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Forspoken: Unfair Dialogue Criticism?

Forspoken, a game that was just released in the gaming industry, has been met with a variety of responses from both gamers and critics. Many people have found the conversation and delivery to be awkward and cringe-worthy, which is one of the primary criticisms that have been made about it.

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sammarshall102491d ago

It's very unfair the way this game has been treated. I wouldn't be saying this if the game deserved the hate

I'm around 7 hours in and it's been fantastic: Cool boss fights, some of the best traversal, great combat with a ton of magic options and an interesting story

The dialogue has made me laugh a few times in a good way, it's not nearly as bad as people tried to make it seem

FingerAction491d ago

I kind of agree with u. the dialogue is bad at times but like I've said before it's still a decent game.

EvertonFC490d ago

Exactly, imagine going back in a time machine telling 80/90s gamers that gamers in 2023 shit and moan about swearing in games 😂🤣

TallDarknWavy490d ago

It's not the swearing, it's the cringe dialogue.

NecrumOddBoy490d ago

I’ll say this: Ni No Kuni is also a Japanese RPG where the main protagonist leaves the earth world and is thrust into a fantasy land with the awareness something is not normal. NNK is a masterpiece in emotion, surrealism, and wonder. It’s well written and well acted.

The difference is Forspoken’s writing and acting isn’t good; they don’t mesh well, and the product doesn’t land. I think if the acting was better the dialog would have been a little better but it feels and sounds like they are reading of a script for the an infomercial. It’s just bad.

AirRevenant490d ago (Edited 490d ago )

Oh yes... the voice acting and dialogue writing of Ni No Kuni characters... is so... good...
Also, a majority of it is just written not voiced as far as I recall?

Not to say NNK isn't enjoyable but -- come on..

sammarshall102490d ago

As someone who has many hours in Forspoken, I think people got caught up on too many 'haha Forspoken clips' without any context

There are good moments with good writing

Jaces491d ago

There's bad dialogue and then just pure cringe with a fistful of F bombs to complete the edgy factor they're trying so hard to meet.

Reminds me of every season of Castlevania aside from the first, when will writers learn to use cursing in a manner that will enhance the "oh shit" factor, ie Bojack Horseman. You can be edgy without cursing every 10 seconds.

jambola490d ago

It reminds me of when I watched a show, and I don't know for sure, but I can only assume the network or something got less strict on the word "shit" and they used it almost every episode
times 10

Jaces490d ago

It honestly makes me wince every time I hear "fuck" now, it's so overused. It can't be that hard to check a thesaurus from time to time. XD

RaiderNation490d ago (Edited 490d ago )

Ever watch the Netflix show "The Ranch" with Sam Elliot and Ashton Kutcher? I swear, every 10 seconds an F-bomb is dropped. It gets annoying after a while. And I'm not one who is usually sensitive to swearing on TV or in movies. But when it's overkill it becomes a distraction.

H9491d ago

The frequency of said dialogue and how important is dialogue to the game is what determines if it can be ignored or not, it's like with story, if your story is bad but the story takes 2% of the time then it can be ignored but if your story is 10 hours of cutscenes 15 of gameplay then no it can't!

ravens52490d ago (Edited 490d ago )

What makes me laugh is the people who say it has too many curse words... the fuck? Stop being a fucking baby like you don't fucking curse all the fucking time. Is it too vulgar for you, get a switch then.
(I have a switch)

Cawcawman490d ago

Yeah, clearly you have a switch.

adamwparker490d ago

Woah, calm down there. It's not the actual swear words that are people's problem.

It's the forced use of them. It's like having to hang out with a bunch of 14-16 year old kids. It's fine at first but you start getting annoyed at the "trying to sound cool" behavior very quickly.

It's like, "Why do you have to swear every sentence? You may think it's cool with your friends, but you know you sound totally immature to everyone else, right"?

The difference here is those kids ARE immature(it's the nature of adolescence).

This game had the choice to be or not to be.

They chose to be.

JEECE490d ago

"It's the forced use of them. It's like having to hang out with a bunch of 14-16 year old kids. It's fine at first but you start getting annoyed at the "trying to sound cool" behavior very quickly."

This exactly. This is why I dread anytime a show gets moved from airing on television to being streaming only. I instantly know all the characters are going to start sounding like 7th grade boys in the locker room of a middle school junior varsity basketball team.

Also you can tell who the teenagers are on here because they are always like "nu uh, that's how adults actually talk!!!"

EvertonFC490d ago (Edited 490d ago )

In the UK it's the adults not 14/16. The over swearing in factories, construction work and warehouse is where I picked up the habit of swearing in my younger years when 1st starting at work.
Or try working on the rail lines or motorways, the language is constant swearing it's hard to know what they're talking about 🤣😂 especially with Scottish or Geordies 😂🤣

jambola490d ago

I think that sums it up perfectly
i tend to swear plenty, but even I can tell the difference between how i do it now, and how I did it when I was 13

yeahokwhatever490d ago

using excessive expletives cheapens them and shows a lack of vocabulary. its weakness, pronounced.

jambola490d ago

I think it's more to do with how forced it is
swearing can be fine
but then there's people who swear like you are and it's really cringey

JEECE490d ago

Yeah this guy was trying to argue there's no such thing as immature excessive swearing but instead he just provided a perfect example of it. Like if you are going to do it, learn to do it effectively.

shinoff2183490d ago (Edited 490d ago )

I work in manufacturing and it's cuss words thrown about all day. Maybe some should just come down off that horse their so high on.

I'm mid 30s

Jaces490d ago (Edited 490d ago )

@ravens52

It's, like, not about, like, vulgarity, it's, like, really annoying when, like, they use the same, like, word 50 times in, like, a span of, like, a few minutes, like, duh.

Watch out everyone, we have an edgelord over here!

JEECE489d ago

Yep. There's a big difference between someone who actually swears naturally in relevant places as a part of the way they talk and someone who sounds like a 15-year-old who just saw The Departed for the first time last week and decided to try to make it his entire personality. Ravens52 is clearly the latter.

ravens52489d ago (Edited 489d ago )

Absolutely, relevant places, like, idk, being transported to A DIFFERENT WORLD... Smart man.

Like, you should've, like used something, like not true, like. Its not a fact that people use like a lot in real life right. Exactly like you did. I don't imagine there's people who use fuck instead huh? Here's a hint (Homeless New York Orphan). Wonder how you expect her to speak. Definitely a disconnect for dense people.

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GhostScholar490d ago

I’m sick of this topic already. The dialogue is complete dung. So it’s fine to call the dialogue in pretty much every anime game crap but because the protagonist in this game is black we cant admit it’s bad? Whatever……..

Lexreborn2490d ago

That’s because the dialogue isn’t complete dung. I’m 34 hours into the game and haven’t had a single issue with the dialogue. And even if it was THAT bad… you are given an option to reduce the amount she talks… but people like you act like the option is some reinforced sign of it being bad. And not the devs trying to cater to the complaints people like you are having without compromising their game at its core.

You get other language options as well and STILL y’all act like you’re forced to listen to English. Y’all are tripping not because she’s black but because y’all tripping.

sammarshall102490d ago

Facts! They've built their narrative over the little of the game that they've seen

GhostScholar490d ago

I never said the game was bad I said the voice work and dialogue is

EvertonFC490d ago (Edited 490d ago )

WOW So all the hate on the game because of the dialogue and there is an option to reduce the amount she talks pmsl.
Just goes to show gaming journalism is pathetic and gamers don't check settings options in games.
Failing that, it's gamers moaning about a game they haven't even played and being a 🐑🐑🐑 cause it's the cool group/topic

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Most Disappointing Game of 2023

VGChartz's Craig S: "Who doesn't love a good dose of schadenfreude every now and then? There was no shortage of that on offer in terms of video games last year, hidden in plain sight amongst the more genuine disappointments (I'll leave it for you to decide which category each of the following games falls into).

One unfortunate trend when it comes to the biggest disappointments of the last year was that so many were new IPs, including Bethesda's latest major release Starfield, the Arkane Studio B-team's abortive attempt at a co-op vampire shooter, and Square Enix's action RPG Forspoken. Mega-franchise Call of Duty and the perennially delayed The Lord of the Rings: Gollum round out the list of Nominees."

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Profchaos133d ago

I think disappointing and bad are not the same thing.

The article calls out lotr Gollum that was not disappointing it was bad

Redfall is both disappointing and bad.

starfield, MW3 sure disappointing.

But if I was to add some disappointments of the year I'd add

firewall ultra absolutely a dumpster fire that killed the studio.

007 goldeneye the port of the N64 game it's disappointing as we didn't get the rare remaster version and the switch version has very poor controls.

Rdr was not the remake we wanted a simple port that didn't even run at 60 fps on launch on ps5

Jedi survivor Just broken on day 1

coolbeans132d ago

-"The article calls out lotr Gollum that was not disappointing it was bad"

I personally fall on the 'Gollum disappointing' spectrum. Here's why: even though Daedalic Entertainment was hopping out of their point-n-click lane, they *were* a solid group of devs that had an unexpected concept. Those two things, cheering on a dev taking a risk with a brand and the odd-yet-intriguing template, at least made me hope for something decent; instead, it's the reason they're only publishing now.

CBaoth132d ago

But the concept never stood a chance, even in the heyday of the Metal Gear/Splinter Cell days. When this was announced, no one was intrigued by its premise. Fell flat on its face. Even if Gollum had come out to glowing reviews the game would've struggled to perform financially. That's why it's not disappointing, just bad. Had no hype. All the other games Prof listed had the potential to sell great or be reviewed better but failed. Low effort remasters like the GTA collection, the RDR port, and MGS Collection could all sell well but still be severely disappointing. Gollum was uninteresting at concept, terrible in its execution. The result was expected sadly.

Sephiroushin31d ago

I don’t know but i don't even would put Gollum on a disappointment list, those list would be for games people expected much more than what they delivered and most people expected Gollum to be bad!

-Foxtrot132d ago

Goldeneye is so weird

We got no proper remaster for it despite the fact it was being worked on and it was almost done apparently then the Xbox version didn't come with online play but the Nintendo Switch one did...the Switch...the system where online play is a f***** ballache.

https://youtu.be/6B8ssbyAeR...

RhinoGamer88133d ago

I recently came back to Redfall, my lord...the controls and movement were a disgrace! I felt like my character was drunk. Zero fine movement control. The XBOX producers on this game should be fired.

OtterX133d ago

I think Diablo IV deserves to be on this list. While not the worst made game, it was one of the most disappointing. Many of us had such high expectations for it and it turned out to be so incredibly dull, a slog to play.

Sonic1881133d ago

It's basically Diablo Immoral 2.0 with lots of microtransactions

DarkZane132d ago

Diablo 3 was as much as a dumpster fire at launch, but a year later, it became a very good game and was well worth playing. Give Diablo 4 the same time. In a year, it's going to be awesome I bet.

coolbeans132d ago

I was under the impression their most-recent update fits that bill.

OtterX132d ago

K I'll try reinstalling in a year or 2.

I didn't play D3 until after the first year, so I will certainly give it another shot.. especially to try and get my money's worth out of it. But at launch, I was bored out of my mind and uninstalled it.

Sonic1881132d ago

That's the biggest issue. Unfinished games with lots of flaws and issues during launch. Unfortunately, most gamers don't forget or forgive that and would rather spend their money on another game

jznrpg133d ago (Edited 133d ago )

Jedi Survivor was disappointing for me because I waited until a month ago to play it and it still has major issues. My saves were getting corrupted so I had to restart an old save however many times and a plethora of other bugs.

Of course there is Redfall Starfield but to me it’s MS overhype underdeliver so I expected it to some extent but not as bad as it was.

Gollum had little to no expectations.

Forspoken was a disappointment but not as bad as it was made out to be especially if you turned on Japanese voice acting. It was a 7 type of game but it looked like it could have been better.

Diablo 4 was scored well at launch but all my friends that loved and played 3 (after years of swasons) up until 4 were disappointed with 4 and don’t play it anymore .

Factions getting canceled was a bit of a disappointment. Not huge as I don’t play gaas much but it was disappointing.

Nintendo not releasing Switch 2 again was disappointing to me. I don’t use my Switch much it’s just so outdated and mosty kiddy games release some more games that I want to play not my kids!

No physical copy for Alan Wake 3 disappointing as hell, actually beyond that it is upsetting (to some extent,I will live of course)

Gamers getting used to owning nothing and renting games is very disappointing. I don’t watch Netflix anymore it’s mosty mediocre crap and rental services will go that direction if allowed.

CBaoth132d ago

this whole gen has been a major disappointment to me. Least amount of gaming I've done since bar/clubbing days. Watching fanboys argue now is akin to a couple of kids fighting over the front seat of a short bus. They can't even argue over games anymore.....cuz there aren't any! With two of the console manufacturers "switching' over to x86 architecture we shouldn't be having these draughts but here we are. And the third happily chugs along selling games on decade old microchips with an OLED screen.

Profchaos132d ago (Edited 132d ago )

X86 is a shared architecture but both run different development pipelines so they still have to Dev for those consoles plus PC and Arm if a switch port is included.

None of this will reduce Dev times games are complex now probably more than they need to be honestly but if every studio takes 3 to 5 or even 10 years to bring out their big titles there's going to be many dry spells

On that note arm processing is far more efficient than x86 I think Nintendo is making the right call sticking with that and we will probably see Sony and Microsoft do the same next gen as more effort is being made to bring arm into desktop space lately

Profchaos132d ago

Being disappointed that Nintendo isn't releasing ultra violent games is like being disappointed that the the next GTA game is open world. Plus totk and Metroid prime remaster did come out this year that's about as violent as they will even get

Im pretty certain that one experiment in publishing devils third is one they would like to forget.

Plus all rumours for the switch 2 places it's release in 2024 they make killer numbers at Christmas if they announce they are making a switch 2 those sales dwindle and shareholders get upset. If a switch 2 doesn't release this year that's disappointing. And if third party's don't develop for it even more so there's zero garuntee they will

I agree gamers getting used to owning nothing is a huge disappointment I don't think many will go silently into that one though

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I Hope 2024 Isn't As Bad For PC Ports As 2023 Was

Ahmed from eXputer writes "The quality of PC ports has been seeing a severe decline recently, and many gamers have had enough."

anast174d ago

Switch Forspoken with Redfall.

JEECE173d ago

It can be an unfortunate trend in our industry to lump games people were looking forward to that didn't end up meeting their expectations and were just okay (Forspoken) with games that are broken (Gollum) or little more than asset flips (The Day Before). If expectations (and price) had been set appropriately, Forspoken wouldn't even be that bad.