Battlefield 2042: DICE Explains Beta Build Process; Hostility Part of Why Devs Don't Interact More

DICE Producer explains the beta process, and why gamers aren't testing the latest build of Battlefield 2042. Says hostility is why devs don't interact more.

[Kaii]

With the removal of classes & this being the first gameplay slice the general consumer has to "assess" overall gameplay, I think It's right to "critique" the blanded removal of classes & the bundled messy addition that is specialists, you can't have RPG/repair tool. (one of many examples)

BF 3 2011 > BF 4 2013 > BF HL 2015 > BF 1 2016 > BF V 2018
It's perplexing as to why they tear down the overall (what worked) each time on each installment, No, I'm not asking to "codify" the BF experience, when purchasing something new, It needs to feel/look new.

Yesterday + Today The servers were liquified & hit registration went out the window, which for any gamer will make'em go from 0-100 In 0.2s flat, It's fair at this point that the servers EA use for all their IP's suck, badly.

Dealing with any gaming community is basically handling a double-edged sword, understand the difference between constructive criticism/feedback to just spewing caps "THEY'VE RUINED IT".

People are taking the cake out of the oven, but its still got 40 days of baking time left, the beta allows you to make an Informed decision on yay/nay purchase, hopefully, Dice can throw out some clips/pics of the much-needed revisions to the Ui & discuss PS5/overall performance improvements.

[Teflon02]

You can't give proper criticism so it's kinda pointless. Instead of giving suggestions to make the idea work for you. You're crying that it's basically not rinse and repeat. Personally nothing is wrong with the way they went about doing this. Me and everyone I've been playing BF since BF4 with are actually happy with the removal of classes. As a medic player, I can now decide to play a even stronger support role. I can actually defend myself against vehicles and such now. Also it is a perfect combat to being able to summon tanks and such. There's really nothing wrong with the idea. What the real issue is, the beta being real Glitchy but they warned us of that. Your own teams visibility, maybe just make the marker for the team bigger. Add end of match stats like the old games etc QoL stuff is what they really need to work on. The game itself is executed fine. Though I do wish Heli's and such spawned on the floor

[LordoftheCritics]

Some ppl whining.

Rest of us
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

I just want a Request Ammo button

[Fishy Fingers]

I'd argue BF2 > BF2142 > all the others... but that might be showing my age.

But yeah, I really dislike the removal of classes, dont understand the rational behind it.
.

[Nitrowolf2]

not a fan of the removal of classes either. also the teams need better distinction

[excaliburps]

Same. But even so, people can do that and not be dicks. I mean, devs are people, and the game isn't decided on by just one person. I find it scary that some gamers choose personal attacks, issue death threats and the like when they don't ike someting.

[Rude-ro]

The rational is due to the info they gather from the long era of classes…
No matter what, the majority of casuals that spend that money ignore the fundamentals of teamwork and do their own thing.
Dice trying to combat that in some way is a matter of trial and error…
But a squad can still do their classes and still dominate.
Hating the change is just for the sake of hating change while in the reality of the history of battlefield.. it was the players themselves that dictated this change by how they played or wanted to play while ignoring their squads needs.
It is not a negative in the core core community sense because they will build according to their teams needs and can do so even better now.

[seanpitt23]

Played about 3 matches and got bored.. kills just don’t feel satisfying enough, something is definitely missing for me and it’s got so many bugs I don’t know how they are going to fix this game In a month or so… and that flashing bug is going to give someone a seizure that shit is crazy…

[NoFanBoy]

The Sell you the specialists as DLC, simple.

[Cernunnos]

BFV > BF2 > BF2142 > all the others imo :) But that might be showing my age even more...

[Destiny1080]

its a solid B+ from me, getting rid of classes is great idea, why cant i be a sniper and a medic at the same time, when you die they should just tell you the distance to the nearest medic and allow you to crawl, some action replays would be nice, it makes death a whole lot more interesting, the throwing of the hand grenade, call of duty has absolutely nailed this a long time ago, so its disappointing to see it done bad over and over again

an enemy tank came through a tunnel and rolled up beside me, it sounded like a fly had just rolled up beside me, i also noticed when parachuting, well, basically at no point did i feel like i was actually parachuting off a building, walking through the forest some nice bird sounds, but overall, not much jungle atmosphere, maybe its the constant chatter and the non stop distance rocket fire, overall the sound is fine, but i feel it should be a whole lot better

the whole bullet drop mechanic is really annoying, i have to aim 9 feet above them for a long distance shot, I'm sure battlefield veterans may even like this, but i see it as pointless in a fast paced arcade game, someone else mentioned, the lack of destruction and i have to agree its non-existent

[ChubbyBlade]

The class system is what balanced the game. It’s now just like every other shooter on the market.

Why can’t you be a sniper and a medic?

Because you’ll just sit on a hill and constantly heal yourself or sit there with ammo boxes.

The class system is as much battlefield as vehicles are. It also removes the teamwork incentive. It literally just plays like mw2019 groundwar.

[Destiny1080]

The class system didn't balance the game, you literally had engineers walking behind tanks repairing as they fought, you had medics hanging out with snipers never exposing themselves to fire and just constantly healing them, now that the classes can actually do some fighting and are not gimped to just healing and repairing, the mass cheating might end

[boing1]

@Destiny1080

Your examples are the examples of team work in a team work oriented game. Running as a sniper that can heal himself contradicts this.

[Good-Smurf]

Bullet drop is for added depth and a form of balancing sniping won't be much fun if it just laser painting all day on the rooftop.
Getting rid of classes only encourage people to play selfishly and ignoring team effort,most won't run to a sniper across the map just to get some medic kit and you certainly won't suddenly jump off the building just to help repair tanks below.

[ArchangelMike]

The reason you should not be a sniper and a medic at the same time is that, the medic is meant to go around healing their team - not just themsleves. As a sniper you're not really supposed to be in the thick of the action at close range, but as a medic you are.

Being a Sniper and a medic, you're basically taking a healing setup that is meant to benefit the team and using it only for yourself. That's exactly what's wrong, as it breaks team work. Might as well be a sniper with an ammo crate, forget supplying your team, just keep all the ammo for yourself.

That's not how Battlefield is supposed to be played. PTFO means more than just cature the objectinve, it also means play the objective of the game - which is team based squad play.

[John_McClane]

In the past the Battlefield devs have been hostile over legitimate criticism.

[Welshy]

Maybe during the bizarre BFV pre-launch era (which they deservedly paid for), but the BF devs have generally been pretty good at taking criticism.

Most BF's are a little buggy at launch which should absolutely be criticised, but they almost always turn the corner and come good, BF4 and even BFV come to mind in that regard.

[Good-Smurf]

BF4 a little buggy?
It took them over a year to make it playable and enjoyable it was trade kills fest back in 2013 2014.

[Notellin]

Battlefield 4 was the worst launch of any game I've ever purchased. In fact I'd never buy another one my experience was so awful.

[Welshy]

I didn't mean to downplay the buggyness so much, my main point was that most BF titles eventually straightened out down the line.

BF2042's beta was rough as f*ck, after the beta I went from a day 1 buy to wait and see what reviews/impressions say once the full game is out in the wild. £63 is the cheapest I could find in the UK, and it's simply not worth that in it's current state.

[TheHan]

Way to many haters that don’t understand what a beta means. I’ve seen the comments on some gaming market platforms and people are fucking cruel.

[KillBill]

Because we have played other Betas that were miles ahead of what we got from BF 2042. It isn't like this is our first rodeo. Sure every Beta has some issues but for the most part in Battlefield Betas the issues really weren't that great. But BF 2042 was all over the place.

And devs not being able to handle the "hostility"? Really...? Is there a reason gamers are more hostile at BF games than other games? Is Battlefield special in some way that they are being treated differently? Because other devs seem to manage fine enough.

[EazyC]

Dude, you have a list as long as my arm proving that in the modern videogame vernacualar, "beta" = "demo" .

I will bet you my left nut this is HIGHLY representational of what the final game will look and feel like, bugs and all. Certainly as far as the core gameplay is concerned.

[Cernunnos]

BETA a month before release is just a demo. It's not enough time to make meaningful changes. It's just marketing. It's to get streamer hype. What you see in the BETA will be very close to the final game, except for some bug fixes, performance optimization and balance changes. Nothing significant will change.

[Angelin]

Sad but true. Beta is a few months old and they probably fixed a lot of performance issues but more or less this is what we’re going to get as a core experience.

[1nsomniac]

Playing the new beta hasn’t changed my opinion since I played the Alpha Playtest. Without a shadow of a doubt this is the worst battlefield they’ve ever made. I just can’t find anything positive about any aspect of the game at all. Absolute car crash.

[Angelin]

I only had time to play for about 2 hours and it felt quite meh… it’s really hard to distinguish enemies, the map felt empty at times with 128 players online and no AI, there was no teamwork, just pure chaos…

[Binarycode]

If I'm honest. I'm quite shocked at the changes.

Not just the classes thing, but the feel of the vehicles, that did not need messing with. They were perfect in BF3-4. Heck even Vietnam, although harder to fly a chopper felt right.

Then there's the setup on the screen, tbh I never even saw someone giving ammo or how to ask for it.? Text and look feels wrong.

Overall the action in the game had a sort of lag to it, not my connection. Just a disconnection between everything. Even when capturing flags. It doesn't feel important. I couldn't careless about rockets taking off or superficial things.

Heck levolution was awesome and worked well in BF4 because it actually changed the map.

Obviously they want to sell games, but if you want to get new customers and maybe poach some from COD. add COD smaller maps for those types of ppl that want to play that type of mode. and keep the larger maps for everyone else.

The beta has numerous bugs and performance issues with excessive ram usage and glitches.

From the Beta i'm not really sure DICE are heading in the right direction. Bigger isn't always better.

[ikarodemon]

All Battlefield games to date have come out with terrible bugs.
EA is one of the nastiest companies and they never loved anything but money. Now do they want to be victims? F*** EA

[Moe-Gunz]

Hell Let Lose is more battlefield than battlefield

[CantThinkOfAUsername]

Not really. It's leaning more towards mil-sim. Battlefield is just chaotic arcade fun.

[LordoftheCritics]

Eww lol

[EazyC]

I think in a way the fact this is called 'Battlefield' and made by DICE is misleading to people because we naturally feel that it's the same guys that made BF 4 etc... it really isn't. DICE is essentialy a completely different studio making a very different game.

I'm very disappointed with what I played. An uncohesive, disjointed mess on every level.

[ArchangelMike]

It honestly baffles me. They have the same code and the same engine, so why can't basic mechanics from prevouse BF games get ported over to the new game. Why start from scratch every time? Suyrely that's not time or cost efficient int eh long run. At this rate I would prefer a remaster of BF3 & BF4. I've gone back to BFV, becasue right now, that's the best Battlefield experience, much better than 2042 at least.

[Cernunnos]

This was the BF that was supposed to get the series back on track. But from what I've seen from the BETA I have lost all interest. Meh...

[cerpintaxt44]

theres hostility because you have been inept for like a decade

[blacktiger]

Everything slowly becoming communist

[anubusgold]

They turned HDR off on the beta but had the option in settings no wonder the lighting looked dark dull and crap i was so mad how it looked. I didnt know they turned HDR off for the beta.