Why the return of 30fps console games is inevitable

Future games will be more ambitious - and they can't all run at 60fps.

[XbladeTeddy]

This is certainly going to be a contentious issue. While I love the smoothness of 60 I've still been enjoying games at 40 (which is suprisingly smooth) and recently played and enjoyed Metro: Exodus at 30 on my Steam Deck. I know this sounds like blasphemy to say it but if it's not a competitive shooter not being played at 60+ isn't as bad as it sounds.

Cue the hate lol.

[EvertonFC]

I don't even look if a game is 30 or 60 FPS, I just play the games lol.
I play on resolution settings on ps5 over performance so I'm assuming I still play @30fps and my experiences with returnal, rachet, sackboy, HFW, gt7 etc have been awesome.
I'm sure some gamers go into playing games over analyzing things rather than just enjoying the games?

[darthv72]

Since im getting older, I know my eyes arent as good as they used to be. So why waste the quality mode... i choose performance now where available.

[Bathory666]

It’s about quality n performance. Your probably using a really cheap tv. There’s a difference in competitive gaming fighters shooters where 60-120fps make or break the game. Seeing what your playing, those games are not high responsive framerate games. No one’s using VRR for sackboy. Get real.

[Master-Tonberry]

No hate, but you have managed to dodge around the main issue somewhat.

40 as you say is a vast improvement over 30fps and is a reasonable compromise, and 30fps on the SteamDeck is indeed a decent experience but that's due almost entirely to the small screen.
The main problem is 30fps on a large screen which is for many (including myself) an unpleasant experience.

[ABizzel1]

One correction the screen size has less to do with it, but display type / software / refresh rate can. While 30fps isn't ideal it doesn't fell bad as long as a game has a locked 30fps, proper frame pacing, well-managed latency, a proper sense of speed, and good motion blur.

The issues happen when more than one of these isn't right, and something just feels noticeably off.

Constantly dropping frames causes frame time spikes, screen-tearing, and stutter.
Bad frame pacing causes random stutters (Souls Games)
Bad latency makes controls feel sluggish and unresponsive
A bad sense of speed makes a game look off, and the 30fps is more noticeable
And bad motion blur or a lack thereof makes animation and motion more choppy

The introduction of 40fps modes is going to be a well-welcomed improvement for AAA games, that just can't stick to 60fps.

[abstractel]

I love the 45fps mode in Horizon, perfect compromise to me, but how many people own a display that supports VRR? If you game on a monitor y]ou're fine, but a lot of TVs don't support VRR so developers have to take that into consideration.

I've had this discussion with co-workers in development and hardcore gamer friends, and opinions vary. Part of the problem is that because we've been cross-gen for two years we're used to the 60fps option. Are gamers going to be willing to go back to 30fps? I hope so personally (for the right games) but we'll see.

R&C is one of the few PS5 exclusives and it looked next-gen/new-gen, and they were able to put in a 60fps mode. Insomniac also stated that it was just the tip of the iceberg of what the PS5 can handle from their point of view so we'll see as soon as we get some Spider-man 2 and Wolverine footage... Epic is also working hard on upgrading FSR and other systems to get 60fps running on PS5 and Xbox Series X (not likely for Series S though) so we'll see.

[Eonjay]

Nearly all of the games released this gen have supported 60 FPS. I really don't see why it needs to be contentious. Also this article states that a return to 30 is inevitable... But even now we are seeing devs moves on to 40 FPS when possible. What is inevitable are more devs going the WWS route and give 30, 40, 60 and 120 modes with VRR to boot the problem at the offset is building all of those modes into 3 different next gen platforms. That gotta be a lot of work.

[Neonridr]

problem is as games get more ambitious, the hardware can't quite keep up. Sure they are doing a good job now but how many true next gen games have we had? We are still living in a cross generation world right now where games are being designed for the lesser systems.

[Neonridr]

playing at 30 is tolerable, however once you start consistently playing at 60+ it's hard to go back. I have the luxury of having a pretty beefy PC along with my consoles, so it's sad being able to play games there at 4k/60+ fps only to have to possibly come back to 30fps on my console. That being said, I understand the price I paid for my PC so it's understandable that consoles can't deliver that same level all the time.

[-T9X-69-]

While the first half is true, that doesn't excuse poor optimization and lack of fidelity/performance options. Sure my PS5 can't touch my PC in terms of power and performance. However, those options have been industry standard for next-gen.....errr current-gen. They can absolutely offer native/checkerboard 4K @ 30, or 2K @ 60. The same way we can alter our PC settings to match our hardware, the devs can do the same thing prior to shipping a product. Most importantly, optimize those settings for a locked 30 and at the very least, variable 60.

Maybe a few years down the road, that 2K 60 might be harder to achieve without implementation of things like checkerboard 2K. At least the option would be there though. There just haven't been a lot of true "next-gen" games to even start with the "consoles aren't powerful enough".

WB trying to justify their lack of options for Gotham Knight is just laughable. Oh it's CPU limiting due to the huge open world with un-tethered co-op. Yet even with a 3080+i7 10700k, I can't get a solid 60FPS on ANY settings even in SP, let alone co-op. I truly feel sorry for anyone who was really looking forward to this game and got it on consoles. As gamers, we've been fed (mostly 3rd party) unoptimized shovelware for far too long. Cross gen titles being canceled and moving to current gen only and still running like garbage is just unacceptable.

[andy85]

You're right. Before I would have turned my nose up at 40 but it's very playable and the exact middle point between 30 and 60 fps. If they do start to push the consoles hard I'd hope the 30 fps ones do have a 40 fps mode. Although I'd hope they just have a lower res option at 60 instead

[seanpitt23]

That’s why ps5 pro next year will give the extra power for 60fps

[Neonridr]

could you imagine if they tried to pull that? People can't even get a PS5 and then along comes a Pro model, lol

[andy85]

It wouldn't surprise me to be honest. But bringing out pro model would free up the regular PS5 for others. Although by the time that would be out there will be no stock issues anyway.

[shinoff2183]

I agree xbladeteddy.

I think 30 is fine. 60 is nice and I wont complain I also wont complain about 30. To much stock gets put into frames per second I swear

[zeuanimals]

Smooth frame pacing is the most important thing and plenty of devs keep missing this mark.

[BioShockGX]

Just because your standards are low doesn't mean everyone is. Give me 60fps or no buy.

[Fritzwochel]

Devs get lazier and lazier when it comes to optimisations.. Except for a wee few Switch devs.

[SeTTriP]

Has nothing to do with laziness and everything resolution.

Devs want they're games to be showed of and console are not p.c as it can't brute force results.

[onisama]

some are lazy like WB with gotham knights but game like plague tales is too beautiful and graphically demanding and in the future games will be more demanding its always been like this...last gen games started with 1080p game release and ended with 720p and 900p upscaled to 1080p
or was that xbox360/ps3? i dont remember time pass fast

[EvertonFC]

It certainly wasn't last gen lol although I think some Xbox one games were 900p twds the end ?

[StarkR3ality]

@everton

Both consoles dropped below 1080p, became more prevelant as the gen went on and DRS was introduced in more games to avoid frame drops. Pretty sure some (mainly on Xbox but PS4 too) dropped to 720p, that's why most last gen games look like you're staring through plastic film on a large 4K display.

[CantThinkOfAUsername]

Gamers get stupider and stupider when it comes to game development.. Except for a wee few who follow devs.

[The3faces]

I know I'm in the minority but I prefer 30fps with all the graphical bells and whistles.

[MrNinosan]

Same, always go for Fidelity before Performance, mainly because my TV is so huge that I want to get the best pixelcounts as possible.

[obidanshinobi]

A lot of 30fps games look worse the bigger screen you have though.
Horizon FW for example is awful at 30fps on a 50" TV, yet smooth as butter at 60fps.

[CS7]

I played Horizon at 30 fps on a 55” TV and loved every second

[gold_drake]

i honestly just want a game that works without any major bugs.

[Nismo458]

Same

[CS7]

Me too. Regardless of the FPS i stop noticing it after 5-10 minutes of play. Whereas, bad graphics or resolution I notice it the entire time.

[Eidolon]

Depends, idk if it's my C7 OLED, or bad optimizations/frame-pacing but some games just don't look good at 30fps. Spiderman: MM played GREAT at 30fps(at least I think it wasn't 40fps, never changed a thing since I got it pre-40fps patch, C7 doesn't have VRR), and actually Rift Apart was more noticeable at 30fps than MM. Dying Light 2 was unplayable af to me at 30fps, and so was HFW and Ghost Wire Tokyo. Demon's Souls was pretty good at 30fps for sure. Few other games I can't think of right now. But really depends on the game, and not necessarily First-person or third-person.

[BioShockGX]

Comments like yours is why devs will keep making 30fps games

[angelsx]

I'm not buying any 30fps games for ps5 xbox x any more.

[MrVux000]

As always vote with your wallet. That is the best way to push a standards in the industry.

[IMissJimRyan]

You will.

[shinoff2183]

You probably gonna miss out on some great games guy

[preciousdeath]

This probably won't age well.

[CS7]

Plagues Tale looks so good and its from a small developer.

Better than alot of those cross gen games from much bigger studios.

[dazzysima]

No excuse for this. There's no reason why there can't be a 1080p or 1440p option without the likes of RT so a 60fps target can be hit.

[lucian229]

Who wants to play 1080p? Lmao I rather 4k and beauty than 60fps any day.

I always choose graphics over frame rate

[MrVux000]

I'd rather take a supersampled 1080p with 60 FPS rather than checkerboard 4K with 30 FPS.

Also ''who wants to play 1080p?''

You do realize majority of people play on 1080p-1440p monitors/TVs?

[Yui_Suzumiya]

I play mostly in 720p though, lol .. Still getting used to 1080p.

[BlaqMagiq1]

I will never choose graphics over frame rate. Graphics do not affect gameplay, frame rate does.

Give me silky smooth 60fps over overrated 4K any day.

[SurgicalMenace]

As do I, fidelity is paramount. All these people sounding off about fps are only doing so because it's become a topic of discussion, recently.

[thecodingart]

Honestly, I’m confounded on people who still want < 4k resolution for 60fps…

[Profchaos]

Why not give people options.
With the rise of vrr a 40 fps game for some means it's not really 40 more like 80

[PhillyDillyDee]

They can if 60 is a priority. So long as ray tracing can be disabled i dont see why this cant be the standard.

[lucian229]

If they have too many things going on then it can't. Depends, ofcourse they can do it but if the gaming experience they aim for heads more towards fun and lots of stuff on screen then 30fps is fine.

I don't even see what's wrong with 30fps, it doesn't even look or feel bad. I normally just put on fidelity mode over performance.

[Ashunderfire86]

Well 30 FPS feel bad on my 4KTV when I was playing Demon Souls, so I literally had to put it in Performance Mode. Even with Spiderman PS4 when playing it on PS5 wasn’t smooth on 30FPS, but for some odd reason the PS4 version ran a smoother 30FPS😕 Maybe it’s me but I find it weird. Maybe it has to do with the fact that it has 2 modes one for fidelity and the other performance.

[obidanshinobi]

@ Ashunderfire86
This.
Having recently upgraded from a 37" LG TV to a 50" LG TV with VRR, most games at 30fps are awful, almost unplayable.
Horizon FW for example, terrible at 30fps. Yakuza Like a Dragon on Series X, also feels jerky at 30fps.
Zelda BOTW on Swith, RDR2 and Flight Sim on Series X are OK, but everything else just runs like crap.

For big TVs you need 60fps, or 40fps with VRR, otherwise panning the camera around is just too stuttery at 30fps.

[zsquaresoff]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with 30 fps games. Can't believe people making it out as if it is unplayable.

[MrVux000]

It's not that people are implying that 30 FPS is bad, it's that people want more choice on the matter (...) and it should never be scoffed off by saying ''If you really want that, just buy a PC'' because:

1) Consoles will not able to go forward on that regard, if we just sweep the problem under the rug
2) If consoles have performance issues, you can bet top dollar that will impact the PC side of things aswell

So no, there is no problem in preferring and liking 30 FPS, but there is also no problem with expressing the need for 60FPS = CHOICE.

[Master-Tonberry]

It can very well be unplayable depending on your personal tolerance for low frame rates and the display you are using.

I'm very sensitive to judder whether it be games or video, and my TV (Samsung KS8000) is awful at handling 30fps motion.

I'm not exaggerating when I say it's unplayable for me, it's like my eyes are rattling inside my skull when I watch it.

[CS7]

Did you play PS1,PS2,PS3 and PS4 or their equivalents from the competitors?

[CrimsonIdol]

"it's like my eyes are rattling inside my skull when I watch it."
How do you handle going to the movies (24fps)?

[obidanshinobi]

Most 30fps games look crap on big TVs when panning the camera around or moving quickly in an open world game.
If you have a 49" + size TV, 30fps is just no.
Games like Horizon FW and Yakuza LaD at 30fps are rubbish, terrible, great at 60fps though.

You need 60fps for smoother motion over a larger screen, it's as simple as that.

We should be past 30fps. The GPU in the PS5 and Xbox Series X is about the equivalent to a Geforce RTX 2080 (PS5 a bit less so maybe). Try telling a PC gamer with a good CPU and a 2080 to run games at 30fps and they'll tell you to get knotted.
PS5 and Series X are powerful enough that no games should be 30fps. Except for Flight Sim on Xbox but that's just a really demanding game.
It's lazy and untalented devs that will be pushing for 30fps.
60fps no excuses, you will understand if you own a big 4K TV.

[shinoff2183]

@zsquaresoff

I bet if you did an age poll the ones complaining are teens to mid 20s, the ones like myself who dont think 30 or 60 fps is a big deal are older. Its definitely an age thing. Older gamers have seen some sh.

[MrVux000]

2 years into the generation:
1 AA developer does a shoddy optimisation for their game on ALL platforms (which will likely get a 60 FPS patch later on)

''OMG guys 60 FPS was just a dream...''

Even Gotham Knights (if you want to play that mess at any FPS) will be getting a 60 FPS.

There might come a time where FPS and or resolution will have to be sacrificed, but its still too early to tell if that will be the case.

Just look at the Playstation 2, a console that did indeed see a fall of 60 FPS games at its last chapters of its generation, but majority of them remained 60 FPS by its end (...) and still remains the console with most 60FPS titles.

Will PS5 beat that? Again, i dont have a crystal ball (...) and Eurogamer (DF) certainly does not have one (...) especially when you take into consideration their track-record in predictions.

tl:dr still too early to spell doom-and-gloom on 60 FPS future.

[Sgt_Slaughter]

I can't believe this is still on going. After every advancement in technology we've had in gaming since the early 00s, we still can't get every game at 60 FPS. That's pathetic.

It should be the default by this point. 4K isn't the norm and it never will be, so stop trying to make every tree branch and every field of grass ultra realistic then capping the game at 30 FPS.

[MrVux000]

''It should be the default by this point. 4K isn't the norm and it never will be''

Never say never. That is all i am gonna say on that matter.

[CS7]

I prefer realistic tree branches than blurry 60fps.

4k, 30 max graphics every day for me.

Plague Tale looks more next gen than 95% of PS4/PS5 60 fps games.

[P_Bomb]

I’ve had the opposite experience. Smooth frames make the visuals better for me due to less judder and hitches when panning. It’s the difference between feeling like you’re playing something optimized vs a technical hiccup.

[BioShockGX]

Did you even play plague on ps5? It hurts my eyes with that 30fps

[CS7]

@Bioshock.

Yes it looks amazing.

Question: what did you do when the most games on ps4 was 30 fps. Did it hurt your eyes then too?

[senorfartcushion]

I have stayed on 30 for this reason.

If a game offers 1080p and more details while being 60, I’ll change to that, but only for the addition graphical details; not for the fps boost.

[Tzuno]

If consoles were made for native 2k, 60fps would be achievable almost every time, 4k breaks any future hopes since games are getting more and more demanding on the same fixed hardware.

[EvertonFC]

Agreed and when hardware can do most games at 60fps 8k comes along resulting in the same problem as the previous gen.
It's just goes full circle lol.

[Eonjay]

"games are getting more and more demanding".
This is an illusion. From what I have observed the issue is the fact that very few devs are making games that fully target the true console feature set. This takes years unfortunately but by the end of this gen PS5 and Xbox SX will be putting their current PC equivalent video cards to shame.

[Yui_Suzumiya]

I play most games on Switch OLED in handheld mode so it doesn't matter to me, lol. My laptop is used strictly for eroge (adult visual novels for you westerners that don't know the terminology.) I also have a PS3 and PS4 but don't use them as much. Mostly play visual novels and FPS's over the past year and a half. Some horror and JRPG titles too. When I do get an Xbox Series X or PS5 I'd hope most games run in 60fps though.

[Master-Tonberry]

40 I can just about live with but 30fps is completely unacceptable on anything other than handheld devices (30 doesn't look too bad on the SteamDeck's small screen).

PC hardware is starting to push towards high frame rates of 120fps+ being the norm and most modern displays have 120hz or more capability.

If we are truly going to return to 30fps on console then it's already time for "Pro" versions.

[Number1TailzFan]

Yeah, playing any kind of first person shooter is ultra smooth at 120+fps, I actually feel and see the difference if it dips into the 60's-70's. 90+ is amazingly smooth.

Have been gaming at 120Hz since 2012 and plan to keep it that way on PC. Console like Nintendo is fine for party games like Mario Party and other exclusives, PC for everything else.

[jznrpg]

Series S has almost everything to do with it for Multiplats . I don’t mind 30 fps if it is pushed to the limits of detail. But I do mind a supposedly next gen console that has to have 720p res with 30 fps and less detail because it’s so weak and devs have to accommodate for that on Xbox and multiplats . Hopefully if devs are having issues with S they just skip xbox and make the game they want to if Ms won’t let up on their requirement . MS should make it optional or they will lose some games and rightfully so .

[Number1TailzFan]

The "next gen" consoles had Zen 2 CPUs, they weren't the best (vs Intel) to begin with, not far behind mind you.. but right up against being replaced with new gen CPUs on PC as well.

[jznrpg]

But Series S has less Ram and weaker GPU than Xbox One X which is last gen console . That CPU doesn’t air up for it .

[darkrider]

Because of the series s. Nothing more. It's scary watching even DF tryng to do this. The increase in cpu power from last gen to this was about 400%.

It was the biggest jump. Of course some games will happend, but only on some, where studios are... The main problem here is the series s. It is very underpowered. It got problems to run last gen at locked 1080 and 60 frames. It doesn't have more power under the hood.

The same doesn't apply to the series x and ps5. If the games were build only with those consoles in mind...

DF should stop saying lies and go read what was written about the evolution from last gen consoles to this one on cpu power...

The Gotham game is just an excuse... The game got average graphics and doesn't seem next Gen... A weak studio without any quality. Should go back to make simulators. But the ps5 version a the series x version are also bad. Well that should be a huge red flag for DF. Because this game is average. Not setting standards in anything

[AKS]

About 4x raw power, but that's still a conservative estimate given PS5 has a better design with dedicated bits of hardware to more efficiently and capably handle things like sound and I/O. I was honestly shocked at how far they went with the CPUs. Prior to the specs being released I predicted that we would still have a decent amount of 30 fps games because even with a good GPU there is only so far you can go without the CPU power to manage it, but I had to alter my expectations considerably when I saw how much more balanced the CPU and GPU were with the newest consoles. They went from a crappy Jaguar mobile CPU that wasn't great even in 2013 to fairly new Ryzen technology that was being used in PC gaming. Until I upgraded my 2700x to the 5800x, the new consoles were using a CPU based on slightly newer technology (albeit toned down for heat/ power reasons) than I had in my gaming PC I built, which was quite a surprise.

[RaiderNation]

No performance mode, no buy! Its that simple for me! Ive been gaming exclusively at 60 and 120fps since this generation started and I am NOT going back to 30! So devs, you can make the "creative" choice to only include fidelity mode but you will not get my dollars!

[Fonsecap]

Of course it is inevitable, Sony and MS need to have a reason to sell the pro versions, but if ps5 and xbx only handle new games at 30fps, how xbs will handle these new games though?

[lonewolf10]

30fps at lower resolution and detail, like how PC's do it between low end and top end rigs. Seems devs are not scaling to diff hardware on consoles.

[repsahj]

I prefer 60 fps, so why return to 30? I hope other devs don't follow this trend.

[Crows90]

Oh wow. Why is this news? This was obviously going to happen. Common sense rules people! Go get some!

And this isn't about whether you enjoy 60 or 30....60fps is objectively better. This is about hardware limitations and optimization.

[Number1TailzFan]

And 90+fps is even better! Console lovers say the same thing every gen that they are beasts, they may punch a bit above their weight through optimization but not by a large margin, end of the day they are still closed boxes with no upgrades and start with weaker mid level PC hardware.

[CS7]

60 fps isn’t better.

Any game running at 60/4k can add more graphical detail and complexity to the game and run at 30fps.

It comes down to do you prefer the maximum graphical quality out of your console or do you want lower graphics with more frames.

Until the day the we have perfectly photorealistic games I would choose 30 fps with higher graphics every single day.

[Bnet343]

Why not just add performance modes ... ? Sometimes you can't tell the difference because you sit far away enough from your TV/monitor. Just give console gamers that choice. I'll probably go the PC route if the game does not offer such options.

[CS7]

Its not just the flick of a switch like you imagine.

Alot of optimization and dev time is required.

[DarthZoolu]

Developers making 30 fps games is none of my business! My console also doesn’t want to get involved.

[Petebloodyonion]

I'm sorry but nope, a 60 FPS mode must be made for the simple concept that's basically been the selling point and existence of these new consoles.
Surely ppl would not forget how the industry was selling 4K resolution at 60 FPS, raytracing, and 0 loadings as the basic Standard for premium consoles (Serie X and PS5).

Now I can understand that some games can't hit 4K/60 FPS with all bells and whistles but just like computer games, the option to reduce graphics fidelity in order to improve performance should be a mandatory feature.

Also, DF clearly pointed out that the issue with games like Gotham knight isn't the GPU but a bottleneck created around the main CPU resources allocation ( probably due to the fact that the game was initially supposed to be released on PS4/Xbox1).

And let's not forget that this article state that reducing resolution wouldn't help with getting better performance due to devs wanting to use all the new features of the Unreal 5 engine yet totally make an abstraction that the current Matrix demo proves otherwise by running perfectly on Serie S with all bells and whistle with the exact same stable frame as the PS5/SX version yet at a lower resolution.

[lellkay]

it's really really simple. Just give your players the choice to dial down settings for a 60fps experience if that is their choice. PC games have had these options forever.

[SoulWarrior]

I don't really agree, we have games like Ratchet, Horizon (may be cross gen but the PS5 version is stunning), Demons Souls that can run at 60fps and look gorgeous, 2 poorly optimised games across all platforms is hardly an indication we're gonna suddenly return to sluggish 30fps with heavy motion blur.

[Kados]

That means they are too ambitious for the hardware they are being made for. It is bad game design from crappy devs who have their priorities messed up. No point in looking pretty if it plays like garbage.

[MIDGETonSTILTS17]

Don’t we want to see the hardware pushed?

[Binarycode]

It's up to the DEV to choose and give options.

I don't think the newer consoles have been used much at all.

Most engines are cross-gen, using old code and just getting slight updates. Rez and some textures.

Other then Ray-tracing. I'm not seeing where this massive change is coming.

Also really depends on what type of engine it's running on.

But you can always drop the Rez and upscale to get 60fps, 120fps is just PR.

[StarkR3ality]

I don't mind 30fps, I will say however since getting an OLED, due to the instant response time lower frame rates are much harder to deal with.

40 is a perfect sweet spot and I'm glad more and more games support it. 40fps is bang on in between 30 and 60 in frame time which is why it's a good compromise.

[myfathersbastard]

I personally have zero issue with games running at 30fps. AS LONG as they’re single player and it’s LOCKED 30fps.
But as soon as you get into multiplayer they NEED to be at 60.
Having said that, I want games to look fantastic AND be 60fps. But, not all games can get that on console. So it is what it is. Insomniacs Spider-Man games did a great job at offering multiple modes with different settings. More games need to implement like that.

[antikbaka]

What's next? 720p?

[UncertainCategory]

Others are saying this, but just to add to the pile. I think 40fps is a good compromise, it feels much more responsive, and you get all the visual fidelity.

I obviously prefer 60, but I can play a game just fine at 40.

Not going back to 30 though, it's horrible.

[SatanSki]

Inevitable or not, i will never touch 30fps game again.

[GhostTurtle]

Bc theyre not master race, duh

[Elda]

I love for my games to look sharp,prestine,clear & if I have to play it at 30fps to get the best resolution possible I have no problem with that. For me I have enjoyed many games playing at 30fps.

[XboxSwitchPS5Gamer]

Don't care about it. I just want damn great games. I just hate when devs/pubs release their games with broken or ton of bugs or came / come with microstractions!!!

[Flewid638]

There are poorly optimized console games just like there are poorly optimized PC games. Not every developer is GOOD at developing.

Tbh, I run into more optimization problems on PC ports.

[Firebird360]

I'm personally not interested in going backwards in performance.
Theres no logical reason why we can't always from here on, favor a games performance over resolution.
60fps should be the minimum acceptable frame rate across the board.
By the time games tax the hardware enough, we'll see a ps5 pro and a xsx pro.
So why settle for 30fps. Its garbage, everyone knows it.

[CS7]

Nah I like 30. Better graphics.

[RaiderNation]

The difference in graphical quality from performance to fidelity mode is way smaller than the difference in smooth frames from fidelity to performance though.

[XxINFERNUSxX]

Always one step forward but two or more steps backwards 🤣🤣

[Father__Merrin]

This game looks good but could have been developed for 60fps easily

[got_dam]

If thirty is going to be common then the games should be visually NEXT GEN. Gotham knights has no reason to be a 30fps game.

[chicken_in_the_corn]

Wasn't long ago the community was against anything higher than 30 because of "nostalgia."

I don't mind 30 though. The weightier feel suits some games better like GTA V and RDR2.

[masterfox]

we reach a point that the consoles are powerful enough to have insane visuals and a locked 60 fps at minimum, and this is the perfect example what Im trying to say:

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

hell I can run at full HD Arkham Knight, almost all settings at max, running with effing old 1060 gtx 6 GB at almost 60 fps all the freaking time, so saying 30 fps are coming back is just a bunch BS, if this is happening to console games (mostly multiplatform) is just because the lower common denominator fault, the Xbox S and the swotch , developers need to create something that is able to run on these low spec things, so in the end multiplatform games are the ones mostly screwed lol, for me I only care for Playstation Exclusives more than ever now, hell!!, Ragnarok while looking more impressive than ever will be able to run at 120 fps.

[MADGameR]

Because the mid gen refresh consoles are coming. PS5 PRO LETS GO!

[frostypants]

Yes, they CAN. Crappy low end PCs can play new games at 60fps. It's called "sliders". Give them to console versions of games too. Let us control whether we want 60fps at lower detail or 30fps at high.

[isarai]

Just give options 🤷‍♂️ i dont mind 30fps on slower games in exchange for better visuals, and like the option for 60fps for action based games. Sony's 40fps in between honestly is a very sweet compromise IMO, playing through U4 again after the latest update with 40fps and VRR at native 4k was a huge refresher on the game, and i platinumed it back on PS4

[redrum06]

Call me spoiled, but I can’t get back to anything below 40 fps. For me personally, higher framerate definitely adds to the experience, and I somehow can’t stand 30 FPS anymore.

[KINGS47]

Give me a steady 30 - 45 frames with 4k Ray Tracing goodness. Simple.

[Kosic]

These articles are rubbish when it comes to titles.
Games will become 30fps.... they pick Arkham Knights which everyone knows is poorly optimised, then they go and make a comment such as
"To put it brutally, Gotham Knights' 30fps nature on consoles appears to be down to the authorship of the game as opposed to the raw capabilities of the hardware"

For Tales, I've not played it or read into it, so I do not know much about it. But if games such as the last of us can run at 60fps on older hardware, devs could spend a little more time optimising their games.

Also what would you want, stunning graphics to the max and 30fps, or cut back 20% of that to hit 60fps.

Sometimes, to much beauty can be over kill. Especially when it risks performance, as mentioned in the article even the Ps5 drops below 30FPS on plague tales. Something there is not right.