Starfield At 30FPS Is A Creative Decision, Says Xbox's Phil Spencer

"At some point, not to get all geeky about it, but there's render time per-frame and teams can either want to go horizontal or go kind of deep on a frame, and it's a creative choice.

We obviously have games that are running at 4K/60 on the platform. It’s not a platform issue, it’s a creative decision.

I trust the decisions Bethesda Game Studios makes, and I trust what I'm playing.

I don't ever want us to turn playing games into a math exercise... I'm not saying that 60[FPS] or resolution don't impact what you play, but I don't think we want that to turn into an Excel thing.

I think you want to give the creatives the tools to make the best decisions, and the game will be what it is.

I think Starfield's going to be a great game and I love the reception today, and I don't want to kind of force specs on every game before they start."

[Knushwood Butt]

'and I trust what I'm playing.'.

He played Redfall.

[chrisx]

Yeah. Just another PR talk nothing more. There's no excuse as to why this game doesn't have an option to play at 60fps, I mean Xbox is the most powerful console ever, or so they were using as the bragging rights.

[RpgSama]

This is not a Math exercise, you should not bring up the fact that it's a 12 teraflops machine, those are just numbers in an excel sheet, the option to play in 60fps are just numbers in an excel spreadsheet, they do not make a difference, LOL.

The mental gymnastics of "Good Guy Phil" are amazing.

[EvertonFC]

Agreed, I find it funny how lots of the Xbox YouTube influencers have said there playing Starfield on PC yet they've been saying Xbox is back baby on there respective channels yet there playing it in on PC 😂🤣

[darthv72]

40fps would be a nice trade off... if it supported 120hz output.

[dumahim]

Has there been any Xbox 40fps games yet? I mean, meant to run that, on purpose.

[Army_of_Darkness]

Everyone stfu. Xbox finally has an exclusive. Let them enjoy the moment.

[Profchaos]

It's sad to not see more of a push to a 40 fps minimum it's barely any sacrifice to fidelity but it's infinitely more playable and provides vrr owners current and future a way to further boost the performance of the game.

[-Foxtrot]

And Crackdown 3

[SullysCigar]

And Halo: Craig's Adventures

[Sonic1881]

Didn't the Xbox fans shit on Zelda for being locked in 30fps? Now they're cool with Starfield being locked in 30fps. Let that sync in for a second 😂 when Zelda tears of the kingdom wins GOTY hopefully they won't complain that a game in 30fps wins the award

[Jin_Sakai]

Zelda is on an outdated relic while Starfield is on a powerful 12TF console. There simply no excuse for not having a 60fps performance mode option.

And 60fps would just make GOTY contender TotK an even better experience.

[Sonic1881]

Bethesda game engine is also an outdated Relic. They been using that engine since Skyrim

[Rdeal]

Redfall was in production before they bought them and they are not going to scrap it when they can just stick it on gamepass

[343_Guilty_Spark]

This isn’t Redfall.

[-Foxtrot]

No one would really give a shit if he wasn’t going over the top with PR about the worlds most powerful console and how it can easily handle 60fps back when the console launched

Once again Phil’s PR bullshit comes back and bites him on the arse, if he shut his mouth more then this wouldn’t be a huge deal

[IMissJimRyan]

If you write your logic in a way that it needs more than 16,6ms there's no room for 60fps even if you made it 240p. Those games made with Gamebryo are the most interactive ow games out there. I think there's no other engine that tracks every object you move.

Maybe they just keep adding to the logic side of the engine and reached the limit of what Xbox Series is capable of doing in terms of CPU in 16,6ms.

[darthv72]

for the type of game it is (space exploration), 30 sounds like it will be offering the ideal experience as it relates to the various weight and gravity differences each world may hold.

back here on earth, 60 is more for racing, fighting and competitive shooters... this isnt any of those.

[IMissJimRyan]

It's not ideal, but it's what the cpu of these consoles are capable of. In a good pc I can't see any problem for this game running at 60fps or more.

Consoles have their limitations and CPU is always an issue.

[P_Bomb]

30 is ideal for Space exploration? The Mass Effect Legendary Edition @ 60/120 begs to differ.

“back here on earth, 60 is more for racing, fighting and competitive shooters... this isnt any of those.”

I’m on earth lol, and greatly appreciate 60 for all my action, adventure, platforming, rpg needs. TLOU Remake, Spider-man Remastered, DCUO, FF14. Hell, Sly Cooper. They all had one thing in common. 60 > 30.

[Redgrave]

I have seen some real reaches in my time for people to put their preference at the forefront, but "30fps more accurately represents the alien planets, whereas 60fps is more of an earth exclusive frame rate" is by long and far at the top.

We might have to preserve this comment by darthv72 for the Museum of Desperate Fanboyism because they have put out something truly special here.

[LonDonE]

@darthv72 dude stop accepting this crap, phil can go suck a ...... go replay fallout 4 or skyrim at 60fps on your series x and tell me it dont make a massive difference even on the gambryo engine or whatever hell its called.. playing oblivion and skyrim and fallout 4 at 60+fps is an incredible experience... and is how starfield should be... no reason at all to force us to play it at 4k whilst sacrificing framerate when we all know what skyrim used to play like on 360/ps3... was a terrible experience and constantly below a stable 30fps.

we deserve better, i love tod howard games but if i didnt have gaming pc i would of just not bought the game and would of played it on next gen when they eventually re-released it at 60fps...
We need to stop cutting bethesda and ms so much slack, phill and team xbox are a laughing stock at the moment and they give no shizzle for the loyal xbox gamers who spend £500 on a so called premium console
They need to give us the option to turn off the real time global illumination and other settings, i would prefer baked in lighting if it gives me 60fps.

[FinalFantasyFanatic]

I don't even have words for this, you can have a nice smooth jump around in space at 60fps or a choppy jump in space at 30fps, this game does have shooting too, doesn't it? Big reach.

[anast]

This isn't a real comment. Or is it?

[sinspirit]

@Darth

Wait.. 30 sounds ideal because it relates to various weight and gravity differences. How does this make any sense at all?

In no way in any game ever does 30 make more sense in a technical or realistic sense over 60. Reality is not 30fps. Physics don't make as much sense in 30fps. 30fps is a tradeoff either because of hardware limitation or developer limitation. It's not a design choice for the sake of design.

[SullysCigar]

Phil: "I don't ever want us to turn playing games into a math exercise..."
Also Phil: "12 TERAFLOPS BABY!!"

[RpgSama]

Numbers do not matter, they are just stuff that's in an excel sheet, stuff like if it's 4K, or frame rate, how much it reviews for, metacritic average, those are things that just go on an excel sheet, LOL.

You cannot make this up.

[EvertonFC]

I bet Phil's really regretting the series S, unfortunately they can't go back on that without a massive unrecoverable backlash from series S fans which lets face it are about 65% if sales.
They've well and truly messed up this gen with the introduction of the series S.
I wonder if they heard about the PS5 digital and thought playstation were going to have a playstation S but it's backfired ?

[MWeaver589]

I think it's far simpler.

For years they've tried to make Xbox the affordable/accessible option. This is why last generation they released a digital only console, there is Xbox All Access, and it has been a talking point for a while. It makes sense that a $300 console with Game Pass would be appealing to a lot of people, especially those who can't drop $500 on a Series X (that's a difference equal to two years of Game Pass at MSRP!).

The problem is, while it makes sense in terms of marketing, it doesn't translate particularly well for things like performance. It's one of those things where someone notices a potential market, doesn't calculate all the negatives of going there, and then discovers why said market exists.

[TiredGamer]

Agree that the Series S was a short-sighted decision to try to get a "leg-up" on early console sales. Even today, we don't know the breakout of X vs S console sales, which does and will play a role in decisions being made. While the chip shortages of 2021 ravaged sales for the Series X and PS5, MS was able to ride along with continuous availability of Series S. But in the end, we now have a technically fragmented generational pool right from the start.

[Rdeal]

They are regretting so much they made another one. You do realise it probably their best selling console

[Lightning77]

Tell me why it's only been Bethesda games that are 30 frames and the rest of the studios hit 60 fps then?

[maniacmayhem]

You guys seriously deal with strawman arguments, a developer making a creative decision doesn't take away the specs on the Xbox Series still being more powerful than the competition.

[-Foxtrot]

You're missing the point

This is not a big deal, who cares, the game looks promising

The issue is Phil's over the top 24/7 PR from the past is now biting him on the ass because it now LOOKS like a big deal based on his past comments about the Xbox Series X hardware and stance on 60fps.

[maniacmayhem]

"The issue is Phil's over the top 24/7 PR"

So Phil marketed the Xbox Series X which in truth and on paper is still the most powerful console on the market, but because Bethesda decided to make a game that is 30 fps this some how invalidates what Phil said?

You have to realize how ridiculous that sounds.

You guys over sensationalize everything Phil says and turn into an unnecessary debacle.

[-Foxtrot]

...Yeah you really aren't getting my point here are you

Never mind

[EvertonFC]

It's because Phil is full of sh*t

[Profchaos]

That's Microsoft when the one s dropped they touted it as the most powerful and only 4k console on the market as the pro hadn't launched yet despite fully knowing that the 4k functionality was never going to work with games just video playback on Netflix.

The only reason we got a one X was they felt embarrassed because they didn't have the most powerful system happens pretty much every gen they like power but don't know how to design for it.

I seriously wonder where Xbox would be today if Microsoft didn't fund every failure from their windows and Azure profits

[seanpitt23]

This is total BS If they could do 60fps they would.. believe me, if what they say is true then they would cap it on pc at 30fps but no they won't do that it's a total L

[Rdeal]

Any game can do 60fps but do you want to lose detail to do it, I suspect they didn't

[meanmallard]

One thing we can all be sure of it's that it's definitely not because the game is being rushed out before an optimization pass.. So, you can be sure this won't be like Redfall.

[Sonic1881]

Except for bugs 🙄

[NoFanBoy]

Bugthesda baby, it just doesn't work.

[JCOLE13195]

Oh come on. What a load of sh*t. I don’t see a reason why they can’t add the option of a 60fps mode with a lower resolution.

[Magog]

Their engine is like 3 generations old so that probably has a lot to do with it.

[Sonic1881]

They shouldn't be even using an engine that old 😂

[Lightning77]

It's a brand new Creation Engine 2.0 that's powering the game.

Let's keep the ignorance rolling though

[Shadowsteal]

So will PC be locked to 30fps too?

[Lightning77]

Nope Todd Teased 60 fps on PC. Funny Redfall was 60 on PC also didn't make the game any better no did it? Bad game is still bad game. At the end of the day.

[Magog]

Well, you can brute force it with an ultra pc but that doesn't mean it isn't using an inefficient engine.

[Magog]

It's a shooter. The actual gameplay elements they expect you to be jumping about headshotting space pirates mid-air. At a very uneven 30fps that is going to be a miserable experience.

[Lightning77]

It's an RPG not a shooter like COD

[Sonic1881]

Going from 60fps to 30fps you will still notice the difference rather it's a rpg or shooter

[Magog]

It's not an RPG in any traditional sense. You can watch the gameplay yourself. You jump around in a spacesuit shooting assault rifles.

[Lightning77]

Shooters are more linear experience or semi open world vs an open world or open worlds like Starfield. Totally different experiences.

[Magog]

There are a million open world shooters. What are you talking about? The moment to moment gameplay still involves running around trying to shoot baddies with a gun. That's going to suck at 30fps. It's 2023 they need to do better.

[Lightning77]

Doesn't matter if their shooting or throwing magic spells it wouldn't change anything. The shooting is simply the combat it says nothing about the over all game design.

"There are a million open world shooters. What are you talking about?"

How many of them are as big as Starfield go ahead and list them?

[Shadowsteal]

Do you think Starfield is rendering all 1000 planets at the same time or something?

PCs will be able to run Starfield at 60fps+ even ones that are built to equal a Series X or PS5's power.

So why can't they do 60fps for Series X?

[P_Bomb]

“How many of them are as big as Starfield go ahead and list them?”

Why do they need to be? I can only visit one map at a time anyways.

[thejigisup]

No Man's Sky is at 60.

[Rdeal]

Halo seemed fine to me and millions of others when we played it at 30fps, It's going to be a rock steady 30

[tay8701]

Not judging by what they showed at the showcase.

[meanmallard]

Yes, we decided that we creatively needed to rush this thing out the door because we haven't had a major release since Halo Infinite.

So, we creatively skipped the final performance optimization pass.

Still waiting for all that support you were going to give Redfall after launch...

[Lightning77]

Rush things out the door? They delayed it twice already.

Doesn't matter I'm just here to enjoy the usual super ignorant comments around here lol.

[Chevalier]

Why is it a 'creative decision' when on PC it's 60 fps?! Contradictory much? Seems you're the ignorant one. Obvious contradiction too

[potatoseal]

Hahahahaha

Creative decision? That is the biggest bunch of BS I've ever heard. I guess is nice to say it that way, instead of "we're not good enough to get it done".

[ufo8mycat]

Creative decision?
I guess thats why the PC version is 60+fps.

Wow

[MrDead]

His fanbase truly have their lips firmly attached to this guys hole, feeding off the effluent this guy excretes.

Creative vision isn't something that anyone in MS has, the biggest release MS has is a game that was always coming to xbox and that they had to ban from releasing on Bethesda's most profitable console platform.

[Lightning77]

Yeah well too bad lose continue to sleep over it.

You act like the fan base are making starfield. You want them to ask for another delay or something?

[MrDead]

"Yeah well too bad lose continue to sleep over it."

...well that sure told me, whatever that was meant to mean.

"You act like the fan base are making starfield. You want them to ask for another delay or something?"

...what? Are you ok?

Detach yourself from Phills bottom, I'm sure you're showing side effects of too much ingested effluence.

[STARS]

This guy is the biggest snake oil salesman in the business, and Todd Howard is right there with him. A match made in Heaven.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[S2Killinit]

Lol “creative” indeed

[SullysCigar]

The only thing "creative" about this situation is his filthy lying.

[RupeeHoarder]

a creative decision is making Trek to Yomi black and white. This is such PR spin.

What he should have said: If you want this game at 60FPS the game will be delayed until after the holidays and at this point we simply cannot afford another year of nothing.

[mkis007]

No it is a creative decision...they are not creative enough with their engine to make it handle 60fps.

At the end of the day the game doesnt look like it shouldn't have a 60fps mode.

[SICKINDIVIDUAL]

Day 1 gamepass and later 60fps upgrade add on....$29.99.

[EvertonFC]

The old "creative dicision" excuse eh Phil pmsl. What's wrong with just having a performance mode ffs.
Phil you mean "business dicision" getting the game out cause you've had nothing for 3 years and you're feeling the heat.

[Hereandthere]

LOL, what a fking clown phil spencer is.

[Outside_ofthe_Box]

Counting frames and pixels all started during the PS360 era. Man if they didn't tell you the resolution/frames many of y'all would enjoy the game no problem.

Should there be a 60fps performance mode? Yes absolutely. Is it being 30fps a deal breaker however? No, several things outside the framerate should determine that.

Phil is a funny guy,
"I don't ever want us to turn playing games into a math exercise... I'm not saying that 60[FPS] or resolution don't impact what you play, but I don't think we want that to turn into an Excel thing."

They turned it into an "Excel thing" when they launched the One X last gen when they put big emphasis on *true 4k* and 60fps and has come to bite him in butt now where people are saying that anything below 60 fps is unacceptable. I've said stuff like resolution and framerate should be up to the devs. If they're going for photo realistic fidelity then 30fps is perfectly fine imo. But in today's age performance and fidelity modes are petty much expected at this point so I understand the complaints. I just don't think it's a deal breaker.

[RupeeHoarder]

we didn't need to count frames with side scrolling sprites. PSX/N64/PS2 era we were just glad to get 3D and continuously more realistic hands instead of blocks. Visual fidelity has reached a point where performance does matter now. 30fps isn't a deal breaker if it's locked. However it dips into the 20's which you can clearly see in the footage, that's the bigger issue for me.

[badz149]

for pixels and resolutions, proper tools are needed to count and give you the exact number but whoever is saying that there is no difference between 720p vs 1080p vs 4k, then they're lying big time! and then there's framerate, where you also need tools to tell you exactly how many fps your game is running and they're most probably lying through your teeth too if saying they can't feel the difference between 30fps vs 60fps. the feeling is just not the same. and it literally changes the way you play a game. PC gamers have always been sacrificing fidelity for more fps and then there are newer upscaling techniques like DLSS and FSR introduced to minimize the impact of fidelity loss just so you can have more frames. the fact that the most powerful console ever made (which natively supports FSR and was so proud about it too) is not even offering that option in 2023 is laughable, just no excuse!

[ChasterMies]

Phil, why? You had a player base that loved and trusted you. Don’t throw it all away like this. Reminds of when Major Nelson insisted that the Xbox One couldn’t operate without Kinect 2.0. Sometimes saying nothing is better than saying something really stupid that PR wrote for you.

[badz149]

thing is, THEY WILL ADD 60fps later, they kinda have to and the game won't stay locked at 30fps forever. so what is Phil gonna say then when it happens? will they admit that they were wrong? or they will give another PR spin such as "we heard our fans loud and clear and would like to announce the highly anticipated and requested 60fps patch for Starfield"

[sinspirit]

They'll obviously say "we've been listening to fan feedback and decided to release 60fps because we are good guys who listen". It's the typical move. Make an excuse and reason for releasing it without a crucial wanted thing and then when they finally get it ready to patch like they're already probably doing they will say they are doing it for fan feedback rather than own up to it not being ready yet.

[AmUnRa]

Its not the PR to told him to say that, come on, its on him. He is the head of Xbox he would know that line: its a creative decission" is compleet bullshit, but he said it anyway.
If that is not a big egg on the face, i dont know what that would be.

[paddy95]

It's bethesda. Usually its 10-15 fps. It may still look like a ps3 era game but they tried their best.

[RNTody]

I sincerely doubt that this game can't have a performance mode with some cut backs. It's just a lack of optimisation. Quack like a duck all you want, but all that jet packing, flying through space and running and gunning is not going to be grand in 30fps. Good thing I'll be playing this on PC ;)

[blackblades]

https://twitter.com/Murders...

[pitythefool]

Remember when 30fps being a choice to make a game more cinematic was damage control.

[ghostrider32]

30 fps in 2023 is wild.

[GamingSinceForever]

As the only option available yes.

[maniacmayhem]

What's crazy is final fantasy can't even keep a stable framrate and yet a certain fanboy base expects a game the size of Starfield to.

https://www.google.com/amp/...

The game is not a multiplayer, shooter, it's a single player RPG, the one thing every one, at least on this site is only cares about. The concern trolling is out of control.

[pitythefool]

Yeah, sorry but none of that changes the fact that Xbox guys are backtracking and flip flopping all over the place.

Nice attempt at deflecting though.

[maniacmayhem]

Which Xbox guys, because all I see are Sony guys more upset than anyone else. Just like how Sony guys were crying when they found out Redfall was cancelled for PS5, of course they switched up when the game actually released.

Nice attempt at trying to paint a different picture though

[pitythefool]

Not attempting anything, Xbox guys are backtracking and flip flopping, they claimed “frame rate was king” beat that drum an entire gen, now suddenly don’t care.

Not my fault they’re exposing themselves as massive hypocrites, no different picture needs to painted, it’s already a masterpiece of hypocrisy.

Where as you actually attempted to deflect, “but but but look at this game, hey guys over here”

It’s not crying or being upset pointing that out, peeps don’t like it then don’t do it.

Toodles.

[NoFanBoy]

Todd and Phil are BS artists, their engine is jank, with enough time, money and talent it could of been better. It just works at crappy dirty thirty.

[ocelot07]

If it's a creative decision I assume the pc version will be locked to 30fps????

How anyone believes anything this fraud says is unbelievable.

[GamingSinceForever]

😂 @ fraud

[Aussieguy]

I want to see proper Next Gen Graphics, so im happy to have better graphics so we can have a really nice looking game. There hasn't been enough games that take full advantage of the Series X. I say, the more the merrier.

[ChiefofLoliPolice]

You gotta be kidding me...Is he for real?

Seriously is he?

[staticall]

Jeez, just don't answer the question, instead of giving us this childing PR spin. "Creative decision" is beyong dumb. Like yeah, Todd and the team are sitting on a meeting at Bethesda headquaters and Todd's saying: «I only see Starfield with 30 FPS. This is my vision. I wouldn't have it any other way. 60 FPS will sabotage the game success. Staff, remove every optimization, stat!».

There's a saying, «Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt». Use it next time.

[DaleCooper]

I really don't mind that it's 4K 30 FPS (of course I'd prefer a higher frame rate), but this is a bad take. Phil needs to take a step back from the "marketing speak" on this.

[darkrider]

Only Microsoft gamers eat the stupidity that Phil Spencer keeps saying... Microsoft needs fresh blood. This carsalesman is done. Every time he open is mouth, Jesus.

[Destiny1080]

''I don't ever want us to turn playing games into a maths exercise'', yes because anything above 30fps needs a masters degree, 2 x 30 = ?

[Neonridr]

to be fair, it's possible they didn't want to compromise on their vision. I've seen plenty of people play PS5 games at 4K/30fps and they say it's perfectly fine because it's not a racer or twitch shooter or blah blah blah. Why don't Xbox games get the same treatment?

Having the option would have been nice, I personally love playing games at 60 fps or above. Maybe they will add one post launch for all we know, but it is what it is. This has nothing to do with the power of the console because it's not like the PS5 would magically be able to do this game at 60fps without the same sort of concessions that would be made for the Xbox. They are almost the same machine at the end of the day when it comes to the CPU and GPU.

[BehindTheRows]

Because Sony didn't boast about having the "stronger console" nor 60fps (as we've seen with Greenburg).

Money where your mouth opens or keep quiet. I get what people's issues are.

[Neonridr]

I don't, are we upset because we don't have an option to play at 60fps?

Or are we now using the 30fps as a reason to claiim the game will suck or something?

It's hard to keep up with the straw-pulling and goalposts being moved. If the game is good, who cares?

[BehindTheRows]

No one moved anything. You asked a question and got an answer. If it doesn’t affect you, then there should be nothing for you to be bothered with.

In this case, being a good game or not is irrelevant. People expected an exclusive game on the most powerful console in 2023 to be able to pull off 60fps (though I’ve advised tempering expectations from Day 1 - but that’s also irrelevant). I’ll be on PC, so I’m not directly impacted, but if nothing else, it’s people saying “who cares” that are shifting goals.

[Neonridr]

I mean we've been asking a lot of consoles for years now, where have you been? PCs have been doing these things forever now. I too have a PC, and if I'm playing Starfield it will be there (I own a PS5 and Switch for consoles). I just don't understand the drama. If God of War released with only a 4K/30 option, would people be going nuts? Or is it just because it's Microsoft? And who's to say we can't get a 60fps option later? and are you suggesting that we see 4K/60fps exclusive PS5 games?

I dunno, I'm older, so maybe it's just me not getting worked up over something. I am enjoying the hell out of Zelda, and it's 1080p/30fps (at best).

[BehindTheRows]

As an older person, I'd expect you to see beyond "because it's Microsoft". They made claims about their console and one of their biggest games isn't quite on that level. I agree that 30fps isn't a big deal, but that's besides the point. They pushed the series X as the go-to, 4K/60fps machine. Some backlash when your exclusives don't hit those notes is to be expected.

[Neonridr]

honestly, anyone expecting either of these consoles to push next-gen titles at 4k/60 needs a wakeup call. I think people assume because remasters can do it that new games should be able to do it.

Sony even was silly enough to slap an 8K logo on the boxes of the PS5.

[BehindTheRows]

I was just stating that just having a capability on a box doesn’t mean everything is being advertised that way. Sony is not guilty of overpromising with PS5.

Microsoft simply has to weather the storm. No, they didn’t say all games would run 4K/60, but they boasted it would be the system to do it more often than not. Not everyone is on PC like you and I, so people are going to be more critical, it makes sense.

In any case, this has been the most reasonable and awesome discussion you and I have ever had! It is greatly appreciated my friend!

[BehindTheRows]

The PS5 is capable of running games in 8K, so that wasn't false advertising. Plus, they didn't sing the tune of it like Microsoft did with the Series X and 4K/60fps. It's easy for more savvy folks like me to know the deal, but that doesn't change that I'm a minority and folks listened to the chest beating.

So, they cannot back out of it now. They made this claim and Starfield is the biggest exclusive on the Series consoles to date. At the same time, because of that magnitude and complexity, it is no surprise that it will not be a 60fps game there.

[Neonridr]

I don't remember MS promising that all games would run at 4K/60fps. Maybe I missed that TED talk. As an avid PC user, I always keep my expectations in check, I don't fall for gimmicks.

The PS5 is capable of running games in 8K just as much as the Series X is. That being said, don't expect to see an 8K title with any level of complexity to these bigger AAA games. Not to mention we barely have enough TVs supporting said resolution anyways.

I wouldn't expect any AAA titles running on the XSX or PS5 to be 4K at anything more than 30fps. 60fps will have to be at 1440p or something. TBH it's possible they didn't want to offer the 60fps option because that would mean that they would either limit it to XSX owners only or force Series S owners to have to put up with something like 720p which would be ridiculous.

[Crows90]

I'm not going to say that 30 FPS breaks the game because we've been playing games at 30 FPS for a long time and they were perfectly fine as long as it was a steady 30. But to claim it's a creative decision is a downright lie and that's just typical of Spencer

[Harryvok]

What a load of shit. Creative decision.... suuuuuuuuure mate. Just admit they can't optimise their game enough to hit a solid 60fps.

[Number1TailzFan]

I see a lot of angry comments, want performance? Get a decent PC. Then as long as the game isn't made like shit you can enjoy way above 60fps for that super smooth goodness. Sorted.

[UltimateOwnage]

lol, creative decision implies it looks good at a slow frame rate compared to a higher one. There’s really no excuse for not having a performance mode this day and age. They’re clearly hitting the technical limits of the Series X to pull off a game that looks marginally better than Fallout 4 and has a similar scale to the now 7 year old No Mans Sky.

[BrainSyphoned]

It's a "creative"decision because they decided to stick with their shit Creation engine with minor tuneups that clearly didn't do anything useful. PR word play at its finest.

[chobit_A5HL3Y]

you know, i was actually excited when phil took over xbox, but he hasn't done a damn thing to make the xbox brand better. i used to trust him because i actually believed that him being a gamer would have some impact on what went on behind the scenes; it doesn't. years later, and they still don't have anything that's even close to a generational game, and the only one that they do(starfield), is from an already established company that they had to straight-up buy. how the hell do you squander something so badly?

[zacly]

Can they fire this guy already

[Viljong]

From interview(during redfall catasrophe)
" Starfield will have 60fps mode for series x|s?"

Phil spencer; "yeah."

Comes locked 30fps.

[RupeeHoarder]

Is it locked though?

[Viljong]

Now i know what he meant by saying in no world starfield is 11/10 game and people start selling theis ps5s. Maybe you should focus on people not selling their xboxes which im on the verge to do so. No1 believe 60fps wasnt available for series x theres such no care anymore.

Very fun gameplay and gunplay at 30fps 2023 GJ Again team xbox. I havent seen any clip from starfield that doesnt look somehow dated or boring but guess its good enough for the gamepass again like redfall.

[Profchaos]

PR talk for the game wasn't stable at 60.

Why not shoot for a 40 fps mode at minimum if you really hate the idea of sacrificing fidelity for fps that way vrr owners can leverage that tech to get a legit performance boost

[LucidIllusion]

Idk about that one chief

[Viljong]

If game runs 30fps vs 60fps thats no excel thing that is trash gameplay what 30fps offer. Redfall look absolutely horrible with many glitches and its the same case here. No effort 30fps 2023 wow. Is MS downplaying consoles and playing the victim becouse they cant compete. Now after all we saw allready are supposed to believe 60fps is not possoble other than pc when playstation have the best looking gotys left and right while xbox rot with 30fps redfall games. Graphically starfield doesnt look good as sony exclusives or many multiplats and "having alot going on" is bs and laughable.

[gold_drake]

" TRUST me, the BEAST can handle it but you wont be able to experience it regardless"

is basically what hes saying.
also, didnt he play Redfall? guy is as usual, not to be trusted.
he should really stop talking.

[SpacedDuck]

No, it's a just like Sony we lied about these things being powerful and will make garbage like this up to justify joke performance to cover our butts.

[InUrFoxHole]

This game is going to be generation defining

[execution17]

🤔 Wonder if its because the series s holding back the series x full potential

[Decessious]

Not sure its going to matter, the game is a slow game, some action but mostly its not going to be some FPS like call of duty. Doubt most will notice running on a TV.

[DivineHand125]

When this game releases it must be obvious to the player that it had to be 30 fps because the graphics are not convincing enough.

Also looking at the minimum and recommend specs on PC, I believe it absolutely could have been 60 fps on the series X. Maybe if enough reviews and players bash the low framerate we will see a change on the Xbox side.

[Sonic1881]

It's not a creative decision on PC 😂😎

[YourMommySpoils]

So No Man's Sky still the better game.

[Sonic1881]

Yup

[DragoonUS]

"A Creative Decision" yeah! Sure... pfff

[Aussiesummer]

It's a technical restraint phil ya giant knob end, we all know.

[shadowT]

"60fps will be the standard output, but the architecture allows us to support up to 120fps.", Aaron Greenberg said.

[LightBringer]

As are all the bugs and glitches.

[bigfish]

Anything less than 60fps on an oled TV looks bad, due to the quicker response times

[Owlbert]

I'll wait for the 60fps update then...30 FPS is just horrible nowadays.

[Santouryuu]

'and it's a creative choice'

What does that even mean??
They like stuttering animation better than smooth animation?
How is that a creative choice??

Such an empty PR statement...

[Stuart5756]

someone said this before when a game couldn't handle 60fps, they said '30fps is more cinematic'. Can't remember which game is was, defo xbox tho. I hate this kind of talk, it undermines gamers intelligence, it makes me want to scream 'do you really expect us to believe this bs', just tell us honestly why, technically why, we can handle the truth

[Games1st]

Starfield At 30FPS Is A Lazy Decision

[antikbaka]

Pfffffffffffffffffffffff

[GamingSinceForever]

This man never knows when to shut up I swear. Let the fans think what they want to think. But to come out and say we could have done it but it was a creative choice not to is ridiculous and quite frankly a lie.

They will patch it to 60fps 6 months from now. The truth is they needed more time.

[Einhander1971]

Oh God the frame rate police are out !! Lol 😆

[anast]

They guy let so many bad games come out under his watch. No one should listen to this. This wasn't a creative decision it was because they are being cheap.

[Exthun]

Damage control

[repsahj]

What will you choose? Lie about the 60 fps and put it in the retail boxes, or lie again, let's stick with 30 fps and tell everyone that this is just a creative decision?

[Ashunderfire86]

At least we are getting this game on September 6th! Meanwhile Star Citizen is a fart in space no can hear.

[mastershredder]

Technical. It’s technical due to limitation. Suck it Phil. Creative was what you just tried to pull there.

[tbagmonster]

hes got to go

[Richhard1]

A Single Player Game at 30fps. Next Gen?

[Smellsforfree]

Crazy that anyone would defend this. Looks like Series X is a great console if you enjoy 30 fps experiences...

[FalcorMononoke]

When you have to do PR spin to preemptively make silly claims about game performance, it becomes clear something is really wrong. Obviously Series X can handle the 60fps this game should perform at. There seems to be some shotty management at Microsoft right now. I can't put this entirely on Bethesda when I see multiple games from different studios, face what appear to be, development issues.

[DivineHand125]

A more cynical part of me is starting to believe that Phil Spencer is telling the truth and they wanted the console version to be 30fps by design then resell a 60 fps version at a later date.

We all saw what selling multiple versions of Skyrim did for their finances.