, non-UE3 engine game?

Fable 2
http://xbox360media.ign.com...
http://img.hexus.net/v2/gam...
http://xbox360media.ign.com...

games like Banjo, Too Human, Fable 2, don't come CLOSE to comparing to the level of detail, animation, and amount of activity on screen at once of a Playstation 3 game.

i can attest, having played Gears of War 2 and Fable 2 on my 40" 720p Samsung, and my roommate's 46" 1080p Samsung, that NEITHER look like the screenshots when running real time in HD, and the animations of both are far below what you see in games like Uncharted, MGS4, and Ratchet and Clank Future.

i can attest that every PS3 game above i've played on the same setup, and they look EXACTLY like the screens.

i was in the Killzone 2 beta, and everyone that came into my home to see it, from PS3 fans to 360 fans, were amazed at the visuals, and it was only the MULTI-PLAYER BETA!

like i've said many a time before, almost like a mantra, Microsoft needs to drop Unreal Engine 3, stop spending MILLIONS on downloadable content for outdated games like GTAIV and Tomb Raider: Underworld, and start investing in developing original IPs that push the 360 to it's limits. because, after following this new generation of consoles for nearly 4 years now, i've yet to see a 360 game match what the PS3 has done in TWO (going on three).

you know another game that was in development for about 4+ years and cost Microsoft quite a few million also?

Halo 3:

http://www.bungie.net/image...
http://xbox360media.ign.com...
http://xbox360media.ign.com...

and unlike Killzone 2, people were EXPECTING Halo 3 to be incredible, and not a complete failure. the irony isn't lost on me.

maybe two years ago it was easy to argue the 360's graphical superiority; there wasn't much a PS3 fan could stand on to defend the console.

i remember when many a 360 fanboy said, "the proof is in the pudding, and the PS3 doesn't have any games."

well, i've given you a whole heaping bowl of pudding, and that was without bringing Gran Turismo 5, God of War 3, Uncharted 2, inFamous, and Heavy Rain to the dinner table.

there is simply no more room for arguing when the proof is out there, and like many a 360 fanboy said when games like Bioshock, Mass Effect, and Gears of War were top of the graphical heap, "until i see it on the PS3, it's not possible on the PS3," i say, "until i see games with the graphical and processing fidelity of MGS4, Ratchet and Clank Future, Uncharted, LBP, and Killzone 2, it simply isn't possible on the 360."

the 360 has had 4 years to wow us with games that AREN'T UE3 based. even Alan Wake, as amazing as that game is bound to be, has only been shown in PC form.

games like Killzone 2 are what you can do when you program the Cell/RSX, HDD (which it only has a 52MB requirement for storage, and no installs), and the benefit of having 25/50 gigs of Blu Ray disc space to store video and audio data with.

Sony is arrogant, c0cky, and full of themselves, but when we get titles like KZ2 and the ones i mentioned above, it's hard to argue with them when they say "next gen doesn't start when they say so."

i can't think of a single 360 game that has 8 player, class based co-op, 60 player online matches, future 256 player online matches, the amount of effects, characters, and animations seen in PS3 games (the screenshots above are only a SMALL portion of why we praise these PS3 games the way we do, you HAVE to seen them moving, and on an HDTV to really understand the difference between the two machines).

i know what my eyes, ears, and senses tell me. and if, after 4 years, you are STILL touting Gears of War as the benchmark for visuals on your console, there is something WRONG.

the PS3 has been a constantly improving visual fest, from Motorstorm, to Ninja Gaiden Sigma, to Heavenly Sword, to Ratchet, to Uncharted 1, to MGS4, to LBP, to Killzone 2, and future titles like GoW3, Uncharted 2, and Heavy Rain, and all i constantly hear is "Gears of War this, and Gears of War that."

when i played it the other day for a few hours, i was expecting to meet this visual feast the likes of which i have never seen. instead, i got an Unreal Engine 3 game, no better than what i've seen on Unreal Tournament 3, or the original Gears of War. yes, there are some improvements, but the animations, controls, and visual upgrades you'd EXPECT with a sequel were lost.

the Playstation 3 has proven to me over the past 2 years that it is the most powerful gaming console on the market. no, it can't match up to PCs, what console can, but then again, my PS3 didn't cost me nearly $2,000 so i can run one game.

for the $650 i paid for my PS3 2 years ago, i can STILL run a game that is being compared to Crysis in the visual department, without having to spend a DIME to upgrade my machine.

when is the next "Crysis" like game hitting the PC?

when is the next visual/aural feat hitting the PS3? well, inFamous comes out in the summer, as does White Knight Chronicles, GT5, FFXIII (Japan), God of War 3, and Heavy Rain all hit this year at some point, so what was the better investment? that $2,000 PC that will need ANOTHER upgrade when Crysis 2 comes out, or the $650 ($400 nowadays), console that has a library of games that get compared to Crysis on a regular basis?

i own a PS3 and 360, but there is no doubt in my mind that the PS3 is the better machine, and will be reluctantly recognized as such in the end, regardless of if it "wins" this console war or not (in truth, as long as Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo make money off of their machines, which they WILL do, there there ARE no losers).

[XDF]

remember the xbox was more powerful than the PS2?

You have to remember games like KZ2 and GT5 is in development for like 4-5 years. During that period there were 2 Gears of War games and Forza 2 and the incoming Forza 3. So, with the time, money, and staff size of Killzone 2, it better be great.

Mine already pre ordered at Gamestop. Can't wait to try out the Demo on Feb 2.

And then a week later, I will have Star Ocean 4, week later Halo Wars, week later RE5. Ha..it is so nice to own both consoles.

[Dark General]

I notice that Street Fighter 4 is nowhere on your list.

[XDF]

You my friend are the kind of Fanboy I really hate. Talking out of your A______.

Yes. Yes, the PS3 is a better machine, yadi, yadi ya...it cost twice at much with the Cell and Blu Ray, it better be better. Also, graphics arn't everything my friend. L4D and Braid are two of the best games of the year and they are no graphic powerhouse.

Speaking of which, does Super Mario Galaxy, Smash Brothers Brawl, and Zelda Twilight Princess be considered inferior because it is on the weakest system? Common people, Killzone is going to be great but do we really need 20 articles a day about how great that game look???

But this is N4G, where Sony fanboys will use any advantage they can get.

[Figboy]

it's right here >point<

this is you, ------------------------------ ------------------------------- ------------->XDF<

you completely missed the point, and ended up somewhere in an alternate dimension.

since my post is quite ginormous, i'll sum it up for you:

after 3 years on the market, going on it's fourth, we've yet to see a 360 exclusive title match what the Playstation 3 has been able to do.

furthermore, the argument for the past 3+ years has been that the Playstation 3 IS inferior to the Xbox 360 power wise, because of sh*tty multi-plat games from companies like EA and Activision.

the moment the PS3 started to flex it's muscle, OH NO! it suddenly became about the "gameplay over graphics." needless to say, after games like MGS4, Uncharted, R&C, and the rest, gameplay and graphics can CO-EXIST.

believe me, as a Playstation gamer since the beginning, i was very much aware of the fact that the Playstation 2 was the least powerful console out of the three last generation. we were reminded of it CONSTANTLY.

that didn't stop the games from being awesome, much like being an inferior console to the PS3 doesn't stop the 360 from having some awesome games of it's own.

but like i said before the point of this entire console war so far has been what people perceived the PS3 COULDN'T DO.

it couldn't match Gears of War. it has surpassed it.

it couldn't get good multi-plats. games like DMC4, Burnout Paradise, Dead Space, GTAIV, and more have shown that it CAN.

it couldn't have a quality multi-player experience. after some rough times, the PSN is offering features that are on par with the 360 equivalent, and offering features that are NOT part of the 360's LIVE package (like HOME), and has remained FREE for those 2 years.

it couldn't match the CGI target renders boasted about FOUR YEARS AGO. Killzone 2 and Metal Gear Solid 4 (as well as Uncharted and more), have proven that assumption WRONG.

so no, while graphics alone don't make the system, when a system is being sh*t on from day one for having "inferior" visuals to it's competition, and that console FINALLY begins to flex it's muscle, it becomes very much about the visuals.

Killzone 2's gameplay was written off long before any gameplay was shown, because many people dismissed the first title (which i own, and enjoy, although it's far from perfect, but still a fun game, marred by technical issues), but once it smacked the dissenters over the head with it's visual wow, they went back to attacking the gameplay, despite the fact that KZ2 feels NOTHING like it's predecessor, and yet still feels like a KZ game should.

i happen to enjoy Mario Galaxy and Twilight Princess, but that's simply deflection on your part. NOBODY expects the Wii to produce visuals on par with a 360 or PS3 game, therefore it is understandably judged on different criteria than a 360 or PS3 game.

the 360 however, has been touted by MS to be more powerful than the PS3 in the same way that the PS3 has been touted to be more powerful than the 360. the thing is, only ONE of them can be right, and as my examples above show, only ONE of the two has consistently delivered and set the bar for visuals/animations, atmosphere, and sound, simply because the machine is equipped for it.

and there will be a time when the price difference is negligible (like when the PS3 drops to $299 in a few months), and then WHAT will the 360 have in it's corner to convince people that they should spend $299 on a 360, or $299 on a PS3.

the PS3 has built in Blu Ray, Wi Fi, web browser, free online, etc.

sure, you may not NEED those features, but if they are thrown in there for FREE, then why NOT?

it's like saying, "you can get this cheeseburger for $2.99, OR, you can get a cheeseburger, fries, and soda for $2.99." you may be full, and not really in the mood for fries and a soda, but it's still a better VALUE.

the PS3 has built in features that appeal to a gamer like me. i'm 29. i love movies and games. i own an HDTV, and i don't play online enough to warrant paying a separate fee to get online. even if i did, i still have rent, a car note, bills, and other expenses that make spending an extra $50 a year JUST to play online an unnecessary expense when there are free alternatives. i NEED a Wi Fi adaptor because my TV is too far away from my router. that's a nearly $100 expense on the 360.

as a movie lover and owner of an HDTV, i enjoy seeing movies in HD (The Dark Knight, for example, looks AMAZING in HD). since Blu Ray won the format war, and is included in the PS3, i killed 2 birds with one stone.

anyway, if you don't like the numerous articles being posted about KZ2, you don't HAVE to read them. N4G contributors aren't point a gun at your head and forcing you to click on the links.

for example, there's an article on the front page about Windows 7. personally, i don't care about this, so you know what i did? i DIDN'T CLICK ON THE LINK. i avoided the story altogether. did i go inside and complain about the fact that this isn't the first article on Windows 7 that's been on N4G this week? no.

exercise your free will by avoiding the things you don't like. it will make you a happier person. trust me.

i've dignified your comment with enough of a response than you deserve, but i like to think that what you said was more out of ignorance, than any outright fanboy idiocy on your part.

get a PS3 to go along with your 360. you will not regret the purchase in the end. believe me. i don't regret buying my 360, even though MS upsets me quite a bit more often than not.

[Lawliet]

You must be real HIGH to write all that facts.

[Kermi]

Sony announces that <insert title here> only possible on <insert Sony gaming hardware here>. More at 11!

[Pleth]

....is I will get to yet again participate in the development of virtual entertainment. I grew up on playing Mario at 7-11 and Asteroids. Then Spy Hunter came out. I have lived through Intellevision, Atari, Nintendo, 64, PS1, 2, Dreamcast, and all the handhelds. This is the next step in game maturity and it will be one hell of an experience.

[GUNKILLA]

look everyone. on its own the 36o and its graphics card are more powerfull than the ps3 . but hen u have the ps3 there graphics card there cell . pluss there blu ray disk. xbox has a 15 gb disk ps3 has 50 up to 200 gb blu ray disk that mean if killzone needs the cell and blu ray the xbox wont beable to hold it with out haveing for disks and who in this world would want that plzzz coment back all thow i do love gears :) im hopeing this will finaly beat it

[media73]

oO

Not all previews for Killzone 2 have been favourable, check this site for one reviewer who said the hype machine wins again. Repetitive grey pallete (remember when sony boys laughed at greys of war?) and low res boring textures. Lets just see how many TRUE not PAID OFF reviews we get.

Not many as sony know if killzone 2 fails, the ps3 fails big time.

Oo

[Dark General]

Define your meaning of "failure". If the game scores under 90 percent average but over 80 percent and sales a million copies is it a failure? If it averages over 90 but doesn't sell over a million copies is it a failure? If it scores lower than 90 but sales over a million copies is it a failure?

Just something i'm interested in. What some people deem a "failure".

[solidt12]

You Must be referring to the old build of Killzone 2 because the Final build is not gray. It has alot of Color and looks great.

[die_fiend]

Figboy you need 2 get a life. I can't believe how long it must've taken you to think up all that bull

[Legion]

My system is bigger then yours. ha... but I'm the one with the sexy girlfriends.

XBox 360 and PS3 are comparibly equal in their capabilities to do what the other has on their system. Each has coding issues and it is the programmer that is ultimately going to be able to do something with what they have to create their masterpiece.

[BMS84]

If you compare only 2 graphic cards they re not far from each other but sony 's grphic card is working together cell/RSX +7 SPU the PS3 is way faster and more powerfull than the 360 and K2 is only the beginning of the distance that the ps3 is going to thake..

[solidt12]

It's funny how the Tone has changed know that the game has exceeded the 2005 Trailer. It use to be "that is impossible PS3 is gonna fail to do that" Now it's like " Give Microsoft 100 Million catrillion bucks and they can make a game like that across 100 dvd disc muh" :(

[Salta_nelas]

"It's funny how the Tone has changed know that the game has exceeded the 2005 Trailer. It use to be "that is impossible PS3 is gonna fail to do that" Now it's like " Give Microsoft 100 Million catrillion bucks and they can make a game like that across 100 dvd disc muh" :( "

Indeed. Those same people forget this:

Halo 3 staff was around 300 people and cost almost 100M (including advertising)

Alan Wake is in developement for 4 years now, where is it?

Slinter cell? Huxley?

And i can recall a certain Too Human that took close to 10 years in the making and was hugely financed by MS.

Fanboys will always have an excuse.
This is for you:
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