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‘Abandoned’ creator Hasan Kahraman: "how are we scammers?”

'Abandoned' creator Hasan Kahraman says claims that Blue Box Game Studios are "scammers" are affecting him and the studio.

NecrumOddBoy998d ago

This isn’t fun or interesting anymore.

Inverno998d ago

Yea but isn't it the media and people speculating that has blown all of this out of proportion? They haven't really sold anything to anyone besides what seems to be a failed early access game which you can't buy into anymore. All this bitching and moaning are coming from the same people who started to rumours of SH. Think it's safe to assume now that this wasn't their intentions cause a reveal wouldn't take this long

EvertonFC998d ago

I would normally agree but in this case they have only themselves to blame if it isn't silent hill or MGS or kojima related.
Having said that kojima and Sony could have said something by now if it's not them?

CS7998d ago

I mean saying your horror game title “starts with S and ends with L” is just inviting pressure on yourself.

To then afterwards post a photo that looks like Solid Snake… You know what you are doing.

Then have the gaming world hyped and release 4 second trailer with no additional information is pretty dumb.

They want the attention. I blame Hasan and his team, if they’re even a real studio. They deserve no sympathy.

ocelot07997d ago

@EvertonFC

Thing is even Yoshida was kind of promoting this on twitter a few days ago. So something's up.

SinisterKieran997d ago

they could be lying...but they're made a vide and have said on twitter that their project is nothing to do with silent hill. i think they said kojima too.

Ninver997d ago

No it's not the peoples fault for being kept in the dark and making their own assumptions of what it could be. The studio knew what they were doing. Instead of coming out and laying it all on the ground about what the game is, they rode the unworthy hype train. Now they're paying for it.

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scofios998d ago

Thats theire own fault and of those supposedly insinders and youtube click seekers .

CaptainHenry916998d ago (Edited 998d ago )

It's not fun because everyone thought this was Metal Gear Solid or Silent Hill when the developers said it wasn't. But they did do this to themselves though. It feels like they tried to advertise and market their game for a lot of attention. They definitely did that part right but it's about to backfire on them LOL. An indie studio shouldn't be getting this type of attention like a AAA game

Vanfernal997d ago

They tweeted their horror game's title "Starts with and S and ends with an L". It's not like they didn't fuel the flame themselves.

CaptainHenry916997d ago

@Vanfernal

They made a mistake doing that

babadivad997d ago

I keep hearing about Abandoned but I have no clue what it is or about.

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AmUnRa998d ago (Edited 998d ago )

You know he is right. The internet is a blessing but more often a curse.
There are people in commentsections and on YouTube and on Twitter and other channels think they can say anything without thinking what impact that has on people.
They must be called for and that sort of people must be banned. Dont come with this bullshit of free speech. Think before you write something. Dont write something when you are mad about it, dont pretend that you have the right to demand things you want.
Use your brain, calm down, think about it first before wright something down.Hurting peopleis just a sign of a bad character, nothing more nothing less.

ANIALATOR136998d ago (Edited 998d ago )

If you don't like something somebody writes, just turn the bloody internet off. It's not up to you what people can and cannot say.

AmUnRa998d ago (Edited 998d ago )

Yeah, i disagree, there are still norms and values when people communicate with each other. Turning of the internet is not the solution.
People hiding behind the keyboard and think they can say whatever they want, is just wrong.
You can disagree with somebody but calling people names, threaten with voilence ore deadthreaths are way out of line.
Its so wrong. Keep it civil, give counter arguments of what you think.
Discusion is great but keep it civil.
Thats the way people should communicate with eachother. The internet would be a better place.

dreamed997d ago (Edited 997d ago )

Damn right brother 👍....I love how liberal minded ppl want to ban every one and everything that they don't like....😂😂 😂

CS7998d ago

Ummmmmmmmm…. No sorry.

They did this to themselves.

When people think you are Kojima you should not:
a) State that you are making a horror game “that starts with S and ends with L”

b) Do cryptic image reveals with characters that look like Solid Snake

c) Hype the world up for a “real time trailer” that is 4 seconds

Doing those things are incredibly dumb and you are just asking for a HUGE backlash to your project, yourself and your team.

If this guy really did these things “unknowingly”, he has a really low IQ.

But he didn’t; he knows exactly what he is doing. No sympathy from me.

MWeaver589997d ago

While I'm not surprised the comment section is just a wave of agrees and disagrees, I will say this.

I get Hasan had a plan and he wants to do things his way, but it still isn't clear why he chooses the direction he does. At one point he suggested a marketing plan and an NDA. If it's legitimately nothing and it's seriously so taxing on his life, I don't understand how he can't just release information and end this stuff.

Ultimately, speculation occurs because Hasan remains as vague as possible with his project. Instead of trying to solve it or really doing anything we get stuff like this... It's so bad we legitimately had him reply to someone a week or two ago expressing frustration because someone called his eye patched man a stock asset and suggested he wouldn't do an app like this for that.

But all this does is invite the negativity on him. Whether Hasan would or would not, he has confirmed he DID for the PlayStation Blog. Whether the app is something bigger or not, what we legitimately got was a five second clip that contained nothing promised (haptic feedback, etc) and three days a technical glitches.

Hasan legitimately needs to go back and read the "the boy who cried wolf." There seems to be this sense he deserves the benefit of doubt, without any reflection on why the doubt exists. He squandered that and seems to have no reflection on why he is in this situation, so it just falls on deaf ears.

CorndogBurglar998d ago

I agree with you about people posting comments and the way people talk.

But these guys need to understand something. They've had 6 failed games in development over the past 5 years. He mentions this other game The Haunting in the article. It's never left the Early Access stage and he wanted to just make it free for everyone because it isn't finished and doesn't play correctly. Fair enough. But rather than keep working on the game they just abandoned it to start working on, ironically enough, Abandoned.

That in itself is ridiculous, but what about the people that already paid for The Haunting? Did they get refunds? I honestly don't know and he doesn't say.

But as for Abandoned, all of this controversy would be cleared up if they would just come out and say, "Hey everyone, this our own game and Hideo Kojima has nothing to do with it". But they won't do that, because they are getting huge publicity off of it. If this game didn't look like Silent Hills, which I'm 100% sure was on purpose, it wouldn't even be getting a fraction of the attention it is right now.

So I feel like that's pretty scummy on their part. They are trying to ride the coat tails of a legendary game developer for their own gain. There's really no other reason why they wouldn't have come out and said Kojima isn't involved by now.

leejohnson222998d ago

They do have a pinned tweet saying they are not making silent hill and have nothing to do with kojima. So they did all this a long time ago.
My thought Is Sony will never allow this to go on so long if it was just an indie game. What indie game no one ever heard of makes a ps5 only app and game? It's all very strange but people really forgot moby dick studios

justadelusion998d ago

You must be new to the internet.

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JackBNimble997d ago (Edited 997d ago )

If you look blue box history it's shit.

They have never completed a project and to try to convince the public that this isn't a scam is laughable.

Even if they miraculously do make a complete game, I have no faith that it would ever be worth playing let a lone worth buying.

Edit: responded to the wrong comment

CS7997d ago

They literally struggled to make 4 second trailer mate.

3 delays. For a 4 second trailer.

Let that sink in…

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Urrakia34998d ago

Blue Box's track record speaks for itself. Besides, Hasan ain't exactly helping himself with the overly ambiguous teases that implied certain things (Out of focus man with eye patch).

kayoss997d ago

well, things happens and sometime it dont go as planned. but he has a point. It didnt sell anyone anything.

kparks998d ago

Can this just go away already I'm tired of hearing about it lol. This entire debacle just shows how stupid people are.

GhostofHorizon998d ago (Edited 998d ago )

There is a really easy solution to this just come out and say what the game actually is and make it clear to everyone that Kojima and Konami are not involved in any way.
Then all the attention you're enjoying would go away so I can see why you wouldn't want to do that but don't complain about it. If you want to ride down this road, don't complain when it gets bumpy.

leejohnson222998d ago

They have a pinned tweet from months ago saying exactly that

ecchiless997d ago

ppl cant read.... ppl is so stupid.

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CS7997d ago

And then they tweeted an image with someone looking like Solid Snake.

They are playing games with the fans mate.

Show the actual game… Give the actual title and their struggles will end. (Along with all the hype)

This is a pure case self inflicted hurt. (If it isn’t a scam)

frostypants997d ago (Edited 997d ago )

They did that already. The gaming community is full of idiots.

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Nintendo President Expects More Complex & Lengthy Game Development Cycle In Future

The president of Nintendo expects the game development cycle to be more complex and more lengthy in the future.

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XiNatsuDragnel1d 23h ago

I'm not surprised that's why indies and fan games will be vital

-Foxtrot1d 22h ago

*Nintendo clutching Cease and desist letters*

"FAN GAMES? Who. What. When. Where"

XiNatsuDragnel1d 21h ago

Only nintendo other fan games like sonic are safe lol

PassNextquestion15h ago

That's why this guy gets paid the big dollars...no one else could of worked that out...

Chocoburger23m ago

This tells us that the hardware jump from Switch 1 to Switch 2 will actually be significant. Something close to the Xbox One or Playstation 4 realm of visuals. I'm expecting something close to a Steam Deck capabilities, or perhaps slightly beyond it.

Glad to hear that.

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Prey Mooncrash by Arkane Austin still stands as one of the most exciting roguelike experiments ever

With Arkane Austin shutting its doors this week, it's a good time to reflect on one the most innovative roguelike-inspired triple-A experiences of recent years.

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RaidenBlack1d 1h ago

which inspired the Deathloop idea

1nsomniac21h ago

I’ve got it, never played it. Prey is a game I really wanted to like and it’s a game I really should have liked, everything about it is right up my street. But I just don’t know what it was but I just couldn’t stick with it.

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PlayStation Funded Deviation Games Was Working On Two Projects For PC & PS5

PlayStation funded Deviation Games had been working on two projects for PC and PS5 prior to being shut down.

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xHeavYx21h ago

How is it cool that a developer working in 2 projects were shut down?

Jingsing21h ago

He is being sarcastic because this is clearly another battle for N4G propaganda news article to try and filter out the bad Microsoft articles. It is ancient news.

XiNatsuDragnel21h ago

@jingsing
Exactly mate I just wanted to be sarcastic.

shinoff218320h ago

We went over this month's ago. Great timing though considering all things going on these last few days.

Shts cute

RNTody18h ago(Edited 18h ago)

This is the Microsoft defense force. They can't spin the current bad press in any coherent way, so all they can do is normalise the idea of studio shutdowns so that what Microsoft is doing seems completely normal as opposed to shambolic and a direct effect of bad decisions for the gaming industry. But hey, it's a cute attempt indeed.

Wake me up when Sony axes Housemarque after Returnal.

Then we'll talk.

RNTody6h ago(Edited 6h ago)

If you don't know your facts, Tacoboto, maybe don't stand up to the podium. Deviation Games closing is a story from MONTHS ago:

https://www.ign.com/article...

All this article is, is some little clarity on what they were working on.

Lay offs happen. Games fail. Shutdowns happen. They're sad. But it's life. Even Naughty Dog endured it with The Last of Us Online. It hardly points to an industry collapse. The industry isn't imploding, it's going through a transitional period where big brand publishers are facing the reality that bloated budgets, GAAS, five different subscription services, unrealistic sales expectations and budgets, gamers playing habits, poor quality and incomplete games, mismanagement of studios and excessively delayed development times etc. are real problems affecting triple A development. If the industry was imploding, we'd be hearing that God of War Ragnarok was the best selling game in PlayStation history but it's a commercial failure and the studio needs to be downsized. We'd be hearing that Forza didn't turn a profit. That Nintendo can't sustain new Marios and Zeldas. That game and console sales are at record lows.

Deviation Games closing, for whatever reasons they did, is NOT the same as the utterly abnormal and shambolic situation of Hi Fi Rush, where the game and its studio were a massive success but were closed as a casualty of Microsoft's acquisitions and the need to recoup those costs and cease risky investment in new IP or niche studios that don't sell millions.

My cynicism at this story is because there is an emerging opinion like yours that the industry is falling apart, and it's going to lead to the terrible opinion that games need to be more expensive or have more monetisation options to be sustainable.

Yet, who are the ones responsible? The losers like Microsoft, Warner Bros, EA etc. But because lay offs are happening we feel the need to lump all in the same basket and call a crisis. Gaming has been growing for a very long time, but it cannot grow indefinitely, the market is at a point where it's adapting to new trends like mobile and handheld gaming making a return and subscription services and consumer buying habits changing.

Yet publishers still make Suicide Squad Kill the Justice League, watch it burn and fail and then say sales are "disappointing" and triple A games are unsustainable.

Michiel19893h ago

the desperation of making your favorite company look better by comparing it to garbage, if that's what keeps you asleep at night, good for you, doesn't change the fact that Sony also axes studios. Every negative thing Sony does gets swept under the rug cause boogieman xbox and it's pathetic. Everytime the sony camp says: we don't want gamepass it's bad for the industry because we wanna pay more, but when Sony shuts down a studio, which is also detrimental to the gaming industry, it's all cool.

RNTody2h ago(Edited 2h ago)

@Michiel1989 Um, yes Sony does? What's your point? They're a large corporate business and not our best pals. Take Days Gone. It sold five or so million copies, but it took six years to make and had mixed critical reception and Sony wasn't confident that a sequel was worth the investment. I EXPECT decisions like this in business. But you also have to respect that Sony funds and supports games like Days Gone and Dreams or Death Stranding or Ghosts of Tsushima or Helldivers 2 in this era, and invests in risky new IP.

If you've been alive for longer than five minutes you'd have seen Sony come under fire for Stellar Blade's backtracking on censorship, the Helldivers 2 fiasco, the silence on their first party studios. Their practices get attacked, but they have a loyal fanbase because they DELIVER WHAT THE FANBASE WANTS. Which is quality new games, passionate creativity and console innovations each generation. They haven't done this for a couple of months, they've done this for over 20 years since the PS1 era. Take Nintendo. People constantly criticise their practices, but they know their audience so well and cater to them in the gaming space and with innovative consoles.

But the issue I have is lumping ordinary business happenings like studio departures, or studio closures or layoffs, with the astronomically different scenarios of Hi Fi Rush, which is the death of a great studio that made an awesome game for no other reason than Microsoft's hubris and Game Pass canabalising sales, and Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League, where Warner Bros and Rocksteady did everything in their power to destroy their own success and bloat the development time and disrespect their fans, and then cried that the game didn't sell. I'm sure Rocksteady will have layoffs now.

Shutting down a studio isn't detrimental to the industry on its own. Context matters. Sometimes it's necessary because at the end of the day making money is essential if we want to keep enjoying our hobby. I will have a big problem if Sony shut down Sucker Punch after Ghosts of Tsushima, or declared Spider-Man 2 a commercial failure despite being the best selling PlayStation game in history, or any of the other hyper alarming things that point to terrible management and anti-industry.

Let's be clear here. If Sony was like Microsoft or Warner Bros, I'd have ditched them ages ago and kept to my gaming PC. And yet, Sony delivers the games I want. So why shouldn't I support their developers?

Tacoboto17h ago

The industry is imploding and you people are obsessing over everything revolving around Microsoft.

Microsoft spent like 100bn on studios and all that proved is that the industry will *never* revolve around them.

Stop your obsession. Xbox is falling apart. EA is ushering in AI. Sony is restricting game sales to a few dozen countries. Square can't manage poop going down a clockwise toilet. Switch 2 is as close today as it was in 2020.

There are bigger things to worry about than "How can I spin this to be about Microsoft?" especially when now you're deflecting the first place platform maker's problems to still be related to those of a platform that hasn't been relevant in a positive light since 2021.

Traecy20h ago

LOL! No comparison when it comes down to the big picture.

notachance19h ago(Edited 19h ago)

sh*ts so bad at MS the paid shill had to dug up old news just to find something to distract people lmao

PonyRider41m ago

Sony shutting down studios whilst being profitable? An outrage!

Funny how the rules only apply to one on this site...

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