Assassin's Creed Valhalla Runs Slightly Better On PS5 Compared to XSX

Assassin's Creed Valhalla has received its next-generation version with the launch of the PS5 and Xbox Series X and it appears to be a solid upgrade.

[SullysCigar]

Just chuck it on the pile with the others.

[potatoseal]

So many are eating crow right now. Just goes to show how well designed the PS5 is. Punching above it's weight and putting the "world's most powerful console" to shame.

[Sitdown]

Wait, so we not going to say it's because of poor optimizing by the developer now? Ubisoft is back on the approved list? Who are you all so bent on this console gang war?
Why are people eating crow?

[Ron_Danger]

@sitdown

One fan base will cry poor optimization... the other will side will be laughing at them because they’ve known that throwing powerful parts together doesn’t always equal a powerful final build.

And they’re eating crow because the most powerful console ever made is turning up to just be the man behind the curtain.

Vid for those who don’t get the reference:

https://m.youtube.com/watch...

[bouzebbal]

Last of my worries, which console runs 3rd party games best when the inferior of the two is actually performing pretty well..
Exclusives is really where it's at!!

[The Wood]

Sitdown

Just Stop

[4Sh0w]

So by "runs slightly better" he means a 1 second faster load time?

Come on...

...and a launch day 3rd party game is hardly going to push the strengths of either console. Parity well be down to the dev using extra power or not.

[Timbo81]

One does have to wonder, based on your comment if you actually read the article. “ The biggest difference appears to be regarding the load times, where the PS5 commands a roughly 12% difference. Although, in reality, this only translates to ~1 second lower load times on the PS5 compared to the Xbox Series X.”. While both systems are well designed and engineered, this punching above its weight amounts to approximately 1 second less in load time. Time to end this generation, the war has been won 🏳

[potatoseal]

@ sitdown, because PS5 has been getting crapped on for such a long time before the consoles were even out. Xbox fans saying how weak it is. Saying how it can't do 60 fps. Saying how it could never match 'the beast'. Saying how multiplats are going to be so much better on the Series X, and it's all complete BS. It's a total fallacy.

PS5 even gets the edge in this game and it's marketing was paid by MS. My point has ALWAYS BEEN, any difference between the 2 consoles when it comes to multiplats is going to be insignificant.

Sony 1st party will get the win with exclusives and how good they look, just like they always do.

[potatoseal]

@ timbo.

What is wrong with you people? It's not about which one performs better. It's about both versions being very similar. It's about any differences being largely insignificant. I'm not praising the 'PS5 performing sightly better", I'm praising the fact that the supposed weaker console is doing a damn fine job and showing the haters where they can shove it.

It's putting the Series X to shame because, on paper, and according to their hardcore fans, the Series X was going to run circles around the PS5.... and that's just not the case. Not even close.

[Timbo81]

What do you mean “ What is wrong with you people?” What people am I? You mean a gamer who likes all systems and thinks these immature rants about 1 second here, 2 tflops there, 5 more FPS amount the most ridiculous narrative driven by people who would rather argue than play video games? Who gives a f%€k. Seriously - you’re defending a system because people crap on it? It’s not your kid, it’s piece of silicone and metal that plays games. It’s become so embarrassing to be a gamer with all the ponies and xbots - it has to be the most toxic fan base out there. Get both FFS and just enjoy them. Who cares what others say.

[NeoGamer232]

Both systems are well designed. The are based off the same GPU, based off the same CPU, based off the same type of memory, and the real only difference is the architecture for storage. And from all seen so far they were different approaches with more or less the same result.

When you are comparing hardware that is barely reaching framerates of 30 fps like PS/360 to hardware that was moving into 50 fps (PS4/XBO), there was very noticeably differences. When you are comparing hardware that easily does 30 fps, is comfortable at 60 fps, and can get up to 120 fps the differences are not as visually noticeably but instead just feel better. You can't show that on videos.

[badz149]

@Sitdown

I think you can blame MS for their boasting prior to release..."most powerful console ever made", "best place to play", "no compromises", etc. When in reality compromises are made everywhere even in titles they said is going to show "THE POWER OF XBOX SERIES X" like Gears5 and FH4. And all these were exposed by none other than their own fluff piece, Digital Foundry. Should have focused on the games rather than flinging those talks about POWER and this wouldn't have happened.

This case for AC Valhalla is even funnier. First it was talks about it bein native 4K on SX compared to Upscaled on PS5 which was a huge lie...and now it even runs a bit betterbon PS5? LOL

Laugh all you want about the miniscule difference here but MS fanboys were trolling the PS4 as a weak 9TF machine not that long ago and were fully confident the SX will smoke it out of the gate much like the PS4 did to the original xbone in games. Funny isn't it?

[Babadook7]

I suspect the very high clocks combined with the excellent cache modifications are benefitting PS5 in the early comparisons. If this keeps up head to heads will get boring fast.

[Dragonscale]

@sitdown, so irs because 'poor optimisation' lol. If it was the other way around it'd be because PS5 is weak according to a certain fanbase..

[darthv72]

I guess, to be fair, when MS boasted about their SSD they didnt know what sort of SSD they would be up against. And while on paper the PS5 is double what the Series is... that doesnt really translate to much in real world comparison. Here is the ~1 second difference. Which goes to show that both did the right thing in taking data transfer more seriously. Neither is a slouch here and the games coming that will make use of the specific features of each are going to be some of the best. If a 3rd party cross gen game can be this good right off the bat.... just imagine the specific titles to come.

[Flewid638]

Im a Sony fanboy who's never owned an Xbox but....this doesnt show anything.

There are miniscule examples of games running better on Series-X as well. I still wont buy one, but barely a week into next gen, this doesn't demonstrate a thing.

[jznrpg]

@purple101 and DMC runs better on PS5 during gameplay than Series X and series X runs slightly better during cut scenes . Gameplay performance is what really matters and so far PS5 is doing much better than many Xbox fans hoped for , most of us knew they would be close . TFlops are theoretical not real world results .

[RedDevils]

Especially that xbox fanboy who keep bringing up DF this DF that.

[Mrxboxman]

Actually, most people literally don't care. We don't need youtube for one game to know which console is most powerful. It's obvious.. But whatever makes you feel better.

[Zeref]

So we just gonna pretend ubisoft doesn't aim for parity?

Like they have done in all previous generations.

AC oddysey and Origins run pretty much the same on PS4 Pro and Xbox One X even though Xbox One X is more powerful, so I wouldn't be cheering so soon If I were you.

[SullysCigar]

^ @Zeref, Xbox UK have confirmed that this game was OPTIMISED for Series X...

Microsoft also have the marketing rights...

I think it's time you started accepting that Cerney's PS5 architecture deep dive was all sound logic and we're now seeing his efforts coming to fruition.

[S2Killinit]

Haha seriously the crow eating dinner is turning into a feast of a thousand nights.

[lifeisgamesok]

I like this statement :)

[4U2NV]

😂🤣😭 LMAO!

[purple101]

Let me add to it. In digital foundry's analysis of devil may cry 5. Ps5 shows higher frame rates in many MANY parts. Sometimes by as much as 40fps more. Other parts Xbox is higher. But for the world most powerful console to be beaten (in parts) so significantly.. by just over 40 fps, I find, rather funny.

[Starman69]

Could u imagine if both machines ended up being identical. These forums would be quarter the size 🤣🤣

[Necr0philiac]

Big win for PS5. This is so exciting

[MagUk]

😂 watch the video people before you comment. Frame rate is slightly in favour of the series x and load times are slightly in favour of the PS5 NX gamer says they are basically identical. How did this get approved with the title it runs better on the PS5 when in the video he even says it runs ever so slightly better on the series x.

[MagUk]

@ Mayne err yeah that’s exactly what I said and NX gamer also said he’s sure the PS5 will dip to them lower bounds too. And since when is loading 1.52 seconds faster = to a game running better?
A more consistent frame rate is key to performance! I’d take that over loading a couple of seconds of that quicker.

[DigitallyAfflicted]

Way misleading title!!! Both versions are same nothing major. Ps5 loads game 2 sec faster then X...

[Darthpaul84]

Really? Give us some links showing ur claims. I actually never heard this guy make a claim either way just try and act like the only real difference is a 1.55 second load time. Series x ran this game at a higher average FPS and higher average res but those pale in comparison to a 1.55 second load time pretty big joke . Ps5 can’t outperform the series x when it’s not even being fully utilized u think it will get any better

[RazzerRedux]

Perhaps PS5 is as "underpowered" as some have claimed? Hmmm....

[RazzerRedux]

"not as"

lol

[sophie2574]

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[Godmars290]

Or that it was designed to have less of an asset loading bottleneck.

[lifeisgamesok]

This and I think it's their behind the scenes focus on low latency, high bandwidth and getting more cache hits instead of misses. The PS5 seems like a very well designed console

[phoenixwing]

Mark Cerny made the console easy for developers to make games. Because of this expect the ps5 to be punching above it's weight for quite some time.

[ScootaKuH]

No it's all a lie!

It's all about dem flops baby.

[neutralgamer1992]

🤪🤭😉

[Zeref]

Keep dreaming

[RazzerRedux]

I don't have to dream. Read the article

[lifeisgamesok]

You're right about one thing and there's no mandate for developers to use the Geometry Engine currently but once they do they'll have even more control over the geometry culling and yes it is more custom and likely better than the XSX's geometry processing

[DeadSilence]

All the TFLOPS talk just about to be absolutely crushed.

Based Mark CERNY.

[jukins]

Yep he clearly explained why more cus isn't always better and having less at higher speeds reduces diminishing returns. Its kinda amazing seeing all that super techy talk from the first show come to fruition. Just imagine once developers come to full grips of the console

[ClayRules2012]

Mark Cerny/PS5 = our version of “Cloud” technology! Oh the marvelous things Sony’s first party devs will achieve this generation, I can’t imagine.

Xbox Series X is like Mike Tyson - Both have amazing Raw power. Like Mike, Xbox will do great things (hopefully) this console generation for gamers. But while Powerful and having one of the most brutal punches in boxing history/along with some speed which helped Mike Tyson achieve amazing success and become one of boxing’s all time greatest fighters, Xbox Series X may not reach similar success.

PS5 is like Bruce Lee - Powerful/insanely fast, changed the world of martial arts forever, and was ahead of his time. And remarkably wise and humble in his learning and growing. PS5 is powerful like Xbox Series X, less TF, however that SSD is a big changer and thanks to Mark Cerny aka ip man. In this example (Bruce Lee’s master in martial arts growing up) PS5 has the advantage in areas that power alone just won’t make up for and fix. Bruce’s legacy has been remembered for so many years now, and PS5 will leave another unforgettable legacy in this generation for gamers, Sony/Cerny/and the developers to be so proud of.,

[S2Killinit]

LOL I didnt expect a lesson in martial arts. Sensei

[Interloper]

So Ps5 is going to die from an Asprin at a young age?

[ClayRules2012]

@S2Killinit
LOL. What can I say, it just came to me.

@Interloper
Well, now that you mention it🤷🏼‍♂️

[purple101]

I like this.

Meanwhile Xbox is butterbean (the boxer,. Look him up, I urge you. You will smile)

Very powerful..but very slow.

[PS-Gamer-1986]

Comparing series x to mike tyson isn't right. Mike destroyed his competition most of the time while series x won't hurt anybody

[solideagle]

I wouldn't claim that over jut 1-2 seconds improvement. I would wait for few more games to be quite honest with you and No, I am not xbox owner, always owned Playstation console.

[StoneyYoshi]

It also held a higher dynamic resolution during these tests. But for some reason in the video he said the resolutions are the same even though he stated they were not always the same. At the end he brought up the marginal fps difference but not the resolution difference. 🤔

[purple101]

Check dfs comparison on devil may cry.

Very interesting.

Haha..v. interesting indeed that ps5 is over 40fps ahead at points.

[zackeroniii]

what's even more funny is that this is gonna be a trend. devil may cry 5 also performed poorly on series x compared to ps5... but the POWAHHH

[Destiny1080]

series x version has consistent screen tearing, which for me makes it unplayable

[pingthing]

How would you know?, in a previous comment you claim to own a PS5.. make your mind up bud🤥🤷‍♂️

[Shikoku]

He can own both 🙄

[Minute Man 721]

Destiny owns both???? Nah 😆

[StoneyYoshi]

"How would you know?" The guy in the video says so... Did you watch the video?

Besides screen tearing can happen anywhere. Plenty of games over the years have had screen tearing on both systems so I'm sure he has experienced it to know if screen tearing is a deal breaker for him.

[SmokinAces]

Well I imagine he knows because he read the article where they clearly said screen tearing was more prevalent on series x.

[SullysCigar]

For the record, Dirt 5 also has notable screen tearing on Series X that is not a problem on PS5.

[Akarogg]

If you watch the video it's actually the opposite of what the headline says in terms of fps. They are very similar though.

[SierraGuy]

I noticed that too I'm not sure what's up with all that screen tearing and even studders when entering big sections of open world's.

The screen tearing is the worst at 120hz.

[LOGICWINS]

I actually wasn't expecting this. Cerny was smart to focus on removing bottlenecks as opposed to raw power.

[Shiken]

The article literally says the only difference is 1 second faster load times on the PS5. Screen tearing is occasional on both, both run at a smooth 60fps, and both average 1800p (did you even read it?). You ponys are making a big deal about 1 second like that somehow makes a big difference.

In reality, all that tells me is that the extra speed in the SSD is not as much as a game changer as some people think if it only gets you 1 second extra. I mean hell, that is about as significant as the extra .1 fps on the XSX version (meaningless on both accounts). It also tells me that this is a gen 8 game that is not pushing either console to the max, but is using the raw power of both to get around optimization.

In this case, this is pretty much a tie and both versions are a win. Clowns that are getting all worked up over something like this only makes their own fanbase look bad, regardless of the side.

[ThinkThink]

@Shiken,
Just think about all that you can do with that extra second. They add up ;)

[Rude-ro]

And to think Microsoft paid millions via gaming sites to make said comparisons “something” while trying to gain a foothold in the gaming market.

You can roll your eyes.. but the seeds were planted due to marketing tactics via Microsoft... so you kind of need to point your fingers at them.

Not making any new good game for close to a decease and only flexing “power” for third party games gets this type of “fan-war” going in the first place.

[StoneyYoshi]

"both run at a smooth 60fps, and both average 1800p"

But only one of them managed drop lower than 1800p and it wasn't the less powerful PS5. Also AC:V isn't using the next-gen SSD capabilities on either of these systems from what I've seen people say so the difference could be more substantial in future games.

[Dragonscale]

Someones downplaying now that the bullcrap about PS5 being inferior is being debased.

[Chriswheeler22]

I think the real lesson here is both the SSD and the power difference have been massively overhyped.

[Shiken]

@Chriswheeler

And we have a winner!

[Ju]

1sec is massive if that is not utilizing any hw decompression; or not at it's fullest which I am pretty sure it isn't. This a plain sequential load from a fast SSD - simply because this must work on all sort of machines. So, on brute force the PS5 is 12% faster. Look at how much data Spiderman loads in much less time than you know what we are talking about. So, this isn't optimized for either, and yet the PS5 holds up and also beats the Series X. I don't think the PS5 is faster, but it is much more balanced; consistent throughput, way less drops and low counts than the X (see DMC5)

[Shiken]

@Ju

DMCV ran more consistently ahead of PS5 in 3 out of 4 modes, and it is sited that the 4th mode is due to a glitch.

[Sirk7x]

This game is beautiful visually on Series X, and I'm sure it is as well on PS5. Alot of the problems I see are with the actual development of the game. Character animations in cut-scenes are wonky AS HELL, and I've run into an uncountable amount of bugs already. It's an enjoyable game, but it's obvious that it needed more dev time, and we'll probably be seeing patches for awhile to come. Hopefully.

[cfir]

Please select your Xbox Series X excuse from the following list
a) Lazy Developers
b) Developers don't understand the Microsoft APIs
c) It's not a proper next gen game, wait till the proper next gen games come out
d) Wait till E3

[SoulWarrior]

It'll be better once XSX gets directx25.

[Dragonscale]

And they discover the secret extra cpu secret sauce.

[Chevalier]

" I hear DX24 still can't outperform DX10 but DX25 Ultimate Super Supreme is going to change the universe!"

Pretty sure you got it wrong. The secret number for the universe is actually 42.

[Btf_1991]

Hmmm I don't see the CLOUDZZZ in your list

[TheTony316]

Or ESRam

[S2Killinit]

You cant go wrong with (d). Its usually the correct answer choice.

[Btf_1991]

Hmm maybe another choice for “all the above”?

[Minute Man 721]

Remember this "List" was started in the 360/PS3 era by Sony Fanboys 😆

[Ron_Danger]

You mean back when Sony created a chip that made it crazy hard for devs (even Sony first party) to program with?

Based on everything MS PR has been saying there shouldn’t be any issues with programming for XSX.

If you’re gonna try to pull a “but but Sony” comment, make sure you’re not using the selective memory portion of your brain.

[TheTony316]

d)

[ThinkThink]

E) launch title

[4U2NV]

🤣🤣 Ffs This thread is having me in tears today 🤣😭

[Stanjara]

d)

[derek]

Lol!

[cell989]

You forgot the accelerated software engine or whatever MS calls it

[Silly gameAr]

Uh oh. There was so many people that thought it would be the other way around. This is why it's better not to care so much about the looks of a game, and put more importance in the fun factor.

[Akarogg]

If you watch the video it's actually the opposite of what the headline says in terms of fps. They are very similar though.

[cfir]

PS5 does drop slightly more frames than XsX (0.02 FPS difference by the time they stop the frame rate comparison), but to maintain the frame rate XsX has screen tear and also drops to lower resolution. So, it's exactly as the heading says.

[Silly gameAr]

@Akarogg
Did you watch the video?

[Akarogg]

@cfir I said in terms of fps.

[Ron_Danger]

Hey Alarogg, I’m here with the forklift and crane... where do you want these goalposts moved to?

[Akarogg]

@Ron_Danger My first comment clearly said in terms of fps. No goal post have been moved.

[sin7279]

Mark cerny is a f..king genie!

[Sitdown]

Or he could just be a smart human who relies on knowledge and not magic. Hence the down to earth approach.

[Kdoge]

Magic

[The Wood]

Magic

[Mr_Luke]

Magic (sorry, i wanted to say it too :D )

[SierraGuy]

PS5 is magic.

[lelo2play]

^^^^
This is going to be another fanboy gangbang... LOL.

[The Wood]

lube up my guy. you wont feel a thing

[ClayRules2012]

Bloody hell🤦🏼‍♂️Lol

[lelo2play]

@The Wood

Don't worry my girl... I got lube, you provide the opening.
I wont feel a thing, you on the other hand... might feel something.

[Dragonscale]

They're used to it after the last 7 years.

[pingthing]

Got as far as 1 second difference in load times and realised it was click bait. Enjoy the rest of the comments, nothing to see here.

[S2Killinit]

Dont forget the screen tearing

[StoneyYoshi]

Also the fact that the XSX dynamic res went lower than the PS5's did but was bragged as "native 4k" before we heard the news.

[jukins]

Read further ps5 doesnt dip as low and as much in resolution compared to xsx.

[ScootaKuH]

But is there screen tearing? I bloody hope not!

I have the PS5 version sat here waiting for me but I can't play it yet because the PS5 itself doesn't launch in the UK until next that l Thursday 😢

[StoneyYoshi]

@ScootaaKuH

"But is there screen tearing?"

He said the PS5 is using V-sync, so no there is no screen tearing.

[TheTony316]

XSX has screen tearing and the resolution drops lower than on PS5.

[SmokinAces]

The take away here isn't how minimal the difference in load times are its how the better version is on the "under powered" console. Series x with its extra teraflops was supposed to be not just noticeably better but according to some far beyond PS5's capabilities and we are seeing that's simply not the case. Call it clickbait if you want but I have a feeling if the story was reversed claims of clickbait would be replaced with the obligatory comments of superiority for xbox.

[Dragonscale]

Nothing to see for the xbox fanboys lol.

[Relientk77]

Mark Cerny is one smart cookie. 🍪

[WillyC009]

Lol. Obscure observer & chief whatever are all gonna be upset by this. Not gonna lie, this is pretty hilarious 😂

[jukins]

Nah they'll either ignore or move the goalposts and just say blah blah 1 second faster loading while ignoring everything else

[WillyC009]

There are others on here already doing this. They’re jumping on the cutscene statement that Xbox runs slightly better as somehow being about the whole package. It’s just comical.

[Ristul]

Lmfao 😂😂😂

[TheTony316]

They'll just move the goalpost like always. Graphics don't matter anymore and it's all about FUN.

[RedDevils]

He gonna wait for DF to clarify it lol

[Chevalier]

Observer not so observant with the fan goggles on and Chief is the new Craig. 😆

[HotMoltenLava]

So one game........ nevermind. Game on.

[S2Killinit]

I believe so far the comparisons have all been in favor of the PS5. This wasnt the first.

[HotMoltenLava]

Well good for you. I did not see all that energy when they tested the loading times last week and Xbox loaded faster. I heard then it was because they were last gen games or cross gen. Does thaat apply now or because your piece of plastic is "winning" it's all good. Look, all I am trying get across to everyone is enjoy your games no matter where you game and stop with fanboy crap. I was doing the same on here in the past and trust me it is toxic as hell.

[SullysCigar]

^ you're talking about games from LAST GEN.

Let that sink in...

[SmokinAces]

Was supposed to be no games.

"and stop with fanboy crap".

"So one game........ nevermind"

Um?

[StoneyYoshi]

Good to know I'm not the only one who noticed this lol.

[HotMoltenLava]

Have a nice day sir.

[StoneyYoshi]

@SmokinAces

For someone named HotMoltenLava they sure cant take the heat! Let alone just having a conversation about this. 🤣

[StoneyYoshi]

"I did not see all that energy when they tested the loading times last week and Xbox loaded faster."

BC games Vs a Cross-Gen aka non BC game. Xbox better load BC games faster with all the work they have put into their implementation all these years compared to Sony and nobody is arguing that.

[HotMoltenLava]

Have a nice day sir. Game on.

[Godmars290]

And there was much rejoicing...

yaaaaa.....

(No honestly, who gives an honest f**k? Given that we're talking Ubisoft, lucky there's no nightmare fuel glitches.)

[S2Killinit]

True they will be more or less the same with each game being slighly better one way or the other. Exclusives and experience is where the real difference will be.

[JEECE]

Wait, these consoles are basically the same except for small, game-by-game differences? Who could have foreseen this?

[PS-Gamer-1986]

Uh oh the 12 teraflop cultists won't like this. Did their leader deceive them once again?

[JCOLE13195]

Hats off to Sony and the PS5. A well made machine for sure!

[PaleMoonDeath]

Is this because of the slightly better SSD or what..? this is quite surprising, in dumb terms can somebody explain why this may be the case? very surprised by these results I must say.

[Rude-ro]

Bottle necks and speed.

Teraflops is a measurement of power.
A basic architecture with no innovation and or drive to make games would put a company like Microsoft far behind the curve.
They basically are trying to strong arm how computing hardware should interact with THEIR software.

Sony, amd, nvidia etc have all been working together for the last 4 years focusing on better use of hardware and game engine innovations.

The focus was not resolution, but how to improve image quality while freeing up resource for the actual game. To thin out bottlenecks that are created with hardware working in concert.
4K is an image quality only. Pushing moving images at 4K pushes these resources hard. That is why heat becomes a factor.
The speed of which resolution is needed vs all the other things going on is beyond taxing in games. Everything needs to talk and the faster they can... the better the performance.

The difference will be small only because the last gen of gaming is still in full effect...
But as developers sit down with their game engines and work with said streamlining architecture provided by the top hardware developers of this gen... we will see some amazing advancements.

Most AAA third party games like your cod etc are still running on very old game engines that just get modified. There has been very little innovation and that is why a game like cod has an enormous file size. Just better textures and audio painted on top of what already existed.

We HAVE to remember..
Due to how bad the base Xbox ones power is and the fact that it is still being supported via Microsoft’s console family... all other consoles will not have issues with the early new gen games. The architecture and the lack of bottlenecks will show the better results.. ie sony.

But 100%... you will never see any difference that would make the gaming market go “wow” due to hardware alone.
Microsoft is so far behind in supporting developers with game engines, they are literally a gen behind and trying their hardest to look as good as the competition.
Why do you think everything they are showing off is last gen or the previous gen running better on the series x? Because it is the same game engines just running with more power.
Nothing innovate at all.

Microsoft thinks only for Microsoft. They market themselves to “sound” as good or better then whatever it is competing against.

Sony thinks about breaking barriers per their products/approaches. They gamble. The win some and lose some... but their focus is 100% innovation.

TVs, vcr vs Betamax, walkmens, cameras, consoles etc... < Sony’s footprint in innovation within the electronics family is untouched within history of electronics.
They have competitors with good products.. do not get me wrong.. but what Sony is is innovation.
Microsoft is marketing and monopolizing computer hardware to keep their leadership with their os

[PaleMoonDeath]

I kinda get it.. basically, PS5 exclusive games will be the genuine cream to wait for while Xbox titles will, as usual be lacking.. what a weird tactic, Microsoft are obviously going for a Netflix kinda service, kinda bizarre the approaches are so different.

[Chevalier]

Will the split RAM pool on Xbox be a bottle neck too?

[Software_Lover]

‘The biggest difference appears to be regarding the load times, where the PS5 commands a roughly 12% difference. Although, in reality, this only translates to ~1 second lower load times on the PS5 compared to the Xbox Series X.’

They wrote a fanboy headline for an average one second difference in load time and the usual suspects fell for it again.

[predex84]

Just like your full denial MS corporate defense comments?

[ClayRules2012]

Who’re the “usual suspects”🧐 they must be pointed out!

[Imalwaysright]

You are one of them.

[Outside_ofthe_Box]

12 TF vs "9.2TF" remember? That's the main take away

[thesoftware730]

Did you guys actually watch the video?

He gave a slight overall edge to the SX..
Slight screen tearing on SX, he said very small amount
Slightly locked better at 60fps on XSX
More w weird warping snow textures on PS5 snow
PS5 1sec 1/2 faster loading time

Overall he said they were almost identical and at the end gave a minor edge to the SX.

I mean these cross gen games are only the beginning, we all knew from Devs it wouldn't be a night and day difference more so slight ones and I think we will see more strengths and weaknesses when devs start making games with these systems in mind, not just upgrades from last gen.

[WillyC009]

No he actually didn’t. He was talking about cut scenes having the edge on series x. Not the overall package. Faster load times on PS5, no tearing like X and better resolution.

Why don’t people listen to everything being said?

[purple101]

Seems to be same with devil may cry.. Xbox has higher fps in cut scenes. Ps5 has better fps in gameplay

[SierraGuy]

Selective hearing 🙉.

[Why o why]

Hyper selective hearing and reasoning

[SmokinAces]

Wrong.

"To summarize, the game appears to run better on the PS5"
"The PS5 appears to hold a higher lower bound"
"the PS5 commands a roughly 12% difference."
"with PS5 taking a slight lead due to the load times and lower frequency of screen tearing."
"Digital Foundry’s John Linneman appears to agree that the PS5 version has the lead"

"we all knew from Devs it wouldn't be a night and day difference"

The problem is some people apparently didn't know that and claimed otherwise quite often.

[Clonetrooper1139]

Let the fanboys run their mouths. As usual, they demonstrate their ignorance. I read the article and laughed at the comments here by the morons.

[RazzerRedux]

"we all knew from Devs it wouldn't be a night and day difference"

Actually many here said we would see 30% or more better performance in XSX than PS5. So no, simply not true.

[FGHFGHFGH]

"we all knew from Devs it wouldn't be a night and day difference"

you sure about that?

"That has nothing to do with 3rd party games having the edge from the start of a gen on Xbox"

"After the systems were revealed(to present) "4k/60 dont really matter, I like 1440p, its the sweet spot, Loading faster and controller feed back is more important than anything"."

"Well said. All of a sudden new next gen graphical features dont matter, its all about a controller with feed back and faster load times,smh."

"Sony only fanboys is the only ones that want outta the graphics conversation now because they appear to have the weaker system. "

That's just from page 1 of your comments. Goal post moved for sure.

[Extermin8or3_]

Weren't xbox fans crowing the other day that the series x would supposedly have the better version.... oops.

[Whitey2k]

Dont forget that xsx also drops diwn to 1440p where ps5 maintains 1660p but thats remain 2 be seen if it did probably be less often then xsx

[MazeRunner]

console wars and the people who support it are fcking pathetic. both consoles got things going on for them. broke mofos are the only ones defending a piece of plastic cause they cant afford both. move up in life and join us, the real gamers, the ones who got everything.

[Challengerscatpack]

All hail the master race of multi-console owners! 🙌🏻 🤣 Series X is cool so far, PS5 needs to hurry up and get here!

[JCOLE13195]

I have a Series X right now but definitely getting a PS5 eventually.

[HotMoltenLava]

Completely agree. Well said.

[Minute Man 721]

It's on record that the PS5 is slightly easier to develop for

[jwillj2k4]

exactly better design and follow-through by sony thinking about how to get the most out of the console. Not like microsoft with their off the shelf parts thrown together while using a cross-console generic api that cant get the most out of any system. Parity for the loss.

[maybelovehate]

Pretty misleading headline. Xbox uses VRR, PS5 does not. The frame rate is actually on average higher on the Xbox Series X and the screen tearing is not a thing with VRR. Only an issue for gamers living in the past, ie console gamers haha

[Minute Man 721]

Let's use the other battle cry

"Exclusives will show the true powa" 😜

[russo121]

Minute Man, can you sleep well in the face of evidence your xbox is just as powerful as PS5, performing worst in multi-platform games? I advise you to take some Rennie - https://www.rennie.co.uk/ - you'll feel better.

[Binarycode]

PS5 was never underpowered.

Both Perform very Well.

What Surprised me the most was the Devil May Cry 120hz mode. PS5 has a very big lead fps wise.

But all these games are built on Old engines.

Be interesting what both can pull off as we go forward.

[ScootaKuH]

But XSX is teh worldz most POWERFUL! this shouldn't be happening!

[BioNeo]

The Video at 8:25 says it performs better on Series X
at 9:12 it loads 1 second faster on PS5
Why Do people mislead with their title
Why console wars
just buy both enjoy both and stop trying sabotage each other

[WillyC009]

He’s not speaking about the whole package. He’s referring to Xbox performing better in the cutscenes with less microstutter. The actual complete package is better on the PS5. It’s pretty clear in the video.

[NXFather]

What is the number for the higher overall across the board average that he claimed for nfl football? Or the stats if you really got proof? Watch this I don't know what you are talking about. NO actually NO one has any counter to me.

[mark3214uk]

why is the sx version so dark?

[buffig]

How can it be poor optimisation anyway when one console runs slightly better than the other. We going to say that for every game? Either way, it looks good on both, nobody will care. Apart from maybe the people who say, I only care about multiplatform games and Series X will run everything way better than PS5. They might care a little.

[gravedigger]

DX12U, Full power and only with full RDNA 2. Consistent clocks..... Oh well, what happened XSX.

[Whitey2k]

Tbh if its any1 NX or DF they would class it pretty much equal. But if theres more tearing on xsx and more 1440p compared to ps5 then its would be confirmed that ps5 would be a slight win to the ps5. Unless DF go into more detail about LoD and textures we wont know dor sure

[TheTony316]

it gets worse and worse for Xbots.

[DarXyde]

I think it's too early to say, really. I have three ideas of why this may be happening.

1. The PS5 is easier to develop for and you have to remember that TFlops is an entirely subjective metric of THEORETICAL performance. We know that because 6TF on GCN is not equivalent to 6TF on Navi. Additionally, Stadia has more TFLOPS than PS5, but I dare you to find a Stadia game that can even touch the Xbox One X. Purely theoretical, and if I had to guess, it's easier to get to the PS5's maximum theoretical performance than Series X's. At 85% efficiency, Series X hits about 10.2TF of performance.

2. PS5 is easier to develop for. That's it. For a while, X360 outperformed PS3, but the difference here is Series X isn't nearly as challenging as CELL.

3. We've known for a while that the two console designs are so different that depending on how the game itself is designed, it will make better use of one console's ability than the other. It is possible that Ubisoft gave priority to PS5 and the difference is not really significant at all. In the other direction with Xbox as lead platform, we might see a bigger difference, but we may not because there is the Series S. Truly, I wonder if we'll ever really see what 12TF can do on Series X, but it sounds like neither are going to disappoint you in terms of performance. Much more of a Playstation guy myself, but I'm sincerely doubting anyone is going to come away from these comparisons feeling like it's a blowout, which is exactly what every sensible person has been saying for months. I myself have been saying that you're not going to see a 2TF difference like you do with One X and Pro (still, it's early. Could be wrong). At the moment though, unless you need the xbox ecosystem or game pass, PS5 is an easy choice.

[purple101]

I rekon ps5 will be defacto lead console for all 3rd party games just as ps4 was.

PS3 days have been over for ten years. Sony is now undisputed leader. Xbots can cry about their 2tf advantage but the evidence in the games 1st or 3rd party suggest otherwise.

Just looking at the trailer for horizon zero dawn. It looks to me... Like about about 800dollars worth of of PC hardware! Thus, Ps5 is punching way way above it's weight.

[DarXyde]

It's a remarkably efficient design. Now imagine if a PS5 Pro comes out.

I currently don't have PS5 and for the first time ever, I might hold off until we get some hardware revisions/upgrades. Software is pretty strong right out of the gate, but I think waiting for it to slim down (or a more powerful variant) and come with a revised Dualsense (for battery life), I would thoroughly enjoy that.

[Akarogg]

If you watch the video it's actually the opposite of what the headline says in terms of fps. They are very similar though

[RazzerRedux]

Approximately .1 fps difference. No matter how anyone wants to spin this, the simple fact is that PS5 stands toe to toe with XSX in this game and the difference is negligible.

[Akarogg]

That's true, but the headline is still misleading.

[shabz666]

lol yess , its crazy how misleading that headline is. I guess they are getting the clicks though, But great video by nx gamer, his analysis is always great, looking forward to the DF review as well.

[Father__Merrin]

... Official Announcement 📢

Crow has been served and served extremely....
https://youtu.be/NhGlmeqt0m...

Series x might tear here and there but there both same same game one better at this one better at that. That's major crow serving. There's obviously a method applied to have constant voltage plus lower CU but higher clocks variable.

We was told the wars over by n4g fans how wrong they are. This generation is the generation of the Crow..

[Clonetrooper1139]

And here we go with the stupid comments. LOL>!

Jesus you people are pathetic. A 3rd party game pretty much equal except for an irrelevant load time and some more frequent tearing which can be addressed with a patch...and some morons start strutting like peacocks. LOLOLOLOL!

Fanboyism is truly a mental disorder.

[Whitey2k]

The problem is that u still get the same or get worse framerate compared to ps5

[Akarogg]

Frame rate is actually slightly better on Xbox if you watch the whole video

[purple101]

You ment resolution?

Devil may cry has better frame rate on ps5 though during gameplay.

[TheTony316]

someone's salty. LOLLOLOLOL!

[purple101]

Resolution dips below 1800p on one of the console, , and it's Xbox.

[boing1]

Good. Very good.

[Mr_Luke]

Mh... i remember that someone said the multiplatform games would run better on the other console.
Well, it could be a single case but who knows. I think we will see more things like this.

[gamer7804]

so nearly identical in terms of performance fps, i skimmed the video but didn't see much talked about visually. This game the consoles are pretty much identical. so as i said before get ACV on whichever console you want to play, it makes no difference really. I'm really curious to see how cyberpunk goes, cause lets be honest, that's the game all of us are waiting for.

[DeadManMMX]

This is an entire article about how the games load time 1 second Less on ps5. Oy. Looking below I’m Really curious how many people read this article.

[Minute Man 721]

Most articles on N4G sensational headlines

[purple101]

Yeh you need to actually watch nx gamer on YouTube. The transcription in the article leaves bits out.

[Mister_G]

And it was optimized for the X too, according to a tweet from Xbox UK. Interesting. Let battle commence :)

[Mr Logic]

That just means it's not the X1 version. Ubisoft is not optimizing one console over another.

[HASHTAGSMITTY]

Throughout the video you can see the SX running at a more stable 60 although PS5 less than a frame behind in most cases and because of that @8:25 he gives the slight advantage to the X in terms of overall performance... Says PS5 has "5% - 12%" load time advantage which equates to .5sec to 1.5sec max faster load time.

Title is a bit misleading.. PS5 loads faster... XS performs better.

[SullysCigar]

You forgot about the resolution dips being notably larger on Xbox. I found that interesting and unexpected.

[RgR]

Didn't microsoft have advertising rights?

Regardless just comes to show both consoles are relatively on par.

Except one will have better experiences qnd has an amazing controller.

[DaveZero]

Fanboys on both sides will eat this up and I wouldnt read to much into it because ubisoft can optimise differently on different platforms just like any other console developer can.

Most people wont even bloody notice the differences, games are to fast for people to nit pick.

What does make me laugh is how Sony Fanboys have all of a sudden tried to bite back over this and according to them it isnt about performance it's about the games, yet they are arguing over a games performance, proves tall just full of Horse crap. All about the games was an arguement made by Sony Fanboys ever since Xbox one X came out and was better than the sony hardware on the market, of course with nothing to throw back at xbox the excuses arguement changed and it will do so again now, the never ending circle.

[SullysCigar]

Xbox UK have explicitly confirmed that this was optimised for Series X. Which is interesting..

[Nacho_Z]

Well if you can have the best games and the best hardware then happy days.

It's argument not arguement btw, I don't normally correct spelling because I'm not perfect myself but I noticed that you use the word a lot in your misguided defences of Xbox.

[fastNslowww]

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[CantThinkOfAUsername]

Sigh. Does it really matter?
They have comparable performance you can't go wrong with either. PS5 and Xbox Series X, AMD and Intel, AMD and Nvidia, they all trade blows, so just buy whichever you like the most. It's a great time to be a gamer.

[velodappart]

Woah ps5 is impressive i like it

[azedean]

That is absolutely normal, as I said before, PS5 has a better front end far beyond rdna 2 with the geometry engine and a better rasterization helped also by the infinity cash.

[jznrpg]

XboxSX is a screen tearing beast .

[adaminoregon]

But, but the teraflops.......... lol.

[Manic2014]

Did anyone actually watch the video or read the article?

It's nothing to do with power but the load time. Jeez some of you guys just want to start a fire.

[sourOG]

Valhalla doesn’t use the haptic feedback and it’s noticeable after playing miles morales. Even changing menu tabs is satisfying lol. It would be a shame if companies didn’t take advantage of the controller like Valhalla.

[Aussieguy]

I just come in here to say, this is going to happen all generation and each console will have a win in different games and all the fanboys will be coming in and bragging like they've won something each time.

As long as your enjoying your console and its games who cares right ?

[YourMommySpoils]

As expected. Too many flops on that xbox.

[ironmonkey]

Damnnnnnn

[Angrymorgan]

Soo, no real difference then...

[wolf581]

When a week ago there was a statement that assassins is 4k native 60 on xsx and 4k dynamic up to 60 on ps5 I said...no way this will be true...and here we r again like yakuza ....I have said it long ago even here in n4g when I saw for the frst time the specs of ps5 and hear cernys video...ps5 has no bottlenecks its faster and with some programming can outperform xsx...

[kayoss]

When the next gen was announced, all I hear from fans from both sides were tflop this tflop that and which console have the most tflops. It’s not all about tflop. You can have a ton of tflop but if you don’t utilize them properly with all the other components, your console won’t run as well as a console that is built with more efficiency and less bottleneck.

[CptDville]

Because fans this, because fans that, seconds, mine is better, blah blah blah. Now I get the peasants speech.
Console fan player base are just kids raging and bragging about scraps.

[xenz]

Almost 2TF advantage, faster RAM (only 10GB) and faster CPU clock results in 0.02 fps advantage, lower resolution (would expect native 4K tbh), screen tearing and worse loading.. sounds like a big win?

[Zerobalance]

Check NXG review. Tells a different story. This is what Sony fanatics want to here. The truth is a little bit boring. So it doesn't fit their agenda.

[YourMommySpoils]

No wonder uncle Phil wants one.

[Darthpaul84]

The ps5 has a lower average resolution lower average FPS than the s and x. Worse lighting shadows and draw distances than the s and x so to try and act like less than a two second load time is a huge difference is laughable. The series x is just brute forcing every game better than the competition at this point