Guerrilla: 'We can get more out of the PS3 in future projects'

Today in a new part of the interview with Guerrilla Games about Killzone 2 on the Dutch website GameKings, Guerrilla talks about the graphical aspects of the game. Guerrilla talks about how their engine works and what they can do better in the future.
Hit the jump to view the highlights of the interview.

[POGfinder]

we bow down to u Guerilla

i cant even imagine any game surpassing KZ2 on consoles this gen

Hopefully Killzone 3 will prove me wrong

[Sony PlayStation 3]

Guerilla Games is incredible! They did what many said was impossible, in matching the E3 2005 target render, and now they are going to surpass it!

Simply astonishing!

I was in the final stage of the MP Beta and it was phenomenal! The gameplay was near perfection and it was just a beta!

[POGfinder]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

quick and dirty:

- goal: cinematic experience. lot's of post-processing. analogue look

- motion blur per pixel,
- noise, AA

- spu's are the key for optimal performance on the PS3: Deferred Rendering
- they often use all six: for full fire fights, physics, particles, mp3 streams, 7.1 audio, lighting
- they also help to render effects. 40% extra speed thanx to the spu's

- guns have to feel realsitic, reactions have to be realistic. hit impact system. every bullet has an effect on the surrounding or people in it
- stacked animations with real time rendered ragdoll.. and yep, blow heads off...

- every polygon has mass and material
- real time ray tracing
- holes are not a flat image of a hole
- collision detection of small particles, even sparks.. icing on the cake. will often go unnoticed while playing by a lot of people.

- 5.1 ambient mp3 streams that rotate when you rotate. on top of that stereo music, 3d sound effects, voices in the right positioning, sound filtering.. all in 7.1 uncompressed sound.

- extreme amount of lightsd. 230 lights in this screen (he's showinng the screen). they are proud of this level. impressive
- the robot alone has 8 lights

- tech was developed while making the game.

- they think they can go further and beyond what they're doing with killzone 2
AND they will show us in the future!!

[Gambit07]

Oh come on, Pong was using these technics years ago.

[plain rice]

@POGfinder

realtime raytracing? Sure about that?

*EDIT*

NVM. Just watched the video interview of the developer. Real-time raytracing confirmed! Damn.

Killzone 2 is a graphical beast.

[Tryst]

lol @ Gambit07

[EXCLUSIVEGAMER]

ps3s father was right all along.

" next gen doesnt start until WE(SONY), say so."

I was in beta, and this is the only game so far this gen, that makes me think : "This is NEXT-GEN".

IN A BETA. who the fuc does that?

[WANNA GET HIGH]

WOW.....I can only imagine how killzone3 will look like and god of war 3.I hope they use killzone2 engine for other games as well,a resistance3 with killzone2 graphics style will be big.Man get hyped....Killzone2 FEB 25TH (UK)

[uie4rhig]

they're showing off the PS3 devkit.. it has a switch, that shows all the hardware usage... including SPE, GPU usage etc.. he says that on a lot of action 6 of the 6 SPE's are used.. hmm pretty unclear tho seeing the information on the screen.. maybe someone else can see it better.. it starts around 3.45

edit: the guy also says that the SPE's also aid in rendering for the first time, instead of just letting the GPU work, the SPE's do some of the GPU work as well..

[MazzingerZ]

@EXCLUSIVEGAMER
"ps3s father was right all along.
" next gen doesnt start until WE(SONY), say so."

To be fair, when I played MGS4 I felt that "this is next-gen" and I'm sure we'll get the same feeling from GoW3 and GT5...the important thing here is that no developer so far has said anything about maxing out the PS3 so expect that "this is next-gen" feeling tto remain true during the coming years

Even XBLA devs have said they can't get more from the X360...one know dev said that during an interview with Major Nelson to what Major Nelson surprised answered "...interesting"...E pic said that they could push it a "little bit"...other devs have expressed the same but not a single one something similar about the PS3...

Not that is bad to say that about the X360 because games looks nice but it's really exciting not to hear that about the PS3 and Killzone 2 is living proof of why

[AAACE5]

I gotta point this out!

When Bungie or Epic says something like this, people go on a rant and say the game will be crap cause they aren't taking advantage of all the power of the console!

Where's the logic?

Anyway, KZ 2 already looks to have a bright future, and could end up being the most popular Ps3 online game to date!

Almost time people get ready!!!

[Amnesiac]

No, the reason for that is because only children play Halo and Gears of War these days...

Killzone 2 is a manly game for manly men.

[TheExecutive]

The first game this generation that is literally dropping my jaw. The PS3 is a beast..... most of us knew it all along... we just needed some proof.

With a price drop this year and games like uncharted and KZ2 coming out the ps3 is going to fully legitimize itself as the console to have for '09

@AAACE5...

I see what you did there. I guess we would swoon over bungie or epic if they could produce products like KZ2 (graphically) but they cant. I am starting to hate the unreal engine. As for bungie, well, I dont really have anything to bad to say about them :) but they could have
done more with Halo3

EDIT:

I just read that the delayed death animations are gone in multiplayer! Oh and there are decapitations and the bodies act like they do in the singleplayer. Quote from TTP:

"- Death animation delay 100% fixed. Also online animations are MUCH better as well. On par with offline ones I'd say. No floating corpse glitch. Bodies fly back and fall down with proper weight, realistically and awesomely, when hit by explosions or close shotgun hits. Helmets jump off as well. And yeah, decapitations are in as well. "

[eagle21]

White with their logo in black, and a PS icon on the upper back near the collar!

I'm a fan. What they have achieved is paramount. :)

PS3 is paramount as well!

[EXCLUSIVEGAMER]

Mgs4 is a very valid point. but then again so is little big planet, warhawk, resistance2, uncharted, etc. They each have that 1 thing that puts them on the next level above other titles.

What killzone manages to do is take every part of the game, to the next level.

that is why everyone from beta testers to reviewers are like "OMGWTFBBQGTFOROFLSTFU, this is not possible"

[MazzingerZ]

@Exclusivegamer

My point exactly...during 2007 we didn't talk about RFOM being the best looking game on the PS3 but about Uncharted, early during 2008 was MGS4 and GT5P...then LBP wasn't that far behind...now Killzone 2 and so on...the quality improves all the time...it's the HW that makes those games possible rather than an optimized gaming engine for the PS3 so we can expect big things this and the coming years.

[pain777pas]

They have a great engine hear folks so whatever they want to do from here their business. Well done Guerilla and don't do KZ3 right away save it for next gen start a new amazing franchise.

[f789790]

Have they done that before in any game? Its going to look amazing.

[POGfinder]

they will blow you away

also the gameplay is incredible. man i was floored by the BETA

the BETA alone > all games on all other consoles

[thereapersson]

They really are masters at what they do.

[RememberThe357]

Imagine what Sony Santa Monica Studio is going to do with GOW3. It's going to be amazing. It was amazing what they did with the PS2, and I hope they can do the same with the PS3.

I can't wait to see what this system will put out in the next few years.

Sony's first party's are programing monsters and we'll see more from them in the future.

[Sasanova]

modern day Einsteins is what they are!!!

[POGfinder]

my favourite scientist

yes Guerilla are the einsteins of gaming

[Mukiwa]

Slightly off topic here but my favourite scientist has got to be Nikola Tesla without a doubt.

http://www.badassoftheweek....

[thereapersson]

Hahaha, that was an awesome article. And I agree -- Tesla is a badass engineer / inventor / overall mad scientist.

[Tryst]

Is the 'Tesla' character out of the film The Prestige based on this guy? It is the character played by David Bowie.

(off topic: what a film that is!)

[Mukiwa]

I'm honestly not sure dude, but i get where you're coming from. And yes it is a cracking film!

[thereapersson]

Yeah, that's the same guy. Remember the scene where he remotely lights up all those bulbs? That's based off real experiments that Tesla conducted.

[caffman]

here is another name for you
oops can't say that one.
Or that one.
Or that one.
ah here is one
multi-account liar

[Sasanova]

Yes, Nikola Tesla is my all time favorite as well, but i have a reason, since i am Serbian, like him :> I have a picture in my wallet of him, behind my lisence and had it there for about 3 years now, because he is printed on the money! I researched everything about him since i was little, its amazing what he did for modern day...and to think thomas edison and many others took or stole everything he ever made, due to rockafella deciding not to fund him any further...either way, he goes down in history as the only man who is rumored to have came from the future to kick start our generation...incredible really

[ice_prophecy]

Hmm Engine plays such a large role in a game....

No offense to the Unreal engine, but I hope that we see less of it. Unreal engine did a lot for the gaming community, but its time for them to explore other options.

I reckon Gears 2 is the epitome of what we will see from the current version of Unreal Engine. A fine looking game that.

[thereapersson]

I agree. The UE does look good, but it's not without its shortcomings. For example, crappy looking water in Gears of War 2...

[The Lazy One]

idTech, project offset's, and obviously this one (if they make it open to other developers).

I think idtech and Unreal are probably the most developer friendly though.

[beavis4play]

for me, i'm personally more excited when devs (like insomniac, GG,santa monica studios, naughty dog) come up with their own engines. the results seem to be more spectacular than using an "unreal" type of engine that is pimped out to a lot of "me too" devs. even with gears.......while the game looked very good, it still seemed a lot like the unreal games to me. (characters/enemies and gothic looking enviroments all looked like unreal staples) but KZ2, uncharted 1/2, heavy rain, ratchet: ToD, GOW3 all appear to have their own unique look. and that's part of what makes the games special,.

[ice_prophecy]

I do stress the word current in my previous post.

[Halochampian]

Water looked great in Gears 2. Halo 3 is still my favorite for water though.

[The Lazy One]

you can get good results, but it increases dev time and cost by a very significant amount. More specifically dev time, because you do have to pay for licensing.

On the flip side, you can also get people that make really bad engines, or people that can use engines like unreal marvelously. It's really a toss up as to which turns out better the majority of the time.

[Halochampian]

lol at my disagrees. But no one wanted to say why. Typical. The water in gears 2 looked good. And Halo 3's water looked amazing with how it interacted with all the objects. Things would float downstream.

People can click disagree for many things but very few people can back up anything on this site.

[RebornSpy]

using the Unreal engine. There's no way the water can look good...

I bet Killzone 2 will have the best water ever! Power of teh cell ftw!!!11!!

but what if it doesn't?

[Halochampian]

what if it doesn't have water at all?!

[RebornSpy]

The Helghast home world seems very dark and dry.

[Eiffel]

A lot of ass kissing in here.

Hope to see more projects from Guerrilla.

[thereapersson]

Well, it's well-founded. People bashed and derided Sony for showing that footage, all the while not keeping in mind that it was a target render. Considering GG has matched, and in some ways, surpassed the original CG footage is a feat in itself.

[Eiffel]

Doesn't stop the fact that you guys above me are having a orgasm over it. No offense taken anyhow just the exaggeration was a bit awkward.

Its indeed a good game, well worth the purchase.

[thereapersson]

Have you played the final version?

[Agent VX]

OK folks, Killzone looks great, I would say the best looking game on any console right now. But please, stop with the CG footage, that was shown 4 years ago. It looked impressive back then, today, not so impressive.

I really hope they get those control issues and online problems fixed, game looks awesome.

[Eiffel]

You're implying I have, its a easy no brainier no one here has.

Way to take my words out of context friend.

[thereapersson]

Well, saying something's "well worth the purchase" implies that you have already bought and experienced something, and are passing on your recommendation to others.

Not exactly out of context, just interpreted wrong.

[Bathyj]

I love it when a hater thinks ingame is CG. You couldnt give a better complement then that, and you give it unwillingly.

[Graphics Whore]

Guerrilla made it so you can now fully customize the controls and online problems? Don't pull stuff outta your ass dude.

[blackbeld]

Guerrilla rules!!!!!!!!!! PS3 Rules!!!!!!!!!! Kilzone 2 Rules!!!!!!!!!!

[Sir_Ken_Kutaragi]

Like i said yesterday, this sounds good -

KillZone 3 on PS3!!! ;-P

(It's got a lot more to give, unlike Micro$not's the New 'xBox 360 Maxed out' Console!!!) ;-D

[Uneducated Loser]

"It's got a lot more to give, unlike Micro$not's the New 'xBox 360 Maxed out' Console"

[GiantEnemyLobster]

So they are saying they didn't even get as much as they could with Killzone 2? LMAO the PStards getting jipp'd again by Sony ahahahah OWNED

[Shoduke]

No, he's saying that with the current technology we have, Killzone 2 is at a max, but the ps3 has much more developing to go. 360 is nearly the same as ps3 graphics wise, but is done growing.

OWNED

[Drealmcc0y]

Im sure if M$ gave a company $50M and almost 5 years development, they could make a games as good looking as Killzone 2 on 360

[Zool 08]

$20m Game(KILLZONE 2> $50m DLC(GTA) nuff said :)

[Lord Shuhei Yoshida]

Jealous bot confirmed^^

[PirateThom]

This is what annoys me about Microsoft, when you look at the cost of game development and even the cost of some of Microsoft's biggest games, Microsoft probably could have had 2 quite high end exclusive games, but they spent it on DLC for GTAIV.

[gta2800]

I doubt that. I think if you tried running a game on the 360 that looks as good as Killzone 2 the 360 would explode. 360 wasn't designed to handle all that power XD.

[NickIni]

Then why haven't they?

Developers know the 360s capabilities. If it was possible, Microsoft would have certainly done it by now.

[Xbox Street Gang]

Too Human and Alan wake say hi.

[Helghast Slayer]

The sh!tboxpleasefixme was designed by baboons to burn down houses. It's a pyromaniacs dream come true.

[dukadork2]

cryyyyyy
cryyyyyy
cryyyyyy

[DELTABOY04]

they gave rockstar 50m for downloadable content...lol

[PR3DAT0R]

Seriously killzone 2 and GTA DLC
they cost the same
one had a lot more time spent making it
one has better graphics
one has better gameplay
one has better online play
one has better story
one has better post-processing effects
one has better lighting
one has better weaponry
one was made a lot better than the other
one was made with better AI and overall scripting
much much more

that 'one' was GTA 4 no doubt oh wait....

[ravinash]

Yeah, and considering most people were bored with GTA4 before they got to the end of it.
That was $50m well spent.

[Lord Shuhei Yoshida]

You hear that bots?The time of painful torture will stay for years thanks to the cell

[dylandurden]

They say they're using around 60% of SPUs power. And it's not about the percentage alone, but the ability to polish and improve further and further even a game that fully utilizes the power of the console.

[RememberThe357]

But I see what you mean.

There is still a lot of potential in the PS3.

[Lord Shuhei Yoshida]

We have marched long and hard for this push into the PS3 hardware.Uncharted,Motorstorm: Pacific Rift and MGS4 have shattered the expectations of the PS3 and now Killzone 2 will break new ground far surpassing the 360 and most PCs.The time of reckoning for the non-believers is upon us.Surrender now...or be destroyed.

[Cajun Chicken]

Strongly agree.

[sinncross]

Well one logical step forward would be implementing 2 player split screen then 4 player splitscreen.

With that what Killzone 2 delivers I'm sure their future projects will be just as good !!!

[kumashii38]

Does he say "real-time ray-tracing" at 7:58 in this video ?
Is KZ2 using real-time ray-tracing ?

[voice_of_ reason]

What's the significance of real-time raytracing? I've heard it's an advanced technique that's hard to do... but what exactly makes real-time raytracing good?

[Graphics Whore]

Yeah it's real time. Impressive to say the very least, just a year ago people said 'impossible'. Lol oh how things change.

[Sprudling]

Ray-tracing is the technique used for prerendered videos. It's very slow compared to the usual rendering technique (which has barely changed since Quake), but it creates far more realistic images. This is because the raytracing algorithm more closely resembles how reality "renders" the world (so to speak).

Ray-tracing is an easy technique because the laws of physics are simple. Effects like shadows, reflection, refraction, etc doesn't require much effort to implement since they happen "naturally". The hard part is getting it to run fast.

This is a raytraced image:
http://upload.wikimedia.org...
It probably took several minutes to render that image, so nowhere near 30 FPS :)

More info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

[Ju]

He mentions that in the context when he explains the bullets wholes in walls etc. For example, that the lightning is calculated correctly when impact wholes are created. The size and reflection of light of these wholes is calculated correctly, based on the angle you look at it and how deep the impact "crater" is and it also depends what material you shoot at. E.g. the wall has a much larger impact whole then the metal frame of the door next to it.

He also showed, that the debris changes with the material you shoot at. Rocky debris laying around while shooting at the wall, while you get sparkles if shot at metal. Also, a shot gun creates realistic impacts because every single bullet creates an impact effect.

Small subtle detail, but pretty impressive, IMO.

[gta2800]

This gen didn't start in 05 when the 360 was released. It officially starts Feburary 27. Props to Guerilla Games for all their hard work. Expect even better looking games from the PS3 after Killzone 2 releases.

[Firstkn1ghT]

And it only took 5 years, a huge budget, and an army of workers.

[POGfinder]

2human took 10 years and bombed on x360

Fable 2 took 4 years

Halo3 3 years

KZ2 took 3.5 years actually since the game could have been shipped this year. SONY deferred it for resistance 2

KZ2 was first shown in 2005 June so 3.5 years by worst means

what happened to 50m dollar lame GTA DLC for X360?

also Halo3 was a 60m dollar project and u saw how bad it was . didnt u

[Ichiryoka]

How long it was in development. The only thing that matters and is a fact is that it will be released NEXT MONTH. There is nothing you can do about it, so get over trying to put down the game.

[plain rice]

What about Alan Wake? It was announced the same time as Killzone 2 and that game still doesn't have a release date.

[divideby0]

keep reading as you and many will be dinning on crow for KZ2 bashing.....
NOW they have their engine developed, so follow-on projects will NOT take as long....

educate yourself by reading about the developement of the UNreal engine...dugh

[Veneno]

Hey, go big or go home, right?

[Bathyj]

Halo1 took about 4 years and that was worth it.

Then again, you're 12 years in the making and what a failure you turned out to be.

[Graphics Whore]

Lmao! Bath *High Five*

[Agent VX]

POGfinder "KZ2 took 3.5 years actually since the game could have been shipped this year. SONY deferred it for resistance 2"

WOW, the level of ignorance of this statement completely blows my mind.

Lets see, if KZ2 was first shown in June of 2005, which was 3 1/2 years ago.... that means they "OBVIOUSLY" have been working at it for a while before June of 2005. You don't just announce a game, and then "Poof" it into existance!!! It had been worked on for almost 2 years to get it to that stage. It has been over 5 years in the making.

POGfinder "SONY deferred it for resistance 2"

WOW, again, the level of ignorance is stratospheric...

KZ2 is made by Guerrilla, while Resistance 2 is made by Insomniac Games. Sony didn't defer anything, stop making up blatant lies to further your childish fanboy cause.

POGfinder "also Halo3 was a 60m dollar project and u saw how bad it was . didnt u"

I just loved this one, a game that scored 94 on Metacritic, a game that has sold almost 9 million copies, and the most played game on XBL.... and this simpleton calls Halo 3 bad.... ROTFLOL. Killzone 2 should sell about half that amount if it is lucky.

I am sorry, KZ2 looks awesome and I will be picking up a copy day one. But the level of complete ignorance of this kiddie fanboy rant is beyond belief. Try again sport!!!

[Rikyfree]

Moron. So explain to me how they started working on Killzone 2 when they weren't done with either KZ1 or Liberation? Full production started in 2006 after the release of Liberation. The ONLY reported value of the project is 21 mil. You do not deserve to even post on the same topic of this game, you F'ing twat.

[ActionBastard]

Silly hater...

[Halochampian]

Companies work on more games than one. Bungie is currently working on 3 titles. So this game has been in the making for more than 4 years.

agent may be a fanboy, but he had a lot of truth in his comment.

[Ju]

GG was 40 people when the did KZ and Liberation. Now they are 150. 40 is not enough to do 2 titles (nor is 150 for that matter - if you talk a scale of KZ2).

[iHEARTboobs]

*points and laughs*

[Oner]

There are 2 ways to REALLY own someone.

1) With verifiable information that can't be refuted
2) In some way, shape, or form just like bath did

Seriously that has to be one of the best I have seen outside of this one here http://www.n4g.com/Redirect... as of late...

Haters & fake "gamers" be damned.

[Bathyj]

Did your dog piss on him?

Thats a Fable 2 joke BTW.

[pain777pas]

the industry needs this game and for it to sell well or its the WII for all of us I'm afraid sooner or later. No one is going to make big budget games if you can get the same or more sales with WII type games that don't take much to develop and are generally very simple. You better hope that this game does well.

[theEnemy]

confirmed?

[Kain81]

Heavenly Sword, than i bought Uncharted and MGS4 and i said to myself UNBELIEVEBLE GAMEPLAY- AND GRAPHICWISE, but Killzone 2 blow my mind.
I cant wait for it. But i wait specialy for GOW3, Uncharted2 and Heavy Rain.

But i must say that GG has set a New Benchmark in Videogames.

[Chris399]

Totally under-rated game that the media bashed for its 7 hour length (which is pretty normal now anyways). The acting and mo-cap still hasn't been matched this gen.

Heavenly Sword 2 and a Legend of Dragoon remake/ installment for this gen are my two most desired games if they ever come to pass.

Oh, and KZ2. I must admit that the hype has gotten to me, I'm terribly excited to play this game.

Cheers,
- C

[Kain81]

there are Rumors that Level 5 working on two other projects i hope these are DarkCloud 3 and Rough Galaxy 2.

[mastiffchild]

It's certainly very purty indeed but I really expect the nitpicking to go to a whole new level when the reviews come out in earnest. Every little thing will get blown up by those in the media that derided GG and Sony for their ambition these past three years. It already started over at Gameradar but if they took this attitude with every game nothing would get a mark above a seven or eight. I just thibnk it's a bit sad-not that it's gonna stop me enjoying the game like but still, y'know it's annoying.

[LeShin]

Yeah, I think everybody expects this to happen. But the thing is, the reviewers that do this have to be very careful about how they review future fps's on any system from now on, because all the faults that are called out in Killzone 2 BETTER not be in ANY fps they play in the future as they will be called out.

I can't wait to see what reviewer will dare give a higher score for graphics to another console fps this generation!

[Veneno]

is that all the non-biased media outlets will give a perfect score or close to the game, while the haters will give it 8 or below (on a common 10 point scale). It will be interesting indeed to see so many jarring scores lined up next to each other.

[Agent Orange]

what the fukc is realtime raytracing?

[crillyconlig]

google and youtube is your friend...

[AngryHippo]

....i want to know in simple form what it is too. I know if i type it into Google, i will get a load of technical jargon that i don't really understand and don't pretend to. Could one of the people that seem quite impressed with the fact that Killzone 2 has it please explain to myself what it is and what it adds to the game?!It would be most appreciated. Anyway can't wait for this game to release. These 6 weeks are going to go extremely slowly now. =0(

[Kain81]

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[nomad117]

http://www.letmegooglethatf...

[Ju]

Real time raytracing is a complex way of rendering 3D objects. That's the simple explanation.

The trick is, you need to actually reverse cast a light ray from your point of view to each and every object in your scene for every light source in that scene and then also do the same thing for every reflective light source. Sounds complicated ? Well it is.

Imagine, all we see is based on light. The sun, lamps, etc. Further more, each object reflects light in some way. What the human eye sees is the sum of all this light which finally hits the iris of your eye.

Well, you can imagine, the number of "rays" hitting your eye is basically infinite big. That's why calculating this amount of information is impossible.

What raytracing does is, it tries to follow each and every light ray, be it from a source or a reflective light and then calculates this image you'd be seeing. The iris replaced with the screen of your monitor/TV.

Now you can imagine, that this is a very calculation intensive procedure and you need to limit the number of lights you can use. It is not feasible to render a full scene that way. Not yet. The amount of number crunching also grows with the size of your output renderer (e.g. the screen resolution or just a small object).

But it seams they can use this for smaller objects now, like the bullet holes. Reflection can be compensated by ambient lightning, and the number of direct lights is reduced, I would guess (say the one in the immediate environment). What you get, for example, is that these holes reflect light correctly based on their depth in the material they have been created. They cast shadows and proper lightning effects within that whole.

[ymbsittend]

--despite years of development gorilla games of shellshock fame are still nothing more than a budget game studio, enemy ai sucks, transition between animations is horrid, soldiers rotate like idiots around their axis, soulless annoying design,...

--you have to wonder what would a more competent developer (e.g. Naughty Dog) do with such a project,

[Xbox Street Gang]

hahahaha

[Sibs]

I'm sorry, you seem to be missing your /sarcasm tag...

[mll09]

Play it first d!ckhead.

[PR3DAT0R]

what game are you talking about mate?
it certainly isn't killzone 2 because the game you described was the complete opposite!

[gta2800]

Expressing your jealousy on n4g won't magically bring Killzone 2 to the 360. Don't you xbots understand that?

[vloeistof]

:o

[divideby0]

and we are just < than mid PS3 life...
now you know why MS has to rush another console to market....

[spacetoilet]

Aside from everything else this game has, it looks 'meaty' if you know what I mean! COD4 was fun but kinda light weight and static. Nothing really moved or blew up bar the other players. This looks insane.

[beavis4play]

and the sniper level in COD4 in particular was a huge disappointment. all that happened was our character being led through the level by the NPC. a glorified "simon says" level.

[Sarcasm]

Yeah it's mind boggling that a US marine carrying 80-100lbs of equipment can move around like a Squirrel.

[MrWonderful]

sony must bring back crazy ken to design the ps4.

[Kain81]

he is a honored memeber of SONY.
Ken confirmed that , that he will help make the future PS´s

[Gantrfaxx]

Of course they can get more out of Ps3. Killzone 2 is just a beginning of the second generation of Ps3 games.

[shawnsl65]

sweet release is on a weekend.

kz2 the first game to make bullet holes "ACTUAL" bullet holes instead of just a flat surface drawing?

[LinuxGuru]

Can you feel the GG love? Real virtual bullet holes! Yes! haha

[pain777pas]

You guys do remember to save for SF4 aswell. I'm getting both hard times but those are musthaves

[The Judderman]

Well thats probaly right but if it took them nearly 5 years to make Killzone2 it will be a long wait before they release another game... might even be next gen.

[Graphics Whore]

The engine is already done.

[PirateThom]

Yeah, anyone who thinks another game would take 5 years is ignoring the fact that the reason games like Killzone 2 and Metal Gear Solid 4 took so long to come out is that they use custom engines. They've been built from the ground up for PS3, rather than using middleware engines.

Now, these engines can be used for other games, shared with other PS3 developers or be optomised for future releases.

[Helghast Slayer]

The level off stupidity from bots is truly staggering. All they know is lies, can't blame them though. Anyone who follows M$ would be delusional too.

[The Judderman]

Lets just hope it doesn't take them 5 years like killzone2 has or we will have to wait till the Ps4.

[Antan]

If theres a KZ3 im pretty sure it will be on PS3. All the tech is in place now, just have to worry about story, level design and so on.....
The big selling point i`d hope for would be co-op.

[Sarcasm]

Food for thought:

Uncharted.
MGS4.
Resistance series.
GT5P.
Killzone 2.
Wipeout HD.
Motorstorm Series.
LBP.
GoWIII.
Heavy Rain.
Wardevil.

and many many more games. What do they have in common? They are all proprietary engines made from scratch specifically for the PS3 hardware. And besides Resistance and Motorstorm, they are the first iteration of they're respective engines.

So imagine the sequels. Instead of taking half of the development time to create an engine from scratch, they just have to re-use the previous engine and improve upon it. They will get to focus more on gameplay, story, and features instead of making an engine.

Killzone 3? We'll see it in two years gauranteed. And if everyone is already blinded by the mirror glass sheen of Killzone 2, everyone's eyes will implode at the insane polish which will be Killzone 3.

[Graphics Whore]

If anyone knows dutch then you can hit up Gamekings and there's a walk through of how it's made.

http://www.gamekings.tv/

[dredgewalker]

We better hope Killzone 2 really brings in the bacon for them cause its a $60 million gamble with this game. If we wanna have more games that looks better than Killzone 2 then we better make sure that they get back all their investments so they can make a new project as quickly as possible.

[Sarcasm]

Theoretically, to make back $60 million from Killzone 2. They have to sell just one million copies. Which to be honest I think won't be a problem.

But to make back money from Killzone 2 advertising, publishing, and things like that. Then yes it will need to sell more than just one million copies.

It's really all up to Sony how they will advertise this game. God forbids, they'll pull some stupid decision a week before the game's release (LBP anyone?) and Kill the momentum.

[scheme_a]

Obviously they will need to sell a lot. And I mean A LOT to actually make profit out of it, but I'm sure most of its cost went to development of the engine, so they can offset the cost by making KZ3 or some other game with the same engine (tweaked, of course,) or licensing other developers to use their engine.

[Lord Vader]

"We can get more out of the PS3 in future projects..."

How much money has been spent on this game ??? I heard more than Gears 1 & 2 combined. With the what 4 or 5 year development cycle & the money thats been thrown at this game, & the fact that Guerrilla says they can get "much more out of the PS3", it makes me wonder...

What happened to co-op ? Seriously, every decent AAA game nowadays has it, especially shooters, so why no co-op ???

Just curious Guerrilla.

[LeShin]

So I take it COD4, Bioshock and Farcry 2 aren't AAA in your eyes then?

[Lord Vader]

How old are those games compared to the KZ2 release date and again, how much money & time has been spent on this game & it cant do something that COD:W@W or 2006's Gears 1 or even Gears 2 that was developed in 2 years for less than half the cost of KZ2 ???

And no, FarCry is nowhere near AAA.

[Strife Lives]

Getting dissed for not making a halo killer the 1st time round. And now. . . .jaw dropping. . .stunning game engine,created by GG.

[MerkinMax]

That with tweaks to their engine they can make their next game surpass KZ2 while only using 60% of the SPU. If they make their upgraded and or new engine more efficient than the one they are currently using expect huge leaps in graphics.

[Rexysgod]

These are the kind of games we expect in this generation.I really can't wait to get my copy. Now what else does those media bias have to say about this game. Start punishing and publishing false reviews and articles because it is a playstation3 exclusive.Remember that the coexistence of ps3 and xbox360 is good for us since it creates a lot of competition which makes the consumer a winner. Think twice those who want the dearth of the ps3 because you might get what you want one day!

[grantps3]

wow....guerilla games is just amazing....possibly one of the most talented group of people in the industry....second game they ever made and it set a new bar for console games.

guerrilla games is probubly my favorite dev...they are talented, humble, and realy just want to make the best game they can.

killzone 2 FTW, but i am equaly excited to know what their next project is/

[resistance100]

4th Game they have made actually but anyway.

Making great looking games is the reason why Sony brought them out. I remember years ago when they created a Tech Demo using PS2 hardware which blew everyone away, and so sony snapped them up straight away.

Also everything GG make is always done in house.

[mjcrow33]

next gen started with MGS4

[Cajun Chicken]

True, but before that it was Uncharted and R&C: Future.

[Nathaniel_Drake]

Holy Crap they can do better?!?!?! Bring it on!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[LinuxGuru]

That real-time ray tracing is what was thought impossible with only 1 PS3 when they showed that tech demo a while back with 3 PS3s doing it.

I am more than impressed with the PlayStation 3. This is just mindblowing, the overall quality we're seeing here.

[Raoh]

10 year plan

[Oner]

Along with proper business planning & development that pushes innovation instead of rushing to beat a competitor and making something basically "off the shelf".

[pornflakes]

And at the end SOny has to put all their exklusives into bundles to reach good sales.. cause most ppl buy the PS3 only for watching movies.

KZ2 Bundle was already confirmed, hahahaha.

Hell man, why is Sony so frustrated, i think because without bundles they would have every month negativ news about how BAD -THEIR- games sell.

PS3rd will just stay on 3rd place this gen. And yeah TEH CELLs future in 3 years wont care anybody, cause in 3 years 6/8/10 cores will be standart.

[Helghast Slayer]

The only person showing signs of frustration is you, knowing that you purchased a matchbox that can't provide you with ground breaking gameplay. We will let Sony worry about the sales and enjoy the BEST F#CKING GAME this gen lol.

[PR3DAT0R]

well i now know the biggest retard on n4g

[PR3DAT0R]

well if i recall i seem to remember a HALO and GEOW bundle
so whats your point?
OH wait you don't have one your just bashing something that is more powerful than your little xbox!

[likedamaster]

@8.3 (Predator)

No offense buddy, but the Halo series or the GOW series were never bundled. Nice try though. Try dropping links so you won't seem so misinformed.

On topic/
I'm still not impressed. The characters still look cartoony, laser sight is still wobbly and animations are laughable not to mention Enemy and friendly A.I. are horrible(from what I've seen). No co-op or splitscreen? Oh well, I'd still like to go through the story and pwn some Helghast.

[PirateThom]

http://www.planetxbox360.co...

[cereal_killa]

http://www.bizrate.com/vide...
thought I would help you out with the ownage Thom. Mmmmmmmm! FOOT the food of the 360 fanboy

[Oner]

Man I love it when misinformed people who post as if they are "right" get put in their place with facts and proof...THAT is how you truly "own" someone; with verifiable information that can't be refuted. +1 & bubbles

[PR3DAT0R]

well i got both halo and gears of war games in a bundle package so no offence buddy but your my next trophy!

[dolomite]

Yep, with the way things look and how games are taking longer to develop, we'll probably see KZ3 before the end of the PS3 life cycle. KZ4 (if there is one) will more than likely be on the PS4. By then we'll either have flying cars or all be dead from the 2012 ordeal, lol.

[Helghast Slayer]

The hate is strong with this one lol.

[UltimateIdiot911]

Not hate, it's fear my friend.

[Sarcasm]

Oh they will know. That Helghan belongs to the helghast.

[SleekDeF]

push it harder than KZ2 i have to see what they talkin about

[dustgavin]

It is crazy to think that the Ps3 is pushing visuals this astounding while only entering it's third year. I guess they meant it when they stated they were in it for the long haul.

[xtreampro_REVENGE]

i wish they spend the next 5 years working on KZ3 but this time with a better 70x's more advanced Engine, lol all the bots are gonna get torchered in the 'CELL' (processor) lol!

[Belasco]

How many times are you IDIOTS going to believe Sony hype? And you all have very short memories, remember last gen when Xbox games ALWAYS looked better than any Ps2 game? Remember when sony fanboys were all 'graphics arent important, its having a huge library of games thats important', now look at all of you. Hypacrites, every one of you.

[Hercules]

why didnt they just put it all in K2? i will still pick it up though,..

[Oztheboss]

This is all fantastic and all..

But the dutch language. My lord. :P

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

but this game is going to spoil the hell out of us with PS3's, now more devs. have got to get on board with Sony... and Sony better get on board with the devs... to get their games up to the par and beyond of Killzone 2. Im not dumb, I've played some great games on PS3. I love the insane depth to the things you can do in Littlebigplanet, and I love the story and beautiful graphics of Uncharted. But NOTHING I've seen on PS3 is like Killzone, NOTHING!. Killzone's release is finally going to stress the exclusive devs. to break even with Killzone's graphics or go above them... I feel anything less will be over looked! the royalty of gamers getting Killzone 2, will now possibly be PS3 devs. burden of having to bust all a$$ on the PS3's hardwear to get similar visuals/etc. out of their products!

Killzone 2 WILL sell PS3's. I've been a PS3 owner with having my 60 gig when they dropped in price back in the day. But I know Im not alone with going to expect more of Sonys games with the release of Killzone 2. I want to be/need to be blown away visually by more than Killzone 2 and Heavy Rain... Sony!. But maybe Im expecting too much? but shouldn't I? when we will be playing a beast like KZ2 at the end of next month?

[ultimolu]

Guerrilla f*cking rocks.

[cereal_killa]

Killzone 2 the true

BIGGER BETTER and MORE BAD A$$!!!!!!!!!!! Feb 27th can not come fast enough hopefully I'm in England b4 that so I can pick it up on the 25th. After seeing what GG did with KZ2 I can imagine what they will do with KZ3 or anything they decide to come up with after that.

[BMS84]

They said they are using 40% and in some area s up to 60 % max , way more powerfull than the xbox360...

The PS3 has as much memory as a 360. It is through good approximation of the SPU can be enormous amount of data by the graphics card pumps. Even more than the 360 GPU. Previously we did TFlops tests on both consoles, but the PS3 could then only 1 SPU this test. Now, with the current development tools and compilers, the only pipeline TFLops more. Killzone 2, If only 40% are used, up to 60% in 5% of the game that is promising in the future.

Btw .. The SPU has been developed that allow you more things, SPU / CELL Grapics not have all the computing Graphics RSX, the power and then the SPU takes the tasks of the RSX.

Killzone 2 uses up to 60% in 5% of the game (some area's) of the power SPU NO SYSTEM force.

So the calculations RSX sent to the SPU and not vice versa.

Btw , % Are easy to calculate for the PS3. Precisely because it can do so by measures to measure the SPU `s. What I/O seperator that are currently using.

That also means that for example Uncharted 1, used 2 spu's , and so much detail. Just great.
Sony has given this good and this one put together Future Proof console.

Sony Rulezz

[bviperz]

Just awesome.