EA dev: Get the 360 and/or Wii

Over at FreeRepublic.com, one of the recent discussions is centered on helping a poster figure out which of the three major consoles in the market he should purchase. It's actually all quite mundane enough, that is, until Electronic Arts game dev Andrew Garett voices out what he really thinks would be a good and a not-so-good choice.

Andrew Garett - "Last year, the prediction was that Sony would win the next-gen war, that the PS3 would be the dominant console, just like the PS2 was.

That is no longer the case. The extremely strong performance of the Wii, combined with the miserable performance of Sony has revised pretty much everyone's expectations. Right now, most of us here think the Xbox 360 will be on top for this generation, with the battle for second place between Sony and Nintendo (and that's a major shock, as we'd nearly written Nintendo off for the non-handheld market.) Most of us still think Sony will beat off Nintendo, simply due to the older graphics on the Wii, but it's not a sure thing.

My opinion - get the Xbox 360 and/or the Wii. Skip the PS3 unless there's a big change in the near future."

[eques judicii]

wow... all i have to say is... wow

[MikeMichaels]

....this is a pathetic story.

Look at the source, you fanboys are just being used by crappy "game sites" for hits. Look how many ads and popup's they cram into that page.

...and whats their proof, a photo of a "supposed" email. I'm mean...how could you possibly fake something like that to generate trafficto your site. *rolls eyes*

[Doophis4897]

this all coming from ea!!!

[weekapaugh]

glad he gave the PS3 time, a little under three months is fair to determine a console's success.

[shotty]

Well it is, when the xbox and gamecube launch it was pretty much known that the ps2 would be dominant with the xbox and gamecube being relatively close in sales. The xbox 360 right now has the same strength against the competition that the ps2 had after the xbox and gamecube launched.

[Daver]

what are you talking about.......3 months is way not enough to determine a succes or not... Only thing that makes sony slow is the lack of good games for now but its gonna change in the upcoming year

[CyberSentinel]

I have to respect someone who isn't afraid to state their honest opinion for the record.

[richie007bond]

WOW just as well i wont be getting a ps3 anytime soon if not at all,with the ps3s dire games and outrageous price tag its no wonder devs are jumping this sinking ship

[kamakazi]

and this from EA? their games are getting crappier and crappier as time goes on.

[DoctorJohnson]

In what way is their Burnout series considered crappy? lol Electronic Arts the biggest company in the industry that makes a ton of games every year and you generalize them as one item. I thought that was funny. :D

[ps3high]

I so hope there becomes and ISO loader for the Ps3 i will NOT buy any developers game who keeps saying stuff like this... Developers better hope one doesnt come out because I have no problem stealing from these people...

Come on Maddox...

[DrSpock]

I don't suppose there's ny reason not to at this point. just ook at my comments on the other page, and if you have anything to add, by all means go right ahead, I want input from everyone!

[MikeGdaGod]

if you can afford it, get both ps3 and 360...(Wii is for kids) both systems will have features the other doesn't. i have both and i'm confident that neither is going away anytime soon. again if you can, get both then you won't miss out on anything. forget about the hd-add on.

if you only want one...............wait till fall........get a ps3

[DrSpock]

why should I forget the HD-DVD add-on and get a ps3 instead? Both formats give the same resolutions. I'm not planning on getting a new format anytime soon anyway, when the time comes, I'll just get a hybrid player.

[Aflac]

thats wat happened to me last gen. if ur into tech specs, look up my big analysis on the oblivion forum. it will answer pretty much anything u need t kno bout 360 vs ps3 specs. i always back myself with official sources, not fellow fanboy comments, like wat DJ always does.

[fjtorres]

When are you buying?
Now? Summer? Xmas?
If now, then, unless you really, really want to play Resistance or your primary interest is in a BD player, then your best bet is a 360; a lot more *good* games, great online, and the best graphics in the biz today.
If summer, ditto, plus a likely price cut.

If XMAS, then maybe (just maybe) the PS3 will be back in the game by then. Sony is doing the best they can to patch the system flaws and while some of them are unpatch-able, there is really nothing wrong with PS3 that a 50% price cut and a year or two worth of patches can't fix.

Its all about value.
Value delivered versus value promised.

The problem is, as the EA guy said: *today* there is no reason to buy a PS3. Not unless you're a true believer in the religion of Playstation or a gambler.
Buying a PS3 today is betting that:
1- Sony will someday fix all the problems with the system
2- developers will find a way (at their expense) to make up from the PS3 hardware limitations and deliver next year a product comparable to what 360 has today.

If you want to play today, get a 360; if you can wait, then wait and see if next year things look better.
In a year PS3 might look acceptable.
Or it might not; it might still be more expensive than 360, with fewer games and lesser gaming features.
Its all a gamble.

So, ask yourself *what* is it you want?
Present value or future promises?
With 360 you know what you get.
With Sony, you get...promises...
Sony is real good at promises, though.
Are you ready to bet $600 on their promises?

Peace!

[MikeGdaGod]

the only reason i said forget the hd add-on is because if you get both ps3 and 360 you wont need the add-on

[Doophis4897]

if yur gut instinct is t get the 360 get it, I have both and right now the 360 is far better.

[Aflac]

like, totally. EA is by far the worst game company of all time

[PSN Starfleets]

Regardless of who is saying this; what can't be dismissed as easily is the fact that ever since I can remember the Sony PS3 has been getting negative press and from what I see, the majority of that is deserved.

Or is all of this just a major PR stunt by Microsoft? I doubt it.

I have a 360, but if something special happens with the PS3 - I wouldn't hesitate to purchase one myself on top of my 360 but right now, I just don't see anything worthwhile to invest such a large sum of money.

I'd sincerely rather see all three platforms do exceptionally well and compete viciously for our cash; that would put smiles on ALL our faces. Can I get a hell yea? But all that's happening now is people buying into "potential" or "promises" by Sony - pardon me for being so brutal, but not many people can spend around $600 based on a hunch or a risk. But I want to see some changes because the 360 dominating the market won't be exciting.

[zonetrooper5]

Wait until 2008 when Sony has a price drop for the PS3, thats what i'm doing. When i do get my PS3 i will get MGS4, Killzone 2 and motorstorm. My Xbox 360 is doing me fine and hopefully i will get a Nintendo Wii by summer time.

[ER1X]

Is this what the site is coming too? People posting news articles about what some schmuck at EA says to buy?????? Wow, that's breaking news there! Fanboy crap at it's core. Period.

As for EA, they are one of the worst companies in the business. Anyone saying otherwise doesn't play many of there games. There sports franchises have been on the decline for years. The problem is they have the market dominated and bought out licenses to discourage other developers from making games. Since then they have become lax and overconfident and there products continue to slip. They do absolutely no beta testing of there products. Or, if they do, they just don't care to fix the problems because the bugs and glitches get carried over from year to year. Not to mention the dumbest and least helpful customer support I've ever seen. I buy alot of there games nonetheless, I'm a huge sports fan, and there's little other choice out there. But, they are far from impressive by any stretch.

[Blu-Print]

I posted this because it made me mad at how ridiculous he was being when he said PS3 will be competing with the Wii for 2nd place, which is the most outlandish thing I've heard. In terms of games, how can games like Super Smash Bros. and Wii Motor Sports compete with Heavenly Sword and Motorstorm.

Please don't call me out for posting this because I just wanted to see what other people on this site had to say. I mean it was going to be posted one way or another so I figured I'd just post it. I actually own a PS3 and am anticipating many games coming out this year.

[UrbanJabroni]

Simple, Smash brothers will outsell both games you mentioned. Anyone take a look at Zelda's thrashing of all competitors?

Much like a land war in a Russian winter, NEVER doubt the rabid purchasing of the legions of Nintendo fans. This site may not have them, but anyone who has been to E3 in the last decade can attest to the hours of waiting and the insane hollering at the Nintendo press conferences.

[EasilyTheBest]

Well I think its a good post at least EA have the balls to give an honest opinion.

[HaKeRsCanRotINHEL]

a " proverbial turd in the proverbial punchbowl," is a little harsh.

[xfrgtr]

Ea should listen to EPIC boss view of the PS3,and EA COULD LEARN TO MAKE BETTER GAME FROM EPIC(GOW).
Are you sure Andrew Garrett really exist?Because I couldn't find any information about this so called EA dev,I think this article is a joke.Epic,konami,lair's dev have said great things about ps3,I really think that this article is not legit because this Andrew Garrett does not exist.

[TheMART]

So another game maker is wrong Sony guys?

If he would have said that you should buy the PS3 (+Wii) you would cheer around and have a party.

Be fair. It's not only him saying this. One of the greatest people in games of all times is John Carmack who also is saying the 360 is the best gaming experience in graphics and overall. That guy invented 3D shooting in Doom.

More and more people dare to speak their minds. EA makes sh!t sometimes, other times they put out great games. THis guy sounds pretty legit

[Sexius Maximus]

Valve can't stand the PS3 either. You can't argue with the creators of Half Life.

[TheMART]

Can you give a quote/link from what he says?

Ofcourse people will make games for the PS3 even if they prefer the 360. I mean John Carmack will make games for the PS3 also he already says. But he thinks 360 will have the best games.

[Funky Town_TX]

I like my 360 so the PS3 must suck right? THis guy has his own thoughts on the console. In some points he is right and in others he is wrong. The 360 is the now, but the PS3 could be the future. I game in the now not the future. So when the PS3 catches my eye I will get one. BUT NOW I GAME ON THE 360 the now.

[NextGen24Gamer]

The 360 is clearly the better next gen video game console. And the 8 million consoles sold lead will continue as word of mouth continues to hurt the ps3 and boost the xbox 360's sales. Now that both consoles are out...people can look at the games for both consoles...play if over a friends house, Best Buy, Walmart, Eb games...then make a decision on what they want. Do you want a video game console for the best next gen games? Well the choice is clear. If you want a video game console for HD Movies? Well once again the choice is simple. If you want a video game console to play blu ray discs? Well then get the ps3. The war has been over. All the head to head comparissons favor the 360 and HD dvd. Video game consoles are about exactly that. Video games. There is a reason why most 3rd party developers are in unison with favoring the 360 over the ps3. Its really just common sense. If you are a Sony fan....continue to support your company. Just understand that you will miss out on a whole generation of unbelievable next gen content if you limit yourself to the ps3 only. And it also means you have forgotten what its all suppose to be about. "Games". You can convince yourself all you want that the 360 has no games that interest you. Thats just your fanboyism blocking your common sense. And in that case only "YOU" loose. I have both the 360 and the ps3. I have every game for both systems. Right now its not even close in regards to which system has the best games and performs better in regards to games & graphics. It is what it is. Like it or not. Sony did a good job convincing many stores like walmart or best buy that you could only get a 1080p signal via hdmi. That is a 100% lie. And many of you and store reps believe it. I have tested that theory out and found that componant can carry the 1080p signal and looks fantastic to boot. I have my 360 hooked to my 1080p tv and I switch the dashbord to 1080i on my console. Low and behold when I played games and movies...I clicked the display button on my TV remote and it said my TV Was recieving a 1080i signal. I then switch the dashboard to 1080p....Both games and movies displayed that my TV was getting a True 1080p signal. All via componant cable. Now my cable and my ps3 is hooked up via HDMI. When I click display when I'm watching Comcast HD...my tv says 1080i signal...and on my Ps3 it depends on the game. When I'm watching blu ray movies my tv says 1080p but on many of the games it says 720p. I should make a you tube video when I have time showing all of what I just said. I speak the 100% truth and we all know the truth is hard to swallow when it proves the console you won't buy is outperforming the console you want that just so happens to cost much more as well. WOW

[TheMART]

Top Gamer/Real Deal

Even I would like a video of that. Not that I don't believe you, but I was also not known with the fact that 1080p could be done over component. Yeah, that some HDTV's could pick it up and others wouldn't.

We've talked about it on Live when playing Gears of War online and I can't check it myself, have a 720p TV, 1080i at max. But 1080i looks less in my case compared to 720p. Strange, but true. It's a Sony HDTV maybe that has something to do with it ;)

It would be nice to see a youtube from you, so every time someone comes around about this subject it's something to show that has value. For the rest, right on. It's good to hear you can compare it with having all the games out. I am really looking forward to head to head comparing UT3 for PS3 and 360. If the PS3 gets owned again it's a done case for me.

@Blu Print (below)

That's talkign in the future (what will come out on games) and personal preference of games/genre.

Top Gamer looks @ this moment, with multiplatform games compared etc. Which he clearly states the 360 wins. Ofcourse, when a game you really like is coming out on a certain platform it sounds logical you buy it. When you like Zelda, you need to buy a Wii... Either way, Top Gamer/Real Deal can compare. He has the consoles, he has a wide range in setup and equipment. If anyone can compare, it's him.

[Blu-Print]

Again you have to be considerate of the amount of time the PS3 has been out which is a little over three months. The ONLY great exclusive it has out is Resistance and it got very good reviews and it was Insomniac's first shooter. I know you buy every single game and every single console, but when you say the 360 has the best next-gen games it's a matter of opinion, just like the EA guy in the article. Everyone has an opinion. To me, it's that the PS3 is going to have the best games that suit me, which are Lair, Heavenly Sword, Motorstorm, Metal Gear Solid 4, Eight Days, Uncharted, Final Fantasy, Afrika, God of War 3, not to mention the next Ratchet and Clank and Shadow of the Colossus team's next project.The reason the 360 doesn't interest me is because, to me, it doesn't have games to match these, not in quality or entertainment, but in style. I have a PS3 and can honestly say that there aren't that many 360 games that I can lose sleep over. Whether the 360 or PS3 leads this gen, there are going to be killer games for both, but it's all about the type of games you like: Japanese-style, or Western-style.

Also, which Wii exclusives is anyone on this site anticipating over the 360 or PS3, 0, which is why the Wii is not going anywhere in the future. It's supposed to bring in non-gamers but it might be leaving hard-core gamers which actually buy games regularly. Besides controls, there's nothing that the Wii is doing now that wasn't already done last-gen.

TheMart(above)- so you bought a 360 for multiplatform games or its exclusives, which actually take advantage of its strengths.

[soccerstar]

Ya ive known about the 1080p over component since fall now and just my opinion but i wouldnt say the 360 is clearly better because there are still amzing games for the ps3 coming out. Just like the 360 last year the ps3 unfortunatly only has 1 good exclusive game resistance and the 360 had cod2 which looked better on my computer. And also like the 360 last year the ps3 has more good games coming later this year and games like motorstorm prove that the 360 isnt the clear winner.
and if you dont beleive that i have a 360 and a ps3 here are my gamer tags
360: Legend058
ps3: Legend058

[sevenout]

Response to Raist,

I bought my PS3 at launch and it cost me $599.99. If I would have purchased the crappier PS3 it would have cost me $499.99. I spent $40 on the necessary component cable, $40 on an extra controller and $60 on RFOM. Even if I decided to get the crappier PS3 and decided to forgo the extra controller and the component cable, my total would have been $604.78, with 8% tax added in. As it stands, I spent $801 for the better PS3 and the aforementioned necessary peripherals and ONE game, with tax.

The PS2 cost me $299 on launch day. I don't know where the $450 number you got came from.

Granted, I think the PS3 is a fantastic deal, but that's just me. Does anyone here believe that the general public has $700-800 to drop on a PS3 with one game, comp. cable, one extra controller and one game? Regardless of how fantastic the PS3 games are, the entry fee is way too steep.

This is the reality that the PS3 is facing for at least the next year.

[SPAWN]

I have an 46" inch Sharp Aquos 1080p LCD and I also get 1080p over component cables from my 360! I just got this tv too! Got it from newegg.com and it`s great! I also have an vga to hdmi converter since my tv doesn`t have a vga input, and guess what? It still looks the same as with my component cables! When I first hooked my 360 up to this bad boy, my eye started to drip tears! It was like I had just got my 360 for the first time again! Wow is all that I can say! WOW!

[True Gamer]

Unlike the fanboys on this site I look at the facts.

The PS2 was a disaster when it launched with very few good games...that all changed soon and it went to become the #1 most popular console of its time.

Same thing is happening with the PS3 right now, anyone who predicts the PS3 will fail after being just 3 months in the market is an idiot.

Also the Xbox 360 has lost HALF its market share in less then 3 months, so lets just wait and see what happens this year...you might be surprised.

[UrbanJabroni]

No, no I won't. But way to throw out one of those "I know what is going to happen" even though none of us do threads. Always a special treat.

[True Gamer]

You missed the whole point of my comment.

[sevenout]

True Gamer: One small thing you forgot to mention about the PS2 doing "badly" vs. the PS3 is that the PS2 did not cost $600 minimum.

Also, the PS2 was sold out for at least it's first 18 months regardless of how "bad" everyone was saying it was. The PS3 is practically overflowing the shelves in some stores.

Put simply, the Developer quoted in the article did not give the MAIN reason why him and other developers not being paid directly by Sony are spelling the PS3's doom: THE FRIGGIN THING COSTS TOO MUCH and is not selling and will not sell well in the future at it's current price NO MATTER WHAT GAMES ARE ON IT. Plus Microsoft is poised to drop the price of the 360 dramatically this Christmas.

[blackmagic]

Umm... where are you getting this fictional 50% market share loss data?

vgcharts and nextgen wars are the only two sites that are 'estimating' worldwide sales and since neither detail exactly how their numbers are achieved or even have any professional statistical or enumeration experience that I can see for that matter, I have taken the average of the two to be fair:

360 - 61.6% market share
Wii - 28.6% market share
ps3 - 9.8% market share

So it's basically 60/30/10 for 360/Wii/ps3. I'd say the ps3 has a long fight ahead of it.

Face it, 3 months after ps2's launch the market share was 0/0/100 not 60/30/10 for Xbox/Gamecube/ps2. They could afford to flounder around for a bit... The ps2's performance is clearly not an indicator for this gen and if anything the ps2 is actually affecting ps3 sales negatively at this point... I'm starting to think this EA guy is actually right on the mark.

[Raist]

@18.3> The PS3 doesn't cost 600 minimum. 500 would be a bit more correct right ?

The PS2's price on launch was 450$/€
Add the price of a memory card, and you're very close to the 20GB PS3 model.

@18.4> you forgot about the DC. It had great games when the PS2 came out and was doing pretty well.

[Scrumptious]

@True Gamer. If you statement is correct, Atari should still be number 1, or Nintendo, or Sega...
The video game market is constantly changing, and no one stays at the top forever. You are making the same mistale some analysts are making, predicting future success on past performance. It's a whole new battle each generation, and this time the 360 might be the victor.

@Blu print. I can tell by your comments you have not really played the Wii. If you have spent time with it, you would realize the beauty of the sstem. It is a fun alternative to hardcore gaming, and compliments the 360 nicely. After playing a serious game like GOW or LP, it is relaxing to fire up Wario or Wii sports and have some fun. And like a typical Sony fanboy, you are believing the Sony promises. Most of the games you have mentioned haven't even released a single screenshot. You are buying into the hype based on past success. It is not every day that a sequal meets or exceeds the standards set by the previous installment. Look at Madden, Turok, Mortal Kombat, Sonic, Mario,... the list goes on. So when you say "The reason the 360 doesn't interest me is because, to me, it doesn't have games to match these" what are you comparing them to...SONY PROMISES!

There are developers backing both sides. The ones that interest me are the ones developing for both platforms, like EA, ID, Valve, and they back 360. The only ones saying PS3 is better are working on second-party games, which means it is in their best business interest to say PS3 is better at the time.

Where is DJ on this one? if you do show up DJ, you have never answered my question about GPUs. When exactly and who at ATI stated the RSX was more powerful? You throw this clain around a lot, but never provide a source. Everyone else in the industry claims the 360 has the superior GPU, so why would ATI, who designed this, claim otherwise? Source please.

[chitown]

yea....... how about u EA losers stick to making shi!y games and not give other people advice

[deathtok]

Listen, one guys opinion is not this newsworthy.

1) You don't know he is really an EA dev... and so what if he is.

2) Think for yourself.

[Havince]

What a guy at EA says matters not, i personally hate sony, i had a ps1 and 2 but when xbox came out WOW i shifted, then i got a 360 on release, theres no right or wrong console 2 buy.

[neogeo]

I personal won't buy a wii. I like 360 and ps3. I do have a son in the oven. Yes I will be a father in June. Take a wild guess what company my son will get to know? If you think sony or microsoft your dead wrong. Its gonna be Nintendo only! No bloody games into he is 13. I probably will drop a few thousand in Nintendo's deep pockets before then. So does anyone think im a bad father? I can still remember when people talked about Ninendo going 3rd party. I would laugh then, and I will laugh in 10 years from now. Unless the human race stops making babys. Reggie will continue to smoke cuban cigars lit with hundred dollar bills into he is old and fat, one day to be found dead sitting in a grandfather chair with some futuristic gameboy in one hand and his dong in the other with a chees smile on his rotting corps...

[FeralPhoenix]

I have owned every major console for the last 20+ yrs and I can honestly say that NO ONE can tell YOU which console is better.

I don't know how much gaming you have done in the past but here's the only thing you need to ask yourself; "What type of games do I enjoy the most?" -Now this is where it gets tricky, because no matter what the answer is all 3 consoles have a little something for everybody, but when it comes to exclusives it really comes down to personal taste.....I think with Nintendo, its an EASY distinction between their exclusives and the ones offered by M$ and Sony.

Now a PS3 fanboy would say 360 only has shooters...blah, blah -but the truth is that 360 offers a wide variety of games, but it just happens that Xbox & now 360 have offered some amazing shooters -thus the label. I think its safe to say that the 360 does offer the "better" western style exclusive's no matter what genre they are.

Now a 360 fanboy would say all the PS3 is good for this gen is playing BD movies, the games look better on the 360, and the only good one is MGS4 unless you like FF 37...blah, blah. -but the truth is that the PS3 overall has a even more diverse game line-up than the 360, I think alot of this can be attributed to the Japanese dev support that makes more classic Japanese style RPG's and some "quirky"/different Japanese type games....of course they will have great western style stuff too but I think JRPG's/Japanese games is the PS3's strong suit.

OK, I didn't cover the Wii much because honestly if graphics don't matter at all -you either like the Wii games or you don't....but as far as the other two are concerned the hardware won't make a huge difference in games, Best case scenario: Get all 3; if you can't then question remains: "What kind of games do YOU like the MOST?"

Now on topic, I also think that EA dev's need to "step up" their own games, but I think this guy made some reasonable observations....in the end its just his opinion....so take it with a grain of salt.

[kingboy]

That pretty solve`s it

[Raist]

Amazing source ! XD

So you guys reject the UK OPM as a source for Bioshock coming to PS3, but take this screenshot from a post on a unknown forum as a credible source. If if that wasn't ridiculous enough, you sound like it was an official statement from EA. Yeah right.

Geez, that's even worse than i thought. lol

[bluebrad1974]

There certainly has to be a hardware design flaw with the PS3. I say it's blu-ray, the PS3 was designed around selling blu-ray, not videogames.

[Booneral]

Why do people even bother commenting on such bullshit. Yeah I can come up with a screenshot of an email saying that Wii is the most powerful next-gen console, yet it's abilites havent been untapped. Will you believe that crap and comment on that too?

[Gamer13]

ill get a ps3 the end of this year - right now the ps3 hasn,t got what i want, it as got about 2 or 3 games that i would play but not enough for me to purshase a ps3.

IM OUT...................