Immortals Fenyx Rising Runs At Locked 4K On PS5, Dynamic 4K On Xbox Series X

According to an analysis, Immortals Fenyx Rising appears to run slightly better on the PS5. Both new generation consoles offer similar performance.

[RaidenBlack]

VG Tech:
"PS5 in Performance Mode uses a dynamic resolution with the highest native resolution found being 3840x2160 and the lowest native resolution found being approximately 2275x1280.
Xbox Series X in Performance Mode uses a dynamic resolution with the highest native resolution found being 3840x2160 and the lowest native resolution found being 1920x1080."
...
"The only resolution found on PS5 in Quality Mode was 3840x2160.
Xbox Series X in Quality Mode uses a dynamic resolution with the highest native resolution found being 3840x2160 and the lowest native resolution found being approximately 3328x1872. Drops in resolution below 3840x2160 on Xbox Series X in Quality Mode seem to be uncommon."

[Will_b]

"The draw distance is slightly higher in Series X, also, there seems to be some issues with the shadows on PS5 in quality mode."

"ElAnalistaDeBits" - https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[Will_b]

I didn't write an oppinion. Why this downvotes? Please talk with "ElAnalistaDeBits" and express your feelings...

[Duke19]

lol at your downvotes - so they turned some settings down on the PS5 to get it to run at locked 4k. Anything that looks like even a hint of "slander" against Playstation on N4G gets met with downvotes

[RaidenBlack]

"welcome to N4G"

[Will_b]

@Duke19 But I only quoted a source!!! How is it possible??!! Am I wrong?? did I write an oppinion?? Just Quoted a source and get downvotes...

But in this same article, repling @boing1 I wrote "I have an Xbox Series X but I have to admit it, PS5 it is a really good optimised machine." that is in fact an oppinion and I only get Upvotes...

Sorry for my poor English...

[Elwenil]

Relax, they are downvotes not bullets. It's not that serious.

[Popsicle]

Really the best thing to do is let it roll off your back, laugh about it, and don't take it personal. No matter how factual the info, you will always get disagrees from those who cannot see past their bias. No worries, just post and have fun!

[Btf_1991]

Lol at downvotes. Don’t worry about it

[RazzerRedux]

Probably because you are highlighting a single piece of information as if it is the most important.

See what happens? You've got Duke19 make stupid comments like:

"so they turned some settings down on the PS5 to get it to run at locked 4k. "

He pulled that out of his ass and he knows it. As far as anyone knows, the "shadows issue" is just a bug.

[Army_of_Darkness]

@Will_b

Well, there was a lot more positive feedback than negative towards the ps5 in this performance test and yet, you decide to quote only the negative aspect of the overall result?? Hmmm.. thumbs might not have went down as much if you quoted both positive and negative. Just an assumption...

[denawayne]

@Will_b watch this

XBOX IS BETTER THAN PS!

[Artemidorus]

They won't like that on here, you told the truth.

[Sayai jin]

Elwenil, true. Neither is the make believe console war, but that doesn't stop people from acting like fools.

[TheProblem]

Maybe it’s because you linked to some obscure channel to support your agenda

VG tech and nxgamer are the best at game analysis.

[potatoseal]

Only pathetic insecure idiots complain about downvotes. There are a few on both sides of the fence

[Mr Pumblechook]

@Will_b Don’t cry about downvotes! There’s no rhyme or reason. Even if you say the sun is hot somebody will downvote you! You don’t need anyone’s approval just say what you gotta say.

[Babadook7]

"Maybe it’s because you linked to some obscure channel to support your agenda

VG tech and nxgamer are the best at game analysis."

Thats probably it. And quoted only the Pro Xbox bits.

[gamer7804]

Well this is n4g. Just look below you’ll see some Same old characters who downvote anything not pro Sony or the folks that will try to appear unbiased but really are pushing a pro Sony narrative. We are going to continue to see wildly varying results and implementations this early on in the generation as developers learn the hardware.

[anubusgold]

And this game is having a hard time running at a locked 60 at native 4k on a Rtx 3080 its the games fault maybe with DLSS it will be better. 1440P it runs near 120 fps i rather have that .

[RazzerRedux]

@gamer7804

But we have "characters" like you who push the pro Xbox narrative as well. So? That's fine. But why pretend this is one-sided or that downvotes only work one way?

Frankly, I have no idea why downvotes are ever even discussed. They are completely anonymous so why try to derive meaning or make blanket statements about them at all. Just silly.

[tontontam0]

"so they turned some settings down on the PS5 to get it to run at locked 4k. "

Yeah ms should just lower their pride and copy ps5 graphics settings to get a locked 4k. the difference in graphics quality is negligible

[Extermin8or3_]

I didn't vote you up or down. Infact I just ignored your comment initially. Not because I think you are wrong but because you linked to some obscure YouTube channel I don't know, have never heard of and am not about to give a click. I prefer and trust analysis by sites like this and digital foundry which are usually accompanied by a written article on an actual website.

[Lore]

But the Series X has 12 TFlops. How could this be

[derek]

Tools Lore, Toooooooooools. Lol.

[russo121]

Patch nr.1 and consequent analysis from Alex Battaglia of DF incoming! Hurrah!

OT - the real business is to have a balanced system, 12TF is just a value for MS devoted audience.

[Mr Pumblechook]

@Lore. You made me spit my tea out with laughter!

[anubusgold]

@Lore Go find a woman. This is ubisoft being lazy a 3080 and 3090 is struggling with this game as well and they crap all over a PS5 this is ubisoft screwing up again.

[gamer7804]

Easy most of these games were developed on the one x kits then patched late in the game for series x. Sony did a good job of getting the kits out there much earlier so naturally we’ll see some of the launch window games performing slightly better on ps5 where we’ll see backwards compatibility games running slightly better on series x. Time will tell what the future holds but I would expect series x to pull ahead as time goes on.

[The Wood]

Has anyone noticed certain members just don't show up in these articles. . . I know we're in a pandemic and all that but I didn't know lockdown and social distancing meant the Internet too

[DaveZero]

Its sony distancing.

[TheProblem]

https://imgflip.com/i/4ouqu...

[1Victor]

So is anyone keeping scores of what system got the better version of a PS5/XBSX because I lost track 🤷🏿 Once I couldn’t get a PS5 😭

[DJStotty]

So more or less parity between the 2.

The drops in resolution will not be noticeable to anyone regardless of screen quality/size.

[RaidenBlack]

Nah ... very much noticeable
...
only if you pause and use a magnifying glass, whilst your play time. /s

[DJStotty]

lol exactly, as long as the game looks and plays well, on whichever platform, it's all good.

Even i haven't chimed in with power difference between the 2, they are both great built machines and both have their pro's and con's (I'm looking at you Phil, i want some games, ala flight simulator and age of empires on my beloved black fridge)

[RazzerRedux]

@RaidenBlack

You need to have the right equipment to game like a real fanboy.

https://shop.harborfreight....

[RaidenBlack]

@RazzerRedux

🤣 ... what is that actually?

[RazzerRedux]

@RaidenBlack

It is a magnifying headband so you can see all the pixels and count them individually while you game!

lol....actually, I think it something jewelers use or something like that. Not real sure.

[gamer7804]

@razzer of course it’s not only one way but it is decidedly moreso Sony in this website. Regardless if it’s me who’s more pro Xbox or you who’s pro Sony. One should just expect to get downvoted more or commented back more in a pro Sony fashion is all I’m saying.

[SullysCigar]

yeh but dem toolz doh...lol

[strifeblade]

you know whats funny- ppl dont seem to remember that console with better hardware- will eventually always trump in multiplats. happened with one x- with original xbox, ps4, and even ps3.

dont worry if history is right- series x will outperform. we are not even a month in. you risk looking stupid:D

[F0XH0UND922]

You forgot the /s

[Rude-ro]

No... it has been new consoles for Microsoft... not time on the hardware.

[DJStotty]

I think xbox games will eventually look better and i am just wondering whether they are having dev tools issues, Halo Infinite - delayed, the medium - delayed

[boing1]

So you think this works only for Xbox?? Devs will learn PS5 too + it has larger overhead for unomptimized code because of architecture bandwidth and higher-clocked cpu. This means it runs more efficiently, which is clearly the case in almost every multiplat comparison. It requires less work and at the same time it gives larger benefits. Imagine the benefits if someone puts a lot of work in it. I think we'll have our jaws dropped in 2021, at least once.

[strifeblade]

@boing1

Your talking about being more efficient with better tools and learning system architecture. Bottom line is Xbox is more than 25% more powerful and has RDNA 2. Tools or efficiency when BOTH CONSOLE ARE AT THEIR 100%-xbox will outclass just like every other console that was more powerful in the previous generations. Fan boys here delusional.

[The Wood]

Yeah boi. I think we've got another one here........*hard face palm*

[Ashunderfire86]

O boy another Digital Foundry video coming soon for the fanboy wars to sink their teeth in! O the horror😩

[crazyCoconuts]

they'll stick to the formula:
PS5 advantages - super close virtually the same, gloss over this
XSX advantages - nod goes to Xbox - repeat a few times
XSX disadvantages - avoid nervous laughter. pivot to an advantage by saying xbox has VRR and ps5 doesn't

[Tetsdah]

Yea the fallback on VRR is fairly is annoying. Its a nice feature but still a minority of the gamers have access to it. So, the comparisons should be arranged by how most will experience it.

Again, it is a nice feature, but they've been attempting to use VRRas a crutch in their comparisons

[DaveZero]

Couldn't give a damn about VRR

[IanTH]

Yeah, it's sad that is used for ammo in this silly "war". The information they provide is simply information. Mostly it is interesting to see how implementations differ, what tradeoffs might have been made, ensuring that devs/pubs are kept honest in terms of the quality of their product, or finding issues they may have overlooked.

But instead we have people taking a product that, if played in a vacuum, would look great. And, in most cases, if played side-by-side they couldn't tell anyway - having to zoom in to 400% to see some of these things. I mean, a 10% difference in resolution one way or the other isn't going to be felt. Resolution differences at 1080p or lower were much more pronounced. Now that we're in 1440p and up territory with temporal upscaling? It all looks good, and people are getting too hung up on pixel counts. Frame rate analysis can be more important, but should more a data point to be discussed - if differences exist, is it a tech issue? A bug? A dev issue? But it always comes down to boast or roast with this stuff.

All of us N4Gers are gaming enthusiasts, regardless of platform. Not many people who play games bother reading up on the news & commenting. But rather that that being a reason we're joined together, most do their best to divide simply because we play 95% of the same games that happen to be played on different plastic boxes. It's monumentally stupid.

[The Wood]

Nobody's dying bro. . It's just banter. Don't take it too seriously. I know many cats on the other side and we joke and argue all the time. The world is serious. . . . Here we can relax and have some fun and take a break from all the efferies outside

[Necr0philiac]

I agree. I'm shocked at how much time some regulars spend on this site. What a waste of time and life

[IanTH]

@The Wood - No, no one's dying. But like you said, we can relax and have some fun - but most people seem to come in here to shout at "the other side". A light poking would be banter. And while I'm sure some are just trolls (and that's a shitty way to unwind, at the expense of others), it tends to feel more extreme than just banter for a good number of commenters. I feel like people have truly tied their self worth to some of these consoles & argue like they are truly fighting a war of words for the freedom of their console country.

I still come here. I still comment, though there are some articles I won't even bother going into the comment section for because I know it will be an all-out shitshow, which is just sad lol. It certainly isn't the end of the world. But it still is kind of sad that a thing that should be a shared interest ends up devolving into arguments over dumb ass things, or trying to make people feel bad for owning a different console to...make themselves feel better? I don't really know.

And like you said, the outside world is rife with efferies these days. I feel like that should help give us all the more perspective on things like this, but somehow - for quite a few - it doesn't.

[boing1]

PS5 is awesome.

[Will_b]

I have an Xbox Series X but I have to admit it, PS5 it is a really good optimised machine.

[SullysCigar]

Deffo, it's like Series X has slightly higher horsepower, but a peashooter exhaust and is slipping about on thin tyres, meanwhile the PS5 has nice fat treads and a fat straight-through pipe to get all that power out and down.

It's far more efficient than we're used to seeing from a console, with a lot of attention to adress the usual bottlenecking, which is why it was misjudged from the numbers...until we got to take her for a spin!

[343_Guilty_Spark]

@SullysCigar

Or the Xbox Series X is not being used to its full potential.

I mean objectively speaking the Series X has more CUs, albiet clocked slower, but there are more of them. Are they all being filled with data? Or are developers backporting the PS5 version (since it is the lead platform) to the Series X version and only using 36 of the 52 CUs?

Series X has a memory advantage at least for 62.5% of the memory pool (10 GB at 560 GB/s)....PS5 memory is 448 GB/s for all 16GB...the other 6 GBs of RAM is slower at 335GB/s in the Series X. If you average the memory speed its essentially the same as the PS5.

These graphics showdowns don't appear to be an issue with I/O.

I don't know...would like to see some truly next gen games or some interviews with Devs.

[Will_b]

@SullysCigar

"Power Is Nothing Without Control" - Pirelli

[Btf_1991]

@343 Look up the term “core monger”. More cores does not mean more better

[medman]

@will_b
And it will only get better.....Sony's ICE team is no joke.

[JEECE]

Honestly this is reminding me a bit of the early PS3/360 comparisons, where, despite PS3 having a processor that was theoretically far more powerful (so much so that institutions purchased PS3s to get access to that processor for supercomputers), 360 versions of multiplats often ran better. The difference isn't as pronounced here, but it's still a good reminder that specs on paper aren't everything.

[Rude-ro]

Well.. that is why sony was attacked.
From all angles.

No major computing corporation was not going to support an outsider re-writing how computing works.
Too dangerous to their strongholds.

Back then windows was in big trouble and was facing heavy competition that could have swayed the mass consumer base from windows operating systems... and Sony’s design took years to crack and opened the door for what would have been a massive change in the industry.
pirating was at an all time high and people were looking hard at their losses of pirated software through windows os and were ready to make changes.

So it was just not about games and Microsoft spent a lot of money to sway a change due to Sony’s architecture design with computing and part of that meant attacking Sony’s credibility per their hardware.

A much larger war than one would think.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

No term exists on the web..."core monger" is a made up term.

[Destiny1080]

another game where the PS5 completely and utterly destroys the series x/s

the s drops down to 30fps for cut scenes LMAO

maybe microsoft needs to send in there experts to tell the developers to lower the res even more

[Charal]

This dropping resolution BS was the most sneaky and misleading MS PR for a long time.

Now you all see the results in many games: the S needs to drop resolution, frame rate and details to try to output something presentable.

And this is not even 1 month in the next gen. In 5 years the S will either be the most laughable machine in gaming industry, or already been discarded by MS.

Just thinking about a third option though, as everything is possible with MS: maybe the Serie X will be discarded in 5 years, with MS only supporting crappy streaming cloud gaming through a 99$ serie S.

[JEECE]

Remember a few weeks ago when the series S was a "1440p console" with a better CPU than PS5, RAM didn't matter, and games were going to run on it exactly the same as on series X except at a different resolution? I guess devs forgot to use the magic word "scalability."

[Father__Merrin]

This is true they said same experience but cut down to fit the 1440p target. They didn't mention cutting FPS and details.

I think they should via firmware bring the cpu speed same as the X

[russo121]

@Father

They're engineers not magicians.

[jbull]

@JEECE Its worrying for Series X owners with how poor the Series S is performing, you have to think what's it going to be like in 3 years time Microsoft will have to accommodate their exclusives for that console.

[DJStotty]

@JEECE

"Remember a few weeks ago when the series S was a "1440p console" with a better CPU than PS5"

I can not recall hearing that, but whoever said it is an idiot. The Series S is has a lower CPU/GPU than the Series X, so no way it has a better CPU than the PS5.

[Kavorklestein]

Utterly destroys?
Did you actually read the article?
Both machines have pros and cons and I'd rather have the farther draw distance personally.

[Atticus_finch]

Ps5 is cheaper and currently running the 2 best looking next gen games. Miles morales and Demons souls.

[Kavorklestein]

@Atticus
Okay but that does not mean it Utterly Destroys Xbox. It just means it has 2 great games.

[Atticus_finch]

@kav Utterly destroys would be an exaggeration but beats would be appropriate.

@Just Name a games that looks better and load the levels in seconds. I'll wait.

[DJStotty]

There is more or less parity between the 2 versions, any differences will only be noticed with a frame by frame graphical comparison, which quite frankly, i'm not going to do that while playing a game.

@Atticus_finch

" currently running the 2 best looking next gen games"

I'd agree with that statement, seeing as though Series X currently has no exclusives as of yet to compare against.

[CrimsonWing69]

Easy there turbo, without a comparison vid you wouldn’t be able to see the difference. It’s not like a game running vastly different on one console vs the other.

[russo121]

"...It’s not like a game running vastly different on one console vs the other." - and yet every fanboy told xsx 12TF compared to ps5 10TF would be a gigantic difference.
PS5 is the clear winner, quality vs. price vs. performance.

[Neonridr]

or reduce the draw distance to match the PS5.

[Atticus_finch]

Or a $100 cheaper to match ps5.

[RazzerRedux]

A few months ago I didn't think folks would be talking about downgrading the XSX to match PS5's performance.

And yet....here we are.

[DJStotty]

Exactly Razzer, i would rather a game dip a few frames here and there and be a slightly lower resolution, if it results in greater draw distance and better graphics.

[RazzerRedux]

@DJStotty

Why you are pretending that is what I said?

[DJStotty]

@Razzer

I was not implying you said that, sorry if it came across that way.

I was simply saying from a personal standpoint, that rather than downgrading games to match another rivals platform, i would prefer the game dip a few frames, as opposed to trying to "match" frames, if the results show higher draw distances and better graphics.

Again, my opinion, games should be created to perform the best on the given platform, not changed to match another for parity.

[Atticus_finch]

Don't claim victory so fast.
You have to wait for E3!
Wait for the exclusives!
Wait for the tools to be updated!
Wait for the cloud!
Just wait!

[Nicknasty]

That’s Microsoft for you. They’re infamous for fooling people! Long live PlayStation!!!

[masterfox]

Im using my PS5 in a samsung full HD TV and every game looks gorgeous at 60 fps, some locked at 30 fps of course but nonetheless it looks beautiful, so not sure if should care for these nitpicks journalist articles :D

[porkChop]

So basically PS5 runs native 4K, whereas on SX Ubi swapped for dynamic 4K with a farther draw distance. Why not just give them both the farther draw distance with dynamic 4K? It's weird that they would prioritize native res on one system, but draw distance on the other.

[Neonridr]

I would also be interested to see if the PS5 would have the same performance dips if it was using an increased draw distance too. This article is made out to favor one when it's clear they aren't running under the same circumstances.

But that being said, nobody will pay attention to those details.

[SmokinAces]

Pretty sure if the option is given most would want locked frames over draw distance so its still a win for PS5 regardless.

[Neonridr]

@SmokinAces - so if the Series X had the same draw distance, it's perfectly feasible that the performance would have been the same.

[SmokinAces]

If if's and but's were candy and nuts. This isn't about feasibility its about reality and the reality is the frame rate is superior on PS5. That said play where you want, happy gaming.

[Sunny_D]

If that was the case, wouldn’t the dynamic 4K have a better framerate? PS5 comes out with less framerate drops than the Series X version.

[porkChop]

Not necessarily. It depends on how the parameters are set up for the dynamic res scaling. If they aren't optimized you can still get frame drops.

[StoneyYoshi]

I must be blind because I can't see a difference in the draw distance between the two at all. Which shows how pointless it is to compare. Is there a timestamp that can be shared where the difference is actually noticeable?

[SullysCigar]

Lol it's just the thing they're running with. There's always an excuse.

[SmokinAces]

I'm sure if you pause the game and zoom in 300x on a 88" tv screen you could see it. Hang in there I'm sure DF is working on it.

[Atticus_finch]

No pues wow.

[ecchiless]

Se la mamo! xD.... cant translate that to english, cant find anything similar xD

[jjb1981]

Trigger time

But Da pOwA uV Da KlOUdZ!!!!

[Father__Merrin]

Spencer is to blame, Even Elvis could have done a better job at running Xbox

[jjb1981]

But those tErAFLopZ!!!

I'm just having fun with it. I own all consoles and a PC. I just want the games. For me its about what the console can give me vs. what they do differently from one another. Its just funny how discrepancies between marketing and actual product can produce click-bait articles and fanboy reactions.

[Father__Merrin]

I watched the video Xbox series X drops a few more than ps5 on rare occasions it drops but apart from that it looks same.

Xbox series X doesn't run as high resolution and in one of the modes the Xbox series X drops to 1080p at its lowest ..

Looks like yet another win for the world's most powerful console the 10TF ps5

[Shane Kim]

The differences are minor and would require side by side comparisons. It will probably be like this the entire gen.

[jairusmonillas]

VG Tech is the new king in next gen comparison videos

[Fritzwochel]

Just shows that PS5 are the superior

[MazeRunner]

clickbait article

[AmUnRa]

Yeah when the Xbox SeX version is running not so good as the PS5 version your feelings got hurt and in anger you scream "klickbate article".😉

[MazeRunner]

bro, unlike your broke ass i got everything. ps5, series x, switch, gaming pc. i dont get caught up on that fanboy shit like yall. can u say the same? i dont think so

[Harryvok]

I'd imagine the lower quality shadows and LOD on PS5 are just a settings issue by the developers. We've seen it the other way round on Dirt 5 where it's worse on Xbox. Probably just side effect of developing for so many consoles.

Funnily enough, those lower settings might be why PS5 has a resolution advantage in this game.

[tontontam0]

So you are saying that if the "MORE POWERFUL" xbox series x graphics settings is lowered to the same level as ps5 it will perform on par with the ps5? that is interesting.

[Harryvok]

No idea. Teraflops isn't a fool proof method of determining if a system runs better, especially in custom built systems like these. PS5 could be better optimised to remove bottlenecks ongoing regardless of how either console's APIs are improved as the generation goes on and it may continue to have some performance advantages in some games/modes.

I expect performance to be fairly close the entire generation personally. Even the differences we've seen so far I'd hardly call massive. If you only have one of these console, you're hardly missing out by playing on either one.

[TheTony316]

Worlds most powerful console ™

[waverider]

Months of PR about 12 teraflops, most powerfull console. So many warned that 12 teraflops arent the best way to say wich is the best and easier console to work with. Still there are here people throwing numbers and forget that all parts must work together. So many make fun of the cerny deep dive. Called weakstation... Compared it to a console that is running games at 720p... Or that the series x got 40% advantage in power... So many warned that this gen got the smallest diference ever... And now are talking about tools, gdk and dont want to hear that this games are also Just scraping the power of the ps5. The problem is that cerny is a genius and not second hand car salesman that lies and move the goals over and over and over.

[Father__Merrin]

You are correct the amount of mud thrown at ps5 after cerneys tech dive was insane. Look at them all now lol I'm afraid it's going to get much severe for them, just wait till God of war trailer drops nothing on any system will compare

[SmokinAces]

God of War: Ragnarok on PS5 will melt faces and solidify another gen won for Playstation no question.

[Muigi]

So they’re pretty much the same good to know lol.

[potatoseal]

LOL. Gotta love the PS5. Such a well made console. Very efficient.

[XxINFERNUSxX]

Game is not that great to begin with going by reviews. If you want the best version in true 4K this is it: https://www.youtube.com/wat... And no 30fps, that just ain't right for next gen.

[Sophisticated_Chap]

The problems with these comparisons, and what makes them misleading, is that they do not state what PC equivalent settings each version of the game is running at. There's no way that a 10 Tflop GPU is out performing a 12 Tflop GPU on the highest graphics settings, otherwise an RX 5700XT would have similar performance to an RTX 2080TI. It's just common sense to anyone with any kind of GPU knowledge.

But of course we know that in reality, an RTX 2070 Super out-performs an RX 5700XT 70% of the time, depending on what GPU line the developer has optimized the game for. I think the reality is, that unfortunately, the PS5 is being used to build the default game, then developers just port the game over to the Series X with essentially the same graphics settings, leaving the extra horsepower unutilized, and then they turn the graphics settings down for the Series S.

[SmokinAces]

I think the reality is that unfortunately whats happening is a lot of poor excuses are being made for why series x isn't what some people thought it was supposed to be. We've moved from "lazy devs", to "poor development tools", to now "PC equivalency" and "porting". Maybe some internet armchair graphics experts GPU knowledge just isn't quite as robust as they thought or maybe its just Cerny and crew engineered a system that goes far beyond GPU Tflop numbers like much smarter people including Mark Cerny himself have been saying for months now and we are seeing the results of that.

[Atticus_finch]

The real reality is, that unfortunately for you, TF are not as important as some PR hype wanted you to believe and now you are here making excuses.

[sinspirit]

The fact that you think TFlops are a true benchmark for 3D graphics computating shows you're not really a sophisticated chap.

Look at Apples latest chips versus Android. They are weaker on a spec sheet, but they have accelarators and optimizations in hardware that developers don't need to lift a finger for. It just works(IYKYK).

PS5 has optimizations and hardware designed to streamline the process of what it's meant to do. Having extra CU's has a fall-off at a point when they don't have enough tasks to schedule, and big tasks are filling the same CU's for longer. This on top of the extremely simple development for PS5.

[RazzerRedux]

"There's no way that a 10 Tflop GPU is out performing a 12 Tflop GPU on the highest graphics settings, otherwise an RX 5700XT would have similar performance to an RTX 2080TI."

Teraflops are incredibly inaccurate when comparing GPUs of different architectures. This is because the CUs are completely different and have different efficiencies. How can you not know this by now and claim to have "any kind of GPU knowledge"? This is just basic shit.

And even if they were comparable, you are just entirely wrong on their teraflop ratings.

RX 5700 XT - 9.754 Teraflops
https://www.techpowerup.com...

RTX 2080ti - 13.45 teraflops
https://www.techpowerup.com...

So how in the world are you going to say these cards would have similar performance based entirely on teraflops again? So not only are you making a bullshit point, you are making a bullshit point with inaccurate information. And if you are so hung up on teraflops, explain why the Vega 64's 12.6 TF rating gets smoked in games by that same 9.7 TF 5700 XT? Again....different architectures matter. I've shown you plenty of times are you simply being willfully ignorant in order to promote your Xbox agenda.

As far as PS5 and XSX are concerned, you are ignoring the fact that these are each custom GPUS. You have blinders on and are looking only at teraflops and pretending those numbers mean everything. But the fact is that you have already proven that you are ignorant in what ways teraflops can and cannot be used to compare.

[Sophisticated_Chap]

The only way that the Tflop rating isn't relevant, is when you're comparing different generations of GPUs or GPUs from different manufacturers. However, if both cards are current gen, and from the same manufacturer, then that rating can be a relatively accurate benchmark, and this is especially true with regards the PS5 and Series X, since their hardware comes from the same manufacturer. RDNA2 is RDNA2, although from what I read months ago when all of the specs were being revealed, the PS5 uses RDNA1 with an RDNA2 instruction set. This was when Sony said that the PS5 uses RDNA2.... sort of.

Its true that you can't compare Tflops so much between GPU manufacturers, because as we witnessed with the 5700XT (9.754 Teraflops) and the 2070 Super (9.062 Teraflops) as an example, the 2070 Super out performed the 5700XT roughly 70% of the time, because Nvidia had the more efficient Architecture.

I know what the specs are for the 5700 XT and the 2080TI, but it is a ballpark comparison, which is not an incorrect comparison to make. When you go to buy a GPU for your PC, are you going to choose one that is less powerful or more powerful? It really is just that simple, which is why I bought a 2080 Super over a 2060KO or a 5700XT.

You're smart enough to understand that the days of console secret sauce ended with the PS3 era, when the power of Cell processor was a relative unknown. These days we understand the hardware the console manufacturers use, and we can pretty much directly compare console hardware to PC equivalent hardware. Additionally, because the console manufacturers are both using AMD, the power of each GPU should scale properly.

Let's stop being ignorant about resolution and Frames Per Second, and ask the real questions that we know play a role in those figures. Lets ask what the PC equivalent graphics settings are being used between the two systems, because this affects what your FPS and Native Resolution will be. Yes, we know the PS5 has a faster SSD, but SSDs don't render graphics. Stop playing kids games.

[RazzerRedux]

"The only way that the Tflop rating isn't relevant, is when you're comparing different generations of GPUs or GPUs from different manufacturers."

No shit? Exactly like: "There's no way that a 10 Tflop GPU is out performing a 12 Tflop GPU on the highest graphics settings, otherwise an RX 5700XT would have similar performance to an RTX 2080TI."

Yes, not a relevant comparison. Think I've told you this a dozen times and you still keep doing it.

"RDNA2 is RDNA2, although from what I read months ago when all of the specs were being revealed, the PS5 uses RDNA1 with an RDNA2 instruction set. This was when Sony said that the PS5 uses RDNA2.... sort of."

These are custom variations of RDNA 2. Sony is using its own variety of much of the same tech such as VRS. These are not the same GPUs so no, RDNA2 is not necessarily RDNA2. And you don't know what part of PS5 uses what variety of RDNA.

"I know what the specs are for the 5700 XT and the 2080TI, but it is a ballpark comparison, which is not an incorrect comparison to make. When you go to buy a GPU for your PC, are you going to choose one that is less powerful or more powerful? It really is just that simple, which is why I bought a 2080 Super over a 2060KO or a 5700XT."

Your "ballpark comparison" was a teraflop off in both directions. And no, you are not going to go by teraflops at all to make that decision. You'll use benchmarks. People who know what they are doing will anyway. Otherwise, we would have all bought Vega 64s. Cuz...teraflops.

"You're smart enough to understand that the days of console secret sauce ended with the PS3 era...."

lol.....are you seriously going to revise history and pretend "cloud power" and DirectX 12 were not "secret sauce" tech? lol....you are a piece of work dude.

But the fact is "secret sauce" is alive and well. It just isn't made up shit anymore. The "secret sauce" is local hardware advances beyond just CUs and frequencies. What the hell do you think VRS and SFS are? Geometry engine? Hell, ray tracing. Why are you pretending these technologies fit within the context of a teraflop when we both know they sure as hell do not? All this stuff.....this is your "secret sauce" to improve performance and fidelity. And these variations make your teraflops even more irrelevant.

"Let's stop being ignorant about resolution and Frames Per Second, and ask the real questions that we know play a role in those figures. Lets ask what the PC equivalent graphics settings are being used between the two systems, because this affects what your FPS and Native Resolution will be. Yes, we know the PS5 has a faster SSD, but SSDs don't render graphics. Stop playing kids games."

Who the hell said anything about SSD? I sure didn't. You keep making shit up and then yapp about "kids games"? Equivalent PC settings is a legitimate question. You should have stuck with that question. But you went straight into the teraflop argument in your second sentence as if that answered the question for you. Teraflops do not answer that question at all and you need to stop pretending it does. You have to do side by side analysis of PC and console to evaluate the settings.

[talocaca]

What is happening?!?! Do we know what is bottlenecking Series X or is it just crappy development tools?

[Tetsdah]

While the differences as usual aren't significant, it is hilarious these are the results. And many are overlooking the fact that not only fanboys were bragging up the specs, some of Xbox's team were bragging it up. When it is close it's an L, but if there is a slight advantage for PS5, it's an even larger L.

Real world results overshadow the specs now, because the systems are here now. The tools cry just sounds more and more like a hollow excuse.

[Tetsdah]

"The delta will be massive "- Tom Warren and doods of the X camp...

[S2Killinit]

Yet another game performing best on PS5. Not that it matters as some extra pixels here and there dont make too much of a difference, but still some people were acting like series X was going to be so much better than PS5 with multiplats. Now it seems its the other way around.

[BlaqMagiq1]

And the excuses continue to pour in

[Ristul]

The beast did not cometh 😏

[patterson]

PS5 keeps on winning!

[nightfallfilms]

Its called catering to the console with the largest fan base, not hard to figure out.

[F0XH0UND922]

If only you were correct, though.

[AmUnRa]

Another excuse on the long list what Xboxfanboys come up with to downplay the better performance of the PS5. This will not be the last excuse, believe me there will be more to come.😉

[XxGamer440xx]

Now we see why all the developers was praising ps5 hardware over xbox. People can say xbox is theoretically stronger but the truth is in the pudding ps5 is overall better hardware all around and now we see it for are selves. Cant wait to see the exclusives like gow horizon and hopefully another uncharted.

[Hedstrom]

In the bigger picture both consoles performs about the same! The only reason why this is a thing is because of MS claims of the most powerful console and so on!

[gold_drake]

oooooo shots fired

[DJStotty]

"Overall, while the game manages to hold up well on both platforms, there is a very minimal advantage to the PS5 version with a higher average 4K resolution in performance mode and a locked 4K resolution in quality mode. We are saying locked here because there is a good chance that PS5 also renders it a dynamic 4K resolution, but VGTech didn’t find any instance of the resolution dropping on the PS5."

So let me ask, how are they claiming the PS5 is locked 4K? As per article there is a good chance it is also dynamic?

Just because they found no resolution drops, does not negate a locked 4K resolution. It just means the instances tested, they encountered no drops.

[TheTony316]

Turns out the series X/S doesn't have self shadowing.

https://i.imgur.com/4I1WvQg...

You can see missing shadows on the skirt.

[Father__Merrin]

Yes looks like series X is missing shadows