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Jaffe: Gears of War 2 Versus God of War 3, PS3 Versus Wii

Kotaku: Famed Playstation developer David Jaffe may seem like an odd choice for guest developer for our in-game podcast about the Xbox 360's Gears of War 2.

We actually did invite Gears developer Cliff Bleszinski, but his handlers said he was too busy. But Jaffe certainly wasn't some sort of alternate or sub, as the head of his relatively new studio, Eat, Sleep, Play and the lead designer of God of War for the Playstation 2, Jaffe knows his stuff. He also surprised quite a few people recently when he called Gears of War 2 not only the best game of the year, but the best console game he's ever played.

happyface5614d ago (Edited 5614d ago )

is this ps3 dev secretly xbox bias?????

seems very traitorous to me, I bet Sony is going to get mad at him now for saying this, he's supposed to be a loyal sony fan and say resistance and little planet are the greatest games ever

edit: i'm going to email this to sony and get jaffe in trouble for his bias comments for liking Gears 2 the best this year instead of resistance

SonySoldiers5614d ago

He also surprised quite a few people recently when he called Gears of War 2 not only the best game of the year, but the best console game he's ever played.

happyface5614d ago (Edited 5614d ago )

I bet he was afraid of his comments getting back to sony

I'm very concerned Sony has a rogue bias dev on their hands now, what if he's secretly supporting MS?

edit: Nathan Drake I see a comment with him saying Gears 2 is the best console game of 2008 from you - this pretty much confirms this Jaffe dev is xbox bias

you should email this proof to sony and get him fired

morganfell5614d ago (Edited 5614d ago )

Add this:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

Originally Posted by AbortedWalrusFetus:
Just out of curiosity, what IS the best game you've ever played?

Edit: If you can make a Twisted Metal game that's as fun as Twisted Metal 2 was, I'll continue worshiping you.

Dave responded:

A BEST is kind of impossible...my top X list tho- in no particular order- is:

FLASHBACK
OUT OF THIS WORLD
DEUS EX
GOLDENEYE
TIME PILOT
METAL GEAR SOLID 4
ICO
MASK OF THE SUN
GYRUSS
HALF-LIFE

Hmmmm....no Gears of War 1 or 2.

Apparently Sony Soldiers only chose to pay attention to the Kotaku spin.

ultimolu5614d ago

...Lulz.

You're too funny.

Gue15614d ago (Edited 5614d ago )

FLASHBACK
OUT OF THIS WORLD

whoaaa, I'm impressed by this Jaffe guy! that's what I would call really good taste.

Aclay5614d ago

"is this ps3 dev secretly xbox bias?????"

Just because Jaffe said something good about a Xbox 360 game it automatically makes him Xbox biased? Hmmmm....I don't know, maybe Jaffe is just a True Gamer and shows appreciation for many games REGARDLESS of what console/platform they are on.

QuackPot5614d ago (Edited 5614d ago )

Jaffe's no fanboy nor biased. He's a developer that also loves games...of a particular sort....no matter what console.

He said both Gears and Metal were the pinnacle of games this year. And the fact is both games are great. Full stop.

Remember that Gears 2 is a better version of Gears - a a great game in the first place. There's not a significant leap from 1 to 2 because they got so much right with 1 in the first place.

Now...

They should have asked Jaffe:

1.

Why are the graphics in Gears better than Metal, Prologue or Little Big Plane? Possible bias here but only because he loved the complete balance of Gears.

2.

Should they change the perspective for GoW3 to be like Gears 3rd Person? Since he was the Director of the original, a tighter 3rd person perspective would be truly a next gen version of GoW. His response to this question would be fascinating.

3.

Will he ever consider developing a franchise shooter since he loves Gears so much? He'd obviously give us his own take of Gears/Metal/CoD etc which would be a truly awesome game. Also, franchise shooters are major income earners.

4.

Since he has a Wii, what's his feeling about the future of controllers - the wiimote/nunchucks or not - with more interactive gameplay and for shooters. Pros/cons.

C'mon guys, you have opportunity to interview talented developers like Jaffe and you ask the same lame sort of questions.

Oner5614d ago

Wow Jaffe knows his games...Out of this World & Flashback are ABSOLUTELY awesome games that I could never get enough of on my Genesis & SNES. Classic. Seriously classic titles right there. Hope they do a 3rd one but by todays standards! Every time I see some website having a contest of something along the lines of "Name your NextGen title" I always post those 2 first...Jaffe, make it happen.

Bnet3435614d ago

Nice, he liked Gears 2. It's a good game.

Rock Bottom5614d ago

Haha, now that's what I call a nice list, the guy know what to play, also, I've played them all. :D

Blademask5614d ago (Edited 5614d ago )

Yet, Kotaku isn't correcting their end. LOLZ. 'buh buh theres no muh muh media bias'

At this point, they are just writing whatever they want, based off of absolutely nothing.

SaberEdge5614d ago

At least Jaffe has good taste (not to mention being an awesome game developer), Gears of War 2 is an amazing game.

People who say that is only a small improvement over the first one simply don't know what they are talking about. Gears 2 is so much better than the first one in nearly every way. The graphics are better, the gameplay is better, the narrative is better, the achievement system is better (in fact, the best implemented achievement system I have ever seen). I love Gears 2, just like Jaffe does.

Bathyj5614d ago (Edited 5614d ago )

God, this is why I wouldn't break in traffic for you Xbrats. Look at you jumpimg on this like a fly on a turd.

It might surprise you that most of us a gamers and have no problem giving credit to a "competitors" game. GROW THE F*K UP!

Its OK for a Sony Dev to like an Xbox game because Sony want free thinking artists, not mindless shill robots that run on Windows. I guess thats why Shane Kim and Greenberg tall so much crap, they keep bluescreening.

And someone show me a link where he said it was the best game. He said it had the best graphics, which I dont agree with but still respect his right to his own opinion.

I was hoping things might be different this year, I dont know why, I was just hoping.

PS
Wasn't the animation in Flaskback incredible for its time. It still holds up well. I almost want to dig it out of the cupboard but I have to much else to play right now.

Adversary5614d ago (Edited 5614d ago )

He and 1 other guy run "Eat. Sleep. Play." Jaffe hasn't worked directly for Sony in years.

Edit: Also, you're an idiot.

ape0075613d ago (Edited 5613d ago )

is simply amazing

pure awesomeness

any gamer must play it

throw your fanboyism away

gears 2,R2,mgs4,sr2,gta4,,bioshock(h ave both versions)uncharted,cod:waw,war hawk and soon..........KILLZONE 2

they are all my games,my consoles,I love them,can't live without ps3 or 360,I enjoy them all,fanboys are losers and they lose so much awesome games,can't get it

that's it,there's no way anyone can spin that

Graphics Whore5613d ago

Gawker: MAKE IT SNAPPIER

KOTAKU: WE CAN'T WE'RE GONNA LOSE MORE FAN BASE THAN WE ALREADY HAVE

*GAWKER SLAPS KOTAKU IN THE FACE WITH A MILLION DOLLAR BILL THAT DOESN'T THEORETICALLY EXIST*

KOTAKU: We like to spin for fun anyway.

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The Judderman5614d ago

Thing is he's probably right.

happyface5614d ago

wtf is wrong with you

Jaffe is a sony dev, he's supposed to support sony exclusives and say resistance is the best game of 2008 (or little planet)

Gue15614d ago

We already have a lot of biased people on the industry, it is kinda cool to finally hear an honest opinion that's not a fanboy or simply more BS from people that know heck about video games.

happyface5614d ago

screw honesty

if your a real sony fan its your duty to hype up all your exclusives and say they're all game of the year

jaffe should be talking about KILLZONE 2 and not giving free publicity to MS by saying Gears 2 is the greatest

thebudgetgamer5614d ago

and what does that mean if you are a real sony fan? so if you are a sony fan you have to hate all things 360?

:)

Gamingisfornerds5614d ago

Happyface is being extremely sarcastic here. Obviously is taking a spin on the typical Sony fanboy here on N4G.

As for Jaffe's comments. Who really cares. I know I loved Gears2 and I don't need any confirmation from good ole Jaffe.

SaberEdge5614d ago

Same here. Gears 2 was one of the best gaming experience I have ever had. But it is nice to see that other people are enjoying it as well. Especially developers as talented as Jaffe.

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tplarkin75614d ago

David Jaffe's opinion is worthless. What's he working on now? Calling all Cars 2?

doG_beLIEfs5614d ago

He is working on several projects, one of them you might have heard about......TWISTED METAL.

tplarkin75614d ago

Twisted Metal is a port of a PSP to the PS2. Why did Jaffe "quit" working on God of War? (My guess is that he is a lazy guy that had very little to do with actual work on GoW. So the team let him go.)

Marceles5614d ago

He left Sony to start his own company in which he signed a multi-year deal with Sony to make games exclusively for Playstation. He's still working for Sony he just has his own studio now...kinda like the Mistwalker deal with Microsoft Game Studios. You do know Twisted Metal started on PS1 right?

EastCoastSB5614d ago

I didn't know that the PSP was around with the launch of the PS1...when Twisted Metal first came out.

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Eiffel5614d ago

Why is it always the two below?

Gears of War 2 vs Everything.

Gears of War 2 vs a game not even in the same genre.

Seriously..what the fu*k.

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JL2930190d ago

Both requels over 2 and 3? Clowns. Those are two of the most boring games I've ever played.

Snookies12190d ago

GoW 3 was amazing, but I personally hated just one thing. (This is on me alone, because I was dumb, lol.) I hated that you couldn't skip cutscenes on repeat playthroughs. I had to go back through the game a third time because I missed one trophy accidentally on my way to the platinum... The cutscenes were great the first go round, even the second... But the third was pretty agonizing.

Haven't played Ragnarok, but I still think GoW 4 is a wonderful game in its own right. Not sure how I would stack them up against each other honestly.

Monstieur190d ago (Edited 190d ago )

I don't consider the reboot part of the original series. The original series were high-skill games with combos and rewards for mixing things up.

solideagle189d ago

lol square, square and triangle is the only combo you needed. I have played all of them on the hardest difficulties...

Golfcoachh190d ago

Maybe I’m just old school but I just couldn’t get into the last two. Maybe it’s the slower action and more story telling but the original trilogy was by far my favorite.

Crows90190d ago

It's not that youre old school. They're different genres

JL2930188d ago (Edited 188d ago )

Me either, at all. It's just yap yap yap. They try to be a RPG's instead of being action games like they used to be.

Fluke_Skywalker189d ago

I'd put the two psp games over 3 in terms of story any day. But not over 2.

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TheEnigma313190d ago (Edited 190d ago )

My favorite was part 2 and I think Ragnarok is better that 2018.

Shane Kim190d ago

The newer games are better imo.

ravens52190d ago

There is no worst. Except for Ascension, only cause I didn't play it lol. They are all masterpieces. 1,2,3, 2018 and Ragnarok. 1 of, if not the greatest video game franchise...besides MetalGear.

Snookies12190d ago

Oh wow, I actually forgot that Ascension even existed... I never played it either.

Crows90190d ago

I like ascension. It was different and some interesting combat additions.

darthv72190d ago

If you didnt play it, how could you call it the worst? Its not as bad as the media portrayed it. Honestly the worst are those flash games. they arent even considered true GoW games but in name only. At least Ascension is a real GoW game.

ravens52189d ago

Not saying it's a terrible game. Just mean it's at the bottom of my list. I played a little bit of it. Jus to me, compared to the other main games, it's last.

Fluke_Skywalker189d ago

Ascension is the only GOW game I never finished. Hated it.

Inverno190d ago

Can't agree, older games do so much more than the last two. More weapons, magic abilities, enemies are more varied, level design is also more aesthetically pleasing, and agree with those who say that they shouldn't have removed jumping. Was a time I'd agree, but those old games are so so much better, that they really should've looked into bringing into the reboot/sequels.

Crows90190d ago (Edited 190d ago )

If a game is good then a game is good. Doesn't matter what came before or what comes after.

Inverno189d ago

Of course it matters. If not for what what came before there wouldn't be an after. And if something is great before then you strive to make it just as good if not better, after. I personally don't think there's a fair way to judge the new with the old because the newer games are still essentially a reboot, and went a way different direction. But I still believe the old games did it better. I'm probably bias though since I've been going back to old games and have been finding that they lack all the annoying aspects that devs have shoehorned into new games to fluff out game time.

Crows90189d ago

@Inverno

Im not talking about the passage of time here. Im talking about individual pieces of software. If a game is good then it is good. Thats not a controversial statement. You can compare good with good...sure. But you still end up with good. Now if there is a bad game in the mix and you compare you do end up with some differentials between them...makes sense to compare and see where it went wrong.

But theyre different genres and styles which were individually executed very well.

And no. The new games are not a reboot. Theyre a new direction but simply a continuation.
Tomb raider was a reboot.

Inverno188d ago

The new games are definitely a reboot, and a continuation, it can be both which it is. And a good game might be good, but my point is that if there are things done better before it then there's plenty of room for critiquing and trying to make whatever comes after better rather than just good.

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purple101351d ago

Haha I still remember my brother playing the opening scene on ps3!!!

Yeh he had to put the controller down his heart was beating too fast trying to get past first 10 minutes. He said "it's too much". Best thing I've ever seen in gaming. Haha

robtion351d ago

A great game from an era before things went politically correct and gaming turned serious/'mature'.

It certainly wasn't concerned about upsetting or offending anyone and was more fun because of it.

The boss battles and set pieces still top most games released today.

SullysCigar351d ago

This game was absurdly good for it's time. The very definition of 'epic'.

robtion351d ago

Yes. The graphics were just ridiculous compared to most other games on the market at the time.

masterfox351d ago

I wished Ascension had the same treatment.

Heavenly King351d ago

Ascension SP had some things better than GOW3, and also some things worst than GOW3. But in general it was a really good game, for me it also deserves a REMASTER. The problem per se with the game is that most people were satisfied on how GOWIII ended, so Kratos got his revenge, so in order to rise the interest in the game how have to make it MORE EPIC is that the game did not had the epicness of fighting huge bosses (I guess due to technical difficulties,the game had actually a lot more colors (because the world is not dying like in GOWIII) so it is graphically more demanding that is my guess), but it compensated with having in general a more complex combat system, and an amazing soundtrack. but in general the game needed to be more epic than GOWIII somehow, and that did not happened, after GOWIII people had expectations through the roof. They should have waited and release it for PS4 so the vision of the game is not compromised.

My list of good and bad compared to GOWIII

GOOD: THE COMBAT
The combat was more elaborated, which allows you to be more immersed in the fights. Also every enemy was more resistant, even those that you could usually kill in 2-3 attacks in previous games. THE LAST BOSS is so damn epic!!!, but there is only one moment like this in the whole game.

GOOD: LESS QTEs
I love the fact that "cicle" in the new enemies (killing animations) are not QTEs, in Ascension they are mini-games on their own, depending on the enemy, making it more engaging. You had to dodge and hit when the window was open in order to eventually do the killing blow.

GOOD: The Soundtrack
it has the orginal trilogy musics, but with a new perspective since the game had a new composer. The ST was amazing also the new music written specifically for this game were badass

GOOD: The puzzles actually require you to think.

BAD: There are bad camera angles during the game, like zooming way too out of vista, and then swarming you with "light units" that like I said before had better AI and did not die of 2 attacks. those parts a few, but are a mess.

BAD: EMPTY ARENAS
Other thing that really annoyed me is that when you fight a sub-boss/heavy unit in a big arena; that ARENA WAS EMPTY, it was just you and against the medusa, or against the manticore. They should have zoom in into the action to avoid noticing the void scenario. I guess emptiness was because of the game having a lot more colors (because the world is not dying like in GOWIII) so it is graphically more demanding. My guess is that it was not possible technically, since in most of those cases you had huge vistas or intricate scenarios that needed to be rendered. The fact that the cerberus is smaller in this game disappointed me.

BAD: Only one BADASS EPIC moment, the others moments of the game were great but, they needed to set the bar even higher than GOWIII and they failed miserably.

BAD: The graphics did not improved much. I was GOWIII with more colors, and that's it.

So 4 good things against 4 bad ones. The problem is those 2 last BAD aspects are actually why the game was received so poorly. Everyone expects the next game to have a really BIG improvement in all aspects in contrast to the previous one, and that was not the case in ascension. And also GOW is the definition of EPIC, and that was not there neither. The jump on every aspect from GOWI to GOWII was huge being on the same console, and the jump from GOWII to GOWIII was humongous (obviously because a more powerful console). While the jump from GOWIII to Ascension is too little, and people expected more.

On it's own is a good game; but is not sufficient when GOWIII was released before it.

CrimsonWing69351d ago

I know this is unpopular opinion, but I prefer these over the new ones. I’m not saying the new ones are bad or anything, but they sort of get boring to me, whereas the older games were like non-stop roller coaster rides.

ChiefofLoliPolice351d ago

I love the new ones but I understand what you mean. The older ones had more action and was more arcady like.

MIDGETonSTILTS17351d ago

Ragnarok was not BIG at all… GoW1 had larger set pieces, and it was on ps2.

GoW 2018 had big moments in its own way…. Ragnarok abandoned these aspects though

robtion351d ago

I agree. It was just less serious and more fun.

victorMaje351d ago

One of my all time favourites.

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