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The Game Pass Effect

Mike and Alex return to the concept of “the Game Pass Effect”. Games, the argument goes, designed for consumption on a subscription service alongside dozens of others a month will need to be conformed to this mode of consumption. They will lack the grandiose worldbuilding, demanding mechanics and novel-style writing of the best the medium has to offer. They will, instead, be shallow, light-hearted, toy-like experiences designed for piecemeal engagement, likely with loot-based progression. This (evidently) detracts from the quality of a game.

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Knushwood Butt369d ago

And why are we only seeing this type of article now, when this has been obvious for years?
Is it suddenly OK to kick MS now that they are on the floor?

NLink0714368d ago

Yes. Yes it is. Because MS has the gall to tell players a game will ship with XYZ features (60 fps for example or Campaign split screen coop) only to then back track at the last second, charge 70$ for a game and say “oh we thought it would do well”

All while monetizing every single aspect of the game with loot and battle passes.

But it’s ok, it’s on game pass. You get to try it out for a dollar 🙄

Obscure_Observer368d ago

"But it’s ok, it’s on game pass. You get to try it out for a dollar 🙄"

Pretty much. And that´s the beauty of Gamepass.

ModsDoBetter368d ago

*cough* No Man’s Sky Online MP backtrack at last minute *cough*

arkard368d ago

You're comparing what happened to one game vs a trend of MS games. Nice try though

Crows90368d ago

That's not even the worst part. Phil himself stated they don't really plan and raising the quality of games. Phil talks of the vision of a game as if it's the determining factor in quality...it's not.

@obscure

I think you meant to say "that's the monstrosity of gamepass" nothing beautiful about it.

ModsDoBetter368d ago

@akard

Actually what I’m doing is pointing out blatant hypocrisy 🤷‍♂️ nice attempt to deflect though.

Asplundh368d ago

"All while monetizing every single aspect of the game with loot and battle passes."

It doesn't have either of those as of yet. It looks like they may have planned on it, but with all this blow back I don't think that will happen, they have a lot of ass kissing to do.

Rude-ro368d ago

The dollar deal is gone now

andy85368d ago

@obscure it's not though is it. That gives them the excuse of putting out an inferior product. Because "it's OK they don't have to pay for it". Imagine there wasn't this service available and people had to pay 60-70. Players would actually be able to make them accountable for putting out trash but they're making excuses for them because they "only have to pay a dollar". Demand better.

BehindTheRows368d ago (Edited 368d ago )

@arkard

He’s made that nonsensical comparison before. He’s trying to “stick it to Sony fanboys”, even though “he’s a Sony fan”. Meanwhile, he deliberately picks fights with Sony fans while defending people who deflect from just about anything negative you say towards Xbox.

Thus, don’t waste your energy.

OT: Agree with this @NLink0714

Notellin368d ago

@arkard They did it with Sea of Thieves. But you PS fanboys have to do your thing. It makes you feel alive having an antagonist in the console market.

neutralgamer1992367d ago

Anytime we are trying to have a conversation it’s always that other company does it too. Who the heck cares

Not a single gamer can deny the fact Xbox doesn’t have the quality exclusives in comparison to PlayStation and Nintendo and we want them to have those games which are competing for GOTY conversions

Just because no many sky messed up doesn’t give ms a reason to be this bad ever since the end of Xbox 360. That was the last time they were actually competing

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Obscure_Observer368d ago (Edited 368d ago )

"And why are we only seeing this type of article now, when this has been obvious for years?"

Well, in 2023 you paid full $70 for day one retail games like Forspoken and Call of the Mountain.

While Gamepass subscribers got Atomic Heart, Wo Long, Hi-Fi Rush, Minecraft Legends, Ghostwire Tokio.

Yeah, I rather stay with Gamepass since I don´t have to pay $70 for trash games like Forspoken and Redfall.

ModsDoBetter368d ago (Edited 368d ago )

GamePass has pros and cons.

It’s a shame it gets so much bashing and a lot of the spins are false narratives like GamePass being bad for devs and gamers as a blanket statement.

Whilst there are countless articles over the past few years with developers speaking out about how it has been beneficial for both developers and gamers with long term post launch support being bolstered by the wide playerbase. Though those articles are often glossed over, I wonder why.

To deny GP as sheer value is only kidding yourself. IF you have an Xbox, that is.

I wouldn’t go out and buy an Xbox simply for GamePass BUT if you do have one or a decent PC, it’s a great offer allowing you to try certain titles before you buy as well - especially considering the state of modern gaming and their terrible launches alongside dishonest review outlets.

Great value, but there’s no denying that it’s a bad look given that both Redfall and Infinite are absolute dogshit and putting two and two together, it does look like these projects were rushed as they weren’t worthy of further investment due to going straight to GamePass. If MS isn’t careful, GamePass will become the straight to DVD equivalent in gaming.

Crows90368d ago

Your own fault for wasting money on trash games. I didn't spend $70 on either of those. Instead I spent $60 on Ragnarok.

I also upgraded to ps extra for meager amounts to get access for over a year and it gets me ghostwire as well. Spent less than what I would've on gamepass and also got to beat Stray.

Yeah I'd rather be more specific with my spending and make sure I get quality titles for my money.

ThePacemaker368d ago

Trash games are not obligatory to buy. I can happily skip Forspoken or wait till it drop significantly in price.

However paying $180/year just to try out trash-low quality-games which are flushing the GP right and left?

To me & to every sane gamer, Absolutely Not.

outsider1624368d ago

"Yeah, I rather stay with Gamepass since I don´t have to pay $70 for trash games like Forspoken and Redfall."

Or you know, check out reviews, watch gameplay videos to make your decision. Or wait for a sale. Its what i do.

Vengeance1138368d ago (Edited 368d ago )

You realize Call of the Mountain has a 79% metascore right? That's higher than anything Xbox first party has put out in years.
Also cute how you don't feel confident enough to mention all the top tier $70 games people have paid for like God of War, horizon FW and soon to come FF16 which is going to be all anyone will play and talk about for months.
Did you also just list off a pile of multiplat games that are also on PS5 / PC? Where's all the exclusives?? Xbox has none? Wow
And yet another wow! After defending Redfall with every fibre of your being for months you now outright call it trash! Hahahahaha oh man how quickly you change your narrative when the truth comes out.
I'm curious how fast will you change your tune on Starfield too if it also is revealed to be hot garbage?
Imagine paying for GamePass just to play average to below average titles LOL

ModsDoBetter368d ago (Edited 368d ago )

@Vengeance

“You realize Call of the Mountain has a 79% metascore right? That's higher than anything Xbox first party has put out in years.”

Forza Horizon 5 - November 5th 2021 - 92.

“Cute” but try harder spreading FUD.
Just one example, only really need one to blow your false statement out of the water.

RauLeCreuset368d ago (Edited 368d ago )

@olMyersio

While you are correct, you also realize that comment was made in response to Obscure trying to cherry-pick Sony exclusives to advance a narrative that is contradicted by even MS and Phil Spencer. He chose a PSVR2 launch game for the 1st party exclusive, which already has an uphill battle with reviewers because some of them are skeptical or not fans of the medium itself. Still, that 79 notably beats some high profile Xbox exclusives:

Ryse Son of Rome (60)*
Dead Rising 3 (78) *
Quantum Break (77)
Recore (63)
Sea of Thieves (69)
State of Decay (78)**
State of Decay 2 (66)
Crackdown 3 (60)
Redfall (59)

*Titles it should be noted are launch titles like Call of the Mountain. Call of the Mountain does well when compared to 8th gen AAA launch exclusives for both PS and Xbox. It doesn't hold up as well against PS5 AAA launch exclusives.

**State of Decay is included because Xbox is currently working on State of Decay 3, but Call of the Mountain has a higher score than both entries in that franchise.

Meta's critic reviews aren't the be all, end all to me, but Obscure has been referencing them throughout his comments, so I'll go with that metric for sake of this point. Otherwise, we could be comparing fan reception to Halo Infinite as part of this conversation.

Obscure_Observer368d ago

@Vengeance1138

"You realize Call of the Mountain has a 79% metascore right? That's higher than anything Xbox first party has put out in years."

Lmao!

Call of the Mountain couldn´t even beat a small RPG game made by 13 developers! XD

https://www.metacritic.com/...

At least do your homework before expose yourself to such embarrassment

andy85368d ago (Edited 368d ago )

Mate I paid 55 for Forspoken day one, enjoyed it and sold it for 45. I'd rather that than pay a subscription and wait 18 months for a game, and it be even worse than Forspoken. And did you really just trash Call of the Mountain? The game thats rated 79 like it's a bad thing whilst Redfall in the 50s? Jesus.

JackBNimble368d ago (Edited 368d ago )

If I were you observer , i would be a little more concerned with the bigger picture after what Spencer said.

It's going to take a miracle to turn this shit around, and that's not a dig on xbox fans or your console of choice but the leadership and direction Spencer is taking the platform.

How much longer before MS shitcans xbox? And after everything, do you really think a $70Billion acquisition is feasible?
I'd grab a life Jacket because you're on a sinking ship.

Knushwood Butt368d ago

I didn't buy Forspoken, and I played the demo of CotM and enjoyed it. Will probably buy it at a later date. GT7 taking up all of my VR time.

Obscure_Observer368d ago

@JackBNimble

"If I were you observer , i would be a little more concerned with the bigger picture after what Spencer said."

Dude, Spencer like every executive from big gaming companies talks sh!t from time to time. This is not the first time he says something just to perform 180 next. I wouldn´t worry about Xbox consoles too much right now since R&D for the next console already started.

Besides, I´ll enjoy Xbox while it last, just like I did with SEGA games and SEGA consoles.

The day Xbox is done with consoles I´ll be done with MS.

Binarycode368d ago

Why does anyone buy $70 games,lol.

I don't think many bought Forspoken. Looked rough from the moment I saw real gameplay.You get a feeling it's garbage.

I'm expecting starfield to be garbage as well.

Cussing368d ago

"I would rather pay for a subscription to play half baked first party games rather than buying them outright." What a weird take.

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ChasterMies368d ago

We aren’t only seeing this type of article now. We’ve long known Game Pass was the land of 6/10 games.

ModsDoBetter368d ago

That’s an exaggeration if ever I saw one.

Metacritic scores for a handful of GamePass games:

Oblivion - 94
Forza Horizon 4 - 92
Forza Horizon 5 - 92
Flight Sim - 90
Monster Hunter World - 90
Ori and The Will of The Wisps - 90
Deathloop - 89
Peggle - 89
Doom Eternal - 89
Ori and The Blind Forest - 88
Fallout 4 - 87
Hi-Fi Rush - 87
Age of Empires 2 - 86
Halo MCC - 86
Pentiment - 86
Forza 7 - 85
Gears 5 - 85
Gears 4 - 84
Rare Replay - 84
Gears Tactics - 83
Sunset Overdrive - 83

As you can see, not quite the “land of 6/10” you make it out to be.

Deathdeliverer368d ago

@olMyerslo

Trust me. You don’t want to play the comparison of scores game with the PS service. Far more games, far more higher scores. Now if you’d put a restriction like only games released in the last year, yeah maybe. Adding those old games puts you in the crosshairs for annihilation.

Northpoint368d ago

@oIMyersIo
Some of those games were made before Game Pass. Some even weren't made for Game Pass, e.g. Deathloop -smh.

ModsDoBetter368d ago

@Death

“Trust me. You don’t want to play the comparison of scores game with the PS service. Far more games, far more higher scores. Now if you’d put a restriction like only games released in the last year, yeah maybe. Adding those old games puts you in the crosshairs for annihilation.”

@North

“Some of those games were made before Game Pass. Some even weren't made for Game Pass, e.g. Deathloop -smh.”

Correct me if I’m wrong but was the comment I replied to this: “ We’ve long known Game Pass was the land of 6/10 games.”

Or was it a comparison between the services @death? Or was it a comment relating to games made exclusively for GamePass @North?

SMH.

Vengeance1138368d ago

@olMyerslo

Did you seriously put a bunch of multiplat games on that list? HAHAHA
Doom Eternal, Monster Hunter and Fallout 4 are exclusive?? Huh? Sorry kid, but your list needs work. As you were already told you really don't want to play the comparison game.

ModsDoBetter368d ago

@Vengeance

“ Did you seriously put a bunch of multiplat games on that list? HAHAHA
Doom Eternal, Monster Hunter and Fallout 4 are exclusive?? Huh? Sorry kid, but your list needs work. As you were already told you really don't want to play the comparison game.”

Hey kid, please learn to read above.
You Sony fanboys love to stretch with your mental gymnastics to try and make yourselves the heroes in your own story.

Comment I replied to, since you’re clearly inept and must’ve dropped out of basic tuition.

“We’ve long known Game Pass was the land of 6/10 games.”

I answered that comment and that comment alone. Nowhere did they stipulate comparison or exclusives. Quit with the mental gymnastics to make yourself feel good about your platform of choice and further cement the Sony hive mind that is…N4G.

You talk about playing the comparison game.
Bro, I literally play exclusively on a PS5 at present and have a library of several hundred, if not well over a thousand PS games across PS1/2/3/4/5. You just need to calm down and stop assuming anyone who replies and doesn’t get on their knees for papa Shu or slander any Xbox fan is against Sony. Honestly, you people are unbelievable. Touch grass.

blackblades368d ago

@ol
Alotta gears and forza on that list

Godmars290368d ago

@oIMyersIo:
"Quit with the mental gymnastics to make yourself feel good about your platform of choice"

Sorry, but what are you doing? And how are you not making it worse by making it all/only about fan boy camps?

andy85368d ago

OlMyerslo OBLIVION😂😂 if the first game on your list is a 17 year old game doesn't that say everything?

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-Foxtrot368d ago

" Is it suddenly OK to kick MS now that they are on the floor?"

Kind of...only because if you said it any other time it becomes a fanboy thing

"You're only saying that because your a PS fanboy"...blah blah blah

Then the entire point of the argument gets lost in all the fanboy rubbish.

Now that most Xbox die hards recently have kind of saw MS in a new light with Redfall and Phils comments basically sounding like he was throwing in the towel, maybe it's better to be more honest openly so things can improve eventually.

S2Killinit368d ago

They aren't on the floor, they are pretending so they can get their 68 BILLION dollar choke hold on the industry.

derek368d ago

@Knush, they've been on the floor for over a decade, lol. Sometimes people don't want to listen until after what was predicted is actually proven correct.

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SullysCigar369d ago

'The Gamepass Effect' is 'The Netflix Effect' with a different name.

First they lure you in with lots of content and a cheap price, then they cheapen the content and raise the price. Some people leave, but many forget to cancel the auto-renew subscription and haven't checked in to notice it's mostly crap, old and/or filler now. It's a classic bait and switch and it relies on known human behaviours.

Sea of Thieves, Halo Infinite, Redfall - this is just how it is at MS now. They've chosen their path.

crazyCoconuts368d ago

A few more similarities: dramatic revenue growth masks a lack of profit until competition enters and the market is saturated and then the cuts begin.
Also the cannibalism of the movie industry...

Obscure_Observer368d ago (Edited 368d ago )

"Sea of Thieves, Halo Infinite, Redfall - this is just how it is at MS now. They've chosen their path."

Also Forza Motorsport and Starfield which I´m predicting both might get better Metascores than Spider-Man 2 and FFXVI.

Oh, it also be interesting to see if both of those PS5 games will better reviewed than Halo Infinite which sits at a 87 Metascore.

Fun times ahead.

Hofstaderman368d ago

Pure facepalm. We will wait on those Final Fantasy XVI and Spider-Man 2 reviews and then quote them back to you. Incidentally they will be available next month and then two months later respectively. What metacritic scores are you looking forward to in the next three months?

Eonjay368d ago

While it's okay to promote what u may like about a service, you shouldn't relinquish your right to criticize what ought to be improved.

Also I accept your bet the Spider-Man and Final Fantasy metas vs Starfield and Forza. Because betting on quality is always a good bet. And PlayStation needs real competition to keep them on their toes. A real fan welcomes real competition.

Crows90368d ago

Spideman 2 is a PS5 game. Final fantasy is a square enix game.

And on that note starfield was likely planned for PS5 until good ol Phil decided to make it more accessible to gamers everywhere by making it less accessible to gamers everywhere.p

crazyCoconuts368d ago

Halo Infinite and Horizon Forbidden West have about the same meta critic score. Play the first hour on both games and anyone can see the quality is not comparable. But hey, I still enjoyed Halo, but it's a far cry from PS exclusive quality

Obscure_Observer368d ago

@Hofstaderman

"Pure facepalm. We will wait on those Final Fantasy XVI and Spider-Man 2 reviews and then quote them back to you."

Lol. You PS fanboys are so sentimental. I said that both Forza Motorsport and Starfield MIGHT get better Metascores than both Spider-Man 2 and FFXVI in the realm of POSSIBILITIES. Learn to read and keep things in context before you got your feathers ruffled.

"Incidentally they will be available next month and then two months later respectively."

Wow! So in 2023 you have two AAA third party games which one is trash (Forspoken) and one, ONE AAA first party game for the entire year and that´s supposed to be impressive?

PS cultists never fails to entertain. XD

darkrider368d ago

Better metascores means nothing. Better game is another thing. If trash like redfall get scores of 8.5 and 9 from some sites.... Metascores means close to nothing.

And another thing forza or starfield being better then spiderman made by insomniac says it all... Or final fantasy...

You understand that just insomniac made this Gen more goty contenders then Microsoft in the last 10 years.

RauLeCreuset368d ago

"Lol. You PS fanboys are so sentimental. I said that both Forza Motorsport and Starfield MIGHT get better Metascores than both Spider-Man 2 and FFXVI in the realm of POSSIBILITIES. Learn to read and keep things in context before you got your feathers ruffled."

I caught the "might" in your prediction, but I apparently gave you too much credit in thinking you would quietly keep that in your pocket until absolutely necessary to avoid prematurely exposing how unserious your commentary is by calling attention to the fact that you were "predicting" something "might" happen. SMH.

Vengeance1138368d ago

Yet another tired Forza and a Starfield game that was leaked as "being in worse shape than Redfall getting higher scores than 2 GOTY contenders?? HAHAHA 🤣😂 holy ignorance batman!
Your track record for predictions is already dead and buried after Redfall came out. Last I saw you predicted that gem to also be a masterpiece! Oh how much further can you fall?
Starfield is in an almost impossible spot going up against Spiderman 2 AND having absolutely no room for error, if Starfield isn't one of the greatest games of all time, it's over and done for Xbox baby.

Elda368d ago (Edited 368d ago )

LMAO!!! (while smh) You have the nerve to call people "PS fanboys" when you're the epitome of XB fanboy, to the point you don't see XB doing no wrong.

Obscure_Observer368d ago

"Starfield is in an almost impossible spot going up against Spiderman 2 AND having absolutely no room for error, if Starfield isn't one of the greatest games of all time, it's over and done for Xbox baby"

"Almost impossible spot" Lmao!

Spider-Man 2 will be out in less than 3 freaking years! And you really want to compare it with Bethesda most ambitious game which has been in development for 7+ years?

Do you really expect SM2 to reinvent the wheel??? XD

It´s gonna be more of the same. It will be a cool little game no doubt about it, still, if lucky SM2 will take you about only 15-20 hours to beat and you´ll be done with it!

Starfield will keep gamers entertained for a thousand hours, just like Skyrim.

So yeah, Spider-Man 2 will be just another Spider-Man game (third Spider-Man game in 6 years) while Starfield will establish a new legacy.

Definitely fun times ahead!

andy85368d ago

Did you really just Starfield will score better than FFXVI and Spiderman 2, My god. The game which publicly MS have said they don't have faith in, at 30fps. Will score higher than a game thats had nothing but public praise in the last 3 months.

BehindTheRows368d ago

I cut you a break a few days ago, particularly after you expected Redfall to score well, but here you are yet again making the Metascore mistake. Don’t let your mouth write checks that your ass can’t cash (at least in the case of Starfield). Forza will likely score very well, yes. Still means very little when stacked against behemoths like Final Fantasy and Spider-Man.

repsahj368d ago

I remember Redfall always included of the list that will eat Spider-Man 2 and FF16. XD Let's wait for your starfield. 1 down 2 to go. ^_^

derek368d ago

@Obscure you can deny reality all you want, but at this point playstations got nothing to prove. Spiderman 2/FF16 will release to great excitement, sell millions of copies and drive already high console sales through the roof. While Phil Spencer continues to apologize endlessly for xbox poor quality/lack of AAA games as the faithful keep paying for low-effort.

Obscure_Observer368d ago

@Knushwood Butt

"Fun times now."

Touché

@BehindTheRows

"Don’t let your mouth write checks that your ass can’t cash (at least in the case of Starfield). Forza will likely score very well, yes. Still means very little when stacked against behemoths like Final Fantasy and Spider-Man."

It´s all about fun dude, don´t take things too seriously.

@derek

I agree with everything you said.

Right now Xbox looks like sh!t! ABK deal blocked by CMA, followed by Redfall´s epic fail, and Phil acting like a joker just made things worst.

All of this Metascore vs Metascore nonsense is just me blowing off some steam. Don´t take it too seriously, Lol.

Right now Xbox is on a bad light, hopefully the new games will make things better, but I really understand those that are disappointed and see no reason to own a Xbox console at the moment if ever. MS can´t blame anyone but themselves for this shitstorm.

Chevalier367d ago (Edited 367d ago )

Ouch so much trash to get through and years between for any good games. Outside of Forza basically no Goty material. Thank God Playstation and Nintendo are around. Its sad Xbox fans defend this crap. It's the reason you guys get trash like Redfall.

Spiderman 2 by itself is going to absolutely destroy all Xbox 1st party this year by itself.

Seriously you're the guy who also said Redfall was going to be amazing so I would stop trying to predict anything. Lol

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ModsDoBetter368d ago (Edited 368d ago )

Whilst I agree, SoT is an incredible game and has really seen a turnaround from launch. It shouldn’t have launched in the state it did but it’s a great title and has been that way for years.

Infinite & Redfall though…yeesh.

Worst thing was them just entirely giving up on adding a promised feature in split-screen co-op & that was after the delays! Incompetency at 343 ran deep.

Obscure_Observer368d ago

"Worst thing was them just entirely giving up on adding a promised feature in split-screen co-op & that was after the delays! Incompetency at 343 ran deep."

I think you forgot that Halo Infinite is a crossgen game so that split-screen co-op feature might just not be possible on Xbox One consoles. Since MS´s polices will not allow a less feature port for any of its consoles, 343i could just find itself with their hands tied and had no choice but have that feature canceled.

ModsDoBetter368d ago

@Obscure

“I think you forgot that Halo Infinite is a crossgen game so that split-screen co-op feature might just not be possible on Xbox One consoles.”

Not forgotten at all, & MS policies don’t excuse them from promising a feature and then cancelling it after the fact.

If anything MS made a rod for their own back by having current gen offerings stuck in last gen.

The only MS studio who has been able to consistently deliver to a high visual standard and make games feel “next gen” is PlayGround Games imo.

You can’t promise a feature and then down the line say, “well, new gen console owners, we can’t deliver because we promised people playing on a 9 year old console that there would be feature parity. Screw our user base and the supporters who bought our current gen systems.”

& then Phil wonders why they can’t win the hardware race or even compete.

Obscure_Observer368d ago

@oIMyersIo

Well, last time I heard Sony made Burning Shores exclusive to PS5 leaving PS4 players in the cold.

ND has a history of "broken promises" with both Lost Legacy and TLOU 2´s Factions which is nothing but glorified DLC and a *gaming mode* made "standalone" just to cash in. And don´t even get me started on all the lies surrounding Polyphony and GT7 as a true next gen PS5 exclusive in line with Jim Lyan´s lying BS line:

"We believe in generations"

343i and MS should be held accountable for "broken promises"? Yes. But don´t come here acting like Sony is anything better, cause they´re not!

ModsDoBetter368d ago

@Obscure

“But don´t come here acting like Sony is anything better, cause they´re not!”

I don’t think you know who you’re talking with mate. Literally the furthest thing from a Sony fanboy. Furthermore, nothing I said in my previous paragraph mentioned Sony so I don’t know why you’re gravitating straight to that?

“Well, last time I heard Sony made Burning Shores exclusive to PS5 leaving PS4 players in the cold.”

“Jim Lyan´s lying BS line:
We believe in generations”

Which one is it?
You literally just made two contradictory statements. Nowhere did Sony promise to support both PS4 & 5 with release parity.
That’s Microsoft’s policy, as you so kindly pointed out.

Last I checked, Factions MP is still in development so no broken promises thus far & whilst I somewhat agree that it was disappointing to learn that GT7 was cross platform, have you played it? Because it looks sensational on the PS5. Polyphony digital know what they’re doing. Similar to Playground games who manage to make FH look incredible despite being hampered by the Xbox One.

Knushwood Butt368d ago

You're on thin ice calling out the generations thing as Redfall is current gen only and the majority are calling it trash.

GT7 in VR is PS5 only and it's fantastic. I drove 250km last night alone. The Super Formula event is an absolute blast. Plus all of the updates to date have been free.

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MonsterChef368d ago

That's what I've been saying.. fanboys put your glasses aside and realize that what happens in a similar market gets copied and implemented to make people money. Everything gets copied right down to the cons. Case in point .... Netflix.. quality dips.. Price gets raised.. gamepass will suffer the exact fate

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isarai369d ago

"They will, instead, be shallow, light-hearted, toy-like experiences designed for piecemeal engagement, likely with loot-based progression. This (evidently) detracts from the quality of a game."

No, they are incomplete, broken, low effort, designed to be heavily monetized, oddly with the microtransactions and storefront working flawlessly day 1 yet the games need a "roadmap" to get them to a state they should have been in at launch. But game pass (evidently) makes that ok even though outside of game pass they are still charging $70 for it.

Futureshark368d ago

In much the same way that low budget bad films were 'straight to video', we now have the concept of 'straight to streaming' in which we can see the same formulaic rubbish films appearing on Netflix, AppleTV etc.

Following from that, we know have 'Gamepass Day One!', which was considered a highlight of being a subscriber until it's become apparent that day one games are typically lightweight rubbish shovelware.
'Straight to Gamepass', 'Good enough for Gamepass', and now 'The Gamepass effect' describing this current mediocrity.

Godmars290368d ago

Only MS said all their titles are day one on GP.

Godmars290368d ago

This isn't the "Gamepass effect". This is MS both not fully implementing while shortchanging it. "Rushing it market, fixing it later" like they've always done. Only rather than a "one time thing" like with a Windows release, its multiple thing like Halo Infinite, Sea of Thieves or this game.

CBaoth368d ago (Edited 368d ago )

what I've been saying for months. They sold us on day 1 games yet don't make any. To see Redfall turn out such a disaster after all this wait is shameful. Starfield is it for the current regime. The only way they stay in the console race past this gen is to sack Uncle Phil & company and reboot. Consumer confidence is at an all-time low

Godmars290368d ago

When you say "Phil and company" you know you mean the majority of MS/Xbox execs, right? All of them, including Phil, were there during their biggest blunder which was Kinect and Always Online. Even when Xbox was at it best, the first OG Xbox, they made fatal mistakes from not buying all its parts which kept it at launch cost on their end, to their big games being built for PC rather than the console causing many to never be released.

Yeah, MS needs to fix their problems, things is they've NEVER had the people in place to even realize they had problems, let alone begin to fix them.

Its only been "Alternative Facts" with them.

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Microsoft Is Finally Ending Its Focus On Big Budget Gaming Nonsense

Back when the Xbox 360 launched, Microsoft pushed the big budget game as a differentiator. Following all the recent layoffs, it’s clear this strategy has run its course.

Einhander197224m ago(Edited 21m ago)

The Microsoft shill take on the Microsoft causing the death of big budget gaming...

The whole driving force for growth in gaming both technologically, creatively and financially was all nonsense, and it was definitely not because Microsoft ran the industry into the ground with obviously bad decisions and creating an unprofitable business model that massively disrupted consumer spending habits. /s

Hofstaderman2m ago

Ah Forbes. One of the prominent MS mouthpieces....

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Ninja Theory trends on X as gamers fear for studio following Tango Gameworks closure

Following the closure of 4 studios, many are now worried for the future of Ninja Theory once Hellblade 2 is released.

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Sonic18814h ago(Edited 4h ago)

How is it going to sell well when it's also releasing on gamepass 🤔

Sephiroushin4h ago

Meant better to sell the studio and not closing it 🤦🏻 not to sell more games….
and games are sold anyways, you can buy it on xbox (not recommended if you got gamepass) but many pc gamers prefer to buy on steam than deal with the xbox app or pc gamepass!

On a side note to OP, the sales of studios wont happen though, especially when they want to retain the IPs, and well nobody is gonna buy a studios without its IPs; the other publishers that want a certain dev from the studio that are closing on their team can try to grab them as soon as they see they notice of the studio.

RaidenBlack2h ago(Edited 2h ago)

@Sephiroushin
Well hypothetically speaking, Ninja Theory can be sold to Sony at a lower rate sans the Hellblade IP.
Sony can then welcome them to work on the Heavenly Sword IP, which they still own.
Will be a nice proposition for Sony who can continue to offer a God of War-like hack n slash in their portfolio via Heavenly Sword 2, whilst Cory Barlog & co. decides to take a break from the God of War IP & venture some other genres.
On top of that, Ninja Theory was also interested in a sequel to Enslaved: Odyssey to the West and such Sony can come to a deal with Namco Bandai regarding the Enslaved IP.

Lightning7722h ago

Because they're next come next year. HB2 won't hit some impossible metric within MS so they're getting axed in 2025. Leave gaming now MS.

XiNatsuDragnel14h ago

Ninja theory might as well be gone in 2025 at this rate

notachance5h ago

Every xbox studio is in danger now because there’s just no way they’re gonna rake in big money from game sales because of gamepass, even CoD was rumored to not come to gamepass because it would canibalize their sales number.

neutralgamer19923h ago

If they are smart they don’t put COD on GP day one. It’s one of the best selling games on yearly basis

Hofstaderman3h ago

Satya will make sure that doesnt happen. As you rightly put it; why kill the cash cow?

But then again, it is MS after all.....

-Foxtrot12m ago

Also if you punish a studio for releasing a great critically acclaimed game which won some awards then what chance does anyone have

Rynxie5h ago(Edited 5h ago)

Ninja theory games were never big sellers. I could be wrong, but I doubt hellblade 2 will sell millions. I would rather they go independent and make heavenly sword 2.

solideagle5h ago(Edited 5h ago)

heavenly sword is Sony owned IP. this will never happen as original didn't sell enough...

Wikipedia: "In 2008, it was reported that a sequel to Heavenly Sword was in-development at SCE Studio Cambridge, but was canceled due to Sony no longer seeing it as a commercially viable product"

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The Best Telltale Games: Top 5

Telltale Games have given gamers a massive library of narrative driven games. In this article, Power Up Gaming presents you some of the best Telltale Games of all time!

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