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Alan Wake 2 Has No Right Being A Digital-Only Game

Alan Wake 2 is skipping its physical release, and Remedy's reasons why are flimsy at best.

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jambola363d ago

What does it mean "has no right" ?
They absolutely, undeniably have the right

Profchaos363d ago (Edited 363d ago )

Entitled people are entitled really.

I love physical especially if the game is 100 percent on disc and big free on launch but that's no longer the world we live in. I've been around long enough to know that my digital content is mine only when the servers are up.

However I don't skip games and protest when I can't buy a disc version as an example I've got more than a few games on switch, ps5 and Xbox that I can't even turn on without a download so what's the point of those being physical not much

gold_drake363d ago (Edited 363d ago )

i dont mind smaller games being digital, but bigger games i need to have physical. cause u dont own your digital games. if your account is suspended for any sort of reasons; you are fked.

its not people being entitled, its people wanting to own the games they buy with their hardworked money. games are expensive as is, especially now when living costs are unbelievably ridiculously high.

entitlement rly is the wrong word for it and you shouldnt throw it around like that. makes u look ignorant.

Prime157362d ago

I'm getting old, but gamers are some of the most melodramatic people of them all. If I reflect on some of the most used verbiage over my decades of life I remember words like garbage, noob, NPC/Bot, Pwned, and so much more.

That being said, video game "journalism" leans into controversy for clicks... Thus, sensationalism is mostly a norm for these bloggers.

And it worked. We're all clicking on it. Myself included... I guess I'm a hypocrite or a moron.

Tapani363d ago (Edited 363d ago )

You are correct.
If I create a piece of art, I am in control of how I want to distribute it, if at all.

Such an entitled and self-centered article.

-Foxtrot363d ago

My issue with it is that they come across like the decision was done for us, like they did it to help gamers and bring down the cost, we’re the excuse when really they did it for themselves

This game shouldn’t be digital only, I mean I personally think digital games shouldn’t cost only £10 less, I wouldn’t pay £60 for a digital game when it’s cutting out the middle man and disc production costs. At least physical I can sell it for some money back if need too.

I’ll hold off for now

I’ve waited 13 years for this, I can wait a bit more for a physical version

darthv72363d ago

If they say they are keeping the cost down... this would be the FIRST time anyone has actually done what many have said needed to happen when it came to digital vs physical. So many have said that if something is digital... it should be cheaper than the physical version. and here is someone actually doing it and people want to complain.

Okay okay... the complaint is not about it being cheaper, its that there is no choice. Well, that will likely change if they take THQ up on their offer. If anything this is on Epic and not wanting to press discs like they did for the remaster. It isnt the call of the developer whether or not something is made physically. Its the call of the publisher as in they are the ones who publish and distribute. If they dont want to put in the $$ for pressing and packaging then that is their right. I feel THQ is being very generous but we dont know the terms of the offer. would it be for 1m units, 50k...?

If it isnt THQ then it will be some repro outfits like SLG and LRG that will press and package and then things will really get out of hand when it comes to pricing and availability.

HyperMoused363d ago (Edited 363d ago )

Digital should be cheaper is what people say but, only digital is what people dont want. Its not that cheap either $90 for the standard edition and it goes up from there, good to know that discs, printing, packaging, distribution, warehouse space etc only costs ten bucks per game.

-Foxtrot363d ago

Remedy can do what they like but I know it's Epic at the end of the day and their decision..just don't bullshit me and pretend you are doing it digital because you are trying to keep costs down for us.

All they have to say is "Yeah not up to us, there could be physical one day but don't hold us to that, we are unsure".

I hate Limited Run Games with how they've turned into over the years but I hope one day they get it at least.

Tapani362d ago (Edited 362d ago )

You should also think about the environmental side to the physical products. It's typically the worst kind of hard plastic that ends up in dumps and therefore later in the sea or burnt in a way that it releases toxic chemicals. Plus the energy to produce, package and ship it around the world. This all affects the environment. But perhaps you don't care and think everyone who thinks like that is a hippie, because you want the physical product.

Before you start, no I don't have a car, and I use trains sure, but live as ecologically as I can when reasonable. One decision for me is simply to always buy a digital product, because I'm an avid opposer of hard plastic production. (Plastic in itself is a fantastic material, we just don't recycle or reuse it, we just throw it away, and that is a real problem already for living beings, particularly for sealife. And that's why we have plastic particles in us more than ever and it causes probably cancer.)

shinoff2183362d ago

Actually in the manufacturing of plastics its recycled alot. We use regrind from the presses that can use it. It's more environmentally friendly and it cuts cost for the company because they use it in the next mix of material. Whether it's 50 percent virgin plastic and 50 percent regrind or 75 25. Once it's out the door and made product that's where your talking.

Even with that though most people wanting physical right now probably ain't throwing there games away so maybe even do a pre order for it. Press how many are needed then bam. All good.

Tapani362d ago (Edited 362d ago )

@shinoff2183

Those are very fair points and I fully understand what you are saying. I do, however, personally think that there is too much plastic in the world, and as recent studies have shown, this is the reason humans have increased amounts of microplastic in their blood circulation (including infants when they are born!) I think the only solution is to 100% recycle (which is not realistic) or simply cease new plastic production (which is not realistic either), so the only thing I personally ended up doing is avoiding buying, as much as I can, anything plastic, and increase the awareness even just a little bit. Our oceans are so full of it, and I can guarantee there are many hard plastic gaming DVD or Blu-Ray sized boxes of old and new in the mix.

Europe is becoming more advanced in this, and it is easier to speak about the topic before getting lynched, but my god here in Japan, it is a nightmare. We have to deny on a daily basis multiple unnecessary plastic wrappers and simply cook everything by ourselves, because even the food they cook at the local supermarket's kitchens come with 2-3 layers of plastic wrappers or boxes. Tokyo is the worst, they don't even recycle it properly and the recycling system produces more waste than the result of the recyling is reducing it. I even live in a region in Japan where the recycling and preservation of the nature is high importance, and here we have to recycle by the local law very strictly everything, which I appreciate.

I became aware of stuff like this when I lived in China for a couple of years and saw tens of meters of diameter pipes pouring massive amounts of waste right into the ocean, next to a beach where kids were swimming. A year later the city issued a warning that one should not go to the beach anymore. Plus a lot of people in there had plenty of problems with their burnt skin from the pollution.

Since then, I've been battling these small battles both online and personal life, but I try not to be too vocal about it because people tend to think you are a hippie or somehow above them if you recognize these problems. Every time I mention this problem on N4G in the context of digital distribution vs physical, I always get 100% dislikes. I think that's quite telling in itself.

Flawlessmic363d ago

Lol they can sell there game however they like. Remedy don't owe anyone anything.

hotnickles362d ago

Are you saying this dude has no right to a physical copy of AW2? Like zero rights.

Flawlessmic362d ago

That's literally exactly what I'm saying.

They are the creator and seller of a product, they have every right to sell it as and how they wish.

It is up the consumer to buy it that way or not, you don't like it then vote with your wallet, but remedy have every right and also zero obligations.

Magog363d ago

If you make something you have every right to sell it however you want.

Vengeance1138363d ago

Gamers (tm) sure can't keep their own narrative straight, they all hail the "PC Master Race" which is a 100% digital only platform where physical releases haven't existed for decades, then at the same time say physical media is best and won't accept anything less.
So really what can be taken from this is that those crying and whining over less options are simply the very vocal minority. Very few gamers won't buy Alan Wake 2 simply over being digital only. (Which btw it might not be as THQ Nordic said they would be open to make a Physical version).

MadLad362d ago (Edited 362d ago )

Console players just want to be able to resell the games lol. Even "collectors" typically end up selling their collections after a while.

That's why I view the used game market as not very different than piracy, or potentially worse. One sale could eventually lead to seven different people playing it.
The loss of one isolated sale vs potentially several. It's still an example of a studio not being supported while people still are enjoying their stuff.

PC people are happy with digital only, being they've been happy with digital pretty much since its inception.

shinoff2183362d ago

Physical release still happen on pc. Also decades no they were around quite a bit decades ago.

Vengeance1138362d ago (Edited 362d ago )

Who on earth is buying PC CDs? Computers don't even come with a disc tray anymore unless you find a super old case.

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No Steam And Physical Release, Alan Wake 2 Not Profiting Was Inevitable

Choosing Epic over Steam and antagonizing the entire physical media fanbase, it's no wonder the masterpiece Alan Wake 2 didn't make a profit.

thorstein10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

I asked for this game as a gift. My wife couldn't find it at Gamestop, Amazon, or anywhere else.

I didn't realize it was digital only, I just figured it sold out because of the reviews and how good it looks.

Most consumers don't read gaming news daily, how would they know it's digital only?

Plus, outside of seeing it on Jackfrags YouTube channel, I hadn't seen much in the way of marketing.

Dirtnapstor10d ago

It's a really good game. I platted this one on the PS5. Well worth your time exploring this universe.

Jingsing10d ago

Unfortunately Remedy has become a bit of a nasty studio over this past decade, You just need to look at their business decisions and other projects they attempted. They are not pro consumer at all.

Petebloodyonion10d ago

You know that it's Epic Games that funded and published the game right?

CrimsonWing6910d ago (Edited 10d ago )

Yea, people are kind of dumb. I mean, no offense to @Jingsing up there, I know that’s blunt but it reminds me of Bayonetta 2 when that got announced and it was a Nintendo exclusive. It’s exclusive because f*cking Nintendo funded the development. But people were all like f*ck Sega for sh*tting on their fans when in actuality the game never would’ve gotten made if Nintendo didn’t straight up pay for the development.

Alan Wake 1 was not a massive seller. In fact, correct me if I’m wrong, but it underperformed and that’s why a proper sequel never got made until now where Epic literally paid for the game to be developed… but you got people saying, Remedy isn’t pro consumer because this game is Epic exclusive 🤦‍♂️

anast10d ago

They did this to save money, but it didn't work.

Skuletor10d ago

Will be interesting to see if they try the same thing for the Max Payne remake(s). You'd think they won't but people continue to surprise me.

anast10d ago

I think they could do some kind of special edition physical release. This way the crowd that has been with this game since the beginning would have the option to buy a physical disk. They would sell more too.

Charlieboy33310d ago

@anast No, it needs a normal physical release.....not some bullshit 'special edition' physical release. This way we will be able to easily get a physical copy for if we want, instead of having to mission to own some kind of limited version. That's not actually gonna boost physical sales now is it?

Chocoburger10d ago

I wonder if they've learned their lesson? Who am I kidding, of course no gaming company does at this point. Keep making those mistakes.

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Alan Wake 2 Still Hasn't Earned Back Its Budget

Remedy has released its financial statement for the first quarter of 2024, and despite strong sales, Alan Wake 2 has yet to recoup its development costs.

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-Foxtrot28d ago

Well. They know what they gotta do…

toxic-inferno28d ago

Exactly.

With every article like this, I becomr more convinced that an announcement is inevitable. Hoping for something around the time of the game's 1-year anniversary.

-Foxtrot28d ago

I want to believe they are just hanging on to try and get the last drop out of the digital market but another part of me thinks it’s just spite at this point, not wanting to admit their business move was a f***** terrible decision

They made out it was because they wanted to offer it cheaper to us but me and others would have gladly paid the standard for physical. Even a collectors edition would have been nice to buy.

toxic-inferno28d ago

Absolutely. What would the harm have been? Offer the digital version at the lower price they want, and a "Collector's Edition" with some fairly naff additions for 50% more. I'd have gone for it without question.

Cacabunga28d ago

physical release or go home Remedy.

_Decadent_Descent28d ago

Bringing it to Steam would definitely help too. Although I suspect getting a physical release is probably more likely, and even that doesn't look good.

neutralgamer199228d ago

Waiting on steam release otherwise no buy. And I would double dip to get physical for ps5 or XSX but remedy have to first admit there is a problem before a solution is made available

darthv7228d ago

i think its an Epic game though.... does Epic release games on Steam?

notachance27d ago

definitely waiting for steam version, I never buy a game on another storefront at all.. even gamepass games I'd just try for a bit then buy the steam version if I like it.

Yui_Suzumiya27d ago

Yeah, I'm waiting on a Steam version as well.

wesnytsfs27d ago

Not sure at this point a physical release makes sense. Would you even recoup enough lost money on the costs to get the game released physically. Mots who wanted to play the game did not sure you would sell enough copies to recoup the costs to get the game out physically.

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babadivad27d ago

IMHO, it just wasn't that good. It's not as good as QB or Control.

TheEroica27d ago

Exclusive games.... The cancer of modern gaming. Only corporate friendly husks root for exclusive games as a model.

seanpitt2327d ago

What were they expecting.. release digital only and make there money back, come on! they shot themselves in the foot alienating all the fans of physical media.. now the hype has gone down it will be difficult to shift copies now even if they do release disks. Only way of making extra $ release on ps plus

wesnytsfs27d ago

Blows my mind someone would pass on obtaining a game they wanted to play just so you can have the case and a game disc that is already out of date to the current live version. The boxes upon boxes and totes full of game and game related accs and hardware when I moved made me grateful for all the digital stuff I had.

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darthv7228d ago

I bet it would if they just pressed a few discs and sold them at retail.

monkey60228d ago

I still haven't bought it. Would have if it was physical though

TheProfessional27d ago

Alan Wake 2 is also just not that good. Its the sequel to a good but not great game to begin with and the case board "gameplay" was terrible and there wasn't enough combat. Also the live action stuff looks really cheap and Sam Lake didn't need to put himself into alan wake 2 for no reason.

shinoff218328d ago (Edited 28d ago )

Lol. I imagine there's still alot of people that buy physicals. Or atleast see what kind of new games are out by what they see in real stores. This is on them. Idda paid 70 day one physical. Now I won't pay more then 15 for it

Crows9028d ago

You don't have to imagine
...still at least 40% of sales come from physical.

Amplitude27d ago (Edited 27d ago )

I'd imagine significantly more than 40% of PC gamers also only buy games on Steam.
Maybe a crazy remastered Steam release will launch alongside the RTX 6070 or something once the Epic Store's gone for good. EGS is basically a Fortnite launcher that also sells games with an unreasonably amount of missing features. Alan Wake and Fortnite have absolutely nothing in common either. I can't imagine this sold well and there's no way Epic would ever fund something this big ever again. Basically though; when Fort dies, EGS dies and I hope a Steam release will come after so this game can get the audience it deserves.

I bought a 360 for AW1 and have been waiting years to play AW2 but I just haven't had the ability to buy it yet. I was gonna "steal" it but I just felt too terrible about it half way through the intro. I've since just stopped caring. I'm patient

Good-Smurf28d ago

This game and Sonic Dream Team needs physical release fast.

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Remedy Makes Changes to Core Management Team, Wants to Grow Alan Wake & Control in Larger Franchises

Remedy has made a couple of changes to its core management team with the goal to grow Alan Wake and Control into larger franchises.

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Jingsing31d ago

Changes like not being anti consumer? putting out Alan Wake Remastered on disc but not the sequel?

ElaBosak19d ago

No one cares about games on discs.

ElaBosak19d ago

Good for them! Can't wait for Control and Max Payne remakes.