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Analyst Michael Pachter Believes Sony will Support PS4 Through to 2023

Michael Pachter answers questions on why most Sony first party games are still coming to the PS4, and when they will be PS5 exclusive.

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BlackIceJoe1004d ago

Michael Pachter has never been right about anything. He is the only person other than the weatherman who continues to make false or mistakes in their job and still keeps it.

I'll never forget how he said Ghost Of Tsushima would fail. It didn't fail at all, but instead became very successful and we now are getting a director's cut and eventually a sequel.

https://n4g.com/news/213313...

ApocalypseShadow1004d ago

True. But there are some out there that refuse to believe that Ghost is a quality title like the review from Edge giving it a 6. But we all know 6 games aren't awarded with multiple awards or receive even more content from the publisher.

As for Pachter, he's just stating the obvious. Sony supports successful consoles well after 10 years. PS4 wouldn't be any different. With obvious things like this, I should be paid like him for stating the obvious.

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MadLad1004d ago

It's funny.
When MS came right out and stated that they would support the last generation for a few years, this site burned them at the stake and claimed they would hold back the next (current generation).
All the while, at the same time, Sony found ways to creatively claim the opposite, making them look like they were basically focusing only on next gen.
Then when it became obvious that wasn't the case, and that many of the games would indeed be cross gen, it's presented as a smart and obvious move.

This site is so hilariously hypocritical at times.

fitofficial1004d ago

People are allowed to have different opinions about games, and that "agree or else" mentality needs to die. I loved Ghost personally, solid 9/10 for me and what I enjoy, but I can see why somebody would ding it. It got pretty repetitive in parts.

NeoGamer2321003d ago

@TheRealTedCruz
Yup. Microsoft says something and it is picked apart like a dog eating the last hair of meat on a bone.

Sony says it and people think it is "innovative", "the right way to do things", and any criticism is met with "how dare you say Sony did something wrong".

None of these companies are friends to gamers. They are companies and are looking to take the maximum amount of money from us with the least spending effort. Whether it be Nintendo, Microsoft, or Sony. I don't know how anyone can think anything else.

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DarXyde1004d ago

"He is the only person other than the weatherman who continues to make false or mistakes in their job and still keeps it.".

Have you met the US Justice Department or the legislators?

fitofficial1004d ago

The CDC has entered the chat

JackBNimble1004d ago

What's a false mistake?
Just asking...

DarXyde1003d ago

JackBNimble,

They said "false OR mistakes". I'm sure they meant false statements.

But to answer your question, I guess a false mistake would be something resembling serendipity. Sort of like if someone with a great job lined up dropped out of the ivy leagues (which at the time they felt like it was probably a mistake) and they ended up building their own opportunity that earns much more and makes them happier than finishing university and working for someone.

I... Guess that's a false mistake...?

TheExecutioner1004d ago

I think he is right about this time

bunt-custardly1004d ago (Edited 1004d ago )

Using the full quote, he didn't actually say it would fail. He said it would lack broad appeal in terms of selling consoles. "Pachter said that the game’s innate ‘Japanese-ness’ will hold it back from broad commercial appeal, at least in terms of selling systems." He did recognise that it would be a great game though especially amongst the hardcore gamers. So your choice of words "fail" is a bit melodramatic.

ApocalypseShadow1004d ago (Edited 1004d ago )

Why does Pachter even speak at all in the game industry? If he works for Wedbush Securities, he shouldn't be trying to influence sales, shares, whatever, with his words. Do you see any other game analysts speaking constantly instead of letting the market play itself out?

Saying it doesn't have mass appeal as a samurai action adventure is, again, COMMON SENSE. Obvious to anyone who knows games. It's like saying, "Not everyone plays the same games." How obvious is that?

How would he know if the game would sell systems or not last year? Does he get sent information directly from Sony? No. Even Sony wouldn't know if systems were bought because of the game. Why does Pachter think he does? PC fans or Nintendo fans could have bought a PS4 just for that game. He doesn't know that.

And, great way to misquote what he said even though you think you know what he said."

He said even though Persona 5 was a great game and would win an award, he didn't think it had broad appeal.

Then, the article said, quote, "Pachter does note the game WILL PROBABLY BE GREAT." He didn't say it WAS great. How could he know? He didn't play it yet just like the rest of us.

Pachter just needs to be quiet and stop trying to influence markets with his words. Maybe the game was targeting hardcore gamers. Maybe it wasn't targeting Candy Crush players or Fortnite players as most games like that don't.

bunt-custardly1003d ago

He doesn't influence sales, but he does analyse the games industry as part of his role. Therefore, he is allowed to hold an opinion even if that turns out to be incorrect. You have to always take what he says from an investor angle. I think that point gets lost on most of the haters on N4G. GOT is a new IP and therefore has its own challenges in terms of making sales, in hindsight I assume it has done very well software sales wise. Hardcore gamers obviously watch all the pre-release amble and salivate (myself included), but the wider and larger audience perhaps not so much. Compare GOT against a well known IP such as GOW for example, and you can perhaps see where he is coming from in terms of console sales. A new GOW game would likely generate much more console sales than a new IP no matter how well the new IP is received. That's the sort of thing that will be interesting to investors rather than gamers.

fitofficial1004d ago (Edited 1004d ago )

The fact that people downvoted you explains EVERYTHING about this site. Pachter's only claim to fame is popping up periodically to be startlingly wrong about things.

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Inverno1004d ago

Well God of War isn't coming this year and it's coming to PS4, and so is Horizon 2 I believe. So it isn't really a prediction when it's obvious that those game releases have been pushed back due to Covid

Eonjay1004d ago

Yeah it won't just be Sony either. Third parties will continue to support it due to the incredible size of the install base. You can expect Fifa to release on it for another 10 years...

chicken_in_the_corn1004d ago (Edited 1004d ago )

Sony themselves have already confirmed this

https://www.washingtonpost....

JackBNimble1004d ago

Sony has supported every console beyond 10 years and still support the ps3 with updates.
I would expect the ps4 to be supported well beyond 2023.

Ausbo1003d ago

I believe when they say “support” they are talking about game releases. Not firmware patches.

JackBNimble1003d ago

According to ps3 wiki...
Ps3's finale game was shakedown released Aug 2020.

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Xbox Has No Idea What They're Doing, and I'm Not Sure They Ever Did

Nirav from GL writes: "If the makers of a GOTY competitor that outdid sales and Game Pass expectations and owned by the richest company in the world cannot stay open - what hope is there for everyone else?"

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Christopher2h ago

***If the makers of a GOTY competitor that outdid sales and Game Pass expectations and owned by the richest company in the world cannot stay open - what hope is there for everyone else?***

None if you stay in an arena of corporate driven metrics. And this is what happens when you allow publishers to buy up massive amounts of studios and IPs. There's only so much internal competition and the focus in the end will remain on those who look best on a spreadsheet.

Players can be so driven by what is best for them and only see what is put right in front of them. But that's not what is best for them. They are being lied to constantly, as seen by Microsoft's ridiculous praise for Hi-Fi Rush and Phil's lies about Redfall prior to release and how big of a supporter of both studios he has been. But, instead of thinking "wait, this corporation wants me to think this way, should I be listening to them and believing them?" players eat it up and go "OMG, did you hear what they said! They're just like us and they know what's best for the industry."

And because of this single-mindedness of the majority of gamers, we are where we are now. Massive layoffs. Massive studio closures. Games that we were told were representative of the core values of said corporations shelved and studios behind them shuttered. The truth is coming to bear because the truth all along was only what the numbers in an excel spreadsheet told the corporate suits.

If you truly want what is best for the industry, what is best for developers, then you need to support Indie games, support developers that maintain control over their IPs and direction, support boutique publishers who only exist to help Indies make it out the door and don't own the IP. Stop supporting major corporations with your money or you devotion. Stop playing their games, and I don't mean video games, but their marketing, their double speak, their guy without a tie who says things you want to hear PR, their future of video gaming concepts as if we were hurting for new ways to play games other than installing/downloading and playing them, and especially any slogan from them that gives the impression that they are for you, the consumer. They are not. You're merely a value on a spreadsheet.

Christopher1h ago

Sure, I'm the one drinking the koolaid. Keep believing in the corporations. They definitely have your best interests in mind. All hail the Big Green, For You Blue, and Nostalgia Red! All praise big corporations buying up other publishers. All praise the inevitable spreadsheet adjustments. For greed, not the players.

Tody_ZA18m ago

This should not be surprising to any of you. We have been saying for MONTHS that Game Pass is not sustainable and that these acquisitions will come at a massive cost to the industry. People refused to grasp the difference between buying and investing in a developer like Insomniac or Housemarque, and buying the entire publisher. People refused to accept that spending billions to acquire the biggest publishers in gaming means you have to RECOUP those costs, and you aren't going to do it without consolidation, focusing on core IP that sells, creating revenue streams via ownership and releasing on other platforms, and closing down studios that are superfluous to the budget requirements. You will not recoup those costs by investing in risky new IP or creative new games and studios.

No, people cheered Microsoft on like they were delivering GOTY titles to their door and pouring money into the industry to grow Indies and triple A projects.

You are getting what you deserve. You take the consequences of the practices you supported.

Layoffs happen. Some games don't succeed. Everyone has seen it happen. Happens even to the winners.

This, however, is goddamn shambolic and if you can't see it now then there's no helping you and you should keep enjoying the "value" of Game Pass while contributing nothing to this industry.

I've never seen the developer of one of the best games of the year get axed before.

Ninja Theory is next after Hellblade 2, I can see them going independent again. There's more to come from MS.

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Former Blizzard President Says Closures Hurt Phil Spencer 'as Much as Anyone Else'

The former president of Blizzard Mike Ybarra in a statement on Twitter says Microsoft Gaming CEO is hurting just as much as anyone else following the closure of three studios under Bethesda - Arkane Austin, Tango Gameworks, and Alpha Dog Studios. Roundhouse Games is also joining ZeniMax Online Studios.

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jambola11h ago

Yeahhh I doubt it's hurting a millionaire as much as it's hurting fans and people who lost their jobs

Name Last Name6h ago

Phil is the only guy in the industry that has plot armor.

Tody_ZA5h ago

Hahahahahahaha! xD Legendary comment.

lelo2play3h ago(Edited 3h ago)

At this moment, even Xbox fanboys are starting to hate Microsoft. It's fu**up, after fu**up, after fu**up... that's the state of Microsoft gaming.
Purchasing developers left and right, then killing them off...

Phil was the worst thing that happend to Xbox. Might as well just shut down their gaming division and fu** off

Jingsing8h ago

I can already hear Jim Ross.. He has a family damnit!

Barlos6h ago

Poor Phil. He must be crying into his bonus cheques. Makes your heart bleed doesn't it?

MrDead5h ago(Edited 5h ago)

I'm sure he'll be upset that those cheques contain a small percentage of money MS is still making from the closed studios games too. Next time someone purchases High-fi Rush or Evil within all that money is now just Microsofts, just think the former devs at Tango who made Hi-fi Rush MS's most highly acclaimed game in years will get nothing more.

MS are buying these publishers for the big IP's like Elder Scrolls and Call of Duty they have little interest in the ones that don't make huge profits... and firing thousands and closing studios looks good on the next quarterly shareholder report. Gotta protect the share price.

Eonjay9h ago(Edited 9h ago)

This is all coming from the executive who thinks we should have the option to tip devs... apparently so publishers can pay devs minimum wage. Will someone think of the C-suite executives!!!

dumahim5h ago(Edited 5h ago)

That was from a former Blizzard exec. Did Phil make a comment on that also?

edit: Oh, it wasn't Phil who said this himself.

LucasRuinedChildhood9h ago(Edited 9h ago)

Yeah, the guy making $10m a year is hurting as much as those who have lost their jobs and are worrying about their future and supporting their family. /s

It takes a real lack of shame to even try put the Good Guy Phil™ spin on this. It's not going to work this time.

Profchaos9h ago

He's sitting around feeling sorry when he should of been doing everything in his power to get people jobs in other studios you're telling me after toys for Bob split from Activision there wasn't a opening in the call of duty mines for arkane it's just woah is me.

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It's Time To Stop Giving Xbox Boss Phil Spencer A Pass

Under his leadership, many have lost their jobs and fewer games have made it out the door.

purple1011d 1h ago

people should call for his resignation, he has literally flushed xbox down the toilet.
another 3 studios closed today, thats it now, get out

Tody_ZA1d ago (Edited 1d ago )

Well purple101 you'd have to convince Observer and the other Xbox faithful that these studio closures and the fallout from the acquisitions is a bad thing and a sign of what's to come, and I don't think you're going to do that.

Nobody has managed that feat.

Redgrave23h ago

Obscure and Zeref have been summoned to the floor to give their account of these proceedings.

VenomUK23h ago

I 100% blame 'nice guy Phil' for the death of Xbox. The thing to realise is the Xbox Series S & X are performing WORST in console sales and game sales than the much criticised Xbox One - how can this be?

His two big mistakes were 1-not developing enough exclusives and 2 - always trying to beat PlayStation. If he made more exclusives over his decade reign and not tried to 'win' then classic Xbox would still be here in a profitable third place. Instead he tried a series of different projects to win and he ended up ultimately destroying Xbox by changing its relationship with its most loyal customers. What did he do?

* Phil spent a decade only release new iterations of Halo, Forza and Gears and not investing in creating new first party studios and IP. He mishandled Scalebound and shutdown Lionhead Studios.

* Phil tried Mixer, a streaming channel that could be used to promote Xbox dominance with free giveaways...

* Phil tried to create a streaming service that he regarded as too superior to consider PlayStation and Nintendo as competitors! But would instead compete with Netflix and Google...

* But his worst mistake was Xbox Game Pass - a multi billion dollar investment that could only work if completely dominated the worldwide gaming market - but it didn't. Instead it changed the culture of Xbox gamers so they resented spending on third party games as they were now trained to expect everything for free. Now all the games Microsoft had invested so much in were not only NOT making money from other platforms, as ever, but they were now NOT EVEN making money from Xbox customers.

If Phil Spencer had just concentrated on making new games and not non-stop gimmicks to beat PlayStation, I genuinely believe the Xbox would be an attractive platform with regular exclusives like Halo but with others too that would give it its distinct identity and maintain a profitable existence. Phil's been in charge for over a decade, the blame lays at his feet.

ChiefofLoliPolice6h ago

Oh you and I both know that's never gonna happen. Some people you can't convince them there is a fire even if their own hair is burning. Denial is a powerful thing.

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amazinglover22h ago

Last MS financial results for FY24 Q2 which is the company's sales data through Dec. 31, 2023. According to the earnings, gaming revenue is up 49% year-over-year.

That doesn't sound like he flushing it down the toilet and that also makes very unlikely he loses his job any time soon.

crazyCoconuts22h ago

Revenue up due to acquisition... Spending 10s of billions for new companies of course revenue is up. They don't tell us profits but they wouldn't be shutting down these divisions if they were in the black. Pretty sure they're shifting so radically because their current state has been an abject failure

Scissorman22h ago

This is 100% due to Activision Blizzard. If that deal had not gone through, Xbox revenue would be flat, which means a game like Starfield failed to move the needle.

rlow121h ago

@crazyCoconuts
While I agree that Phil and team have gone back on their word. Especially the last six years of promises.

But I disagree on your logic about the revenue.
They bought the companies to boost their gaming division revenue. In that regard they were very successful. They are owned by MS so your point is moot.

Lightning7717h ago

They made all that money and still doing studio shutdowns...

It's bottomless pit of money MS wants. There's no amount of money MS can make to save their own studios. They're doing it out greed and general incompetence. Calling Phil's head won't mean anything or do anything for MS. They'll still destroy regardless.

Chevalier17h ago

Damn idiots don't know how to read revenue reports. Revenue was due to folding in Activision Blizzard Revenue. They were up 61% due to Activision Blizzard with 62% increase. So they only went up 1% over last year. But idiots going to be idiots thinking Spencer is helping Xbox right now. Lol

Markusb338h ago

this is due to Activision and not their general output of quality titles,

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Jingsing12h ago(Edited 12h ago)

It is funny that it was him finally touching Bethesda that was the straw that finally broke the camels back. They should have been calling for this years ago.

Markusb338h ago

im sure this is good for gamers, didnt Phil say that about scalebound ?

JackBNimble6h ago

You obviously don't know what literally means but ya , all console bosses need to accept accountability for their actions.

Christopher3h ago

So, Phil gets canned. Do people really think that the person to replace him won't kowtow to those above him? Like his replacement won't look at spreadsheets to find things to remove and ignore the human element and accomplishments behind those numbers?

No matter whether Phil is there or not, the problem isn't just Phil. It's the corporate culture and how they prioritize numbers over anything else. Stop acting like getting rid of Phil will get rid of the issue. It won't.

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Tacoboto1d 1h ago

Phil needs to go. His time is over. When you oversee layoff after layoff after studio closure after studio closure, it's impossible to keep going forward and have people - employees and fans alike - trust you in any way.

Especially after HiFi Rush hit their metrics. I guess we know what to expect for Ninja Theory next once Hellblade is out, and Machine Games once Indiana's out & Todd Howard focuses back on ES6.

Lightning7717h ago(Edited 17h ago)

Ninja Theory won't last after HB2. Because it won't hit some impossible metric in order to be a success at MS.

Expect NT to be gone in a years time also. Where the hells the advertising for Hellblade 2? Another MS issue they do to themselves bunch of clowns.

Tacoboto17h ago

Their first-announced Series game going out like this. Their marketing so far has just been a daily tweet or two the last week.

And now this will overshadow everything up till and through its release. Maybe Ninja Theory will get the same dignity as Tango and bow out with a better PS5 port.

Chevalier16h ago

Hellblade 2 out in 2 weeks and no one will even remember it by the beginning of June

RaidenBlack8h ago(Edited 8h ago)

Unrelated but since there's a shortage of devs to make Fallout content ... MS could've asked Tango or Austin or both to make a new Fallout game (doesn't have to be a full-blown RPG) ... fans would've gobbled it up after watching Prime's FO season 2 ... and it would've been a nice experiment to check the feasibility of having Fallout venture into non-RPG genres (like it was done before during Interplay days).
This is what I would've guessed/suggested from past statements from Xbox & co., that you can experiment with new ideas (using new or existing IPs) at current Xbox ecosystem.
But ... after axing Tango & Austin ... don't know if Xbox is still open to such experimentations.

Chevalier16h ago(Edited 16h ago)

Just watch Outer World's 2 also be dead on arrival without Playstation and Nintendo gamers buying that game you can expect Gamepass to kill that IP too. Ditto for making that contract to exclude Playstation gamers from getting Indiana Jones too. Remember how Tomb Raider sales were on Playstation after the 1 year exclusivity? Expect even worse for Indiana Jones too

mastershredder1d 1h ago

It's not just Phil (Phil is just the dumb kid taking the money) and Kotaku is NOT the voice to listen to as shi7 sites like Kotaku helped contribute to modern gaming toxicity and disinformation. Kotaku staff = Much like Phil, and yes need to go.

Moegooner1d 1h ago

MS has been posting record profits, you think they give a crap about games and gamers? Think again.

DOMination-1d 1h ago

What a prat.

People gave him and Matt Booty the benefit of the doubt for a few years due to the mess they inherited but a decade on and all they've done is ruin gaming for everyone.

The only success they've had is MS Flight Simulator which was developed by a third party anyway - and Forza Horizon which by pure coincidence went downhill in quality the second Playground were acquired (imo) and that's all I can think of. Everything else they've touched has been ruined.

It's genuinely staggering how either of these two guys are still there.

Hofstaderman1d 1h ago

Phil didnt even inherit a mess, he was equally responsible for it because he sat on the executive so the kinect and XBONE roadmap vision was also on him. Mattrick was the convenient public scapegoat back then but now theres no one to place the blame on.

Tacoboto1d 1h ago

If they're to keep anyone, I'd hope it would be Sarah Bond. She's at least consistent, constantly doing quick tweets with green emojis where she can, repping the brand, saying the next hardware will be the biggest leap ever (whatever that means).

Phil Spencer openly minimizes Xbox by going out of his way to congratulate competitors and talking about how great playing non-Xbox devices are; if only Xbox had someone that could even pretend to like Xbox for being Xbox.

LoveSpuds1d ago

This is the point I always found frustrating, the whitewashing of Spencers reputation when he got promoted. He was involved in the slide into mediocrity of the 360 generation!

Aloymetal1d ago

The worse is yet to come and their fanbase don't know it yet, someone at MS posted and deleted a tweet saying all their main ''exclusives'' Halo, Forza, Gears etc will be heading to PS soon so grab a front seat ticket and some popcorn and enjoy the show;) The crying will be hilarious.

Notellin23h ago

Yeah he is absolutely responsible for the abysmal state of Xbox. I can't tell Mattrick and Spencer apart at this point. Both have been horrible executives for the Xbox brand.

Lightning7717h ago(Edited 17h ago)

Phil's responsible for this generations mess. Phil was the one following orders under Steve Balmer and Don Mattrick.

Don even admitted he messed up on camera with the Xbox documentary

Let's keep the facts straight. Everything currently now is Phil's fault.

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