Phil Spencer Comments on Bethesda Games Releasing Exclusively On Xbox and PC

Phil Spencer has commented on their recent deal with Bethesda and their acquisition and how it benefits their eco-systems going forward.

[RazzerRedux]

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[Sonic-and-Crash]

what i see is that MS wanted more to recruit developers/studios that are competent to finish smhting as a project and less to gather a bunch of IP s (that more or less underperformed)....

they were searching desperately for people that can develop and can finish what they develop with decent results...as probably had alot of bad experiences with sloppy made HALO 4-5-Wars and with draining out of talented people who can bring game New game ideas to the table

[bouzebbal]

Am I the only one who never played a Bethesda game before?

[Sonic-and-Crash]

@ not the only ...the only games that i played from Bethesda is og Morrowind which was pretty good back then and Doom 2016 which also good for a reboot ...but anything else from them seems unappealing to me

[Melankolis]

@bouzebbal
I never played Bethesda's IPs nor interested to them, but Mikami's reputation makes me want to try Ghostwire even it's an FPS.

[OptimusDK]

@bouzebbal Yes pretty much so. You must be quite a noob or just startet last week.

[chiefJohn117]

Here lemme give you hug, everything gonna be okay

[strifeblade]

All of a sudden it seems Bethesda's is unappealing. Wolfenstein is held in high regard. Elder scrolls is a generational game just like grand theft auto. Evil within and the studio developing the upcoming ps5 exclusive look great. Doom is just fun solid gameplay. All those games have a high meta and if your didn't play them or all of a sudden haven't heard of them your not a serious gamer

[Sonic-and-Crash]

@strifeblade ...yes i ll agree about Evil Within i have played it and it was good ...but i forgot it was bethesda my mistake ...though this doesnt change smhting , to me are 2-3 games that i would like to see again from them

[RazzerRedux]

Timestamp is incorrect, apparently. Trying again: https://youtu.be/YJneU_qBMP...

His comments on this are around the 8:50 mark.

[Christopher]

Just FYI, GamePass as you know it can't happen on Switch or PS as those games offered on Game Pass are already licensed on those platforms. Only thing they could offer is something like EA Pass with just Microsoft games.

[Christopher]

***I don't think you have the level of understanding to make that statement. Obviously new arrangements can always be made and that's assuming what you say is correct to begin with.***

I don't think *you* have a level of understanding on this subject matter. Licenses are to platforms. The same way music is licensed to platforms for streaming. Putting the games on a service would be an obstruction of their license with the platform upon which that service exists if Sony didn't agree to it. The only people who can break that agreement are Sony, such as when they agree to allow a game on PSNow (which is its own platform for agreement). Sony is not going to agree to allow money that could go to a game sale on their platform to be made available on a service that would be on their platform.

The thing is, Microsoft has already proven this by not allowing other cloud streaming game services on Xbox One. They themselves wouldn't allow PS Now on Xbox just like they wouldn't allow a competing cloud service.

https://techraptor.net/gami...

[UltraNova]

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but isnt MS allowing Nvidia's cloud gaming app via the xbox web browser? How does that work?

[chiefJohn117]

Chris....You're making yourself look bad. Lol

[Christopher]

***I specifically said Sony and or Nintendo would have to waive their license. I also stated Microsoft would have to get publishers/developers to agree to allow it.***

Just so I get this straight. And so you understand why you don't know what you're talking about while trying to tell me I don't.

I don't know what I'm talking about by saying that Sony would never agree to allow Microsoft to make money off of a service on their platform by making games available that are already on their platform and would take away sales from Sony on their own platform. I even linked you an article where even Microsoft prevented a competing cloud app on XBox.

But you do know what you're talking about by suggesting the most improbable solution of Sony willingly changing their license agreements to allow their number one competitor in gaming hardware to sell games, games which Sony already sell more of and get more profit from on PlayStation, as a service on their hardware which would require people installing and playing PlayStation hardware specific code that would have to go through Sony validation and would 100% be out of the hands of the people selling the product.

Yes. You totally proved me wrong and you totally didn't present the most ridiculous option to try and act like my statement above was wrong or even close to ignorant when in reality what you propose is preposterous and my statement is to define why it's prosperous.

[Christopher]

Insanely ridiculous.

You're giving an impression of possibility when it doesn't exist and then acting as if my comment isn't more accurate than yours.

And, the stances I listed above were purposefully ridiculous in stance and not support of what you're saying if you don't understand what I was getting at.

The chances of what you are acting as probable happening are less likely than Sony being bought by Microsoft.

You presenting a one in quadrillion chance of something happening and telling me I don't understand how it works is saying that you don't understand because you actually act like it could happen and because I ignore that as an option because it's just not an option (and even showed proof that microsoft themselves wouldn't allow it from a non-competitor) you try to act like you pulling this out of your rear makes you more knowledgeable. It doesn't.

By your logic, anything is possible. That's not how it works.

Please go troll elsewhere.

[crazyCoconuts]

I agree, an Xbox only pass is the only way this would happen, if at all. Whether it would be worth it for both companies I don't know.

[-Foxtrot]

" is about delivering great exclusive games for you, that ship on platforms, where Game Pass exists, and that’s our goal"

This to me is basically them wanting to put Game Pass on as many platforms as possible, it's like their own bargaining chip. "You want the new Elder Scrolls and Fallout? Well your user base can get them if you allow Game Pass on your platform. What do you say?"

I still think eventually, and I mean far, far future, it will eventually shift Microsoft into a sort of third party space with select titles.

[MrDead]

"its about delivering great exclusive games for you"... by removing them from all other platforms!

With all that money MS could of added to the gaming world instead they use it to take it for themselves.
...remember when exclusive DLC was seen as a scummy thing to do? MS just blew that away!

[MohammadAdam]

Reminds me of deathloop, ghostwire

[UltraNova]

No matter how much certain people might disagree with you, what you said is true.

It's one thing to assemble a dev team and have them create a new game from scratch and release it exclusively on your platform and an entirely different thing to buy a whole slew of studios that have been creating multiplatform games played and loved by so many people for decades and now locking a huge percentage of them out - then rubbing it in their faces.

"its about delivering great exclusive games for you" yeah....except you, and you, and you...

It's one thing buying a small-medium studio here and there or a timed-exclusivity but this...this is on another level.

Congratulations MS.

[GottaBjimmyb]

@ultranova

You mean like Ghostwire, Deathloop, final fantasy remake, Street fighter 5, Until Dawn, Order 1886. Not to mention many other third party exclusive or timed exclusive deals? I suspect those are all ok for some reason I am just too dumb to understand though. Can't wait to hear the spin.

[CaptainObvious878]

@Gotta

No spin required, just debunking your false equivalency.

All those games you mentioned are not the same as with each one of those sony funded them from the beginning. Sony didn't come in halfway through development, where a lot of resources had already been spent on getting the game to run on xbox platforms, waved a big fact check and said 'that game there that we haven't invested in at all and is already planned to release on xbox, don't release it on xbox'.

What MS have done with beth is actually worse though. They've said 'see that entire franchise that has millions of fans on multiple platforms, don't release any future games on other platforms'.

You see, when Sony does exclusives, they ADD to the pie. They approach devs from the very start and create something new to add to the industry. Where as MS simply cut out a piece of already existing pie and don't let anyone else have it. They take a game that's already halfway through development, sometimes games that have already been announced for other platforms, and block it coming to those platforms.

It's a very very simple concept to grasp, yet every single time this issue comes up I find myself having to explain it to ms apologists. So to answer your question, maybe you are too stupid to understand.

[DaveZero]

Like Sony have never done that.
I will take you back to the days of Sony first arriving and the way they aided in Sega not being able to operate anymore, they grabbed every damn deal they could up and forced Sega out as much as Sega made bad decisions.

So let's cut the fanboy crap of how Microsoft all of a sudden is the bad guy, you were not saying anything last Gen when Sony were grabbing up the deals and MS were playing second fiddle, you fanboys from the playstation side were laughing and loving it.

Now the tables have turned abit and it's a game many playstation fans enjoy, now it gets to you and you understand why many Xbox fans were last gen calling for an end to exclusivity and to allow cross platform to be more of a thing.

If fans actually stood side by side rather than doing this song and dance of console wars maybe console company's would be more inclined to not make these moves that affect the other side's.

[HardKnockKid24]

@ CaptainObvious878

Didn’t Spider-Man used to release on all platforms back in the day? Lol I only see it on PS now

[GottaBjimmyb]

@captainobvious How do you know that? You know that every game listed Sony paid for from day 1 before there was any product or team?
1. I highly doubt you know that
2. I highly doubt Sony is just giving blank checks to devs with no project development even started.
Also, MS is buying the studio, of course some projects are started, most of Sony's studios started as 3rd party devs, prpbably with projects in the works. I am not surprised to see the circles you require to run in to excuse your hypocrisy.

TBH, I could care less, I have all the consoles (I actually sold my Series X at launch because I had no use for it, ended up buying another recently) So I kinda could care less. I would be fine if everything went wherever honestly.

[GottaBjimmyb]

Also, how do you know MS hasn't been helping and funding these games up to this point? How do you know sStarfield or Indiana Jones were already in progress as exclusives anyway?

[CaptainObvious878]

@Dave

WTH are you talking about? Last gen MS was the one to buy up 3rd party timed exclusivity left right and center. Sony did it a little as well, but no where near as bad as MS. I called out both companies when they did.

@Gotta
When know how Sony natures and cultivates their relationships with developers, both 1st and 3rd party, because the devs themselves tell us.

Take Insomniac for example. They weren't just some random 3rd party team that has a long history of releasing games on both consoles. Sony didn't just buy them out of the blue, they've help publish their games for years now.

And obviously sony isn't just giving cheques to devs without first hearing their proposals and getting approval.

You know I could keep explaining this a 100 different ways, but I know all of you are going to be purposefully ignorant. ms is just an absolute cancer on gaming.

[THEMIGHTYDOOVDE]

It works for Nintendo and Sony. There is no reason why Microsoft cannot have a slice of the exclusive pie.

[chiefJohn117]

Yet Insomniac purchase was ok for you....

[HardKnockKid24]

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[badz149]

when will MS stop abusing the word "exclusive"?

[Gunstar75]

Look up the word in the dictionary.

"Limited to one person or group of people"

As long as something excludes a person or group of people then is can be "exclusive"

[iplay1up2]

I am glad I went with Series X first. 20 Bethesda games are coming to Game Pass. EA play is on Game Pass. There is a ton of great content on the service!

A lot of games have had and many will get Series X updates.

[CaptainHenry916]

I also expect the price to increase as well. I'll give it to the end of the year. $25-$30 dollars a month for gamepass will be profitable for Microsoft and the sweet spot (about $300-$360 a year). There's always a catch LOL. I just hope they don't increase the price for PC gamepass since it's inferior to the Xbox version

[alb1899]

I don't know about your expectations but I do know about those 70 dollars that you are paying for your PS5 games.

[ocelot07]

This is why I refuse to buy into gamepass. Currently I use there £1 for 1 month offer once it expires give it a day or so and they will offer it again.

£1 a month is fine that is absolutely noting to me lol. I refuse to pay the £8 a month on pc. When gamepass first came to pc it was only £4 a month then went to £8. It's Microsoft I honestly just don't trust them. Look what they tried to do with gold the other month. Also no longer doing 12 month a year suns anymore. They are trying to make gold look like a bad deal and are desperate for people to jump to gamepass ultimate.

As I said I'll stick to the £1 a month gamepass. If they ever stop that then games I do want for example Forza or Elder Scrolls I'll simply wait until they are cheap. For example 3rd party key sellers sell them for dirt cheap.

[monkey602]

A 360 dollar annual subscription is a sweet spot for you?! Just what meds are you on?

Even if you or myself would actually spend more on the games we buy in a year, At that price the vast majority of users would walk away.

[CaptainHenry916]

@Monkey

They have to make some money someway. It might even go higher than $30.

[darthv72]

you know... people keep saying the price of GP is going to go up and while that may eventually be the case... they spout it all the time recently as if when the day ever comes they can say "see... I told you so".

Just let is go Henry... you want to take credit for knowing the price will go up? you can have it. We ALL pretty much expect it to go up at some point. So you can give it a rest now.

[TheGreatGazoo30]

GamePass is already profitable.

[CaptainHenry916]

@Darth

If it makes you feel any better I have a feeling that Sony will announce their version of gamepass. I'm definitely not a fan of this but this looks like it's the future. The good news for me is that Sony and Microsoft is doing me a favor. I won't have to buy a console in the future. Everything is going to PC!!

[agnosticgamer]

It’s been stated multiple times that GamePass is already profitable for Microsoft. What they need is continued growth and additional subscribers... That is what these moves and acquisitions are about.

For a company like MS continued investment in its money is more important than having $100 billion sitting in a bank.

[Silly gameAr]

@alb1899

A one time fee of 70 bucks and I get to keep the game forever? Sounds like a deal to me.

[DaveZero]

Even if there was a little truth to what you say a playstation Owner could buy 6 games and that would be 420 dollars, where an Xbox player can just pay abit less than that and have an whole library of games.

While your off getting bored in some months from your 6 x 70 dollar games, an Xbox gamepass Owner can have twenty or maybe times more game time of content to go through for exactly that price you put in your post. Not only that but the library of games always see additions.

I'd rather have Gamepass than pay for full priced games, it's about choice for me and Xbox players certainly get choice.

[badz149]

@alb1899

you're acting like Sony's games will be at $70 forever. they will AT BEST be at $70 for 2 months maximum before dropping in prices in many places. or do you have a disease that all your games must be bought at launch or they are worthless many months later?? you must have nothing to play on Gamepass too, ha? aside form the ocassional new releases, there are just bunch of old games on there!

[Father__Merrin]

There's rumour ubisoft connect will be added to gamepass I think we may see a rise

[strifeblade]

People been saying that for a while. Hasn't happened.

[RgR]

And im glad that i havent bought either yet as it seems that the best approach is the wait and see.

BEthesda games on gamepass is great but i want new games not ones ive already played

[CaptainHenry916]

That's what I'm waiting for. Microsoft has to make profit some way. And what about Xbox Gold? Will that be included with gamepass in the future?

[TheGreatGazoo30]

@RgR and @CaptainHenry916.

NEW games come to GamePass all the time now, and all the Zenimax studio games will now too. GamePass is already profitable for Xbox (I'm too lazy to fund the interview when Spencer said that).

Xbox Gold is already a part of GamePass Ultimate. So for $15 a month I get GamePass, Xcloud, GamePass PC (Crusader Kings 3 is great), and Xbox Gold. That's $180 a year, or the price of 3 new games. I've already downloaded and played more than that this year and I've found I play far more games now than I did before GamePass. Costs me $0 extra to download and try a game so why not?

[CaptainHenry916]

@TheGreat

I guess you won't care about the upcoming price increase for gamepass 😁

[DaveZero]

Here we go, the whole I want new games lark, don't you feel bored you have to constantly say the same thing.

I know I feel bored as hell having to constantly state that playstation didn't get it's sweet looking games last gen just by putting together dev teams last gen, it took decades and years of moulding. If Microsoft and Xbox fans are patient which we are then the fruit of the labour will come soon enough.

Just so happens that the acquisition of Bethesda by MS is a statement to every Xbox Owners out there, that they are ready to be serious for us and do what it takes to make Xbox the place to be.

[RgR]

@TheGreat

Umm no. New games from xbox?? Which?
Ive already played Gears 5, Ori 2, The Medium....which new games are you referring to cuz I must not be seeing them.

[DOMination-]

What new games have Sony released? A remake of am old game and a Spiderman expansion?

[MrDead]

I want them to buy Ubisoft and Activision so they can lock all those multiplatform games behind a paywall too!

[ThePacemaker]

You have the mentality of a 6 years old child.

[DaveZero]

I agree Ubisoft as I enjoy The division and we'd then have there nee states game but not Activision, however I'd love Microsoft to buy Blizzard and ArenaNet, having Diablo and Guild wars would be wonderful indeed..

[DiRtY]

But but they need to recoup their investments....?

[PS-Gamer-1986]

I believe it is important for xbox to finally have a great lineup of exclusives again, so imo it is better for the brand if they keep these games console exclusive, but c'mon who would still take Mr Phil - 180 Degrees - Spencer's statements serious enough to say "but but......" lol

[waverider]

Do they?

[LegoIsAwesome]

Xbox have exclusives? Oh wait sorry, you mean console exclusive which is also available on PC which is where probably where most of its sales is gonna be? Yep. PC is looking to have a best games this upcoming years with Xbox as its sidekick.

[DaveZero]

Does certainly help Xbox have an identity alone just by having Bethesda.

[PS-Gamer-1986]

Legoisawesome

I you actually read my comment you could see that is wrote "I believe it is important for xbox to finally have a great lineup of exclusives AGAIN", ending the very same sentence with "so imo it is better for the brand if they keep these games console exclusive". So i don't see what your problem is.

Xbox lineup has been horrible for years and years and we all know phil probably won't release full blown exclusive for xbox anytime soon, so at least the brand could use better console exclusives.

[Redemption-64]

They do need to recoup their investment, as to how they do it, it's up to them. Do you really think investors are going to invest all that money without a plan to recoup the money they spent?

I guess the plan here is to compelle people who like those games, but are not in the Xbox ecosystem to make the switch. Personally the last Bethesda game i played was Fallout 4. Will miss it.

[DigitalDaniel]

When the news broke about this purchase "everyone" went out and said there's no way the games will be exclusive and "they need to recoup".

MS don't have to recoup anything by putting the games on Playstation. Something they have explained before and now doubled down on. And their numbers adds up and backs their claims.

Recoup argument is something people has been repeating over and over until they actually believe in it. Yes they do have investors, but they also have an enormous war chest with over 131 billion dollars in cash. Not net worth, but cash. Sony's whole worth is 123 billion dollars. They're not a 1.7 trillion dollar company like MS. So they have waaaay more wiggle room to do long plays. There's a reason why Playstation's CEO Jim Ryan said that going day and date with their games on PS Now service is not sustainable. Not because the model isn't sustainable, it's just not sustainable to THEM. They don't have the money or infrastructure to do it. Even the Playstation's cloud service is delivered by Microsoft.

When Microsoft said they don't need to put games on Sony's platform they meant it. In terms of economics these two companies are not playing anywhere in the same league. Microsoft's real competitors are Tencent, Google, Amazon, Netflix.

Seems like people are not taking into the account the full picture with the economy of these companies.
Something I see all the time from Sony fanboys who thinks Sony can buy EA, Ubisoft etc. They don't have that kind of coin. That's just the reality of it.

[Redemption-64]

@DigitalDaniel
Am sorry, what does Sony's networth have to do with this? MS is the richest out of the big three, but it's not because of Xbox. Even with all their money, Sony remains the market leader. Hell when talking strictly about revenue in gaming, MS is in 4th place, following by Nintendo in 3rd, Tencent games in second and Sony in 1st.
You seemed hurt. Are you ok?

MS is company, in business to make money. Do you seriously think they will invest billions of cash into something without a way to recoup that investment? Weather they keep the games on Playstation or remove them in hopes those users switch to Xbox are both viable strategies to recoup their investment. Just because you are sitting on cash doesn't mean you don't want to recoup your investments. And even with all that cash, Sony remains the market leader, by a country mile.

[Father__Merrin]

It's still not exactly clear he says even in the future other platforms will be supported due to legacy etc.

But all current obligations will be met so that means starfield and elderscrolls will be on PlayStation. They have been in development for ages they won't just cancel the work they have done

[Orchard]

I believe current obligations refers to signed exclusivity contracts (e.g. Death Loop & GhostWire). Typically if a game is coming to a platform, but with no exclusivity, no contract has been signed between the platform holder & the developer/publisher beyond that of being a registered developer for the platform.

[Father__Merrin]

What about current development of starfield and elderscrolls for PS5 do they now just cancel it all. I'd imagine all the licencing etc had been in place for years for these games?

Unless I hear of a cancellation of development on PlayStation I'm assuming they will release on ps5

[IRetrouk]

I'm not sure, he mentions contracts and games already out first and then says even in the future they might release games with legacy on other platforms, that points to new games not made yet from existing ips, does it not🤔, this is my issue with ms, they are never 100% upfront and honest🤷‍♂️ just make them xbox ecosystem exclusive and be done with it lol.

“There’s contractual obligations that we’re going to see through as we always do in every one of these instances. We have games that exist on other platforms, and we’re going to go support these games on the platforms they’re on. There’s communities of players. We love these communities and we’ll continue to invest in them. And even in the future, there might be things that have, either contractual things or legacy on different platforms that we’ll go do."

[Tedakin]

Oh won't they?

[nibblo]

You might be right with Starfield if they are close to releasing that game but very doubtful on Elderscrolls as that is far from being complete. Personally I think both will be exclusive.

[JackBNimble]

Games get canceled that have been in development all the time.
Why wouldn't they cancel ps5 edition's ? It's a good strategy for MS and fans of these games are either going to have to buy an xsx or go to pc.

This pushes hardware for MS and maybe they can take back some of that market share.

[Father__Merrin]

At 09:24 https://youtu.be/YJneU_qBMP... he says and even in the future there may be contractual things and legacy things on different platform that they will go and do? What does that mean

[JackBNimble]

I'm talking about outside of any contractual obligation

[Knightofelemia]

Big talk we shall see when the games start coming out and how Microsoft handles those titles again it's still to early to figure out how Microsoft will manage and run the Zenimax studios and games.

[crazyCoconuts]

Right. It's not like ol Phil hasn't been known to change his mind once in a while. Nothing is set in stone, and who knows what the landscape will look like by the time the next Elder Scrolls is ready

[masterfox]

the only way MS was able to have more exclusives is by buying them from others lol, Im sure lots of people will be happy for this while it last, but the success of this gaming industry is not built around those exclusives imo.

[DOMination-]

For years, Xbox has been derided for having no games and Sony lauded for their exclusive content. It matters. A lot.

[Orchard]

My guess here is rather than outright saying "they are exclusive", MS hid it behind the "only on GamePass platforms" wording to look better and be able to say "not our fault, Sony/Nintendo won't let us bring GamePass to their platform".

There's really no loss in wording it that way - either MS gets to blame the other companies, or the other companies cave and allow GamePass.

[potedude]

I'm on PlayStation and PC, and we don't have PSNOW in Australia. If I could have GamePass on PlayStation I'd subscribe in a heartbeat - there's some great games on there.

[RgR]

Yup. For $1 I have already played:

Gears 5, Ori 2, The Medium, and Hellblade.

All these games I hadnt gotten to before. Now I played them all for $1 and I still have weeks left to play more...such as Unto the End.

Ill probably wait for future console exclusives to appear...at least 3-4 so that I can buy the other $1 trail for ultimate gamepass and play all those....its definitely a good deal for any gamer if theyre smart about it.

It would be hilarious and sad at the same time if i get to play all xbox console exclusives on my laptop for $1 ...well maybe $2

[isarai]

Still vague, but we'll see

[MrBeatdown]

I can't wait to play all the games on Xbox that I could have played on Xbox if I wanted to anyway.

So exciting.

[enkiduxiv]

As long as I can at least purchase the games on PC, I am happy. Microsoft has to do what it can to stay competitive with Sony. The second I actually have to subscribe to GamePass, I'm out. I don't like being bullied into something I don't personally approve of. I can live without Bethesda RPGs but losing Obsidian will hurt.

I guess in about ten years or so most of the talented Devs that work for these company's will have jumped ship. This seems to be why Microsoft lacked quality content last gen. They have a habit of scaring away good devs (like Remedy) probably for the same reasons EA loses so much talent.

[TheGreatGazoo30]

Why are you so against GamePass. It's an insane value for gamers. Why pay $60+ for a game when you can get all the games $10-15 a month? If you're an avid gamer it's an incredible deal. If you play COD and 1 other game per year only, then sure, not a money saver.

[MrBeatdown]

Game Pass isn't a replacement for buying games, just like Netflix isn't a replacement for going to the movies and buying DVDs.

[DaveZero]

Because it's a fanboy thing to hate what they don't Own.

[enkiduxiv]

I don’t want lots of cheap/free games. Look
At how many of those are out there already.
I want to pay for good games.

GamePass is only going to remain a good value in the short term. It’s not a sustainable business model, even for a mega corporation like Microsoft. You simply can’t expect them to make expensive triple AAA titles every single month and only charge a cheap monthly subscription for them. Games like Red Dead Redemption and the Last of Us only happen after years of development and 100s of millions of dollars of investment. Do you really expect Microsoft to give you two or three or those for ten dollars a month? That would be crazy.

Either we will watch Microsoft hoard all of the best developers and have them spoon feed us content at a rate that makes them money or they will force all those developers to cut corners and monetize everything, like EA and Ubisoft already do.

If Microsoft bought Bethesda to sell its consoles, I would be fine with it. If a game came out that I had to have I would find a way to get it.

What I am worried about is this new game Microsoft is playing. They couldn’t compete with Sony and Nintendo so they will bully them out of business by ruining the industry as we know it.

[waverider]

because services arent build for quality games. Microsoft already as shown that. And because the price 10 or 15 wont be enough. This buy just shows that Microsoft isnt able to create quality games and enough to bring more gamers to gamepass. Now they are taking games that dont have any kind of connection with Microsoft from other gamers. This isnt like buying a Studio that got a long history with Microsoft. This is just monopoly and i believe Microsoft wont stop here.

[Tedakin]

I wasn't pro Gamepass at the start. I wanted to own all my games, etc. Then I did the 1 dollar deal where I got a year by converting my remaining Gold. It changed my mind. Any games I want to own, I still can and I buy. I bought Ori and the Will of the Wisps recently even though it's on Gamepass. I wanted to own it cause I love those games, and I got it at a massive discount. 9.99, normally 29.99. I don't see a downside at all as long as you always have the option to own the games you want to own.

[enkiduxiv]

I can’t argue with you about the current value. At the end of the day people should go out and get the games they want for as cheap as they can.

Even if you can elect to buy the games, most people won’t. If Microsoft conquers the industry with this service, future devs will have no choice but adapt their method of game design to the new model. How do you make money as a third party developer if Microsoft takes away a huge chunk of your sales. I’m willing to bet they won’t be making lucrative offers to the little guys once their service has a stranglehold on distribution.

Netflix may not be a replacement for going to the movies, but the movie industry sure hasn’t looked good since Netflix changed how people watch things.

[Youngindy21]

Game over Sony. Game over. No but in all seriousness this is a huge acquisition. That said, even though I have a Series X, I'll probably still buy a PS5 because of PSVR 2. Now if Xbox were to get a VR headset, that would change things.

[DaveZero]

Not bothered in VR never have been, I like my games played with a controller without something daft attached to my head.

[Silly gameAr]

Blogs on N4G are really milking the hell out of this, huh?

[DEEHULK88]

That family video was nice.
https://youtu.be/Z41PFI6KVK...

[CobraKai]

I dunno why people thought that Bethesda games wouldn’t be exclusive.

[UltimateRacer]

Maybe from the fact that there on every platform already and the fact Spencer himself said exclusives weren’t important, that MS isn’t about taking games away from other platforms.

[marinelife9]

I played morrowind on PC back in the day and fallout 2. Played Skyrim and loved it but those are the only Bethesda games I’ve played. Will buy deathloop

[Jobu]

Wonder if Sony will create new games to compete with Bethesda's library, like a Sony version of Fallout or Elder Scrolls would be interesting done by the right team

[UltimateRacer]

It’s one of the worst things to happen to the industry this deal, locking people out of platforms that Bethesda’s games were already on is so scummy and why did Phil lie about exclusives not being important last year if this is what he would do to people. It’s baffling that people think this is great for the industry when all it does is cause a monopoly of western RPGs for MS. I thought MS was all about being consumer friendly and reaching as many players as possible yet they lock there games away to players who have supported Bethesda for years on PlayStation,Nintendo. Zenimax should have been left alone as should all major game developers, it ruins the industry and lessens consumer choice.

[Phantom68]

I never bought an Xbox as I am a PlayStation user and love the type of exclusives we get on PS4/PS5 but I do have a high-end PC and that allows me, should I choose to, to play Zenimax games.
However, I recognize game pass is a very good deal hence why I got it on PC.
What this deal has done is creating more competition for Sony which has had it pretty good so far.
Now that Microsoft is the RPG powerhouse Sony would need to either look at their own studios to create compelling RPG or acquire studios that can develop open-world RPG if they want to compete in that area.
I am not a Bethesda fan however I have played and completed Skyrim, played the first Dishonored, and also the various Doom games that have released over the years. I appreciate because I have a high spec PC I still have option vs those who only own a PS5 and are fans of Bethesda/Zenimax. In the end, as I said, if it drives competition up it can only be a good thing.
One thing seems to be clear though, given both Microsoft and Sony are releasing games on PC and Sony is planning to release more it looks like PC may become the main gaming platform to play everything.

[ocelot07]

I agree owning a PC for games is probably essential when it comes to games. It's a shame right now it's really hardy to go and build s gaming pc even using second hand parts. Due to cpu and GPU shortages. Here in the UK cex for years up until 6 months ago was the place to go for second hand graphics cards. They had thousands of different GPUs from recently released to ones released 5-10 years ago. But at the time of writing they have 6 available to buy with the best one being a overpriced gtx 1069 3gb.

But anyways once gpu stock is sorted I honestly think a gaming pc is a must have these days. As you said with ALL Microsoft games being available for pc as well as gamepass being so cheap (for now).

Also with some (not all) Sony games appearing on pc. Pc should be the go to platform in my opinion.

[ocelot07]

What is it with MS and there wording. So once the deal was finalised they said that there will be some pc and Xbox exclusive games.

Phill is saying there will be exclusive to gamepass games. So if your platform supports gamepass you will get these "exclusives". Ok that's just another clever way of saying some exclusive pc and Xbox games as they both have gamepass.

Why didn't he just say yer future elder Scrolls and Fallout titles will be Xbox and pc only?

To me it comes off as there will be exclusive to gamepass games. But not all will be.

Until Phill or Microsoft come out and say these games will not be coming to playstation or Nintendo. I won't be paying attention to what they say.

I remember pubg they where saying it was a console exclusive. Even put it on the box. A few people guessed it was for early access only but the majority believed it was fully he console exclusive.

[Father__Merrin]

I think you will find there's a few vocal die hard fans that latch onto anything for the sole purpose of n4g argumentation.