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Digital Foundry - Dirt 5: PS5 vs Xbox Series X/ Series S Comparison + Performance

Dirt 5 is unique in that it's the ONLY arcade racing title available for next-gen consoles at launch - think of it as a combination of MotorStorm, DriveClub, Dirt and OnRush - it's good stuff! However, there are a number of issues that need addressing, especially on Xbox. All three modes are tested in this head-to-head, covered off on three consoles. Let's get going!

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elazz1263d ago (Edited 1263d ago )

PS5 version performance better overall. In 120fps the PS5 looks better and reaches average higher fps. With an upcoming firmware update VRR will also be available on PS5 making this practically a flawless experience.

Xbox Series X version comes in close second. Series S shouldn't have come with a visual mode. resolution can drop to 600p.

RazzerRedux1263d ago

Leadbetter questioning Microsoft's marketing of Series S as a 1440p console is interesting.

darthv721263d ago

It can in some and cant in others but it also can hit 2160p which is surprising as well.

All I care about after watching this is for Motorstorm to make a triumphant return..... some day, maybe, hopefully

The Wood1263d ago

Darth I would love motorstorm to be revived

bouzebbal1263d ago

Darth
What's your take on xsx not performing well and not leading the comparisons we've seen so far? Want it supposed to lead hands down technically?

FlyingFoxy1263d ago

Considering you'll need a high end PC for decent FPS in titles like Cyberpunk @ 1440p it doesn't really take a rocket scientist to know that Series S isn't really a 1440p console, in some less demanding games, sure.

dumahim1263d ago

I always questioned that. It seemed odd going for half the number of pixels with about a 3rd of the power.

SullysCigar1263d ago

^ @FATAL1TY, those pics look like you've tried to recreate a Dirt 5 screenshot in Minecraft..

bouzebbal1262d ago (Edited 1262d ago )

His opinion about the massive graphical differences xsx and ps5 is so ridiculous.. Devs didn't have time to finalize the game, and at the same time it's not intentional 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️
Yet they had time for ps5?? What a broken logic he has..
There is a graphical leap between both versions.. This ain't starting well for xbox

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elazz1263d ago (Edited 1263d ago )

For Series S I meant 120fps shouldn't have been an option. On the other 2 modes is around 1080p

angelsx1263d ago

series s is a mistake. Who wanted this?

RaidenBlack1263d ago

Supposed "game-pass-owners" and "casual-gamers"

StormSnooper1263d ago

The unwitting buyers, like moms. And little children who think they have a next gen console.

NotoriousWhiz1263d ago (Edited 1263d ago )

I wanted a Series S. Not anymore though. May not even get a Series X if it's going to underperform PS5.

I couldn't care less about 4k. But I do care about frame rate, and if the Series S can't keep up in that regard, then I won't be getting it. The price is nice, but that performance is not.

CaptainHenry9161263d ago (Edited 1263d ago )

Like I said Xbox has a long way to go 😁

PC/PS5 for life

AngelicIceDiamond1263d ago

If you really think it ends with early gen games then you're very short sided.

CaptainHenry9161263d ago (Edited 1263d ago )

Xbox first party exclusives just can't compete with Sonys. Having a PC makes Xbox irrelevant to me

AngelicIceDiamond1263d ago

We don't know yey. But 9th gen should be interesting it already is.

gravedigger1263d ago (Edited 1263d ago )

XSS console is a mistake. It was damn obvious since the reveal

Series S version as low as 570p. You can't be that serious

sagapo1263d ago

One mistake you made; in 120fps PS5 looks indeed better, but XSX kept the higher framerates because PS5 uses v-sync instead of VRR, and the fact that XSX looked less detailed. But I agree that when PS5 will support VRR, it will probably beat XSX in 120fps mode.

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RazzerRedux1263d ago

Took notes:

PS5 SDR is a little dark. Dev looking into it.

Image quality Mode
Focusing overall world detail
Dynamic resolution
Series S - tops out 1440p but scales down to 1080p most of the time
PS5 slightly better texture filtering
PS5 average resolution is higher
Both PS5 and XSX deliver 60fps. Slight advantage to PS5
Series S lower frame rate

Resolution mode
Highest pixel count- Dynamic
Series S 1080p range.
"Series S 1440p target is somewhat optimistic"
"MS marketing needs to be clearer"
Series S - details cut back
All three consoles mostly consistent 60fps

Frame Rate Mode
120hz mode
XSX and PS5 "seems to be 900p to 1440p"
Series S - as low as 600p range
PS5 detail level is significantly higher than XSX
Probably a bug on XSX
Runs better on XSX on some tracks due to lower detail
VRR makes a difference and eliminates tearing for XSX

RazzerRedux1263d ago

Apparently there is a very specific reason why PS5 has much higher detail than XSX in frame rate mode:

https://i.imgur.com/JHRFCsd...

Mr_Luke1263d ago

hahahaha that's brilliant :D

russo1211263d ago

Craig's is MS new mascot.

AngelicIceDiamond1263d ago

I could see it as fanboy drivel but I se it as more light hearted. What do you have to say about the new Forza running in engine at last summers Ms showcase?

RazzerRedux1263d ago

Yeah.....all in fun. Forza looked great. Codemasters isn't in Turn 10's league. Not even close.

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gamer78041263d ago

Now if they can just make dirt games fun. I really want to like them as I like racing games but the controls and gameplay are terrible.

IRetrouk1263d ago

As a massive racing fan and gamer, I dissagree completely, the sim versions are great and so are the more arcade focused ones like this, was in two minds with the choppy footage we had seen, but it looks well on the ps5 so I might be getting it earlier than planned🤷‍♂️

SullysCigar1263d ago

Dirt Rally is amazing in VR and controls beautifully.

gamer78041263d ago (Edited 1263d ago )

IRetrouk that’s fine many people enjoy them it’s just not my friends and I’s racing group cup of tea

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TheTony3161263d ago (Edited 1263d ago )

And another one. Looks like the PS5, while weaker is actually the better designed console with less bottlenecks. And don't forget the Dual Sense. Oh boy, can't even imagine the meltdown if Cyberpunk turns out to be superior on PS5, lol.

shabz6661263d ago (Edited 1263d ago )

lol that would definitely be someting, Microsofts line about sereis x being the most powerful console unfortunately is not panning out. Dirt 5 specifically seems to be a bug bringing xbox one texture quality to series x with high framerates possibly due to the universal sdk devs are using according to df. And the devs acknowledge the issue. Thats a massive problem for development if that can even happen in the first place.

buffig1263d ago

It may be the most powerful, but it's not the most effective. This was always the danger of making your entire narrative about tflops. Sony never talked power, but they did talk speed. And speed is what we're getting.

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SullysCigar1263d ago

Even the DualSense on its own is a big differentiator. Reviewers have been loving it, yet the devs have said they're not satisfied they've got the best from the controller, so are reworking it and rolling out a patch!

Great to see the 3rd party devs so absorbed by the possibilites DualSense offers the gamer!

TheTony3161263d ago (Edited 1263d ago )

Yeah, got my PS5 today (EU) and played Astro Bot. By far the best controller i've ever had.

angh1263d ago

Obviously ps5 is not weaker here. Comparing only tflops is simply stupid, is like comparing engine capacity - difference in capacity do not decide which is faster.

purple1011263d ago (Edited 1263d ago )

That's a real good comparison actually.

An old american v8 4.0litre will get say 350-500 horse power

But a Ferrari with a v8 4.0litre can get 500 -700 horsepower

This comparison seems totally fair.....untill you realise the ferarri is half the weight.

It's these type of things make you realise there's more going on under the curtain. Things that arn't always immediately visiable

purple1011263d ago

What's funny is the Xbot's are going to say...wait till it's optimised -

but I'm going to say wait till Sony makes use of their fast SSD

.. it's going to be nail in the coffin once it's actually used for games -and not just to improve loading times by a couple of seconds.

Bronbron921263d ago

If cyber punk looks better on ps5 Microsoft will really look bad and I think if that were the outcome they’ll try to win Bethesda over to get all games exclusives to them to cover their ass lol

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shabz6661263d ago

It seems like having a vrr tv for series x seems to solve the screen tearing, i'm glad i picked up the LGCX. anyone looking into new 4k tvs i would recommend going for that.

Btf_19911263d ago (Edited 1263d ago )

Most of us are not sitting on that kind of money

GOULDYBOBS1263d ago

Then why are you worried about 120 fps?

Btf_19911263d ago

@GOULDYBOBS
I'm not worried about about 120fps. What led you to think I am?

Rainbowcookie1263d ago

Also burn in deters me from borrowing that kind of money too🤣

Kornholic1263d ago (Edited 1263d ago )

Burn-in is an old meme. The risk of getting a burn-in on a modern OLED TV while viewing a variety of content is almost non-existent. Worrying about that is silly and irrational.

shabz6661263d ago

@ rainbowcookie.

I am also constantly tensed about burn in, but honestly the picture quality and black levels on the tv is so good, lol. There are options like a pixel refresher and a static logo luminescence adjuster that can help with burn in prevention. So far so good though.

DaGR8JIBRALTAR1262d ago

You can get a 65 inch for 1700 now, that a great price.

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yeahokwhatever1263d ago

the game got patched and im not seeing tearing anymore on the PS5.

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The Nordic Game 2024 (NG24) Spring conference is to host more than 150 speakers

"While the 20 year anniversary edition of Nordic Game, NG24 Spring's homepage on 21-24 May in Malmö, Sweden, is getting closer, the organizers announced that more than 150 speakers are now lined up for the show." - Nordic Game.

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Quakecon Returns With BYOC

Glad to see it return. QuakeCon is back once again with the BYOC (Bring-Your-Own-Computer) gathering at the Gaylord Texan Resort & Convention Center in Grapevine, Texas, kicking off August 8 and culminating on Sunday, August 11.

DefenderOfDoom217h ago

I hope we get info and game play on what ID Software is working on for the last 3 years at QUAKECON 24 .

Garethvk17h ago

That would be nice. Likey going to get some reveals at the June showcases with a deeper look or hands-on at Quakecon.

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DF Weekly: New PS5 Pro GPU details emerge - including a 2.35GHz max boost clock

Digital Foundry has new details on the PS5 Pro GPU - including its maximum boost clock and new features.

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purple1011d 14h ago (Edited 1d 13h ago )

@christopher, yes will do,

Also, Can you just imagine what 1st party games will look like on this beast. The next horizon, or the next ratchet and clank, wolverine etc. it’s going to be insane graphics!!!

People on twitter are saying, this is similar to a downclocked RX7800xt. Which is £499 by its self. So expect this to be pricey.

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Number1TailzFan1d 8h ago

CPU is going to let it down though frame rate wise. Good GPU upgrade and tiny clock increase on a CPU that's been around since 2019. That's a pretty lop sided console.

Einhander19721d 5h ago (Edited 1d 5h ago )

That's not how it works on console... on console a lot of what is done on the CPU on PC is offloaded to the GPU on console. And even then it's rare to see games on console even when poorly optimized that are truly CPU bottlenecked.

And the whole argument is pointless because they can always lower resolution or post processing (PP is mostly be offloaded to GPU these days in well optimized games). And that's not even talking about the benefit of upscaling with PSSR and the fact that the PSSR and RT cores are independent from CU's making everything much more streamlined and efficient.

The CPU issue is the same type misinformation that was spread about PS5 like it won't have ML or be able to do FSR and won't have raytracing and all the other B.S. which unironically was all covered and spread by DF.

Cacabunga1d 1h ago

I prefer to hear about the games supporting PS Pro

TheViltsuZ21h ago(Edited 21h ago)

You are getting downvoted despite telling the facts.
Console kids are pathetic. Ready to waste 600€ on a useless Pro lol.

andy8520h ago

@TheViltsuZ useless Pro that is impossible to get better specs in a PC anywhere near the price? Alright 😂

Eonjay18h ago

@Einhander1972 are the RT cores independent of the CUs now? If that is the case then the next question is whether this is indicative of where Ryzen 4+ is going (a la Nvidia and Intel) or is this thing just custom to hell and back. Everything else you said is accurate and verified.

Eonjay18h ago

Regular PS5 already runs pretty solid framerates in mostly all games. The Pro will only make this even better.
Which is funny because I feel like you know they wouldn't release a broken product just because.

TrueRican6914h ago

Seen to me that we got a Xbox fanboy complaining about PlayStation

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Felix_Argyle_Catbro21h ago

If you care this much about specs then get a PC.
There is nothing more embarrassing than a console warrior masturbating over specs.

Eonjay18h ago

People care more about money than specs. The fact that you can get a $400 console and can game with modern graphic tech is really a savior to a lot of people. Gaming for all.

buffig23m ago

There are loads of things more embarrassing. One such example being told in big letters at the launch of a game, that it will require a 3rd party account. Then when told to sign up, throw all your toys out of the pram and act like its an assualt on your human rights, despite it being a standard industry practice and already signing up for dozens of very similar accounts. That's quite embarrassing

Felix_Argyle_Catbro21h ago

Insomniac leak revealed that the next Ratchet isn't coming out until 2029.

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darthv721d 13h ago

I'll buy one... then again I buy any & all new hardware releases.

Eonjay18h ago(Edited 18h ago)

Will you keep your original (for collection purposes) or do you see them when you upgrade? I think I might sell my PS5 when the Pro comes out (I don't need another one for my office or anything like that) and then put that money towards the Switch 2 when it comes out. So then keep the Pro and Switch 2 hooked up and rock out like that.

darthv7218h ago

Oh i always keep the original. It will still be needed to wear the spiderman side panels.

andy8511h ago

Personally I sell. I think my PS4 Pro cost me about £100 after selling regular PS4 I expect the PS5 Pro to be about £100 after I've sold my regular PS5 too. Certainly worth the upgrade cost

Hugodastrevas1d 11h ago

Yeah, cool, but what about some games for a change? Graphical prowess is all fine and dandy, but to use on what? Show me games Sony!

Einhander19721d 5h ago

Granblue Fantasy: Relink, Hell Divers 2, Rise of the Ronin, Final Fantasy: Rebirth, Stellar Blade.

So far I'd say this year has been stacked, I'm looking forward to Silent Hill 2 which also seems to be right around the corner.

Moegooner22h ago

Not a single first party exclusive. It's an embarrassment when taking into consideration the benchmark Sony set.

Charlieboy33320h ago

@ Moe All Sony's first party hits come out in the last 3 or so years of the generation. Happened with PS3, happened with PS4 and will happen with PS5. You either have memory loss or are just acting ignorant on purpose for some stupid reason.

shinoff218319h ago

For Sony to have a down year, it's acceptable. Especially considering the other side has went multiple years at a time without exclusives let alone good games. Let's be real moegooner

CrashMania19h ago(Edited 19h ago)

@Moegooner.

Guy names exclusives that all released in the first 4 months of the year. They are still there even if not first party.

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Einhander19721d 5h ago (Edited 1d 5h ago )

These guys are such haters, let me give some examples.

They talk about the Starfield 60 fps update while trying to cover their own butts after more or less telling people it couldn't happen because they were fully defending the fact that the game was locked at 30 FPS at release. (Which totally wasn't because the game was rushed out of course..) While going on and on about how revolutionary and innovative Microsoft is for having 40hz modes and unlocked framerate... Uh Miles Morales and Spider-Man Remake... pretty much every single Sony exclusive and remake this gen has had these features.... I guess they just forgot, since they didn't mention PlayStation or their games even once in that segment. But ya, we're all so glad for Microsoft innovation!

Then they talk about the PS5 Pro while avoiding talking about their previous framerate comments which haven't really aged well given how obviously misguided it was. They must have known what they were saying was questionable at best but they said it anyway...

And of course, that didn't keep them from talking down and using negative descriptors over and over when talking about the Pro. A perfect example is when they talk about how PS5 will have hardware VRS which they have constantly talked up in the past, but when they talk about it here it's all negativity, I liked when they showed a single still image of VRS they chose a game which they claimed to be the worst implementation to highlight the feature, got to make it look bad for PlayStation... Which is funny because in this video they do talk positively about VRS and how it will pair well with upscaling, but they don't talk about PSSR of course every upscaling tech but PSSR...

They also talk about NVIDIA bringing DLSS and ray tracing to older games, but have they ever mentioned the fact that PSSR is rumored to have the same feature of being able to be implemented on older games, not that I can remember and definitely not in this video...

The whole thing reminded me of their comparison videos where if they can find even a single segment of the PS5 version that drops under 60 FPS you can bet your lifesavings they are going to show that clip in the first 60 seconds of the video, even if the game holds 60 fps in the other 99% of the game.

Then getting back to framerate they took a question about the Switch 2 where a user asked if it could have 4k 60fps DLSS. Which they say is unlikely unless they lower resolution. Which apparently they didn't consider when they made their PS5 Pro video. After all, why would anyone think that the PS5 Pro would also be able to lower resolution and use things like DRS to maintain stable framerates on top of PSSR. It's not like DRS and resolutions lower than 4k have been used in basically every game for the whole generation... guess it just slipped their minds, honest oversight I'm sure.

And I like how in all the fan comments they responded too, they only took one question from a PlayStation owner which they just made look ridiculous while taking just the most fawning xbox questions for most of the other 99% of the user feedback.

I'm sure the usual people will write off or get angry at my opinion. But lots of people see them as extremely biased in their coverage, it's not just my opinion. There is a reason so few PlayStation owners support them on their Patreon... as the saying goes where there is smoke there is fire. If so many people view them as biased there must be a reason they all think that.

I truly wish we could have someone that does the kind of coverage they do but was actually neutral, heck I would be happy if they just admitted their own bias... though I'm sure the money doesn't allow them too.

Tacoboto1d 3h ago

I'm not angry about your opinion because your opinion makes it clear (as clear as this unstable word mess is) that:

You do not read or listen to anything you claim to pay attention to. They express concern about Starfield and how it likely won't even hold 60fps because Bethesda emphasizes VRR. They even complain that the 40hz mode comes tied to VRR displays when it shouldn't be required. They complain that Microsoft is introducing a difference between first party S and X modes. They complain about the Series S being left out because based on the X, there's image quality they could sacrifice.

Why the heck would they talk about PSSR when the topic of discussion with Nvidia was about an Nvidia exclusive software tool?

And VRS. They dont like VRS. They don't say it's been done well, that it isn't worth it, even on Xbox that does have hardware support.

This is the longest rant I've seen here, congrats on that and yet not having even one thing from the episode right.

S2Killinit1d ago (Edited 1d ago )

I wholeheartedly agree about DF being biased.

Eonjay18h ago

So besides the whole Sega thing, PC elitists for some reason believe that in order to be a fan of PC gaming, you have to pick a fight with Sony be cause its the largest in gaming and the console space. Also, Sony is top tier when it comes to developers and they feel like they need to tear down the console to get Sony to release day one on PC. The thing is, Sony is going day one on PC anyway and they are gonna keep doing the console thing. This pisses them off. They don't think that 'peasants' should have access to higher end gaming experiences. Its makes them feel special to have something someone else doesn't.

fsfsxii1d ago

Yeah nobody with a braincell that is functioning is taking DF seriously after they constantly downplay Playstation but praise nintendo to high heavens for having a game that boots up and runs at 15fps

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ReignMan_2718h ago

NXGamer on Youtube does, somewhat, the same type of coverage that Digital Foundry does. He has his own channel, but he works for IGN as well. Haven't watched any of his videos lately (work and other things have been taking up a lot of my time) but from what I remember from his videos, he seemed neutral and informative. He's just not as consistent as DF with his uploads

SeTTriP18h ago

Nxgamer does a good job without the bias.i said this when the details first got leaked (check my comments) and DF has always had an biases towards p.c and by extension MS.they hate the fact (to the point of being triggered) that PS exclusives be on par with p.c, that a 500 dollar plug n play model can keep up with thousand dollar p.c's it throws everything they know about specs out the window, and the one guy Alex can't control his bias and is easily triggered by sony's first party or get bitter when 3rd party games run better on ps.

As a ps fan who values honesty stay away from DF they bitter.

CantThinkOfAUsername17h ago

Funny. I just watched a video of Alex breaking down Nvidia presentation in GDC and talking about their technologies and better path tracing. Out of nowhere he showed a comparison between PS5 and 4090 in Alan Wake 2 saying how terrible and broken the reflections and shadows look on PS5 compared to PC. Good video, but the bias is real.

Umb7h ago

You can try NX Gamer
https://www.youtube.com/@NX...
Pretty neutral and balance.
I stopped listending to DF eversince the PS3 / X360 era. The MS shilling was staring to show.

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