Rumor: 360 a footnote in Microsoft's CES keynote

It's sounding like the only "megatons" at Microsoft's CES 2009 keynote will be the volume of hors d'oeuvres served beforehand. According to TechCruch, the company will focus primarily on Windows 7, mobile devices and home networking, while Xbox 360 will barely get a mention.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

Look at balmers face !! I just want to FALCON PUNCH that S.O.B

[InMyOpinion]

If you were strong enough to lift your arms you might have been able to do that. Maybe your mom could give you a hand too? Oh wait, she's busy lifting Ballmers 'RROD rocket'.

[elorm9]

Caption for pic: "do it *bleep*got"

[ThatCanadianGuy]

Im sure you know all about Balmers rocket..

Strong arms? I had no trouble helping your mother off her knee's
she had a mouthful.Not sure if she was talking to me tho,i wasn't the only one there :)

[Obama]

RROD rocket? Jenzo must have seen what we haven't seen before. The xbots here seem to know the anatomy of Cliff B and Ballmer quite well I must say.

[InMyOpinion]

Like Cliffy and Ballmer we share the anatomy of winners, not third place losers like yourselves.

Where was mommy & daddy when Howard Stranger invited you to his Home and forced you to rumble his Sixaxis? "This is mandatory, just like our filthy game installs!"

[likedamaster]

@Jenzo

"rumble his Sixaxis" LOL bubbs

[morganfell]

He has the anatomy of whiners, not winners. CliffyB is a little chicken chest wimp. I have run into 4 or 5 times here living not far from Epic Studios. He's a gimp little rat that uses his expensive car as compensation for his lack of anatomy.

[elorm9]

Lets hope they got more at E3, because this is just disappointing.

[happyface]

very sad, MS probably knows KILLZONE2 is coming and is afraid to show anything

[chaosatom]

We all knew that it will happen eventually.

Multiplatform games are now driving the 360. Not necessarily a bad thing, but having first party studios creating games is always good for long term.

[JD_Shadow]

Unless they decided to buy up a PS3 exclusive to go multiplatform (which they're not many left that they can get to go multi now that they really went to THAT well one too many times).

See, I KNEW that practice would come back to bite them on the ass!

[EXCLUSIVEGAMER]

HACKERS!!!!!!!!!

[EXCLUSIVEGAMER]

oh shhhhhhhnap i just thought of this:

how much do yuou think ms would drop down to aquire killzone2?

LOL....i know some of you hate me right now.

but wait,

Once they do(big IF), will kz2 run on the 360? LOL.

that would be crazy, because i dont think killzone 2 can run on the 360

[chaosatom]

it can always run Killzone 1

[GWAVE]

With all their 1st-party studios dropping like flies, what CAN they really announce? A $30 budget Halo title rushed out the door to grab sales (Bungie's own words; they want it to be a small spin-off)? GTA4 downloadable content? Halo Wars? The unlikely chance that Alan Wake comes out?

It's becoming more and more difficult to brag about the 360 being the console king of exclusives when...well...they aren't. Sony and Nintendo are continuing to churn out plenty of 1st and 2nd party titles a year whereas Microsoft seems to lose a few titles every year.

Just another sign that the Xbox 720 is soon to come and 360 owners will be dropped by Microsoft. Oh well.

[Elven6]

Why is this surprising anyone? It's always been like that, CES isn't a gaming oriented show so the target audience won't really be as interested compared to E3 or another gaming related event.

[The Lazy One]

this made me giggle...

2009... HEY! that's now!

[BLaZiN PRopHeT]

LOL its fing CES nothing big gets announced at CES for gamers. its the same sh1t every year. Gamers watch and hope for some news but get disappointed. Just wait for GDC. You know a conference about GAMES

[Bladestar]

"... MS probably knows KILLZONE2 is coming.."

mm.. wow.. this does sound familiar...

"... MS probably knows [PS3] is coming.."
"... MS probably knows [LAIR] is coming.."
"... MS probably knows [Resistance] is coming.."
"... MS probably knows [Metal Gear] is coming.."
"... MS probably knows [LBP] is coming.."
"... MS probably knows [Home] is coming.."

haha!... don't you get tired? Kill Zone 2 will be just like all the above and will have similar impact to the xbox 360... which is NO impact...

So, please stop implying that Kill Zone 2 will some how do what Metal Gear could not do... destroy the xbox 360... and for Microsoft out of the industry...

"microsoft is running low on exclusive titles and price cuts." what a stupid assumption...

"price cuts" - Microsoft is making a profit on the hardware, have a lot more money than Sony at hand (cash) and is determined to beat the crap out of Sony (like they are doing) this generation. So, Microsoft dropping the price once again... not a problem.

"exclusive titles" - Gears 2 came out only months after Microsoft announced it. It's not typical of Microsoft (unlike Sony) to advertise projects that are not closed to deliver... that tends to over hype the games and usually hurts the game when it's finally released. Examples, "Too human, and many 3rd party games like Assassins Creed.." not to mention LBP, Lair, Haze, Home, and others.. that got hammered by the media or people simply got tired of hearing from them.

The xbox 360 is selling very well on existing game library... what would be the point on advertising games that will not hit the market in years?

That would only end up hurting the title since hype and expectations builds sometimes making it impossible to match causing the game to suffer in terms of sales.

I know Sony lovers are trying to show Microsoft have a disadvantage... but that is far from the truth... Just like Gears 2 that was in development Microsoft is currently developing games.

We all know Microsoft is working on Mass Effect 2... how come no official announcement? Does that means they are NOT working on it?

Have you seen Sony's announcements for the past 2 E3? dry! simply because they had nothing to announce.. since they announced all their projects in 2005.

Next week you xbox 360 haters will be disappointed when Microsoft announces something game related and Sony announces NOTHING.

[JD_Shadow]

"We all know Microsoft is working on Mass Effect 2... how come no official announcement? Does that means they are NOT working on it?"

Umm...MICROSOFT is working on it?

Last I checked, Bioware and EA were the people behind ME, not Microsoft.

And the rumors about that game going multiplat just further kills your entire argument's cred from that alone.

[Gambit07]

@Blademaster: I'm just fascinated by your devotion, truly a work of art.

[The Lazy One]

EA doesn't have publishing rights to anything in the mass effect universe.

It's Bioware/Pandemic and MGS that work on mass effect. EA gets rights if MGS declines publishing it though (which MGS would have to be dumb to do).

[JD_Shadow]

They published the PC version. MGS only did the 360 one (when Bioware was still independent, the EA takeover didn't happen until AFTER the 360 version released). There's no real indication that I'm aware of (it doesn't say anything on Wiki) as to who owns the publishing rights. I assume it was Bioware before EA acquired them, but it never actually brings that up as to who holds them.

[AAACE5]

So much negativity on a post about the 360... I don't get it?

It seems like Ps3 fanboys only like their games cause it gives them something to brag about!

Leading up to holiday 2008, Ps3 fanboys were boasting Resistance 2 and LBP as the games that would end all! Shortly after... No one even talks about R2, and there is barely any comments about LBP.

I hope Killzone 2 is that great gem the fanboys are hoping for, cause maybe if they have that, they can stop feeling like they have to compare themselves to the 360!

Ps3 is the most powerful console this gen... so why do you guys feel the need to compare to the 360.

I think we all know 2009 will be the Ps3's year, so I think you fanboys can take a break now!

[Jazz4108]

Come on, this is CES, it is not a gamer show and never has been. I live in Las Vegas and attend it every year. Its about introuducing all the hottest new tech devices for the coming year, not games.

[gaffyh]

@Bladestar - You DO know that happyface is an xbox fanboy right? And last time I checked the Sony E3 conference was the BEST this year. You seem to be forgetting MS went all casual this year with the most crappiest games that make me wish I didn't have a 360 :(, if any f***wit actually bought You're in the Movies, they deserve to be punched in the face repeatedly.

Is Sony doing a conference at CES? (Although if they do it will probably concentrate on their OLED tvs)

[Marquis_de_Sade]

I'm more than content with what both consoles bring us this year. All consoles have rough years, 2007 was poor for the PS3, 2010 will be poor for the 360, although Halo:ODST and Halo Wars will hopefully live up to the expectation. Luckily I have both consoles so I can enjoy the best of both worlds.

[prowiew]

This was expected. CES was never a gaming megaton show.

[THAMMER1]

Could you be more bitter!?

[Erotic Sheep]

Bladestar you're a noob. You make less sense than a chipmunk humping a turd.

Oh and FYI, its EA and Bioware making Mass Effect 2, well done. I did notice the only exclusive you could name now is Gears of War 2.. seriously are you so much in denial that you actually think Microsoft has more 1st party devs like Sony and Nintendo??

[360RRODFIX]

This guy has worst personality EVER! How can anyone give him job if beyond my mind

[ThatCanadianGuy]

This is the real Steve balmer..

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[poopsack]

i know! who in the right mind would give steve jobs?

[morganfell]

Is it just me or does Balmer remind everyone else of Matt Foley.

[The Lazy One]

Pirates of Silicon Valley.

That shows how apple and M$ came to be, and it makes more sense after watching it.

[Arsenic13]

He is the hybrid Jock and Nerd.

[InMyOpinion]

aka übermensch.

[pp]

Well i wasn't expecting anything from CES so i won't be disappointed i'm looking forward to E3 2009.

[thereapersson]

Don't be too surprised if they don't mention their console division very much. I'm sure they will have more saved for later in the year.

[Figboy]

it's called the CONSUMER ELECTRONICS SHOW.

the Xbox 360 is a piece of consumer electronics, and a very important one to Microsoft, you think it'd garner a bit more than just a brief mention at their show.

a look at what's in store for the future in terms of new features, applications, and software is a must, especially at the start of the new year.

i don't think anybody should be jumping to conclusions about what MS is going to have in store for the 360, but it's a little more than optimistic to think that a company with only 7 first and second party developers has this huge well of software waiting in the wings to unleash upon us during CES, E3, GDC, Leipzig, and TGS.

i would be remiss to not mention that Sony has 29 first and second party studios working on PS3 exclusives, and hardly any of them have been revealed. if there is one company that has a substantial portfolio of unannounced "surprises" for the coming year, it's Sony. Nintendo only has about 8 or so internal studios as well.

MS has coasted on 3rd party support for too long this generation. Sony coasted on 3rd party support during the PS1 era, but immediately began building up their first and second party development houses during the PS2 era. they've continued to increase that support with the PS3, while MS sees content to release studios like Bungie and Ensemble, and cancel promising projects from amazing developers (True Fantasy Live from Level 5), instead of investing in studios that will give them their identity beyond just the tired "shooter console" stereotype that dogs the Xbox consoles.

i own a PS3 and 360, and i want more games to play for my 360 that are exclusive, and really harnessing the power of the 360. games like Fable 2 ARE NOT pushing the 360's limits, and Gears of War looks great, but it's made using an engine that is designed to be multi-platform, and not built from the ground up to push the 360. considering that i have an investment in my 360 console, it's not too much to ask for MS to step up their game, and start building a first and second party legacy.

[Kushan]

The 360 is what, 3 years old? Plus, they've JUST released a massive update for it, why would they be talking about it again at CES? Simply put, there's nothing TO announce just yet, give it a few months and I'm sure there'll be lots more things on show.
What all has Sony announced recently, anyway? KZ2 has been talked about for years, it's nothing new but it's the PS3 game everyone is talking about. Not bashing Sony here, just saying that nobody's really big on announcing anything at this time of year.
Plus, it's only the KEYNOTE and it has to cover the WHOLE of Microsoft's Consumer electronics stuff and Microsoft's a pretty big company with a lot of fingers in a lot of pies. It's really not a big surprise at all that they're focusing on the next version of WINDOWS, you know, that OS that 90% of the world uses (As opposed to what, 25Million 360 owners?).

[elorm9]

So they can't announce NEW exclusives or at least some NEW info about their line-up? That'd be NEWs to me.

[Kushan]

I never said they can't, I just said that at this time of year, not much stuff gets announced and CES isn't really the place for it. I mean, there's a couple of big events DEDICATED for games, but not really one dedicated for Windows or Mobile Phones or whatever, so it makes sense that Microsoft will glaze over the 360 a bit here.

[AAACE5]

It cost alot of money to set up stuff for a show! CES is mainly about new tech like Computers, cellphones, etc.

Technically, it is not the place to show games, because they may get overshadowed by the new tech, or the new tech might get overshadowed by the games! If anything, i'd expect a few announcements.

With so many high profile game shows taking place throughout the year... it would not be the best idea to throw money at a show like CES.

Also keep in mind, toward the end of 2008, MS said they would have some surprising announcements in early 2009! Which leads me to believe we should at least hear something at CES or at the first games show of the year.

@Dassalfc... CES is about "NEW" technology! All the current consoles have been out for over a year, so they don't fit in.

[dazzalfc]

Given how the Xbox 360 has done well over the holiday, i would have thought some of Microsofts focus would have been promoting it even more. Yes, it has specialised gaming shows to showcase the 360, but the 360 is an electronic product, and this is an electronic trade show, so i would have thought one to two half decent things would have been planned.

Although, with Windows 7 being its main focus, its not too much of a suprise to see that getting the main look in, however, with Vista proving to be a commercial disappointment and Windows 7 failing to live upto expectations with several PC experts, maybe it should have concentrated on the positive more, which is only really the 360 at the moment.

[Evil Gamer]

That would be the dumbest move in history to throw ANY cards on the table in JANUARY...There is one timer and one time only that you need to shock the world..and that is E3..period..nothing else comes close...

Last year's CES Sony bragged about its consoles sales and talked about Little Big Planet...So why can't Microsoft talk about Windows 7..The great sales of the holiday season and it's Flagship franchise..

Who cares if some random poster pretends to be oh so disappointed..who cares if Anti-X-Box bloggers tease you at a fanboy site..CES pales in comparison to an E3 that will finally bring back the fans..Keep the Xbox a footnote..it won't change how great it did this year

[dazzalfc]

...you seem to have forgotten that E3 isnt the show it use to be, and that CES is a bigger show than what you seem to make out. I agree that it isnt the place to showcase new games or make major announcements, however, i would expect something more than 'just a footnote' considering how well the 360 is supposidly doing.

If it is doing that well, then why not take the opportunity to sing and dance about it at a large consumer show?

[eagle21]

Can I have cheese with that whine?

[guiltyspark]

Are you upset because sony will never pull out of 3rd place ?

Or do you honestly think there will be major gaming announcements at CES?

[eagle21]

yo mama is a dip shi$. :)

[eagle21]

You're the only one getting owned.

yo mama must be a dirty crack whore too who runs the KKK!

When your parents make over 250k/yr. it's hard getting welfare checks chump! I bet you are dirt poor. :)

"yo mama" jokes aside, I think you might be white trash. And anyone who agrees with you is as well. Take your trailer park life and shove it.

[mcgrawgamer]

the author of the article didn't look up MSFT's ces schedule now did he???

[Boldy]

Well this is CES, just to remind everyone. There may be new games shown but CES is not really a gaming convention like E3 is.

CES and E3 are two different types of shows.

Edit: Thanks for pointing that out Kyur4ThePain. I hate shows that are represented by letters, I got the two confused. Well I thought the general theme of my original comment still held some weight so I made some changes to it.

[OOG]

yeah people on here dont want to hear that CES is an electronic expo...not a game convention....

ya know.... they like to make assumptions

[Kyur4ThePain]

While CES is not specifically a gaming expo, your description is more reflective of GDC than CES.

[OSIRUSSS]

The head guy at MS is the General from prison break!!! Figures though. The 360 is a footnote in the history of game consoles.

[mcgrawgamer]

"Game Power"
Jan 7th 11:30am to 12:30pm

The "Connected Game Consoles: King of the digital Home"
Jan 9th 12:45 to 2:00pm

Neither keynote will be held by Bald Head Balmer

do your homework.

[N4PS3G]

1 hour for 2 games?

seems like they have more to show or talk

[mcgrawgamer]

I don't know what they'll show, but the simple fact is this. the 360 is the only console MSFT has so to have a seperate keynote specific to gaming the gaming console shows that the 360 is far from a so called footnote. I'm not saying they'll announce any megatons or anything like that, but the 360 will be a centerpiece of at least 1 of their presentations.

FYI. my info came from the official ces website.

[Kushan]

Don't forget Games for Windows Live, Microsoft is still pushing that and when it comes to PC gaming, Microsoft's OS is pretty much the defacto.

[Killzonegamer83]

This is the true year of the PS3.. I know i know, your going to say "Just wait until later this year because it was like this last year" No actually it wasnt like this last year at all because we all pretty much knew Gears 2, fable 2 and a new banjo game was coming last year, whereas this year we dont have a clue whats coming for the 360.

Im telling you, the 360 has peaked and now MS is kicking themselves for peaking out the 360 already with the Gears franchise. I dont care how much money MS has, the 360 hardware can only do so much and the system has already peaked. its kind of ironic that now the 360 owners are using the "Just wait" argument, when those same 360 fanboys where making fun of PS3 owners last year for using the "just wait" argument.

Oh sweet irony how i love it

[N4PS3G]

Every year is the year of the ps3 didn't you get the memo?

[mcgrawgamer]

but we didn't have any information the 360 this time last year, just like this year. The only thing 360 owners need to face is the same thing ps3 owners need to face good games will be coming out for all consoles and no matter how much you don't like it the so called competition is not going anywhere.

[thor]

Like we pretty much know at least a new Forza/Project Gotham is coming this year, right? The 360's lineup is stronger COMMERCIALLY than all the fanboys on this site seem to make out. There are 2 Halo games coming out this year. Those are going to be big sellers even if they're not tremendous games in their own right.

Microsoft will advertise Alan Wake as well. I don't know why, but Alan Wake has been compared to Heavy Rain. It will absolutely dominate Heavy Rain in terms of sales, because Heavy Rain is a niche product. I don't think that many people _really_ want a story-driven adult-oriented game. If the graphics weren't as good, not so many people would be hyped about it. Let's compare exclusives now, shall we?

PS3:
Killzone 2
Infamous
Uncharted 2
White Knight Chronicles (though it will NOT be a big hitter by any stretch of the imagination)
Heavy Rain (won't be a big hitter either)

PS3 not going to make it for '09:
GT5
GoW3
Team ICO game

360:
Halo Wars
Halo 3: ADHD (or whatever the frigging acronym is)
Alan Wake

360 Likely:
Forza/Project Gotham - 360 hasn't had a good racer in a while
Other big name title

So I wish everyone would stop all this BS. Look - the 360 has just as many potential big-selling games - and in total they might well sell more than the PS3's big games in 2009.

The thing that could make a difference if loads of these "secret" PS3 games suddenly surface. If Sony has so many internal studios, what have they been working on? I suspect there have been a lot of cancelled projects. Not to mention the WASTED TALENT, DEVELOPMENT TIME AND MONEY that has gone into Home rather than 8 Days and The Getaway (which I was really anticipating before it was cancelled).

If GT5 makes it in 2009, the PS3's lineup will be stronger because Gran Turismo is a big system seller. But I doubt that will happen.

[guiltyspark]

its CES , not e3

gaming news is for gaming shows

[Killzonegamer83]

I know EXACTLY why MS wont announce any new big games anytime soon.. ok think about it like this, MS has what.. 5 million paid xbox live subscribers currently.. think how much that is a year, $50.00 multiplied by 5 million paid gold subscribers is $250 MILLION a year JUST from xbox live paid subscribers. MS has already made really good profits on accessories and games, so their financial plan now is instead of focusing on new games, to just draw that guaranteed income from xbox live paid subscribers because they know 360 owners are suckers and will continue to renew Xbox live in order to keep playing gears and Halo.

Im telling you, all MS cares about is the money, they have no loyalty to your gamers whatsoever. To MS, they already made their profit so now they can sit back and collect almost half a billion a year in xbox live fees from member renewing the subscription without worrying about putting out new games. You might think im paranoid but think about it, and it makes sense.

[N4PS3G]

lol ..you nailed it man!

You really know what you are talking about! Props! *chuckles*

[siyrobbo]

lol, sony doesnt like money then? Is that why they arent making any?

[Marquis_de_Sade]

Oh for heavens sake, has it ever occurred to you that Sony and MS are BOTH in this business for the financial reward? I love this conception that MS are money grabbers whereas Sony only make a console to show how faithful they are. Grow up, take off your fanboy specs and stop talking such nonsense.

[likedamaster]

"" Oh for heavens sake, has it ever occurred to you that Sony and MS are BOTH in this business for the financial reward? I love this conception that MS are money grabbers whereas Sony only make a console to show how faithful they are. Grow up, take off your fanboy specs and stop talking such nonsense. ""

Agreed.

And FYI, Microsoft reached 12 million subscribers for xbox live gold in May of last year.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

[ppthedipshit]

KILLZONE 2, Halo Killer Confirmed by OPM.

Lol at the Xbots. Bu bu but till E3! Microsoft s s sti still hasnt revealed there "exclusive" lineup! Microsoft has nothing and you Bots make me feel sick thinking otherwise.

Desperation at its finest.

[siyrobbo]

halo killer, the amount of times ive heard that branded about! yet it never seems to happen?

[guiltyspark]

That major gaming websites will flop the hell out of the game for being hyped as the second coming of christ by you people, not just because the gameplay is stale as hell.

BTW , since when have playstation fans been FPS fans?
thats what i find hilarious

ps2 days
"Bu but xbots are having fun and they are not even playing JRPG's.. "

5 years later after the 360 takes the world by storm and everyone is playing shooter games but the playstation doesnt have any

"I LEIK FPS TOO! :D KILLZONE GOTY!!1"

[ReTarDedFisHy]

IMO both companies are now trying to lure the other side. Microsoft is desperately buying out all RPGs and Sony is pumping out really killer FPS games.

And we're all FPS fans... who the hell isn't? I don't recall anyone saying that FPS games suck back in the PS2 days.

"5 years later after the 360 takes the world by storm and everyone is playing shooter games but the playstation doesnt have any"
What the hell? I'm not even going to say anything about that.
Please, take off your ignorance glasses.

I was in the beta too - and it literally p*ssed on all of my doubts. What's your PSN ID? I'll check you up on the Killzone website - you should have the Beta Recruit badge.

Edit: Oh... no more bubbles. Don't bother then. I ignore PMs from people who don't think before posting.

[DHAV0K]

i thought killzone 1 was a halo killer? what happened? =x

[Killzonegamer83]

I love how you 360 fanboys make it sound like the PS3 has been out for 8 years.. you and your other fanboys say "you guys have been saying every year is the year of the PS3" umm last year was the year of the PS3 until the 360 FINALLY got its price cut, last year the PS3 outsold the 360 worldwide and had the better games. So technically last year was the year of the PS3

[mcgrawgamer]

didn't know the 360 outsold the ps3 in the states and a recent report states the 360 has a million unit lead over the ps3 in the PAL region.

This x year is the year of x console crap needs to stop. You have a console that you enjoy and anyone who has a 360 should enjoy their console but this back and forth needs to stop. Let me ask you a question. What exactly do you get if the 360 fails? I mean it's obvious that the playstation is not going anywhere regardless of what some news mediums attempt to potray. so let me ask you again. what exactly do you get if the 360 fails?

[Killzonegamer83]

It makes perfect sense, xbox live paid subscribers is guaranteed money for MS.. Why do you think they havent announced any good games this year yet?! They know with gears 2 that will keep gamers paying the xbox live bill for atleast 2 more years, from here on out they are going to use all the revenue from xbox live to help fund the next xbox, its business sense.

[mcgrawgamer]

the same thing could be said and quite frankly has already been said about qore and home, they are both gimmicks and only used as revenue streams for sony etc, etc,. from what I hear the microtransactions have been very profitable for sony does that make you dislike the company if your enjoying the service???

I guess I'm trying to get you and every other gamer here to stop pointing the finger at the console you don't prefer simply because you don't prefer it....

[Nathan Drake]

There's only so many ways you can say "Halo and more Halo",so this comes as no surprise

[mcgrawgamer]

now it's a real party :)

[Marquis_de_Sade]

It was mildly amusing the first time you 'cracked' that one out, second time? Not so much.

[Killzonegamer83]

blah blah blah.. MS only up by a million consoles with a cheaper price point and a year headstart is very underwhelming. The PS3 came out a year later with very bad launch line up and a very very high price point with the fierce competition from both MS and nintendo and you are bragging that MS is only up by 1 million consoles?! wake up man

[mcgrawgamer]

answer my previous question please

edit. to answer your post below.
your basically saying what's good for the goose is not good for the gander? If so then that makes perfect sense. I won't go into a full detailed discussion with you only becuase it's obvious your more intrested in looking at msft in a negative light while giving sony all the praise and our conversation would not go anywhere. We wouldn't even be able to agree to disagree. I don't like either company over the other but to blatantly down one company because you don't prefer their product is kind of childish to me. Therefore I'll simply thank you for the discussion hope you have a great 2009 in gaming as will I.

[Fowack]

will you just shut up.

[Nicolator]

please shut up...

[likedamaster]

Yeah, and try to keep it "on topic".

[Darkshader]

I had a feeling that MS is reserving the top notch AAA game for E3. That's why they planned to release GTA DLC, and other multiplatform games for the month of February. But that won't persuade new potential consumers or PS3 owners to jump to XBOX360 as they don't have a AAA game to match KZ2.

The latest game that MS can announce will be on E3... maybe 1 or 2 unannounced games. But i'm not making my hopes up because MS only have a few first party developers left in their arsenals. So those games might end up announcing around 3rd or 4th qtr. So MS hope is their DLC and exclusivity games that they paid for from other Third Party Developers this first 3 qtrs.

[Killzonegamer83]

Its completly different. Sure Sony likes money also but sony has more of a proven track record of being more loyal to gamers by having the best and largest 1st party dev teams in the business. Look how MS does business, with ensemble they used them for Halo wars then shut them down immediatley. MS holds no value in 1st party development hence why Sony has the bigger and better 1st party dev team out of the big three.

ALSO, Instead of sony milking their base like MS does with xbox live fees year after year, sony insteads invests that money in good quality games from all different types of genres and thats how a gaming company should be. Oh and Home is a free service and playing online is free, so what if sony wants to make a extra buck or 2 by selling virtual items in Home, might i add ive bought quite a few items in Home and dont regret it all.

I mean come on, MS charges you $8.00 just to change your gamertag!! What kind of crap is that?! with $8.00 i can just about buy a full arcade game on PSN like a great game like Crash commando or bionic commando rearmed.. there is no excuse for MS to charge $8.00 just to change a gamertag, that is RIDICOLOUS!

[Fowack]

Just shut up, all your doing is talking and sh1t trying to be funny. Unfortunately your poorly misinformed and the farthest thing from funny.

[00]

you really should be posting your bs fanboy dribble in the open zone.

[OmegaKulu]

CES is not a game show, anything that have to do with 360 is likely going to be on the hardware and service side, so don't expect too much -.-

[GiantEnemyCrab]

The 360 hate wagon!!! Woo Woo!

All these trolls because MS isn't talking up games at a Consumer Electronics Show that in the past has never seen big game announcements.(?)

This is not GDC or E3 and MS has more than enough products/software to fill their keynote and not even mention Xbox 360. Windows 7 is a huge product for them this coming year, if the rumors of a 09 release are to be believed. They are going to focus on that more than anything.

Killzonegamer: Your theories are ridiculous.

" mean come on, MS charges you $8.00 just to change your gamertag!! "

The reason they charge $8 is to keep people from abusing it. Think about it.

[Nicolator]

i didnt expect the idiot to fig that out..

[Darkseider]

"ALL ABOARD The 360 hate wagon!!! Woo Woo!"

Sucks when the shoe is on the other foot don't it? This site has had nothing but anti-PS3 blog posts for the past 2 weeks. Here is an article about MS actually not talking about the 360 and making it a footnote in their CES presentation. Not even a freakin mindless blog but an actual story and you XBox fanboys get all twisted. Hey I guess it's like they say. What goes around comes around.

[joebahrjoebahr]

why do so many ps3 heads care about the xbox

[RedVsBlue]

Gears 2 is not XBOX Lives saving grace especially since it is fighting for the 3rd & 4th spot on the top 10 played list & just about all of the originals hard core Gears 1 gamers have left Gears 2 & moved on

[Covenant]

Waiting for E3...?

[shinobi333]

the majority of gamers as of late have become pathetic its really sad and pathetic....thats all i have to say

[devilhunterx]

Damn! Balmy looks like Scolar Visari in that pic.

[frictionini]

even if they're "reserving" sumthin'. What else is there that is big to announce in terms of exclusive games? None, MS already got the big titles w/ FF,Tekken and some exclusive deals(IU,Tales,TLR^_^) that turned out to be failure. MGS4, maybe but PS3 already got it.

just expect some Halo or whatever 1st/2nd party they have but that ain't big...

[Enterprise-E]

Thats pretty much it. I don't want to here anything about games or anything. Remember this is CES CONSUMER ELECTRONICS SHOW! NOT E3. Most people at these shows don't care about the games they care about electronics stuff.

I don't know maybe because after getting burned with Windows Vista 3 years ago I am hoping Windows 7 delivers the goods that i been reading about.

[likedamaster]

Well, I didn't get burned with Vista. It was a little bloated but works way better than XP. I moved on from XP a long time ago. Well, one of my Windows 98 pc's won't run Vista, so there. But like every electronic/software buff we like to hear about what's new and on the horizon... something we could spend our disposable income our wives don't know about on. Xbox 360 news? What for, I'm busy playing the games I didn't have time to finish/start when I got them last year. Now 2010 is another story. Xbox 720? Bring the noise!

Currently playing:
Left 4 Dead
Fallout 3
Dead Space
Gears of War 1/2
Fable 2
Super SF2 Turbo HD remix

[Darkseider]

"NO 360 love for you!"

>proceeds to hop around stage and screams..<

"Windows 7! Windows 7!, YeeeAHHHH"

[ElementX]

come on, it's CES, not a video game show. of course MS will show products that appeal to a wider audience. I'm still skeptical about their lineup, though.

[Lord Xire]

What's so disappointing about this?

It's CES.. Windows 7 is there counter attack product from the prototype Vista and it will be catered to millions most likely well beyond the numbers of 360s sold.

Recession times are hard...with a monster OS like Windows 7 being right around the corner...if they impress at CES...not only will stocks rise but it will be moving this economy forward the way this sh*t needs to be going.

I'm glad they rather speak about new products...GDC is around the corner I can wait.

[Darkseider]

Windows 7 is far from a "Monster OS". Having played with the betas through the MSDN it is nothing too impressive. Microsoft's crowning glory in the OS dept. was Windows 2000/XP and 2003 server. Everything after has been nothing but absolute trash. Server 2008, Office 2007 and Exchange 2007 are absolutely horrible compared to their predecessors. Linux and OS X are so far above and beyond Windows desktop/server in terms of elegance, speed, reliability, security and stability. I wish for once MS would just swallow their freaking pride and build an OS around a BSD kernel similar to OS X and keep the Windows GUI to make folks happy. Instead they try to reinvent the wheel and everytime they do it just keeps getting worse.

[Ldubbz]

....compared to Mac. but when u keep in mind that Windows is designed to run countless hardware configurations (hello Sony...lol) from bargain basement crap to ridiculous custom rigs, its pretty damn amazing.

I doubt it will ever be as good as a Mac to me, but I can at least tolerate Windows now.

[Ldubbz]

Many of you are too funny...being one of the world's largest companies, the Xbox brand is not MS' bread and butter believe it or not, and the impending release of Windows 7 is a far bigger thing for them to focus on right now, especially at CES.

Gotta love that pic of Balmer tho...I think he's about to eat your children!!!

[Ps_alm3k]

M$ announce their new games for 09....
about two exclusive already came out for ps3...
Justify your purchase......

[Droid Control]

We only just got Vista?!

Shouldn't they fix that first?

[likedamaster]

It has it's flaws but name one thing that's broken. And if you're up to it, name a few. Just wondering, I had a couple peripherals not work when it dropped but even my 10 year old scanner works on it now.

OS: Windows Vista Ultimate x64

[Break Limit]

Really Blade star? So no PS3 hasn't had any impact on MS? Pfft. Before MGS4 and other good games came out, PS3 wasn't really selling well. Only the playstation loyals bought it. Now that ps3 owner gets games of course it's going to impact MS. Look how many price cuts they had already in their 3rd year.

And whoever believes that 199.99 is a great deal bs is dumb. You still gotta buy a hard drive and other stuff, please don't get me started, I'm also a sucker that bought the core version.

You know MS got scared when they had to pay money for PS3 exclusives. Sony didn't pay for jack squat.

Who ever said that one game can wipe out a game company? No really? When people wait untill a certain ps3 game comes out, it means watch how much systems will be sold. And for a fact it is selling dramatically.

I don't give a darn what you say but If MS is making profits now, how will they profit again when they price cut? To what 99.99? Get out of here little kid. Go play your halo 3. And LOL at (cash at hand) comment. Do you work for MS? Sony is also a big company as MS. In fact MS is not even the monopoly of a company it was back then. Other things sell well better than their softwares/hardwares. Apple and everyone else's product are better than MS. That's a fact. Don't get me wrong, MS is has good products but you make it seem like they're invincible. They're not.

People(Xbox Fanboys) keep waving the (MS has money flag). Well what has that got them last gen with all that money? Exactly.

Gears 2 came out only two month because it was already established retard, while other games are being developed fresh. BTW LBP is not a flop it's over a million within 2 months. I didn't care about lair, and you're right about home, and it sucks even more now that the chat was taken off.

Sony screwed up a lot this gen, but they have also done a lot to make it up. Still I don't agree with their marketing for their 1st party titles.

[DHAV0K]

i agree the 199.99 is bs but i have been eyeying it and wanting to attach the 120 gb to it. instead of getting the elite. makes sense to me cuz i want to get it custom made. as far as LBP goes, thats the only game i like on the ps3. i dont consider it a flop but i will say resistance is.

[DHAV0K]

wasnt there hype for that trash of a game called HAZE a few yrs back??? ps3 should be worried about hideo kojima messing with a multiplatform game! not to mention that FF is gonna be huge for 360. xbox has gotten GTA, DMC, FF....what other franchise is left to take from ps? these 3 franchises made the ps. im not sure of FF, but GTA and DMC has sold better on 360 than ps3. MGS should jump on board. can any1 tell me why it didnt sell squat? when the time is right the announcements will be made. btw, working on windows should be a priority over 360 because of the VISTA debacle

[yojoe26]

I don't agree with some of your arguments. Yes Haze was terrible that I think we can all agree on (even though I never played it), but did it ever occur to you why alot of those former playstation franchises sold better on the 360? The 360 had like double the install base of the PS3 at the time and not to mention IT WAS FRICKIN HALF THE PRICE!! Also how long do think MS's practices of just buying everybody else's franchises instead of making their own original IP's is going to last. Even this year things are becoming clear that Microsoft doesn't have a whole lot of their own stuff to offer this summer. This is the beauty of Sony's buisness practices. Even if rich bully company Microsoft can afford to buy every single one of their third party exclusives they can't touch the first party one's (Twisted Metal, God of War, Killzone, Uncharted, ratchet and clank, LBP, Motorstorm,etc.) Sony is putting out brand new IP's even faster than Microsoft can buy up all of their others, and that's extremely impressive. I'm not bashing, but I'm just saying if Microsoft is in this for the long haul then they're gonna have to learn to stand on their own two legs. If Microsoft would start giving to the industry instead of taking I might have a little respect for their company. Come up with some innovation, original IP's, start some of your own in-house development studios. This is what I want to see from Microsoft. Not how many establised exclusives they can steal. People can bash and say all they want about Sony and the PS3, but there is no denying what they are giving to the industry. They aren't just being leeches and trying to suck the life out of their competitors, they are trying to win the race through innovation, technology, and creating new franchises.