Report: Star Wars Jedi: Survivor Discs Indicate "Download Required" in Order to Play

Star Wars Jedi: Survivor physical disc versions will still require players to download data before they can play the single-player game.

[-Foxtrot]

*Sigh*

Really...

[Crows90]

This is common place. The real issue is requiring online connection at all times. I understand that with the size of games, etc.. they may need to require bigger downloads than what is possible on disc or they decided to save money on that end.

[isarai]

It is not common place wtf are you talking about? Not a single game in my PS5 physical collection requires a download to work.

[Crows90]

@isarai
Most games require a download. You download the game don't you? Discs pretty much function as the DRM device now. Most of the game data needs to be downloaded. Could be wrong but all or most of my physical PS5 games have needed it. Haven't tried doing installations without internet connection though

[execution17]

@Crows90 🤷‍♂️ last disc PS5 game I bought was GT7 and the game is on the disc and best to installed while your disconnected from the internet so it transfers the data over faster to the ssd

[shinoff2183]

No excuses. Double that disc up. Companies have done this before and still do. For those that prefer physical media we gotta push back

Crow90

Most games don't require a download I'm not sure where your getting this. Maybe an update sure especially the bigger aaa titles but for the whole actual game. That's just not true.

[luckytrouble]

Reminds me of when Kingdom Hearts 3 came out, and the original discs are worthless for offline play because they didn't include the end of the game to avoid spoilers from leaks. A valiant effort, but a dick move since that meant downloading a sizable chunk of game + the day one patch, the bane of anyone with less than stellar internet or a harsh data cap. You actually had to hard wait to buy a later printing of the game in that scenario, and you were forced to buy new to make sure you didn't end up with a launch copy.

The "*sigh* Really..." moments just insist on showing up a few times a generation from a publisher that is either greedy or simply misguided. Would be nice if publishers remembered how many places actually still don't have access to high speed internet, much less enough data to give a single game 50GB+ of it.

[shinoff2183]

There's 100s if not 1000s of areas in the u.s. alone that don't have high speed internet to this day

[LostPotato]

More DRM or they just don't know howto compress games anymore nowadays.

[neomahi]

They don't compress games any way. It's the Activision tactic. The game isn't stored on the disc, it's just an activation code. Seriously. I just bought Titanfall 2 digitally last night for $3.50 on the PS Store and the game was 60GB (the original PS3 HDD) and took 3 hours to download and used up data in an ISP market that's getting ready to re-enforce data caps which means when you go over, you pay, and while 4K streaming is available, you're encouraged to stream SD resolution to keep up your limit. Games are HUGE these days, ALL OF THEM, with exception to Nintendo's that never require updates and fit on cartridges l, and Bluray disc maximum capacity discs, Dual-layer, are only 50GB still. How big was The Last of Us: Part II? Yeah, I hate Electronic Arts, but unlike other devs and publishers, at least EA are courteous enough to tell you where everyone else tries to quietly sweep it under the rug. If you'd like a list of file sizes to show you've been played all along on this thinking all your games are on a disc you own, you're wrong. Your Bluray disc are just an authentication code granting you rights to a game, that can be taken back if the distributor chooses

[QuantumMechanic]

False! The vast majority of disc-based games, at least on Playstation systems, are playable without further download. They may be a bit rough but are generally playable. The number of exceptions were limited generally to service games in the PS3 era. Only Xbox Series games profoundly suffer this problem because SmartDelivery is only smart for MS, since the discs contain at best the Xbox One builds. Finally, this notion that physical games can be reclaimed is absolutely absurd; no law enforcement department would try to do this. And, if you want to try to argue there could be software-based gatekeeping, well, then one can always purchase a new/clean console and keep it offline.

[dumahim]

"They don't compress games any way.'

Do you realize how big a game would be if they used no compression?

[shinoff2183]

Neo

Do you have that list handy I'd sure like to see it. I do know they exist but think it's being overblown because it isn't that many

[XiNatsuDragnel]

Seriously for SP * Download required * man this sucks

[QuantumMechanic]

Well, given that a second disc would cost them only another dollar or so, EA has lost my purchase. I've got plenty of games in my backlog; they just made it easy for me to keep my money.

[Andrew336]

Not all heroes wear capes.

[Fist4achin]

Some wear discs!

[wiz7191]

It would only cost $1 for a single disc , they’ll have to print millions of disc to put in stores all around the world. How much you’ll think that cost in total ?? I bet wayyyyy more then a $1 .. Gamers are to demanding these days , how about you pay so we all can have the second disc we need .. I bet if you was footing bill you’ll have the same tune

[shinoff2183]

You work for ea dog.

Let's see if it cost them a million to print more disc a game that's a;out to make 50 mill 100 mill whatever it sells. It's a bs move.

How are gamers demanding o shit you mean when I buy a physical copy of a game I demand to have it all on disc. Well no fkg shit of course I do

[QuantumMechanic]

I'd be more than happy to pay a slightly higher price for multi-disc games. I'd give them another $5 (exceeding the disc cost) to defray the lost sales of those who opt not to buy physically as a result of the immense burden disc-swapping places upon them.

[SDuck]

how much are you paying for the standard version of the game in day 1? What's that? 70 bucks? Geez that certainly can't cover the cost of an extra dollar per copy!

[wiz7191]

@Shinoff nah not at all , but what ever cost companies have to pay always gets pushed onto the consumers every time .. it’s going to be $70 next things it’s going to be $80 or $90 per multi disc game.

[shinoff2183]

Exactly. Like they couldn't afford a second disc. Shit move on ea s part

[Hofstaderman]

Well EA you will require a sale from me in order for that to happen....good luck to you.

Is the download locked by a code btw??? If so that's scummy.

[excaliburps]

Depends on what EA does. MW2 had a activation key as part of the disc, so you "unlocked" it but had to DL it anyway.

[Welshy]

On which platform? I have MW2 on PS5 and didn't have to enter any codes to download the online component.

[Welshy]

Replying to my own comment to see if someone wants to own up to disagreeing with a fact and elaborate which platform they have that requires code activation to use the disc. MW2 does not have an activation key on console, disagreeing with objective fact is a certified N4G moment.

[Knushwood Butt]

Dunno mate. I don't play CoD.

[jznrpg]

The article says it doesn’t know if it’s a full download or just an access key.

[ZeekQuattro]

PS5 and Series X BluRay discs hold up to 100 GB. Jedi Survivor is 147 GB on PS5 and 140 GB on the Series X according to their respective store fronts. So no its not just a simple access key situation.

[PhillyDillyDee]

Yeah that really stinks. It wont affect most people but there is still a decent chunk of gamers who dont have access to decent internet or even internet at all. Seems like they’re probably doing it to save a buck or two on incuding a second disc but thats a bad look. Also, from a game preservation standpoint, not good.

[lellkay]

Booo!

[Moegooner]

First the massive size. Now this. Lol bye 👋.

[GotGame818]

As I stated awhile ago. Most games require an internet connection. Many games that are "physical" don't even contain the game. You have to download it.

[dumahim]

Most games do not.

[GotGame818]

If they require a day one patch, which happens all the time, how do you do that without the internet?

[shinoff2183]

Yes they do. Most games come full on disc. Wheredo you guys hear this bs. Some aaa games don't but most still in fact come complete on disc

[JackBNimble]

With a day 1 patch to fix your buggy game.

[Solitariussaint]

That only applies to XBS games, not PS5 games.

[CrimsonWing69]

I mean, don’t we usually download Day 1 Patches to play?

I honestly don’t understand what the issue is.

[ModsDoBetter]

When the servers go offline, you can still play a game without a day one patch - that’s the difference.

When the game is only 80% on disc then you literally cannot play this game in the future.

Then you have to also factor in data caps (US, I believe operate off of these) whereby consumers can only download set amounts per month or face extortionate charges.

We also have data speeds, outages, etc and let’s not pretend service outages don’t happen - PlayStation, Xbox, ISP, they can happen at any time and that renders your physical copy unusable unless you’ve already got it installed and kept the game on your console.

This is just another way of implementing DRM and forcing the “you don’t own the game, you own a licence to play the game”. Poor practice when they could include a second disc for a negligible amount.

[CrimsonWing69]

Well, all I can say is something silly like that isn’t going to keep me from playing this.

People are so melodramatic. You know what else requires always online? Your online console features. You want to update your console? Gonna need a network connection to download the update? Wanna play MP games? Gonna need a network connection.

I mean in this day and age I need to have an an always online network connection for work. Also, I must be blessed because it’s very rare for me to have a network connection down and since I have so much in my home that requires a network connection I make sure that gets fixed asap. I think a game that requires you to “download” a patch to make it play isn’t a big deal at all.

[ModsDoBetter]

@Crimson

“I think a game that requires you to “download” a patch to make it play isn’t a big deal at all.”

It’s not a patch, you are literally downloading the game. Which defeats the purpose of buying a physical copy.

If it’s not going to stop you from playing then more power to you. I’ll still play it and I’m sure the game will be great BUT just because people have a different opinion than you doesn’t mean they’re being “melodramatic”. They’re entitled to their view and to support or not support a title based on practices displayed by the publisher.

“ You know what else requires always online? Your online console features. You want to update your console? Gonna need a network connection to download the update? Wanna play MP games? Gonna need a network connection.”

All vastly different examples from the issue at hand.

This is a single player game.
This is not a console, this is not a MP game, this is a single player game. Once again, it’s a Single. Player. Game. There should be absolutely no need to have to download a portion of the game because the publishers are penny pinchers who don’t want to burn a second disc whilst making record profits. There are those who prefer media preservation, there are collectors, & then there’s people like yourself who just don’t really care either way as long as you get to play the game and that’s absolutely fine, I hope you enjoy it but to act as if the disappointment is unjustified is a wee bit closed minded. When you buy a physical game you expect that level of preservation that comes with it, to be able to dust off the PS5 in 15-20 years time like I do frequently with my PS2, pop a disc in and be good to go. This practice completely hinders that.

[thesoftware730]

Two disc? What are we in the Ps1 Ps2 ear?

Come on man, time have changed, you can't possibly expect this when sales, player engagement and everything about gaming is at all time high. The proof is the pudding, that most gamers are connected and able to download small to large files, some people might not like it but they are in the minority and no industry in the world operate for the minority.

CoD, the Divison, Destiny 2 and even single player games with major DLC, like Horizion: FW, GoW :R, and countless other sell in the millions to billions. It's unfortunate that the minority of people that have no internet or data caps are possibly left out, but the market speaks for itself.

How many times people gonna keep having this same discussion? How many times can people be outraged by the same shit? Gaming is at all time high, and the internet along with connectivity, DLC, digital games are the reason.

[ModsDoBetter]

JFC - I’m done with this thread.

You both can’t distinguish between a day one patch and the actual game download. Like beating a dead horse trying to get through your thick skulls.

[thesoftware730]

The issue is people wanting to be outraged at any and everything.

This is not new, tons of games even require a day one patch and without it, the game would be incomplete or very beta.

I can't possibly understand why this would keep you from playing a game you are excited about, I mean I understand the people who have data caps, but this game is no different than the 100s that require similar downloads.

[CrimsonWing69]

That's exactly my feelings on it.

Seeing people cancel a game over this seems so absurd to me. You're going to miss out on game, which is probably going to be an amazing gaming experience, just because it requires a "download" to play?

Even if you are a purely physical media collector, do you not always download the updates, which require network connectivity, or do you play the game unmatched with your console having 0 network connectivity?

I'm struggling to see the issue.

[shinoff2183]

As a gamer and physical game collector I have every right to be upset with this bs practice. Say what you want but not everyone is down or was down with the digital age your favorite console ushered in. There's still millions of us who prefer physical media simple as that.

If you decide to quote any physical vs digital numbers do me a favor and make sure they don't add in mobile games because most do

Crimsowings69

Maybe if you prefered physical games youd see the issue but the issue at hand is if its not completely on disc dont sell like it is. Do you know how many people wont notice that on the box. Its extremly misleading to boot.

[CrimsonWing69]

@Shinoff2183

“Do you know how many people wont notice that on the box? It’s extremly misleading to boot.”

Well, according to this study only 28%.

https://mynintendonews.com/...

Are you going to give up the hobby when it goes full digital? I just think it’s a bit much to NOT play a game because it’s digital. Again, I don’t have the constant network issues as some and I find digital to be more convenient, but to each their own.

I guess you could always YouTube a play-through if you didn’t want to buy it.

[Lexreborn2]

Games like this I just get digitally because the physical is mundane

[ElendilsSorrow]

Becoming a trend now, a worrying one

[BlaqMagiq1]

This makes zero sense. They could've included a second disc as a data disc. TLOU2 and RDR2 both did this.

[MetroidFREAK21]

That is dumb

[Abear21]

Digital>physical because they are the same thing now?

[Welshy]

I'm not happy at all about this trend of the entire game not being on the disc, but this by no means makes digital and physical the same.

1) You can get physical copies cheaper day 1 than digital storefront prices 99% of the time.
2) You can install it on any system you like regardless of the online account and don't have to worry about licenses being tied to certain accounts
3) When you're done with it you can trade it in or sell it.

With these sub par physical release trends even taken into account, physical is still both cheaper and more consumer friendly than a digital purchase.

[shinoff2183]

Ost

[isarai]

Pass.

[gold_drake]

UGH WHY
put in an additional data disk ya fools

[TheEnigma313]

It's an EA game, no one should be surprised.

[neomahi]

THATS CONSIDERATE! Seriously, that's respect and coming from Electronic Arts, that double so. Developers have zero respect for HDD space for consumers releasing such massive updates as big as their games, which is INCREDIBLY DISRESPECTFUL or they just sell you the Blu-ray disc with an authorization code on it (like Activision does with PC games) and then you download the whole game NOT INSTALL IT. It's disrespectful of your customers because these days:

1) Bandwidth and the time it takes to download games and updates for gamers that just wants to play games takes forever

2) You're not being very mindful of data caps that ISP put on customers and that gets chewed up really fast and then your bandwidth is severely throttled or you get charged up the ass for going over that. So, at least Electronic Arts has the courtesy to let customers know what they're getting into. Would a second disc have been nice? Yeah or a larger capacity bluray (100GB) but other publishers doesn't give a flying rats, they just sell it to you and say "figure it out". That's a major problem gamers need to ban together to fight. It's our internet and our time. Either develop a larger capacity disc, or make it two discs because it's not fair to treat everyone like dirt and slap them with additional data costs because you can't control yourselves.

Kudos to EA, for once. I absolutely hate the way they do business, but this at least shows some consideration versus the rest of the lying nut-kicking game development community, with the exception of Nintendo that keeps everything on a single cartridge. Seriously, kudos to their Quality Assurance and Game Testing Teams, I never have to update a Nintendo game and it's all on the cartridge.

[46player]

LAN connection preferred.

[ravens52]

The whole game better be on disc. If not, why even put out a physical copy. Just make it digital only. That's deception at its finest

[contra157]

Sounds like Disney to me

[isarai]

Sounds like EA to me

[contra157]

Both so the same 😀

[northpaws]

Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order is a good game, and Respawn is a good studio, I have high hope of Star Wars Jedi: Survivor. Are gamers really at the point where they just like to hate on everything and would rather skip an actual good games just because they have to download a patch before starting? If it is not stated on the box, most of you would just wait for the day-one patch to download and never notice this anyways.

I guess that's what human do now, get bothered by things that never actually affect them in the first place.

[Gregero]

Guess I won't be buying this shit then. I feel cheated when GT7 servers go offline just for a few hours.

[shinoff2183]

Ea up there with the worst of them. Probably wasn't buying this one anyway. I enjoyed what ive played of the first but nothing i was excited for. . F off ea

[sadraiden]

Call me old, call me a stick in the mud, call me whatever you want. I'm kind of happy to be skipping this generation on console. From the lack of available units causing rampant scalping, to a small handful of exclusives, to the abject lack of collectibility of any of the games due to no game data on discs and always online DRM.....yeah, am I supposed to be excited for the haptick triggers?

I'll happily play this game on PC.

[Rhythmattic]

Yep.. They have Oiled up, without a glove , because the fisting is just something gamers must accept.
I will not by this game... Ill wait for a release as part of some sub im already paying for....
Luckily, Im not the "I must play it before anyone else does" gamer..
Everyone has a back log, Dont they?

[chicagOriginal]

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