Outriders to Run at 4K 60fps on Next-Gen Except for Series S, Last-Gen & Series S to Be at 30fps

People Can Fly has detailed the Outriders frame rate for next-gen and last-gen consoles! PS5 & Xbox Series X are at 4K, 60fps, though not the Series S.

[RaidenBlack]

Why not give the PS4 Pro and One X a lower resolution, 60fps option?

[waverider]

Because graphics sell and not frames. Its a problem, but the reality.

[RaidenBlack]

I am saying as an option. Users who want 60fps can choose the performance option and users who want 4K can choose the high res option.

[Nitrowolf2]

Options never hurt tbh, but i suspect more than just resolution needs to be sacrificed

[LOGICWINS]

Not sure why you're getting disagrees. That's accurate. Most people value graphics over frames....sadly.

[Angyobangyo]

You missed the point of what Raiden stated. The OPTION of 60fps. Nioh did this offering lowering graphical effects for a higher stable framerate or effects on locked at 30.

If graphics is what sells a game then the Switch would have been a monumental failure.

@ZeroBlue, that is quite possibly the dafted statement yet. Treating consoles gamers as dimwits. Consoles gamers have expectations especially with the new gen of systems. A lot more console gamers care about games running at 60fps nowadays than ever before. This was less so a few generations back. The reality you paint is false and a lie. If consoles gamers didn't care about performance improvements with their games they wouldn't need to care about upgrading the newer systems.

[ABizzel1]

The main problem I see is that the Series S is 1080p in comparison to the PS4 Pro and One X being 4K. It might be using a next-gen version, but that still comes off as a huge WHY, when the GPU in the Series S is at worse on par with PS4 Pro, but 9/10 better.

I assume PS4 Pro and One X are Dynamic 4K@30 low-med, Series S is 1080p@30 med-high, and PS5 / Series X are 4K@60 med-high

[DJStotty]

@Abizzell

"The main problem I see is that the Series S is 1080p in comparison to the PS4 Pro and One X being 4K."

Not sure how you could perform a technological miracle and get a Series S to output at 4K, when the maximum resolution is 1440p?

You must be the second coming of christ.

The Series S is not for 4K gamers, how long will it take to realise the Series S is simply a 1440p machine that plays the same games as Series X.

Series S : Max res 1440p @ 120fps
Series X : Max res 4K @ 120fps

The problem will be eradicated once we get games that are playable on the Series S, and unable to run on the Xbox One X (which by the way, you can no longer buy from retail).

If you want games to output at 4K, you would not have bought the Series S, you would opt for the Series X.

[ABizzel1]

DJShotty

The Series S can natively support 4K HDR outputs which is what streaming apps support, and Ori and the will of the wisp support 4K @ 60fps on the Series S, so the second coming of Christ has already occurred apparently. And even going back to your limited knowledge was 100% factual it should have at least been 1440p @ 30fps upscaled, not 1080p.

https://www.orithegame.com/...

Please don’t @ me when the only technological knowledge you have comes from what a company feeds you.

The 1440p is the max targeted recommended resolution, but that doesn't mean that a GPU cannot perform above the targeted resolution. RX 580's are now recommended for 1080p, that doesn't take away from the fact that it can still play less demanding and older games at Native 4K.

You can purposely attempt to limit a GPU to specific resolutions, but that does not prevent the GPU from pushing above in games where the GPU isn’t stressed. The “1440p max resolution” is false marketing to inform customers such as yourself who have limited hardware knowledge, that the Series X is simply more powerful via a numerical value.

So once again as I said, it makes no sense that the Series S version is purposely that much lower than the PS4 Pro version when both GPUs are in the same ballpark in terms of rasterization unless the Series S is running a higher graphics setting in comparison, considering the game is coming to PC (the API would easily allow a higher graphics setting for the Series S and X).

[excaliburps]

That's honestly not a bad idea. Maybe they have their reasons. That said, most devs choose higher fidelity than 60fps. I think they assume reglar gamers can't discern the differences between 30fps and 60fps?

[Timzster]

Pretty much to give a reason to get the next-gen versions. Even if it were possible, they probably want to justify the different ports.

[iplay1up2]

The Xbox consoles you automatically get the version for whatever system you are playing it on. My Series X automatically gets the updates for games optimized for it.

[Orchard]

This. It's pretty hard going back to 30 after playing so many games at 60. When the true next gen games appear and are 30fps 'cinematic experiences', it will be rough.

[Amplitude]

@orchard:

Yeah for real. I'm SO hoping Ratchet and Clank has a 60fps option. That's the whole reason I grabbed a ps5 and I really really dislike playing the 30fps Ratchet games. They feel terrible compared to the 60 ones.

After Spiderman had such fantastic options I have faith they'll have a 60fps mode in Ratchet too though.

Any mutliplats that are 30fps on console and any multiplat games that have dlss support on pc are 100% games I'm gonna be picking up on pc this gen sadly. Bloody hate digital downloads but so be it - I aint messin with 30fps anymore. So over it lol

[CantThinkOfAUsername]

Because it takes a lot of optimisation to get stable 60 on older consoles.

[dp277407]

It's a CPU issue also isn't it ? Gpu handles resolution mostly and CPU (Jaguar) handles the image refresh this being very basic explanation

[Orchard]

Yes, it's a CPU issue too - systems like AI, physics, cameras, input, general gameplay etc. run on the CPU and have to be updated at the same rate as the rendering.

So you're effectively having to render everything twice as fast (on the GPU), but also run the entire game logic twice as fast since the GPU needs the above systems data to be available so that it knows what to render, which is equally demanding on the CPU.

[eddieistheillest]

Bro just upgrade. If you can't just wait. It's simple.

[FreeFallFrenzy]

The CPUs are so bad even in those beefed up last-gen consoles that they probably can't even compute 60fps without humongous sacrifices to graphics and resolution. I'm so glad they went with great CPUs this time around!

[badz149]

Achieving high res is easier than to maintain high fps and it's the case with these enhanced last gen consoles.

[_LarZen_]

Because of the old mobile CPU..

[Kaze88]

If it barely runs 1080p 30fps, who the fuck would want to play 720p or lower with 60fps. fking no one.

[NobleRed]

The Jaguar CPU sucks. That's why

[waverider]

For all that say that bandwith, ram,, gpu isnt a problem.... that the s is next gen and not cross gen... Well... This is scary.

[Orchard]

It's hardly scary if it's running next-gen games, just at a lower resolution.

[LucasRuinedChildhood]

... And at half the frame rate.

[Orchard]

Right, but the game is still the same next-gen game with the same gameplay/content. No different from buying a PC game and running it on a lower end laptop and then running it on your high end gaming rig. Same game, just different performance.

[Angyobangyo]

What the point of it being "next-gen" when the performance is on par with last-gen systems?

[Orchard]

@Angyobangyo Because new generations are about new games, new experiences and new types of gameplay - not about performance. MGS4 is one of my favorite games and it barely hits 30fps nevermind 60fps - but it doesn't detract from it being a great game that is fun to play.

If I have a 1080p TV, or I only game occasionally / this is a secondary device, or I game on a monitor or the console is for my kid who plays Fortnite and Minecraft - why should I fork out $499 for a 4K console that I won't get the benefit of when I can spend $299 and get the same next-gen games?

Not everyone who plays video games is a hardcore tech enthusiast with the latest and greatest everything. In fact, a lot of gamers are casual or on a budget.

[ABizzel1]

This is a console not a PC. It's a problem. Consoles are about parity. We shouldn't be having two console sunder the same ecosystem with dramatically differnet framerates espeically in multiplayer games.

Resolution is bad enough, but a 4x resolution boost gives a slight competitive edge to long-range games (shooters), but adding a 2x fps boost on top of that is a problem.

[DJStotty]

@waverider

"For all that say that bandwith, ram,, gpu isnt a problem.... that the s is next gen and not cross gen... Well... This is scary."

I think you misunderstand technology, games will be released that utilise the next-gen capabilities, SSD, higher pool of RAM, better CPU etc etc, this will simply make games not possible to run on last-gen hardware, but able to run on the Series S.

So far xbox has only released 1 game that fits this bill, The Medium, tell me, what resolution does that run on the Xbox One X?

It's simple, the S is a next-gen console as it will be capable of playing the next gen games.

[waverider]

Dude, it doesnt have a higher pool of RAM. It got less. The console wont be able to run games like the X and the ps5. Its not next gen when it runs a 1080p. Its worse then the pro and the one x on this game. Much worse. Everything that runs on the S can also run on last gen consoles... The S is not a next gen console is a cross gen. Only buying the X or ps5 will You get a next gen experience and it will only get worse... It lacks in every aspect except cpu.

[Atom666]

I hope their correction helped ease your fears a bit. I know it was awful "scary" and all...

[SPEAKxTHExTRUTH]

Lol good one

[Destiny1080]

Xbox Series S 1080p 30fps, the same as the base PS4

[Software_Lover]

I don't agree with the Series S, but I'm sure the situation is not as cut and dry as that.

Effects, more stable frame rates, loading times, etc all have to be taken into account.

I do understand though that at the end of the day the 1080p is what everyone sees and it was a bad idea by Microsoft IMHO to build that console.

[Father__Merrin]

i feel series s can do much much more it might be gimped to make a big enough of a gap between the X

[AngelicIceDiamond]

Naw the S is just incapable. Might as well get the game on PS5 or X Series.

[RangerWalk267]

I think Microsoft should put a little more emphasis on how the Series S is still playing next gen only games. Sure it's playing cross-gen games at the level of the pro and one x... But that's probably due to the developer not wanting to make a 3rd version of the code. Having to make a game for current and last gen is enough work. I'm sure the S will shine a bit more once last gen gets cut off the rotation. Which I'm sure will be sooner than people once thought.

[ABizzel1]

It's probably a higher setting. PS4, XBO, PS4 Pro, and XBO X are probably using low-med, while Series S, PS5, and Series X are using a med-high setting.

Still 1080p when the last-gen pro consoles are aiming for 4K or Dynamic 4K is a slap in the face.

[Tacoboto]

Halo MCC and Gears 5 run at 120fps on Series S. 1080p resolution.

To have a performance delta 1/8th of Series X and PS5 is not consistent with any new-gen experience. Hitman 3 is 4k60fps on the big guys but still hits 1080p60 on Series S. Even AC Valhalla has a 60fps option on it.

[DJStotty]

Series S can not output at 4K, so people saying "it should be 4K, not 1080p", it is technically impossible

[Tacoboto]

The Series S can and does output 4K video signals. Stop fake-newsing it, DJ.

And would you look at that quick update, Outriders is actually 4k60 on Series S too.

[DJStotty]

"It’s important to also note that while the Series S shares resolution and fps of the lower end consoles, this does not mean that it’s running on the same settings as those consoles. We won’t know for sure until tomorrow, but the game could very well be running with improved textures, shadows, etc. that are present on the Series X."

So same res as base consoles, but with improved shadows and textures, i.e. next-gen assets

P.S. the maximum resolution output of a Series S is 1440p, so they have nearly hit the peak resolution.

[Rdeal]

the max res is 4k not 1440p they just limit it to 1440p

[Tacoboto]

Mortal Shell Enhanced Edition is getting 4K60fps on Series X and PS5.

Series S is getting... 4K30fps.

And to top that off, my Series S is set to 4K120hz output. It'll play media in 4K. The 1080p 120hz output option won't do HDR either, oddly. The Falconeer exceeds 1440p and Ori runs at 4K60fps.

[JEECE]

No, this must be wrong. I've been told that if you say the magic words "1440p console" and "scalability," RAM and GPU issues will cease to exist, and games will run exactly the same on Series S as they do on Series X, just at a lower resolution.

[waverider]

Its PR talk. Everybody knows that is a lie. It take tons of work and studios wont do that. Much less with the console where they make less money. Its not just less ram, its much slower ram, much, much less horsepower then the true next gen console.

[OB1Biker]

You forgot much less SSD space.

[Atom666]

Well you were partially right, it was wrong.

Don't feel bad. I'm sure you'll get those pesky xbox fans next time!

[JEECE]

Well played.

[Saijahn]

It's pr talk the naysayers say, meanwhile the devs issued a correction today. It actually runs at 60fps same as ps5 and xsx.

People be quick to run with anything that make the Xbox look bad but be silent when the facts come out, crazy

[JEECE]

Lol I acknowledged I was wrong before you commented. It's literally right above your comment.

[Hellcat2020]

Will be playing ps5 demo later today

[Iceman X]

Interesting Series S 1080/30, PS4 Pro 4K/30 and One X 4K/30. Why even bother with Series S if last gen can out do it.....

[Orchard]

"Why even bother with Series S if last gen can out do it"

It's sort of obvious no? Most developers will stop making games for the last-gen consoles in the next year or so.

Additionally, there will be experiences on PS5/XSX/XSS that simply cannot run on a PS4/XB1 due to slower CPU's, lack of SSD's, etc.

[DJStotty]

I like you Orchard, your comments always are on point, and factually correct.

I think people are just using this as the next "in thing" to use in the fanboy wars.

It's been a while since i have heard "no 1st party studios" or "xbox has no gamezzz" lol

[AngelicIceDiamond]

The S has new specs but clocked lowered. The only benefit you're getting is quicker loading. The S is the biggest loser with this game.

[DJStotty]

@Iceman X

"Why even bother with Series S if last gen can out do it....."

The Series S is marketed at non-4K gamers, and has a maximum output of 1440p. Xbox One X is no longer available to buy, and the Series S has higher quality textures, shadows, faster load times, assets etc over the last gen of consoles.

The Series S plays the same games as the Series X, and these games will not be available on Xbox One or Xbox One X.

Why not bother with it?

[Rimeskeem]

I would really enjoy a 1080P, 120Hz setting or higher. I feel like many people are now playing on higher hz monitors rather than large 4k TVs. Maybe just me. Some people just don't need above 1080P especially when sitting so close to the monitor.

[anast]

Series S is a piece.

[cell989]

Of

[oof46]

Plastic.

[OB1Biker]

That

[Orchard]

Runs the game at 4K 60 😂

[sweendog]

1080/30fps is just lazy on the series S. Maybe they know it's aimed at casuals so they didn't bother. It has a better CPU, more ram, higher clockspeed GPU and higher bandwidth than the pro. If the pro is hitting 4k/30fps, 1440/30fps or even 60fps should be possible on the series S.

[DJStotty]

The Series S can not output at 4K

The Series S version has higher quality assets over the Xbox One X/PS4 Pro, hence the reduction in resolution.

[Rdeal]

Tell that to Ori The Will Of The Wisps it runs at 4k 60fps on the series S

[DJStotty]

Great example of a game.

So by that example your calling the Series X a 6K console? Seeing as though the output of Ori on the series X has a 6K option right?

"Moon Studios confirmed this week Series X will have a mode that renders the game at 6K resolution"

https://www.windowscentral....

You could probably get solitaire running in 4K on the PS2/OG Xbox

Edit :

"doesn't matter about the game you was saying it cannot output 4k i was correcting you and if the Xbox X can do 4k 30 so can the Series S because it is a lot more powerful"

From the manufacturers of Series S :

"The primary difference between the two consoles is that the Xbox Series X displays games at native 4K, comes equipped with a UHD Blu-ray Disc player, and 1 TB of customised SSD storage. Xbox Series S is designed for disc-free gaming at 1440p (with the ability to upmarket to 4K), with a customised 512GB SSD. And, of course, they're priced differently. Both consoles have the option to expand available customised storage via the Seagate Storage Expansion Card."

Source : https://support.xbox.com/en...

Is Ori Native 4K? Or is it upscaled or using a different rendering technique? Note "(with the ability to upmarket to 4K)"

[Rdeal]

doesn't matter about the game you was saying it cannot output 4k i was correcting you and if the Xbox X can do 4k 30 so can the Series S because it is a lot more powerful

[sweendog]

I didn't say the series S version should be 4k. It should be 1440 and could do that with ease given the specs

[RgR]

I think they got part of the headline right.

Next gen consoles run it at 60.
Last gen consoles run it lower...this includes the last gen series s.

[Visceral89]

Series S taking a huge L

[blackblades]

Imagine if they discontinued it and who ever bought it get screwed because of it.

[StarLink]

Your comment taking a huge L after the recent update regarding this game.

[S2Killinit]

Series S is not a next gen console. Its just to bolster MS’s numbers.

[DJStotty]

Nice, a last-gen console playing next-gen games?

What is this wizardry???

[OpenGL]

All one of them?

[Orchard]

This didn’t age well - 4K60 is definitely next gen.

[S2Killinit]

Come now, its not like this is the first game that performs subpar on the series S, and it wont be the last.

[Magatsuhi]

Okay what about current Gen tho? I don't even know when ps6 will release.

[BeRich233]

Series S was a mistake. They should have just made an all digital Series X for 400$ and it would have sold out just like all the new consoles are selling out. Big L on microsofts part.

[DJStotty]

Answer me this?

Question : "I only have a 1080p TV, and have no plans for a new TV anytime soon. Also i want an all digital console, what are my options?"

Retail clerk : "Well you can get a Series S for £249.99, or a PS5DE for £359.99, both will output 3rd party games at a max resolution for your TV at 1080p."

That is why it is not a mistake, people with 4K sets, will either buy Series X/PS5/PS5DE.

The majority of gamers are still rocking 1080p TV sets, just like myself, i bought the Series X as i am planning to upgrade to a 4K set once the price drops below £1000.

Most people with 4K, probably do not even realise their sets only output at a maximum 60hz (60fps).

[CBaoth]

DJ you're so hung up on proving the max resolution of Series S you've missed the forest through the trees. Series S, while it can play new gen games, they perform with last gen specs. Series S should be doing everything that big brother can do, just at 1080/1440p. So in this instance 1080p/60 FPS.

As an example, Destiny 2's MP, Crucible, is unfair for PS4 owners going up against PS5 users. The FPS disparity is common in PC gaming but absolutely shouldn't exist on consoles. Thankfully this shouldn't be as much of a problem since this is more co-op than PvP. But the point remains. What happens if the next BF is only 30 FPS on S while on X is 60?

Using your analogy, the retail clerk should be recommending buying the game on the old gen systems or perhaps a new TV to take advantage of the next gen. Why pay for a more expensive system when the old ones output the IP at the exact same settings? (This was Resolutiongate 2013 in a nutshell) If the consumer doesn't have a 4K set by now, watching programs/playing games most likely isn't a priority in their life anyway. I'd suggest they spring an extra $150 for a decent 4K TV that they'll use way more than a last gen console with a next gen pricetag

[Locutus_of_borg]

I bought a series s as I was unable to get my hands on a series x , and to be fair, I’m more than happy with it, so much so that I’m not even in a rush anymore to buy a series x ... I sold my Xbox one x to help fund the purchase and I’ve not had one single regret ... a lot of folk will never accept the series s , and that’s fine, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
One thing I do find amusing is the narrative about how the series s will hold back next gen games, in this instance, it hasn’t held nothing back and I guess some of those who have no intention of purchasing one still feel the need to complain ... Me personally , I’d like to see the game in action side by side against the other versions before I make my mind up

[ABizzel1]

And That Digital PS5, and even non-digital PS5 and Series X will also allow you to play all those games in 1080p, super-sampled down to your resolution, with the option for 60fps modes, whereas the Series S is stuck with 30fps in games such as this one. Then you have the Series S games where resolution drops to 900p, 720p, and rare cases lower so your 1080p TV standard isn't even a good standard to go by.

So your point is still mute.

[BeRich233]

For 1080p gaming there is a console for you, its called the Xbox One!

[green]

Lol at everyone dragging Series S after the article update. Always so quick to hate on something you don't own or those not bother you in the slightest. Tells more about you on the inside than anything else.

[Hikoran]

Very excited for the demo today!

[Class_Viceroy]

Can’t even get the enhancements on the Series S...shows that console version is pointless. No point in getting it if you have a One S/X. I know it’s still more powerful, but these developers aren’t going to risk bad performance designing for it, and are going to treat it like a last-gen.

I applaud People Can Fly though for making this game playable on all consoles with cross play and look forward to supporting this game. The fact they are releasing a demo also with about 3 hours of play time and you can play all classes and carryover all progress gives me confidence that this game will be decent. I just get the feeling that they out a lot of love into this game

[StarLink]

Well your first paragraph didn't age well. Game will be playing at 4K/60fps according to the developer.

[Watchyabackbai84]

When does demo drop?