In this weeks Next-Gen Console Watch, we take a look at the state of Xbox and PlayStation following their big summer showcases. We also break down the Xbox Extended presentation from Microsoft, which offered a deeper dive into games they showcased on Sunday. Plus, we have a poll for you to vote on at IGN.com—we want to know, after seeing the summer showcases, what game are you most excited for this fall?
Here is the start date and time for the Xbox Games Summer Showcase 2024 with bundles of exciting leaks and how to watch.
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on June 9th.
this is so odd. we had ps before the summer fest and now xbox after.
The rumor is 30 games with a nearly 2 hour show. I hope so I, been saying they need to go balls to the wall with their showcase. That's according to Grubb again. Yeah a huge pinch of salt he's only been wrong or half right about some stuff.
There's also suppose to be a Wu Tang Clan game that's a kungfu action RPG featuring the legendary hip hop group New Yorks own Wu Tang Clan. You read right Wu Tang Clan kungfu action RPG.
Sounds weird, random and quirky but hey I'm down to see it.
State of decay 3 info is leaking on twitter!
Looks good. Personally don’t play horror/ zombie games, but I appreciate it’s a good game so that’s a win for Xbox fans.
Lord knows they need a win at the moment
Appreciate the concern, but I think we'll be just fine. Hope you all enjoy tomorrow's show.
Replies(1)I hope it's a good showing knowing most games that will be shown will be multiplats & XB timed exclusives that'll eventually become multi-plats.
It is what it is at this point.
At least the good games will have a chance to be bought, take advantage of the superior DualSense, and *maybe* give those studios a better shot at survival.
They'll also have better shadows, and run with higher dynamic res on the PS5 Pro.
So if they're multiplat would you suddenly like Xbox games?
You never have before you've made that clear several times over.
My point is what I said. You don't like Xbox games, you've said it repeatedly. So would you suddenly like Xbox games if they were available on PS5.
Hopefully they are multi plat.
The lord knows PS needs some games, such a drought going on.
Nearly 90% of Xbox players who have started Hellblade 2 haven't made it through the action-adventure game's short seven-hour runtime to complete its story.
Remember when games were fun and entertaining and not just pretty graphics? That might have something to do with it.
Yeah, that's one thing thats wrong in the industry today outta many things. Heard someone on here on the Lego horizon game saying its a kiddie game same for astro and they'll pass on them. Like these games are fun they might appeal to kids more but they are fun for all ages. Theres a reason why Nintendo games sell better its because they are fun and thats what Nintendo is known for. I feel people forget to have fun but instead play consoles wars and graphic wars. They are a lot of indie games that are fun just like Nintendo games but people pass because how it looks etc.
Nintendo usually focuses on making fun games that also happen to look good or have great art styles. Astro Bot on PS5 is a breath of fresh air in an industry ruled by GaaS garbage. Good platformers are rare these days.
And I’m sure I’m in the minority but I think Lego Horizon Adventures looks more fun than the actual mainline Horizon games. 🤷♂️
The Lego games aren't any fun to me as they have copied and pasted the formula for 20 years but I do enjoy a good platformer that brings back the golden age of gaming.
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DEATH STRANDING
on PlayStation (PS4)
Thanks for Everything
Complete Episode 14: Lou.
22.9% of players unlocked this.
So, more than double (above average) and it's a much longer game with a lot more content
Death Stranding
Main Story40½ Hours
Main + Extra60 Hours
Completionist113 Hours
Only kids under 10 and hardcore Lego fans like Lego games..
I think Guerrilla totally lost it to make such games. They could have outsourced the project and given us something more serious..
No matter how it turns, people will buy.
@cacabunga
Guerrilla is not developing the game. It's a licensed LEGO game using the Horizon IP but Sony and Guerrilla are not making it.
I agree. Every lego game feels exactly the same. And some of the "puzzles" are incredibly obtuse. Hard pass. I'll take the real deal over lego. That said, my kids are into the lego games, so they'll probably have me play with them until I start drifting off to sleep.
The graphics are so overrated. So much of the graphical budget just went to rocks and other lifeless backgrounds at sub 1080p and 30fps.
You look at Horizon:FW and birds are flying around animals are running around everywhere while you fight packs of robot-animals and it's all at 60FPS and 1440p+. I don't care what anyone says HFW looks better and plays much better. And it's a whole open world not just little scenes covered in darkness to they can maintain framerate's by not having to process anything distant.
And the game has a nothiness story because the first game didn't need a sequel. So, HB2 just seems forced, which is exactly what it was. HB1 was tied to Sony, so Microsoft just wanted to steal a sequel to not put on PlayStation. That's the only reason HB2 exists, so Microsoft could have a game with ties to PlayStation they could keep off PlayStation, simply the most petty of possible reasons. And it shows.
That's what I said, the Lego horizon looks fun more then the OG. Not to say the OG isnt fun but its just I dont have the engagement idk what words to put it. I know returnal and other house marq games and isomniac games had that feeling of fun and engagement
I spent almost 150 hours on the HZD + Frozen wilds so I don't really get what you're saying. The reason I still have yet to sink more time into Forbidden West is because I still want to 100% the Frozen Wild trophies and I have been loving the time I spent with the game.
Agree I recently replayed earthbound and fell in love with it again it's a basic looking SNES game but the gameplay and charm just gets me and really reminds me games are not about pushing pixels they should be fun and if they can also bring Joy that's great.
There's far to many games dealing with dark and dreary overly emotional depressing games like hellblade 2 that barely let you play the game.
I want fun more than anything these days
Or it's been a walking simulator majority of the time might have something to do with it as well. The user review scores on metacritic.com mentions that as well
So silly... The game was released on gamepass to millions of people... Use the math side of your brain and not the fanboy side.
Nearly 90% of Xbox players ----->who have started Hellblade 2<---- haven't made it through the action-adventure game's short seven-hour runtime to complete its story.
An Amazing Number of Players Have Marvel's Spider-Man 2's Platinum Trophy
https://www.pushsquare.com/...
According to current Trophy data, 20.3 per cent of players have earned the sequel's Platinum gong.
Over half of players have completed the main story — 58 per cent to be precise — which, again, is unusually high, but for a fifth of all players to stick around and complete all the districts and side content too is pretty astounding.
Still, a 20 per cent rate for the Plat is ridiculously high. As far as we can tell, the next highest first-party Platinum rate is for Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart, which is currently at 12 per cent.
Most Sony exclusives have had a higher than industry average of 15-20 percent of their players complete the game both God of War's, Ghost of Tsushima and all three Spider-Man games as well as both Horizon games have fallen into this bracket, and they are much longer than 6 hours.
Edit: oh and btw HB2 wasn't even that popular on xbox, the game peaked at something like 23 most popular game
‘Hellblade 2’ Launches As The 23rd Most-Played Xbox Game, What Does That Mean?
https://www.forbes.com/site...
Hellblade II peaks at under 4,000 concurrent players on Steam
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Millions of gamers not playing the game. How are you arguing FACTS?! Lol.
10 million people could have downloaded it. That would mean only 1 million of that completed it. Do you even know MATH?!
When your story can be completed in one sitting and nearly 90% still didn't complete it, it doesn't bode very well.
I'm taking my time with it. I know it's a short game and all. I've been playing it at a half hour to an hour at a time before I go to sleep. I work pretty early so I can't spend all night playing. I think I'm pretty close to the end.
Was about to say that. It's almost as if people got bored with nice visuals and didn't find the game fun enough to continue.
The times we live in are sad compared to the golden era I was lucky to experience 30 years ago. Games were fun and were made to be played, not watched. Now all the big publishers and console manufacturers seem to be only able to discern two game genres. Multiplayer focused online game and story driven single player games.
Where are gameplay driven games?
I have more fun in VR while playing small indie games than I do playing big "story driven" AAA flat games.
To each of their own, but for me, fun and gameplay are the most important. Then amazing visuals. And then music and sound design. And then maybe humor and only on the last place - the story. I can get good story cheaper and more convenient. This is what books and movies do better. Especially with that stupid trend to pursue realism in visuals. One more hardware generation and it will basically be a movie rendered in real time. For 70€ and with "gameplay" instead of gameplay. And then those same clueless idiots will survey young gamers and conclude they only want competetive online multiplayer games.
I mean, I played River Raid the first time and within seconds I knew I want to play games.
A guy who never played anything besides multiplayer games, will check one of those interactive movies and walk away, seeing nothing interesting in it. For us, veteran gamers, visuals may be impressive cause we know the limitations. But for some newcomer? They have no idea about the CPU or GPU limitations. They will just see a weird looking "movie" with boring and lacking gameplay design and mechanics.
I'd like to say Nintendo will keep supplying good, big budget games focused on gameplay, but Nintendo is just a name of a corporation. When the old staff leaves...
Anyway. I sure hope Mario Kart 10 won't have any stupid career mode with 300 minutes of cut-scenes in it.
Usually games like that are launch games. Designed to showcase what a system can do. I’d honestly love to play HB2 but the digital only release blows.
I suspect Game Pass has something to do with this also. Being less financially invested in a product is a sure route to not caring enough to complete it. Also indicative of the audience that occupies Xbox, they bought the wrong studio for their platform. Which again will hurt Xbox.
Even then it's still a head scratcher because it's really quite short. I think its just lacking severly in gameplay. Its a sometime pretty art piece... sure
Looks like just PlayStation his have 80 percent or more who never finished them... Speaks more about the state of games these days...
"Diving deeper into the stats, we can see that only 52% of Hellblade 2 Xbox players made it past the first boss and unlocked The Next Sign achievement. You encounter Hellblade 2's first boss after about 30 minutes"
90% of players didn't beat the story and only about half beat the first boss. This is just baffling to me when you take into account how short the game is. Just, wow
I picked up The Order 1886 for $20 and played it around Halloween. It was good and I enjoyed it, but yeah not perfect by any means. The visuals were nuts.
In actually just picked up the order last month and man did it's time it was not judged fairly game is amazing
Yeah, that game was legitimately good and the story was going places plus the setting was fantastic.
And it was a really early gen game too, not like HB2 which is a mid gen game.
The crazy thing is this isn't even new. This has been a growing issue since gen 7. There have been countless great games where if you look at the trophy/achievement data only like 30% or less of players actually finish any games they play. It's kind of insane. I can sort of understand with open world games where player fatigue kicks in, but plenty of linear games like this never get finished. It's like players start games and then just move on to the next thing a week later.
While this is true for a lot of games, it's even worse when you consider how long Hellblade 2 is. I understand if a game is 20+ hours and you move on to something else a week later. But this game doesn't take a week to complete, it takes a handful of hours.
Agreed. Hellblade 2 isn't some extended experience. It can be beat in just a couple of nights.
Not baffling when you touch the game and realize it’s just a big cut scene. It’s not fun and it sucks so makes sense.
It's not that baffling. GamePass lets people pretty instantly click A on a game to start playing it, look at the graphics, say "whoa that's cool" and then go back to whatever multiplayer nonsense they usually play. You don't even need to download the game, you can just stream it for a sec. These numbers are a bit meaningless.
I do think being on GamePass was a major nail in HellBlade 2's coffin. Games on subscription services feel inherently valueless and I personally can never get into them.
This is the audience Microsoft has cultivated on Xbox.
I don't blame them for trying with acquiring Ninja Theory, but at this point, it's difficult to dispute that this is too little, too late.
You can't finish the game.. there is no "gameplay".
The funny thing is that the main character trained (in real life) for 2 years to fight with a sword, in a game where there is almost no fighting.
U must be playing a different game oh wait minute u haven't even played this game gotcha
As PlayStation announces its new strategy to encourage PC users to choose PS5 it is a bitter-sweet moment for PC gamers.
I mean, it's a business based on hardware market. Do we expect them to not even try? It's not like Nintendo doesn't do the same by not putting any games on PC and Microsoft until recently did the same. I don't care what they attempt, as long as they don't abuse the community or lie about their goals/requirements.
Will it work? Not likely. Should we care? No. Let them waste their time, it doesn't affect anything.
let them try ... at the end of the day, we get few extra PC games ... yay ... and also promotes game preservation via PC ... so double yay.
If only Playstation games provided the ease of pc gaming features.
Primary being very few PS games support m/kb.
If only PC games supported controllers more. Main reason I play primarily on console. So many games have shit support on PC. Playing Dark Envoy now, and it's quite frustrating since I have to switch to keyboard during cut scenes just to make sure advancing conversation doesn't also auto-select a decision. Let alone it's quite rough to select between characters and inventory screens are bad bad bad.
Anywho, similar complaints for both I find. But, I 100% agree that both PC and consoles should support both as best as possible.
As someone with a high end PC, I feel like the ease is on PS5. Too many PC games are a troubleshooting nightmare, which few people have the time for when all you want to do is pop in a game & play it.
I just use an Xbox controller on my laptop for everything 😆 .. I haven't used a keyboard / mouse combo for PC gaming since 1996
@Yui_Suzumiya
While I agreed... I also can not agree completely. Many of my PC games from pre-2000s era do not support a controller through non-official means ("non-official" means I can't map KB/M commands to a controller without the need for 3rd party apps). I would prefer not having to download shoddy apps from Joe's Programming Imporium™ just to play ye olde PC games. In those cases I make due with KB/M. Also, game preservation is hit or miss for the same reasons. The official support is spotty. Without 3rd party emulation of old PC games... for newer PCs. It's a big old mess on PC. The real disappointment will be that PS might not ever implement full PS library support in future consoles... but PC gets so much slack when there is very little official support from the major OS developer Microsoft for the same thing.
Adding to the hypocrisy of PC gamers is the fact that MS is locking down Windows OS more and more with each new update to Win 11 never mind each new numbered OS version (same on Android - iOS was always the most restrictive along with Mac OS or OSx). Eventually all PC gamers will need to morph into Linux power users just to enjoy most, but not all, of the stuff they claim they want most from PC as a platform and then they'll be strangled by much poorer and slower driver support while still paying a hefty premium for all their HW. Dual boot will be their future at best which introduces its own set of issues.
I don't think you understand what I mean by the lack of m/kb support on PS.
Over a thousand titles have PS controller support on PC.
Not even 30 titles have m/kb support on PS5.
Once you are done with the single player title, you'll go back to playing your daily shooter/looter/mmo etc which the pc gamer has mastered with their mouse and keyboard.
Why would any pc gamer make the switch?
PC is secondary to PlayStation for them. Mouse and keyboard would affect development. Live service will have it but most single player games aren’t going to have it as PC is not the focus
I didn't miss it. I explained why I, a former PC only gamer, now play primarily on consoles. I don't play MP games, and the games I tend to play are better supported with controllers on console. Let alone some games aren't even supported with controller at all on PC. On console you are guaranteed the best support since it's the primary input. The fact is, PC isn't the best choice for every gamer just like consoles aren't the best choice for every gamer.
If you wanted to only disparage consoles and ignore any benefit of console, cool. But that's not how it is. There is no perfect platform for everyone. It's why we have the hardware market that we have.
Were none of you around in the 90s?
PS already did this and likely I'm not the only PC to PS convert. Even if I were the only person on Earth to see the horrible direction of PC gaming and recognizes the PC platforms failures only got worse (DRM only became more draconian and now phyiscal games are like a myth with GPU manufacturers - not just Nvidia - making mistakes left and right with APIs degrading performance of games more than the aforementioned draconian DRM along with the asinine pricing model that everyone complains about and then prides themselves for pirating games software to save a buck when PC games are already the cheapest and I could go on forever)... PC as a platform their audience by and large and the fragmentation of HW... PC is a whole huge a•• mess! Windows is also the PCs own walled garden that no one wants to admit. Linux is only currently being seen as ok for PC gaming because of Steam OS not Proton or WINE or any of the emulation pathways available (WINE, Proton and all the others I forget the names of are all forms of emulation)... Who games on Mac? PC covers any desktop laptop or otherwise static or portable electronic non-communication device capable of running a wide array of programs users may purchase from basically anywhere... but if you play videogames... you're on Windows or trying to emulate Windows. Also the love of Steam Deck just shows PC Gamers are in a state of complete confusion.
Hardcore PC Gamer: 'I love PC fully maxed out power, can't stand 30FPS, 120FPS or bust at very high/max settings or bust. Console gamers are such peasants on cheap slow HW!'
Steam Deck launches...
Same HC PC Gamer: 'I take my Steam Deck everywhere, its not at all a dealbreaker to play huge PC games at ultra low settings at an intolerable and wobbly 30FPS in resolutions well below 720p! Also, consoles still suck.'
Sounds demented, but we see this all the time here and everywhere and its not just online. I know several PC gamers like this IRL. I was never that kind of PC gamer, but I am a graphics snob. Some of the most impressive games with the best visual presentations were console games. Driveclub is still amongst the most visually spectacular games ever created.
I wish them the best of luck.
But PC players are often a patient bunch, many will even wait for Epic launcher exclusivity to end until a game comes to Steam.
If they didnt buy the console when its games were exclusive, why would they do it now theyre not?
All you need is that one game that'll make a few switch at a time. Like a game a PC player REALLY wants.
It just doesn't work that way though. Plenty of the best games ever made were never available on PC. That didn't make PC gamers buy consoles to play them. This kind of strategy has never worked in the past and it won't work now. It's fine for PS to hold their games back and release on PC later, but to think that will boost console sales is wishful thinking. All this will accomplish is some double dipping, which is obviously good for business.
People aren't going to switch from pc to ps5, why would anyone do that for a game?
Most sony exclusives aren't all that to begin with, and pc has the option to upgrade what they want when they want it. Having access to some ps5 games, gamepass and steam.
Thinking this would happen is naive
I mean if there's 10 million pc gamers out there...getting atleast just 1 million from there is probably a good thing..right?
PC players are not a monolith, I don't know why people keep thinking they speak for the entirety of all PC gamers like they all know each other personally. You think out of the millions of PC gamers not one single person will be impatient?Well Sony is willing to bet there will be. Why would they do it now? People's feelings change and new PC gamers come along all the time that may also feel different about waiting, that's why.
PC gamers are just too patient and loyal to their gaming set ups, something they've spent a lot of money on to perfect. They have backlogs of games which many never get round to finishing or get round to at all and will always have other multiplatform releases to keep them going.
Over the many years Sony has published so many awesome titles such as The Last of Us, Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, Infamous, Killzone, LittleBigPlanet, Dreams, Puppeteer, Resistance, Heavy Rain, Gran Turismo, Motor Storm, God of War, Horizon, Ratchet and Clank, Spiderman, Ghost of Tsushima, Bloodborne
If none of those games BEFORE all these PC ports convinced a hardcore PC gamer to get a PS5 console then why on Earth would porting them them to PC now make any difference? All PC gamers now know 100% is that they just have to be patient, which they are good at anyway to get a PS5 game 2 years later.
I get GaaS games or multiplayer focused titles but if people really want to play these games they'd have gotten a PS console years ago.
Not sure they're aiming to convince the hardcore PC gamer.
Not sure why people are obsessing over his comment...it seems pretty simple to me.
He will do all he can to entice gamers to move to his ecosystem. As you say....exclusives existing hasn't moved many gamers over. But if they get to try them and love the games then they might change their mind about waiting 2 years.
We're in an echo chamber on this site...I've Personally seen people with Xbox and PC setups but no PlayStation. I've also seen people with small PC setups but no console. Not every pc gamer invests thousands and many may decide to put one in the living room.
They're not looking to convince all of players to buy a PlayStation...just a few...and really it is just a PR statement after all...they have to give a reason why single player won't release day 1....not to mention they also have to ensure current PlayStation gamers don't jump ship to PC. It goes both ways and they're ignoring the big L by putting any of their games off their platform.
it's not just about loyalty or sunk cost, pc is an open platform while consoles are closed platforms. If you for example want to mod, you will play on pc, no question about it. Also if you like indie games, steam is a fucking goldmine for that. I've been playing a lot of indie games over the last years and there just seems to be an endless amount of them on steam. Also not having games locked to a certain fps is a prettty big deal for me and I assume a lot of other pc players.
@Walalon Steam sales are basically the same as PS sales. I was going to buy a Steam Deck and I heard about these Steam sales but the games I was interested in were not any cheaper. Indie games were cheap and older AAA were cheap but the same can be said for PS store sales. I didn’t end up getting the Steam Deck as there weren’t any games that I wanted to play that wasn’t already on PS and prices aren’t much different
And how do you know out of the millions of PC gamers that not one single person ever went ahead and bought a PlayStation console for one or more of those games? People keep speaking for the entirety of millions of PC gamers like they know them all personally. Here's one example for you, I'm currently typing on a recently purchased PC that cost me over twenty five hundred dollars and is more than capable of running any game including Sony exclusives that come to PC and yet I still bought a PS5 so apparently I'm not patient or loyal enough to my set up, hope it's not mad at me for not being loyal.
Some of those people will consider getting a PS5 some wont. I was a PC gamer for a long time and I’m a console only gamer now. Everyone’s different.
Lol. A lot of those games were PS3 games franchises, and a lot of PC gamers picked up a PS, PS2, PS3, and a PS4 for those games. Why wouldn't the same happen for PS5??? Even the biggest PC fanboys admit they have at least one current console. There aren't as many hold-outs as you think there are. I myself got my start playing videogames on PC as a young child. PC quickly became secondary to PS even as most of my favorites were on PC... what I didn't know was that my favorite PC games were PS first-party games. And that is what pulled me more into the PS ecosystem. Now I'm mostly on PS and PC is generally post-secondary to mobile gaming. I don't play a lot of modern phone games, but many of my non-gaas 'ancient' phone games still work on my most recent phone with Android 14. So, I do play more on my phone than on PC these days... it's something else. If you told me in 1994 that I would be a console gamer. By the year 1998, I'd demand you to explain your reasoning. The chronic unchanging issues of PC forced me away and ultimately the user experience of playing and just enjoying games instead of constantly fiddling and no longer having to hope that new software will work properly kept me focused on console. Primarily PS, but I still had some fondness for Nintendo up until 2012. Xbox killed my interest in them with my relatively short experience playing on Xbox 360 for a few months during the PSN outage.
Who cares? Then just stay on PC and play the waiting game. No big deal. Sony wins in the end anyway.
Yup. If the strategy doesnt work, all they have to do is to change their mind, publish the games on PC, and they still win anyway.
If the strategy doesn't work they'll pull their games from PC yet again.
This happened before, in the 90s and yes I'm one of the PC to PS converts and ultimately it was Psygnosis' future WipEout games going to PSP that pushed me over the edge. If PS games on PC continue to underperform PS will pull out of the PC market. They know releasing day and date on PC will only give PS gamers a reason not to buy their HW and this might result in software just not selling especially since some will wait for that game to build their PC around. If that HW is too expensive some gamers will just wait for the price of HW to drop and software will be forgotten. How many times has that happened to you? Well, you forgot about it so...
I mean if there's any single player Sony games that I actually want that aren't on PC then I would buy said console to play them on. But the ones that I like that aren't on PC are few and far between anyway so no loss for me.
If I game, it's usually multiplayer titles, otherwise I like playing around with some other software.
Astro Bot is the game that just did it for me. I'm gonna have to grab a PS5 again for that.
I did this for Ratchet Rift Apart too but ended up selling the PS5 after getting my plat. Rebought it on PC and other than GoW Ragnarok and Horizon FW (which eventually I could get anyway), I haven't had a reason to downgrade my graphics, controller features, ease of recording, and increase my game costs and monthly subscriptions throughout this entire generation.
I play on a TV with a controller but this has been the absolute worst console gen for both consoles. Never in my life thought I'd be a PC gamer but I've been spoiled by the cheap costs, cross-platform controllers and mostly the unbelievably useful Steam controller config.
