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COD Black Ops Cold War: PS5 vs Xbox Series X - Ray Tracing, 120Hz Mode Tests + Series S Analysis

Black Ops Cold War ranks among the best ways to showcase the next-gen PS5 and Xbox Series X hardware at launch. A strong performing 120Hz mode and ray-traced shadows both feature - in a package that's all round surprising for its polish in its frame-rate delivery. Tom and John team up to pick out the advantages of each console release - and also the fate of the Series S version.

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mrsolidsteel201265d ago ShowReplies(2)
Ninver1265d ago

Interesting how both consoles perform better in certain modes. They failed to mention the ps5 will be getting VRR support in the near future but it was a solid comparison.

alb18991265d ago

When the PS5 get VRR they talk about it. They compare what they got on hands.

RaidenBlack1265d ago

"Trading blows" I'd say ...
~42fps RT PS5 vs 60fpsRT XSX
120fps PS5 vs ~103fps XSX
ballpark lowest on one platform while the opposition is maintaining the stable cap.

senis_kenis1265d ago

@Raiden it's seems to be a bug on ps5 side, because drops are not reproducible (holds solid 60fps in same scene):

https://www.resetera.com/th...

RaidenBlack1265d ago

@senis_kenis
Yea, saw the VG Tech comparison. Might be erratic.
Now I am even doubting who has the more accurate analysis tool.

Kornholic1265d ago

@senis_kenis

I can't believe you are getting downvoted for that.

senis_kenis1265d ago (Edited 1265d ago )

So much for xbox win talk, Digital Foundry confirms it's a bug:
https://twitter.com/dark1x/...

John Linneman :"The drops are very much real but they can be eliminated, it seems, but restarting from checkpoint. Which...kinda sucks? So it's not actually a performance limitation so much as some kind of performance bug."

Sunny_D1264d ago

Digital Foundry just retested the PS5 version and found the PS5 version framerate has a bug. They’re finding the framerate will sometimes stay locked on playthroughs and on other playthroughs, it dips. They think the latest patch has something to do with it.

Cockney1264d ago

I disagree, they often use the old "expect a patch" to excuse any deficiency shown that doesn't support their narrative.

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shabz6661265d ago

It’s all about optimizations I guess.

Ju1265d ago

RT seems to pull ahead on the SX Possibly where the compute advantage counts. On high bandwidth modes, interestingly, the PS5 is ahead.

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Zhipp1265d ago

@Zeeb
We're literally looking at a game where Series X performs better with RT, though...

OT: This is the first game I've seen on next-gen consoles that really meets what I was expecting from both systems. If you had told me that 60fps cross-gen titles on these new consoles would be dropping to 1440p back when their specs were announced I would not have believed you. This is looking very solid, though. 1800p as a minimum for 60fps mode, low res for performance mode but runs at a very nearly locked 120. Very nice.

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Ju1265d ago

Whatever it is. In this example the SX has an advantage. I doubt that Activision actually did not optimize for both and if they could have, they'd probably would have implemented it differently for one to match the other more.

But again, the more obvious reason why that could be, is that in lower bandwidth modes one can scale better and vertically which indeed would favor the SX more. Its kinda interesting that a 4k60fps mode is rather considered lower bandwidth in that context. If CUs are somewhat related to RT "cores", then I would imagine that would also scale vertically with the number of CUs on both machines (but that's speculation).

Maybe one day we'll learn more how RT differs on the PS5 vs. SX. Would be really interesting.

Babadook71264d ago (Edited 1264d ago )

"We're literally looking at a game where Series X performs better with RT, though... "

Unless you restart the PS5. Then the bug is eliminated and it locks 60 fps in the "problem areas". Someone already linked to John from DF's twitter post (look above) admitting the bug. So nothing to do with XSX 18% stronger hardware. If you ever see one of these systems outperform the other by a considerable margin, it is a bug. Unless its I/O related, possibly down the road.

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jukins1265d ago

I guessbit deserves a mention but honestly I'm sure the people with vrr tvs or monitors are slim

NeoGamer2321265d ago

The key thing I have taken away from all these comparisons is that both consoles are pretty much equal. XSX and full PS5 perform pretty much the same most of the time. Dips in performance in either console can be (for now at least) attributed to the OS/Firmware and SDK bugs that are inevitable at the start of every generation. By year two or three I expect both consoles will be performing pretty much the same all the way through.

No secret sauce making one console magically better then the other.

GUTZnPAPERCUTZ1265d ago

What's not being talked about in this community is the fact that the GDK for SX is missing tools and developers have not had it in their hands no where nearly as long as the PS5's. Once developers can properly optimize for SX then it should outperform the PS5 in every aspect except loading.

fr0sty1265d ago (Edited 1265d ago )

This is only true on multiplat games where the ps5's ssd speed advantage isn't utilized. If it were possible to load up ratchet and clank on both systems, it would tell a far different tale.

NeoGamer2321264d ago (Edited 1264d ago )

@fr0sty
There has been performance comparisons of SSD for both XB and PS5 and in a practical sense they have not yielded a significant difference.

Yes, there was the Assassin's Creed load demo where the PS5 skipped title screens making it way faster, but when you compare apples to apples, the load times from SSD are pretty much equal. In most of the demos when they were loading the same stuff from SSD the XSX was usually a couple second difference (usually in XSX favor) which to me is nothing.

People keep talking about the SSD difference between the two console but there has not yet been an apples-to-apples comparison where SSD on PS5 has been shown to wildly out perform XSX SSD from a practical sense. For SSD to make a true difference it has to get into the same balk park as memory in performance. neither of the new console's SSDs are anywhere close to memory speeds.

Like a bunch of PS5 fans keep stating with the CPU and GPU. There is more to this then raw power. Pure PS5 fans cannot have it both ways. If the SSD makes a difference then it has to be acknowledged that CPU and GPU raw performance can make a difference too. In everything I've seen so far I don't see any advantage for either console. Load times are similar, framerates are similar, game functionality is similar. I just don't see either console in a situation where it is going to gimp a game in any significant way.

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Father__Merrin1265d ago

Although they are same there's dips in small set pieces on both. They shows running down hallway and exploding your rcxd under plane where ps5 dips and series x dips during helicopter segments.

Still the Ps5 takes this. World's most powerful console? A weaker system allegedly? Can't wait for games years down the line

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stiggs1265d ago

How did you come to the conclusion that the PS5 "takes this"? You should watch the video again but remove the rose colored glasses.

OB1Biker1265d ago (Edited 1265d ago )

Very balanced but PS5 DualSense features.
It's in the video. He is objectively right.

Father__Merrin1264d ago

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Ps5 DF retested video. Now smooth 60 and more lod than series x

chrisoadamson1265d ago

The xbox series x skus and development tools were only received by devs a few months ago. These are needed for optimisation. Ps5 equivalents have been available for a lot longer. This is the reason that some games I.e. assasigns creed are running better on ps5 . The next round of games (not rushed launch /cross gen titles) will perform better on the X

SullysCigar1265d ago

Except the Devs of Sirt 5 (Codemasters) already debunked that nonsense.

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RazzerRedux1265d ago

Haven't watched yet, but saw some summary on resetera:

-60fps with Raytracing runs better on Series X
-120fps which disables RT runs better on PS5
-Series S looks and runs great at 60fps, no RT option
-They really like the dualsense support on PS5

So a tie?

Atticus_finch1265d ago

The tie breaker is that sweet $400 price tag though. Very important detail.

Ju1265d ago

Well and I still think the controller. But I can agree in MP only games that's probably less an argument.

phoenixwing1265d ago

Razzer it's not a tie if the controller is better. But honestly it doesn't matter the only differences worth mentioning is the controller. Everything else requires an fps counter and other software to notice lol

blackblades1265d ago

Saying that would make ps5 win every time.

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Ju1264d ago

"Saying that would make ps5 win every time."

Right?

RazzerRedux1264d ago

Controller? Yeah....ok. But a tie is a loss for XSX in every way possible for the "worlds most powerful console".

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Ninver1265d ago

I'd say a tie but the dualsense controller automatically makes the ps5 version more appealing.

crazyCoconuts1265d ago

It really is awesome on this game

Sunny_D1265d ago

Yup. Lots of dual console owners on other forums have had a dilemma where they may now have to buy their multiplats on PS5 because the dualsense is so good. They were originally only going to get multiplats on Series X since MS kept saying games would be best played on Xbox. Guess that was lie.

dumahim1265d ago

"-They really like the dualsense support on PS5"

The impression I got is that Tom and John are mixed on it. They both feel it's something to disable during multiplayer because it can slow down your trigger pull. Tom seems to imply that after a while he didn't even notice it until he switched to Xbox and it wasn't there. It's kind of how I felt about 3D. It's neat, but after a while you kind of don't notice it anymore.

Nacho_Z1265d ago

Like any quality of life improvement you get used to it eventually, but if you miss it when it's gone that means it's good.

Seems pretty unanimous that it's not ideal for competitive multiplayer but that was never the point of it.

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angh1264d ago

They confirmed that rt ps5 drops is a bug. After scene is restarted the issue is no more, so no performance bottleneck but had coding. Patch will fix this.

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Persona 5 Royal Review - Gamerhub UK

Atlus wins over gamers yet again.

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Rutaprkl7h ago(Edited 7h ago)

Persona 5 Royal is my top 10 game of all time. A true masterpiece.

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Top Spin 2K25 Review - TheGamer

TheGamer Writes "The tennis sim is as good as ever, but is lacking basic features that make this worthwhile at this stage."

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smolinsk7h ago

The gameplay is fantastic. Not sure what can be more important then that?

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Former Deviation Games Devs Have Formed A New Studio At PlayStation To Work On A New IP

Former Deviation Games developers have formed a new studio at Sony Interactive Entertainment in order to work on a brand new PlayStation IP.

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Tacoboto23h ago

Well that's an awesome and very surprising turnaround. Cheers to the new studio and what they'll build!

RaidenBlack20h ago

Likely to continue their FPS project

Cacabunga9h ago

It is not about money it is about talent.. get that talent in and they will take care of you and earn you that money

Eonjay9h ago

I had picked up on this before the Deviation shutdown was announced. It was pointed out that a senior manager of the team had joined PlayStation prior to the close. It was a little suspicious because from the outside in, it appeared had basically poached Deviation's talent.

Reading some of the other comments it seems this is understood to be the case.

In other news it would be wild if Sony winds up announcing a brand new internal studio.

isarai19h ago

That's..... confusing, so shut down but just reformed and same employer 🤔 sounds like pretty much what happened to Japan Studio basically just being rebranded as Asobi

ocelot0718h ago

It is odd one I don't know how business deals work or the law of that kind of stuff. But is it possible Sony reached out and said hey we want you apart of Sony but don't want to purchase you for what ever reason. How about use disband and we will open a studio and hire you guys type of thing. Is that even possible?

isarai18h ago

Maybe it's to void/bypass some contract? I have no clue

VersusDMC14h ago(Edited 14h ago)

I guess the deviation team fell apart and didn't deliver good progress on what they pitched (they overhyped themselves when the team was announced)so Sony shut them down. They regrouped with a new team and a new pitch so Sony is giving them another shot.

And this time they are keeping it quiet to keep pressure down on the team. So people aren't asking everyday what deviation(or whatever the new team is called) is doing.

Edit: Also Sony never owned them. They just ended their partnership with them. Deviation decided to close on their own.

outsider162413h ago

Good point. You know, i was thinking of Days Gone too. They pitch an idea to Sony for Days Gone 2 but Sony didnt like it do they scrapped the whole thing. Maybe if a good pitch came by...they'd reconsider it.

isarai12h ago

That makes a bit more sense

lodossrage12h ago

To be fair, Sony didn't shut them down. Devation was independent. Sony pulled funding on the project they were working on. As a result, they couldn't run so Devation decided to close on their own.

MrBaskerville9h ago

Maybe it's a good team but sony changed plans?

Plague-Doctor272h ago

https://imgur.com/HhYbZDi

The management at Deviation was reportedly a problem. Sony cut their funding and when the studio layoffs began they bought the talent back up

Lightning771h ago

It's probably cheaper to grab the talent than to anage a full studio as a second party.

Maybe we see the game at the PS showcase?

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roboteye14h ago

If this was MS they'd be gone.

Goodguy0113h ago

Maybe make a smaller game this time?

Elda13h ago

Good for them that they were able to work it out. Hopefully they're developing something interesting.

Rainbowcookie12h ago

I think Sony is thinking long term as a replacement for Call of Duty M$ edition.

lodossrage4h ago

If they can pull off at least 2 more games similar to Helldivers 2 they won't have to worry about that COD deal anymore (my personal opinion, not fact)

-Foxtrot2h ago

The best thing they can do is make something old school based

The issue with COD is that it's so over the top and arcade like now where it feels more like you are relying on gimmicks and what you've unlocked rather than skill.

If they can create an old school like first person shooter where "less is more" and not a game that relies on a drip feed road map then they'll get some attention.

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