Sony Confirms There's No Free PS5 Upgrade For PS4 Spider-Man Players

There are still a lot of questions surrounding Spider-Man on PlayStation 5. The good news? We have answers. The bad news? Well, the answers themselves.

[TGGJustin]

Disappointing although I don't think every owner should've got it. If you only owned the base game on PS4 why should you get a remaster that has all the DLC with it? If you owned the game and season pass on PS4 it should've been free.

Sony is making a move like Nintendo would here where they know people will buy it anyway so why do the best move for your most loyal customers? Hate to see it. I will say that the people complaining about not being able to buy it on it's own confuse me. Like you're telling me you're a huge Spider-Man fan yet you don't want to buy Miles Morales but just a remaster? C'mon now.

[xHeavYx]

As a Playstation fan I agree with you. It's a really bad move from Sony's part and yells Money Hungry.
I do hope people will speak out and things will change, especially since I got Spiderman on day 1 and the DLCs.

[Homushi]

so normally these next gen games are gonna cost anywhere from $50-$70. This MM game is normally $50, and for the additional $20 you will have remastered version of the game included. It's not bad value at all. The original game looks amazing, you probably wont need the remaster at all, so if you are interested in this game, just get Spiderman MM standard and save yourself the $20.

[xHeavYx]

@Homushi
I already gave Sony about $90 for the first game and the DLC, and an extra $50 for the Miles Morales game. I feel like I shouldn't have to pay anything else for the upgrade.

[kreate]

When I previously stated that ppl will have to buy the PS4 version, than re buy the PS5 version, ppl laughed at me and I got hordes of thumbs down from the PlayStation fanboys.

[Dir_en_grey]

People forget that work costs money, and the decision for free upgrade most likely due to as follows:
- Free upgrade: 1. Auto system side performance improvement, like higher resolution & framerate mode, which takes less tweaks to make it work. 2. They are already making the game assets for next gen during production, and making lower polygon/texture versions of everything is less work to just make a version of downgraded assets as you go.
- Upgrade that costs more money due to more time & work needed: 1. Higher poly count or complete remake of 3D models. 2. If raytracing wasn't planned, they would have to go back and replace all texture assets that faked baked in lighting.

When Spiderman was made they most likely didn't plan to make PS5 quality assets, and since this is most likely not just a performance upgrade, extra work and man power went in to make a good PS5 version is the reason for having to charge for the extra man power that went in.

[bouzebbal]

Hold on, didn't most of those crying buy the last of us remastered on PS4 while owning ps3 version ? Same we're having here, just better .. Remastered tlou had only better resolution.. Spiderman is made from ground up with SSD ray tracing and more..
Again, you dont want it, stick with the PS4 version, exactly like I did with tlou remastered..
On top of that spiderman PS4 is compatible PS5.

[Rocketisleague]

This is what you get for supporting the paid remasters since PS3 days instead of simple backwards compatibility?

What do you guys expect? Don't expect free upgrades with new hardware from console manufacturers, just get a PC if thats what you want.

Really, on this site I here one thing: backwards compatibility is pointless - don't go backwards go forwards(I totally disagree), now here we are with a standard example of what Sony have been doing for years and its bad now? I agree its bad, but what do you expect when you support this **** for years?

[Ratty]

"Spiderman is made from ground up with SSD ray tracing and more.."

You're just throwing terms around without understanding their meaning. You don't make games with "SSD." SSD is just a storage technology. You don't have to adjust your software to run on an SSD xD Imagine if they did that for PC games. Skyrim SSD Edition.

You do have a point that the game has had extra work and care added to it but it was not in any way "remade from the ground up." They didn't start from scratch or anything. They took what they already had and built on top of that. Even when they remaster games for higher resolutions they rarely even touch character models. But like I said, you do have a point that it's not just a lazy higher resolution port with a full price tag slapped on it. I still don't think people who own the PS4 version of the game should have to pay full price for it.

[VariantAEC]

@Ratty (and others ITT too)

Uh... You certainly can make games around SSD. Try playing Asphalt 9 Legends on you PC (a mobile game) using an HDD!
Ray-tracing requires fundamental tweaks and may completely eliminate the need for cubemaps but also requires far less aggressive culling and an optimized BVH model especially seeing as how we're talking about an open world. I wouldn't surprise me if Insomniac opted to render the city twice (the second time in a lower quality) just for the ray trace! Plus the game has new content. Did TLoU offer anything more than a higher resolution and FPS? No.

So this is a considerable improvement and is $20 dollars extra or $10 more Marvel's Spider-Man: Miles Morales and the original with PS5 specific enhancements.

Makes me happy I didn't buy the SP or CE of the original.
This is not at all a "Nintendo move" we're getting much more than MK8D or really nearly any cross-platform or remaster of a game Nintendo would put out.
It's ironic that people want all this work for finished games made for hardware that doesn't support RT to get a free upgrade. I mean we might see that for MSFS but how many other finished games are going to get full-fat RT for free? Even on PC this looks like it will be rare. Fortnite and Minecraft and any other GAAS games don't count as they are expected to get upgraded in many cases significantly as time goes on.SFS actually fits into that category.

[RememberThe357]

Of course you should be able to buy it separately. And of course you should be able to upgrade your PS4 version. If not a free upgrade why not allow people a $10 upgrade for the original game? And buy MM whenever they feel like it? Upgrades for PS4 games are gonna be pricey and I'm looking at PC more and more the more Sony talks.

Any way we can glitch the matrix and get CDPR to buy Playstation? I fkn hate this console launch. PS5 has become a fkn disaster to me. Playstation is turning into Activision and I fkn hate it.

[Babadook7]

Seeing as they are seperate titles, (this is not the first game but a sequel) I don't have a problem here. Miles Morales PS4 upgrades for free to PS5.

[RememberThe357]

They're separate titles but they shouldn't be sold separately? No issue with a bundle at all, but this is Acti with the Modern Warfare remaster all over again. Must have worked for Acti or Sony wouldn't have done it too. Still BS.

[umair_s51]

Haha. Inappropriate. Damage control. Haha.

[gameslayer2411]

Figured I would put it on this comment as well as a comment by itself, but James Stevenson of Insomniac has stated on Twitter that they are currently looking at adding a way to purchase the spiderman Remaster Separately.

[Profchaos]

It sucks but I understand a lot of additional work went into the project to remaster it and they really didn't have to actually do that.
But also I've platnuimed the game on ps4 and beat the DLC I will be picking up mm but I'm tossing up as to should I bother buying the special edition is this something I actually want to go back and revisit or should I just buy the standard edition and if I feel the need pick up the special edition down the line I just don't want to bother with all those side missions again.

[Seraphim]

I'm disappointed but I can care less. I played through the game and got the Platinum at release. Also, recently I went back to play the DLCs and it was a complete cluster F trying to re-learn all the tools at my disposal and how to play the game. Honestly I don't know why I bother buying DLCs because I either never play them or this happens.

Regardless it's disappointing but unfortunately no one owes any consumer an upgrade. I do feel more developers, including Sony should provide free updates instead of milking the same cow over and over again every generation. It's gotten worse than movies where you've already bought the VHS, then the Laser Disc &/or DVD, then the Blu Ray and now 4k copy of said movie. How many times can we re-purchase the same content before we're had enough? Or do we now just pass on everything and wait for the inevitable. Now I didn't read the article but those who have a copy and have confirmed purchases of the DLC. Why not add a $5 option to upgrade? Or even $10 since companies seem to think money grows on trees and we're all loaded. whatever, I'll stick with what my memory tells me of the game and play the sequel whenever it drops. No skin off my back.

[lelo2play]

Sony returning to their old ways... arrogant.

[mrsolidsteel20]

I saw this when they mentioned all of the bells and whistles that was coming with the remastered version.

Miles Morales must be a downgraded version of the PS5, hence why they’re giving the free upgrade to PS4 owners to PS5.

[shepherdzeMan]

this should have been a 9.99-19.99$ max DLC expansion, with free upgrade to PS5 , what greedy bastards.

Microsoft has already won the next generation before even starting.
Just imagine getting in elder scrolls 6 for 1 effing dollar ! Thats value

[mrsolidsteel20]

@shepherdzman

What MS is doing with gamepass is ultimately bad for gamers, unless you don’t want to own you games anymore.

But to each their own

[FanboySpotter]

@mrsolidsteel20
What the.. how is gamepass 'ultimately' bad for gamers? 🤔 it gives the user discounts on games the sub has for those that want to keep the games. Or just play all EA, Bethesda, MS first party games day 1.. which really is the best deal you can get if next gen games are getting more pricey.

[No Way]

mrsolidsteel20 - it's always good to know what you're talking about before you start talking. You can buy the games from GamePass, and usually (if not always) at a discount. So you don't have to lose the game when it leaves GamePass, it just means you have to buy it for cheaper than you normally would (at 'new' price).

GamePass really doesn't have many negatives. The only complaint people have is that it could be 'shovelware' software. But, I really don't see that argument, either.

[WillyC009]

Not sure how Microsoft won anything, but thanks for the laugh!

[1Victor]

@sheperd is that the same world where sega kept making consoles and Nintendo PlayStation never got refused? Microsoft got no imagination they buy it from the people that does.
Regardless what we want this companies does what they think we want the Spider-Man game is a old game that got remastered like many games before and they charge for the work they did plain and simple if you want it get it if you don’t play something else buying all the spansions doesn’t entitle anyone to the new remastered work done years later.
It’s like asking Microsoft to give the master chief collection FREE because we played all the games and their expansions 💩🤦🏿 👩🏽‍🦯 internet logic

[darthv72]

Victor, if you have the master chief games then pop them into an X and you will get the remasters for free. Or did you not know that?

[ShadowWolf712]

So you've played it and know exactly what the content is? It's literally only the size of a single chapter of the City That Never Sleeps arc?

[OptimusDK]

@mrsolidsteel20 Yeahh - much better paying 70USD per game for the 23 studios (+ more teams) pumping games out to gamepass. Much better.
I saw that 70 pct of PS4 gamers went digital - so there are not many like you left. How many buy FILM on BluRay vs. streaming - maybe you can see the future there. This will happen and it is a good thing.

[Wrex369]

@solidsteel

That's a joke. I can pay 25$ a month entry point to start next gen while you're going to pay MINIMUM 399$, plus whichever game/s you're going to buy.... so how is what Sony doing more consumer friendly, or more specifically how is what microsoft doing "bad for gamers" as you put it. When sony has so much less to offer us, in general in terms of value, during a pandemic when so many of us are suffering? I'm sorry but that sentiment is a freaking joke.

[Master-Tonberry]

Xbox all access is ultimately just a credit agreement attached to an Xbox game pass subscription. You're locked into 24 months of gamepass whether you continue to get value from it or not and if you miss a payment it could seriously affect your credit rating. Plus I believe that Microsoft have said that they might lock your account as well.

Game pass on it's own is a good deal but All Access is something that people should seriously think through before committing.

[RememberThe357]

They think when they buy games that they own games. They don't realize they're only buying a license.

[Saigon]

You do realize you have to be approved to do that right? Not everyone has good credit, so not everyone will benefit from that finance option.Honestly its a great move but only a few can benefit from it.

[darthv72]

"What MS is doing with gamepass is ultimately bad for gamers, unless you don’t want to own you games anymore."

Under what circumstances did you come to that conclusion? In no way does someone being a member of GP no longer have the ability to buy their games. Quite the contrary actually. speaking for myself, it is because of GP and that $15 a month that has lead me to go out and buy copies of SoR4, Darksiders Genesis, Hotshot Racing and a few others.

Sure I could just play them in GP but those are not MS games so they will eventually leave the service. And I liked them so much that I bought them (physical where available). So you cant say its only for those who dont want to own their games. GTFO with that shit.

[LOGICWINS]

I was buying the Ultimate Edition anyways, but this is a bad move by Sony nonetheless as it's setting a precedent for future PS4 to PS5 upgrades.

This is 2006 Sony all over again.....

[GoodGuy09]

Theyve got all the confidence and backing of last gen to see that this is fine. Sure the sales will be high but if sony keeps this up with being scummy, people will riot. But then again nintendos always been scummy too and ninty fans still love them lol. Its all up to the games in the end really.

[morganfell]

Yeah because major overhauls of a game that require coding, artwork, modeling, and re-engineering eating a great deal of man hours = money, should be free.

This upgrade is a little more than higher frames and some ray tracing.

[morganfell]

Double post

[NeoGamer232]

There is a core set of fans for any product, religion, or political cult. No matter what changes those people will never move willingly. Then there is the 60% of people that are logical. Sony will start to lose some of the 60% that they have if they keep doing stuff like this.

Sony should be championing the upgrade program... Not encouraging devts to avoid it.

[-Foxtrot]

It's shit but why is it everytime Sony steps out of line like once suddenly everyone goes "Oh it's JUST LIKE 2006"...come on.

Even back then the whole "get two jobs" was twisted from "It's so good you'll want to get two jobs", not a better statement by means but not as bad as what was made out.

[mrsolidsteel20]

Don’t bother even responding to those type guys.

these last couple of days, these guys are waiting for Sony to slip up on something, so they can get the same heat poor MS gets all of the time.

[LOGICWINS]

But this isn't the first time Sony has stepped out of line:

$70 1st party games

Paid PS5 enhancements

Deceptive marketing with regards to cross-gen games PS4/PS5 games

The PS Plus Playstation Collection for PS5 owners with NO PS5 enchancements.

Sony is at their best when they're worried about the competition. It currently doesn't seem like they are.

[morganfell]

News flash, if you want AAA you are going to have to pay for it. If only the development of major titles came at the same cost as 2006. Even if Sony gave away the upgrade for free some people would be screaming it wasn’t enough and then would proceed to tell us all what a billion dollar company should be doing.

[LOGICWINS]

@morganfell I'll gladly pay for it personally, but this implies that TLOU 2 and Ghosts of Tsushima owners will have to double dip if they want PS5 enhancements. Not the smartest play when the competition is mandating free upgrades for 1st party titles.

[morganfell]

“... but this implies...”

But we do not know that for sure. Here is something on which you may depend. Which ever way this equation factors out, the decision is already made. These matters are planned in advance. It’s a bit like people thinking Sony might alter the price of the PS5 at the last moment when the decision, as some of us stated, was made long before and was locked. A matter which turned out to be true.

Either way, it does mean that predicting doom and gloom alters nothing. It may or may not be true. I will say I would find it odd that GoT would offer the new mode and additions for free then charge for the upgrade.

In addition both titles finished development far later in the cycle than did spider-man and quite likely both Naughty Dog and Sucker Punch had dev units in house while working on their respective recent titles. This means they may under the direction of Sony have been able to make allowances in house for PS5 upgrades so the monetary impact of a PS5 upgrade will be negligible. Time will tell. Sony had issued a guideline directing all PS4 titles after July 13 had to run on PS5 and no doubt being so close to launch those games will function out of the box on new hardware. The argument now becomes whether work to improve those titles so they do more than run on the PS5 should be free. Suddenly B/C is not enough for certain users but rather B/C with improvements must also be free. Something I consider on a case by case basis depending upon the degree of work.

[nyctophilia13]

The way people cry in this site, you'd think they have zero jobs.

[morganfell]

"Not the smartest play when the competition is mandating free upgrades for 1st party titles."

One other note, and please understand I enjoy such discussions and am not being argumentative in the least. But lets be honest, the competition has not produced any first party title like TLOU2 or GoT.

@ nyctophilia13

It is the consumer's right to complain. It does not mean their complaint carries validity. There are after all some individuals here that I question if gaming should be their hobby.

[RememberThe357]

The two jobs quote was misquoted to death, same with the Halo killer bs. But this is tough to watch as Xbox offers free updates to their first party games, buys Bathesda, and Sony offers... what exactly? The opportunity to spend more money on fewer games? Oh joy!

@Morgan You're obviously not wrong that these kinds of updates take work that has to be paid for. But we're customers, we don't have to care about any of that. Our job on this market is to pay what we see as fair prices. Sony hasn't even spoken about PS4 upgrades outside of the Spider-Man remaster. Will Ghost get an upgrade? Surely since that big expansion is coming, why not tell us about how that'll work? What about TLOU2? Will they be free upgrades or this that off the table? If they're charging for the upgrades, how much will they charge? And frankly if CDPR can find it in their budget to give free upgrades of Witcher 3 I have a very hard time with the idea that Sony can't figure it out.

[morganfell]

@357,

The CDPR comparison is hardly applicable. Though they are both in the gaming business they have vastly different offerings and responsibilities. One game at a time versus everything with which Sony must deal is hardly a decent reflection of approaches.

[RememberThe357]

@Morgan
The comparison to CDPR work for how I'm looking at the situation. Sony hasn't even spoken about this issue of upgrades, yet CDPR put out one press release and we know all we need to know from them. If Sony had the same development capacity as CDPR I'd totally agree there'd be no way they could handle making new games, new content, and upgrading previous PS4 titles. But Sony is substantially larger than CDPR and I have a hard time thinking they don't have the capacity to upgrade, at the very least, their biggest games. They've made billions off PlayStation this generation, they can upgrade their biggest PS4 titles to PS5, charge a little more for the folks just buying it for PS5 and offer a small upgrade fee to current PS4 owners, even discount it for PS+ users. They could offer differing degrees of upgrades depending ont he title and the price for the upgrades could very based on that. But Sony is chosing to keep this vague and that annoys me.

[morganfell]

Then you are not looking at the bigger picture. You are looking at a single company that has to manage one active game with one in development and perhaps one on the drawing board versus a company handling multiple studios with numerous projects, 3rd party software, a hardware business, two online subscription services, cross game engagement, etc etc

Larger means more moving parts, more responsibility, more moving complexity, and more interdependence. Every developer working on free upgrades is not working on a new title that has to support a hardware business. That single factor alone puts Sony in an entirely different field altogether. Hardware support.

The fact is we know what is happening with Spider-man...and very little else. Why isn't Sony spilling the beans? They are managing a billion dollar company, an enterprise so far beyond the grasp of the average gamer it isn't even funny. This isn't a lemonade stand. Based on their current position, I would say Sony's wisdom and decisions over a few angry gamers and their "wut I wood do" ideas.

[RememberThe357]

Again, I'm just a customer, I don't need to have a grand vision of Sony as a corporate entity. I need to decide where value is for me. And for me, relevant information is relevant. Pre-orders have started for both consoles and Sony is still playing coy. I don't care what sort of long term strategy Sony has because I'm not Sony, I'm me. From my much smaller, or narrow, perspective I need more info from them on how their platform is going to handle certain aspects of gaming I enjoy. If they're unwilling to answery questions then I'm unwilling to pay them for their content. That doesn't need to be more complicated or complex. I don't work for Sony I enjoy their products, if they don't want to inform me that's on them. If Sony doesn't want to do regular upgrades to their PS4 games, just tell us. If PS5 isn't gonna run PS4 games better inherently, tell us. If PS+ collection is where most of that updating work went, tell us. Maybe this is more on the media, maybe not, I just know I have more questions about what Sony is doing than I'm comfortable with.

[ziggurcat]

"But this isn't the first time Sony has stepped out of line:

$70 1st party games"

All games are going up to $70, this is not specific to Sony

"Paid PS5 enhancements"

It's not "paid PS5 enhancements"

"Deceptive marketing with regards to cross-gen games PS4/PS5 games"

Not once did they say any of the PS5 titles weren't going to be on Ps4 as well.

"The PS Plus Playstation Collection for PS5 owners with NO PS5 enchancements."

That's not true.

[morganfell]

Well said ziggurcat.

If you truly want value then you have to hold a comprehension of a corporation’s vision because purchasing a console at launch is an investment in that very vision.

I grasp what you mean but understanding a company’s plans are central to your investment in their product. It’s called being a smart consumer. It also means understanding why a billion dollar company is playing their cards close to their chest, particularly with their main division. That doesn’t mean becoming their acolyte, it’s simply a mature understanding of business and why they may not be ready to spill all the beans. You do not have to like not getting your way but you should at least understand it. Especially when such companies are making moves with knowledge, insight, and data to which the standard consumer has zero access.

[VariantAEC]

@Morgan
The disagrees you're getting tells me no one is using there heads here.
This is a fanboy war. Bow out, we're outnumbered.

(Yeah, I agreed with basically everything you said)

[XabiDaChosenOne]

Didn't you say Xbox live was going to be free because if not it would be anti consumer? What year represents that version of Microsoft?

[LOGICWINS]

Locking a portion of a game you already paid $60/$70 for behind a paywall is absolutely anti-consumer. I'm still hopeful that either Microsoft or Sony ends this practice.....more so Microsoft because they don't charge PC players to play online.

[ziggurcat]

"Locking a portion of a game you already paid $60/$70 for behind a paywall is absolutely anti-consumer."

If you pop the PS4 disc into or boot the digital version of Spider-Man on PS5, you will still get some enhancements. The *remaster* is a separate thing. So nothing is being locked out or put behind a paywall.

[Baza]

There’s a difference between an “upgrade” and a “remaster”.. since when have remasters been given out for free to previous owners

[mrsolidsteel20]

@Baza

I’m still waiting for Crytek to send me my free copy of Crysis ;).

[darthv72]

Practically every 360 game on the XBO is a remaster of the original. And those are free if you have the original disc to validate. There are no 360 assets installed from the disc, it is all downloaded from XBL.

[ziggurcat]

@darth

I think they've mislead you to believe that you're getting a true remaster by popping an X360 game into your Xbox One X.

[Extermin8or3_]

@darthv72 erm no they are not remasters. They are upgrades- same game running slightly better with perhaps the odd tweaks that noting downloads from the disc is irrelevant. Same could be said of next gen upgrades for games out at release such as assassins creed you'll need pa4 disc if you buy disc version but the ps5 version will be what install itself from the Internet...

[throne]

sure you were lol.....best to actually wait and see how the other ps4 to ps5 upgrades will be since MM and HFW definitely will instead of fake outrage

[GameZenith]

2006 Sony was far from humble and modest. They were a bit arrogant coming off the blowout success of the PS2.

[TGGJustin]

2006 Sony made a console that was difficult for developers to make games on, priced it at $600, and had no real compelling games for a couple years. You have no idea what you're talking about.

2020 Sony made a console that is even better for devs than PS4 from what devs are saying, they offered different pricing options, and they have maybe the best first year lineup of exclusives that anyone has ever seen with only 2017 Switch coming close. Sorry but Sony is still doing PLENTY right.

[XabiDaChosenOne]

Bit of deflection there, just looking for a simple answer on what year Microsoft is in with charging one player base for online connectivity and another gets it free.

[SPEAKxTHExTRUTH]

I 100% agree. Sony is being anti consumer but when their fans just accept everything they do and make excuses for everything they do this is the end result. MS started the current gen very anti consumer and look where it got them. Now every move MS makes with Xbox is consumer friendly.

[Extermin8or3_]

How is it? This isn't a simple upgrade. This is the case of insomniac taking the original and doing some serious work to remaster it and use new character models, better environment models, ray tracing etc. It is not simply a higher resolution ans higher frame rate with some basic rat tracing applied like most next gen upgrades will be. Also this is to a 3 year old game not a game imminently releasing where the next gen work could be done in development then downgraded- they had to go take the game and redo the work to get this running. They deserve the what 20 dollars the remaster is effectively costing. Its a bonus aimed at those that really want it or haven't got the game already hence it isbt available standalone.

[FyBy]

From spiderman ps4 player point of view it can be strange decision, but on the other way this is probably meant for new PS player, who will buy PS5 - they can buy whole new PS5 spiderman game.
Sony probably thought, people who played Spiderman PS4 dont want to play it again on PS5.
If they allowed free upgrade, nobody will pay full price for new spiderman PS5 and instead buys old PS4 version and gets upgrade.

So :
1)its for people, that never played spiderman
2)its not for people, who played spiderman on ps4

From this point of view it makes sense.

[RazzerRedux]

This is stupid if for no other reason than it is just playing into Microsoft's hand and highlighting their "smart delivery" feature.

[mrsolidsteel20]

Don’t speak so soon, DMC 5 does not have smart delivery option.

[mrsolidsteel20]

@boomernag

Is there a mandate on first party titles? If so I’m unaware that.

If you guys are thinking what MS is doing with their first party games, I think they’re allowing the devs to their games at ultra settings, at least that’s what they explained with Gears 5.

They’re not redoing textures or anything of the sort.

[darthv72]

"They’re not redoing textures or anything of the sort."

Yes... they are. There are different set of assets for each iteration of the game. And depending on the hardware installed (1S, 1X, SS, SX) it installs the assets accordingly.

[VariantAEC]

@darthv72
Citation?

[purple101]

Bit any ps4 game in a ps5 will play better.

But in this case it's a remaster so there not giving that away for free.

It's not like if you bought a 3-year old game plopped it in your new console and expected the whole thing to be remastered. !No, it will be slightly better though.

[Tacoboto]

Remaster or not, there is zero technical reason for this. Pop the disc in, have the system download the PS5 version instead of installing the disc content.

CDPR is giving the 2015 Witcher 3 a free next-gen upgrade for all existing owners. How are third-parties smarter and more respectful to their customers than the darn platform holder?

[RememberThe357]

Honestly I think Sony knows if they can keep making great games people will justify the purchase. CDPR is just on an other wave length. They seem to understand their customers are more than their wallets. This makes them look great and makes whatever else they do look that much better.

[Rocketisleague]

When a company dominates a generation this happens,

Sony and Ps2s dominance led to the Ps3 poor performance early on, the online system sucked and the architecutre was completely outlandish(regardless of the high performance). MS with X360 forced their way into a matching position with Ps3 even leading for a good while, eventually got arrogant, created kinect and somewhat fked up with the xbox one this gen.

Ps3s failure to dominate last gen(ie: Sony lost alot of their influence last gen) led to the ps4 dominating this gen completely. As the gen is coming to a close MS are forced to innovate again to compete, while Sony have become silly and arrogant again. Not offering anything new has become a staple of Sony, but at least they always have their exclusive games their and ready to go - thats one thing that hasn't faltered throughout sonys gaming record. except maybe the start of the PS3 era. Just the start though.

[Father__Merrin]

They should not be giving an entire remaster for free just pop your spiderman disk in and play the game you bought with possible added features

[dazsarge]

The remaster is not just a graphically upgraded version like Kotaku is saying. More details in the official blog

The remaster for the PS5 is no simple up-res, as many of the game’s art assets have been completely updated to take advantage of the PS5 console’s horsepower. You’ll see better-looking characters with improved skin, eyes, hair, and facial animation (including our new, next-generation Peter Parker). You’ll also see ray-traced reflections and ambient shadows, improved lighting, more pedestrians and vehicles stretching further into the distance, and the same optional performance mode offered on Marvel’s Spider-Man: Miles Morales, allowing you to finally play the game at a targeted 60fps frame rate. We’ll be supporting near-instant loading, 3D audio, and the DualSense controller’s haptic feedback. Lastly we’re adding three amazing new Spider-Man suits, new photo mode features, and even new trophies for those of you looking to Platinum the game all over again.
https://blog.playstation.co...

[mrsolidsteel20]

I think they already announced the differences between the original game vs the remastered yesterday.

[waverider]

Its a remastered. And they think this is just rez up..... They dont even got spidermann....

[Bruh]

Play Has NO Limits

**Except for upgrades, we charge for upgrades, technically there's a limit there but blah blah for the gamers

[MohammadAdam]

For the payers!

[mrsolidsteel20]

@MohammadAdam

Dumb corny....

[FlyGuyHung]

For The Payers!

Fixed*

[BLAKHOODe]

For everything you're getting an extra $20 isn't that much. Plus, the price will go down eventually - they always do, so wait a few more months and get MMUE on sale.

[thesoftware730]

Remaster my ass.

Its like a mid gen upgrade, they could have easily made this "Remaster" a free download and gave people more reason to buy a PS5 at launch. They charging $70? booo to you Sony.

BTW if companies Remasters something from PS4-pro or Xbox one X and trying to sell it at premium price as a New "Remaster" I'm calling BS unless its on a Demon Souls Remake type level. This gen dont appear to be a massive graphical leap as of yet to justify already selling a last gen game as new-ish..its total BS.

[Sunny_D]

Wrong.

The remaster for the PS5 is no simple up-res, as many of the game’s art assets have been completely updated to take advantage of the PS5 console’s horsepower. You’ll see better-looking characters with improved skin, eyes, hair, and facial animation (including our new, next-generation Peter Parker). You’ll also see ray-traced reflections and ambient shadows, improved lighting, more pedestrians and vehicles stretching further into the distance, and the same optional performance mode offered on Marvel’s Spider-Man: Miles Morales, allowing you to finally play the game at a targeted 60fps frame rate. We’ll be supporting near-instant loading, 3D audio, and the DualSense controller’s haptic feedback. Lastly we’re adding three amazing new Spider-Man suits, new photo mode features, and even new trophies for those of you looking to Platinum the game all over again.

[waverider]

Dude, dont waste time. Logic wont work. is easy to see who is writting here. They should go talk about the price of the SSD..... how cheap it is....

[thesoftware730]

My man, Gears 5 is adding RT as well, 120fps mode, polished graphics all fro free.

So is Doom: Eternal..All updated for free.

Cyberpunk 2077 free upgrade.

AC creed: Vallhala free upgrade.

Some would argue that some of those games have better graphichs than SM "Remaster" And yes, I know the difference, they are supposedly using new assests..which I can tell you is not worth a full premium price upgrade, at bear minimum offer it discounted..$70 tho? You good with that?

Improved, texture? Skin. Animation , lighting and RT is something tons of Next gen games are doing..another sony mind trick telling you it's a Remaster...go compare screens and the average person couldn't tell the difference, and without being a peeper..some hardcore gamers will have to take a 2nd glance.

You can pretend this is good when the competition is making power moves all you want..but it dont make it right or smart.

Due to a some recent revelations I have been seeing a lot of people on here who didn't care for xbox actually committed to getting one now..interesting times in deed.

[Sunny_D]

@software

It depends on how much of a remaster it is tbh. If Insomniac shows us how much of an improvement it is, then I guess we can decide if it's worth it.

[aconnellan]

To be clear, they all sound like great features, and I’m sure they’ll make the experience better, and for some worth the price of entry.

As a counter, every time we’d hear news on Xbox games and their Series X versions (using thesoftware730’s Gears of War example) where there were new ‘next gen only’ features available for free via Smart Delivery, as well as things like cross play and cross save, there’d be a barrage of “well duh, Sony will be doing this too, MS is just making up a marketing term for something everyone is doing!”

Now there’s an extra cost associated for this ‘remaster’ of a 2 year old game, and suddenly the narrative is “well of course, because it took them work to do, so of course it costs extra, please take my money”

And to be clear I’m not saying you’re one of the people who were making those first arguments, but it was very much the general sentiment across this site just some months (hell, weeks) ago. Just seems a bit of a disingenuous argument is all I’m saying

[ShadowWolf712]

"Some would argue that some of those games have better graphichs than SM "Remaster"."
Who would argue that when they literally haven't even seen it?

"And yes, I know the difference, they are supposedly using new assests..which I can tell you is not worth a full premium price upgrade, at bear minimum offer it discounted..$70 tho? You good with that?"

You're not paying $70 for that, you're paying $20. $50 gets you a whole new game.

[CrimsonWing69]

Wow Sony, way to go!

Making it easier and easier to pick you over the competitor!

[lociefer]

If you do mental gymnastics to defend this you're a piece of sh*t

[ziggurcat]

This is a remaster. The regular PS4 version will get some enhancements (likely framerate, and possibly resolution), just not the ones included with the remastered version that are specific to features related to the PS5.

There's no mental gymnastics at all.

[northpaws]

I believe the original Spiderman can still be played on PS5 with improved frame rate and resolution. Just not getting the remastered version for free which a lot more additional efforts were put into.

So, hard work get compensated, I don't see what is wrong behind that logic.

[mcz]

Having to pay for the upgrade is not the biggest problem for me. I get it, it's not a simple upgrade in resolution and framerate, but they don't even give the existing ps4 owners of Spiderman an option to pay for the upgrade separately. I mean they could charge like $10 for the ps5 upgrade, or at least sell the remaster version as a standalone for $20. Instead they bundle the remaster version with Miles Morales for full $70.

[ShadowWolf712]

Who realistically wouldn't be buying the game's sequel?

[northpaws]

@ShadowWolf

Exactly, I can't imagine someone who care about the game enough that they need the remaster so bad but doesn't want the sequel at all. They are contradicting themselves and just trying to find issues from nothing.

[northpaws]

@mcz

So, I am just curious, are you going to get Spiderman: MM, if not, why?

[mcz]

@northpaws

I do intend on buying MM. The thing is games are really expensive where I live and before playing MM I would like to replay the original game. I would like the option to pay $10 or $20 now just for Spiderman PS4 and then wait until next year to get MM at a discounted price. Since Sony already made the decision to charge for the upgrade, then at least give us some flexibility.

[jznrpg]

It literally costs 20$ extra for all of the upgrades they are doing . Read it first . They changed assets ray tracing etc etc for 20$ if you don’t want to pay it and just want res bump and load time use your old disc .

[Minute Man 721]

Nah bro the full price is $70

[AnotherGamer]

Read it again.

[MrNinosan]

No it’s not. 70$ is Miles Morales with Spider Man on top of that

[outsider1624]

Ok so i have the Spiderman digital edition. Does this mean that i can upgrade Spiderman for 20$? Or do i have to just buy a brand new one.

[MrNinosan]

If you buy Miles Morales, you can get the remastered Spider-Man for just 20$ extra, or you can play the version you have now for free.

[Petebloodyonion]

If it's a dick move when Remedy does the same to Control owners then it's a dick move when Sony does it to Spiderman man (with DLC) owners.
Again I don't have a problem if they would offer the upgrade at cheap 10$ for current users but No they are asking the loyal fan base to double-dip.

[mrsolidsteel20]

I agree, but Control is not a remastered at all. It’s literally the same game.

[Killer73nova]

Bullshit remaster it’s a two year old game

[Petebloodyonion]

Call it whatever you want it's still the next-gen version of the game
The base game will get Backward compatibility improvement (boost mode) while the next-gen version will get some visual upgrades like Ray tracing, 4k textures, etc.
It's exactly the same for Control.

[aconnellan]

Demon’s Souls is a remaster. Spider-Man came out 2 years ago, if that - it’s an upgrade with some PS5 features, hardly worth the title of remaster

[ShadowWolf712]

TLOU was remastered after two years. I don't recall even a fraction of this amount of fuss over that being called a Remaster... and it was less of an upgrade than Spider-Man is. They're not just changing textures, they're changing physics, hair, the models themselves.

[outsider1624]

I just read it. All i want is to be able to pay to upgrade for SpidermanPS4( since they added quite a lot).
Atleast I can rest easy knowing in the future if i want to upgrade or not.

[Minute Man 721]

This is some BS.

[I_am_Batman]

I want Spider-Man Miles Morales anyway, but they should at least offer an option for people that want to buy the remaster separately. I think that 20-30 bucks for the definitive edition with all the dlc included, would be a good deal, but having it behind the Ultimate edition paywall doesn't make sense to me.

[Petebloodyonion]

And how much does CD Projekt Red charge will charge again for the next-gen upgrade of The Witcher3?

[CantThinkOfAUsername]

It's free for The Witcher 3 owners, though, they are not handling the remaster themselves.

[Minute Man 721]

Sony is too confident and once again thinking their sh!t don't stink.

[MrNinosan]

If we don’t get Sea of Thieves, Forza, Gears in remastered edition day 1 for free on Series X I’ll have to cry with all those xbox crybabies who suddenly care about a PS exclusive.
I mean, why would I just be happy with playing Forza and Gears I already bought. I demand full remake with new stuff.

[akaFullMetal]

Shitty move Sony, especially if you bought the DLC. Let Sony know we're not happy.

[Dirtnapstor]

Well, diagramming that is a huge cluster. Honestly, I'll just stick to the PS4 version on my Pro. There's just not enough space on that SSD to warrant moving over some of my collection onto the PS5... especially if there are no free upgrades.

[Sayai jin]

Not a good look Sony, not at all. It is only highlighting Smart Delivery.

[Battlestar23]

I just wish DMC5 was a free upgrade too.

[Sayai jin]

Yup, DMC5 should be a free upgrade.

[MrNinosan]

Smart Delivery is just fake propaganda. In the beginning the word was that all games on Xbox was going to use ”Smart Delivery”.
The only reason Smart Delivery is a thing is because MS doesn’t have exclusive games, so they need to transfer whatever they can.

Sony has as many, if not more ”free” upgrades, but why call it Smart Delivery when it’s just a another word for backwardscompatibility with benefits.

[Petebloodyonion]

1) MS said that all the games made by MS studio would use Smart delivery and that they were pushing for 3rd party to use it. Still, 3rd parties publishers can do whatever they want.
2) Smart delivery isn't backward compatibility with benefits it's about paying 1 time for the game and having the best version available for your system. A quick example would be PC/Xbox that I don't need to pay the superior PC version when I buy the Xbox1 version.
Smart delivery implies future version as well.

[aconnellan]

https://www.gamesradar.com/...

Gears 5 on Series X will include double the fps of the One X version (and looking into 120fps for multiplayer), better lighting/contrasting, better shadow details, ray tracing, etc

Can you explain how that’s the same as backwards comparability?

And if that’s another word for “backwards compatibility” (with ‘benefits’) then what’s it called that Sony is doing with Spider-Man? Where if you want the version that has PS5 features then you have to pay extra?

If Smart Delivery was fake propaganda, wouldn’t Sony be doing be doing the same thing, with the same benefits, at the same (free) cost?

[dsammy04]

Although this is very disappointing I was really looking forward to the free upgrade, I get it. It would be a harder pill to swallow if Spiderman came out this year but this is a game that came out 2 years ago. It isnt technically a crossgen game. The ultimate edition is essentially for the people who didn't play it on PS4. As long as the MM version is a fully fleshed game and I get 10 to 20 hours I will be happy.

I won't be buying my PS5 to play games I have already beaten and platinum on PS4. I have seen everything in Spiderman despite better visuals/loading times. I'm ok playing the PS4 version if I'm itching to swing around New York.

Plus give it 3-4 months I guarantee it's on a Flash Sale or weekly deal.

[Battlestar23]

Disappointing so much for the best place to play. You are giving Microsoft the Ammo they need to win over the Playstation fanbase with their recent acquisition there is less reasons to own a ps5. The remaster should be free to everyone who has payed for the original.

[AnotherGamer]

Yall know this is kotaku right?

[StoneColdCrazy]

More disappointing news from sony

[waverider]

More? Its not for 90% here, they dont even have a PS4....

[StoneColdCrazy]

Agreed , but the latest information from Sony are not optimistic and we can agree with this because it is another of them...

[waverider]

There some that keep talking about a DLC... Spideman is 55 gigas. Spiderman Miles Morales is 50 gigas.

[Elda]

This may bother other folks but I played Spiderman & all the dlc on my PS4 Pro. I'm ready to move on to play the PS5 version of Spiderman:MM.

[mrsolidsteel20]

The funny part about this, the same ppl that are bitching are going to buy the remastered version of Spider-Man.

[Elda]

Sometimes that's usually the case.

[MrNinosan]

Not really, because most of the people bitching have never played Spider-man because they don’t own the console where it runs.

[TheColbertinator]

Despicable tactic. I would have understood if at least the digital version was applied but this is just shameful.

[DiRtY]

I was told that a price hike for Sony games was good news. Wonder how amazed you guys are with this one.

[treeman]

never heard free upgrade to remastered edition.
so... is there anythin to complain??

[1nsomniac]

So after posting that Sony is clearly against providing any free upgrades if possible and getting disagrees from the “Sony - Do no wrong” brigade. Despite Sony pretty adamant about the comments they had been making regarding it. Hopefully this will clear it up for them.

I won’t be buying it anyway. I’ll be giving the money to Demon Souls instead as I think they’ve put more work in and deserve it more.

[gameslayer2411]

James Stevenson of Insonniac Games has posted on Twitter that they are looking for a way to offer the remaster for purchase separately

[GameZenith]

Lol

[Gnarshaka]

Imagine expecting a free vehicle upgrade every time a new model comes out...I'm am glad sony said this as i haven't played it yet but own it. Now i have something to play while waiting for the ps5.

[Challengerscatpack]

The amount of people sticking up for this is insane. I have Spider-Man on my PS4, you can’t just give me the PS5 version? Or charge me $20-30 for it? I have to spend $70 (plus the original $60) to get the same game and the new DLC game and I can’t even use my old saves so I have to start all over in the game? Really disappointing, I’ll just stick to OG Spider-Man on PS5.

Gears 5 is a free upgrade to an optimized, upgraded version of the Xbox One version. Companies can do it, Sony chose not to.

[outsider1624]

Calm down. I just looked into it. It seems Insomniac will find a way to make it seperate and charge accordingly.

[isarai]

As someone who just wants more games, that's a bit of a bummer. As someone who gets basic business sense, that's not a surprise 🤷‍♂️

[FinalSpero]

Why are we normalizing remasters for games that have been out for 1-2 years? I have the same issue with Control. They should at least be making the PS4 version BC so I can play it on PS5 without having to pay.

[Artemidorus]

Not a good move.

[Mr_Luke]

I hoped there was.. :( Well, i will survive :P

[SinisterKieran]

i've rarely heard of a remaster getting a free upgrade. like i never expected a free upgrade with bioshock, cod, tomb raider etc. so why would i care, i already played spiderman on ps4 and mile morales will do me just fine.

[Sophisticated_Chap]

Sony's definitely going in a different direction than Xbox.... disappointing for those who already own the game.

[deadfrag]

No Smart delivery from Sony on there IPs! When I see other small developers giving the option and Sony direct competition also allowing people that have the Xbox one version of a certain game update to a better and better looking option for free,all I can say is Sony move is Lame and encapsulate the greed they seem to go for during next-generation.

[DragonWarrior19]

Well that's disappointing but I'm still only getting the regular Miles Morales version. I platinumed Spiderman on PS4, I don't need it on PS5.

[spdarksky]

Well.. what chicken sh1t is this..!? no free upgrade is just plain greedy.. Sony please, you can do better for your fans..

[RangerWalk267]

They are certainly anti consumer. I guess they do need the money.

[glennhkboy]

It seems that Sony is making the same mistake they made on the lunch of PS3 - over confidence on their brand loyalty. Sony seems to believe that they can charge their customer what ever it want on the branding alone (both hardware & games).

[kwiksilver99]

This next generation sure is gonna be interesting. While I had earlier planned on getting a ps5 on release, I have now, decided to wait for a year at the very least ( quite a few reasons for that) and watch how things pan out till then. My Ps4 backlog will keep me company till then.

[gannzk]

Just pure greed. Sony nickel and dimes to the max next gen... .

[Binarycode]

a lot of discussion about gamespASS,

It's good value if the content is good for you, but if you'vev already played most of these titles then it isn't.

I still play a few games that are old, but thats emulation, i'd much rather pay for a new title.

[garos82]

not a good look especially with the price increase of next gen games

[philm87]

It's two years old, this is why there's not a free upgrade.

[G4M3R_4_L1F3]

Gears of war 5 is 2 years old as well. spiderman was a massive hit would be nice to get a free upgrade and only have to pay 50 bucks for spiderman MM if you already own Spiderman on PS4 instead of 70 bucks

[UnHoly_One]

Of course Sony will make you pay again.

They always rip you off but everyone loves them anyway.

[ARESWARLORD]

I find it unbelievable how everybody keeps on sticking up for these horrible practices that are running on the PlayStation 5.

Microsoft pushed free upgrades for everyone and Sony's is the complete opposite

You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain

[Father__Merrin]

If it was lesser of a remaster ie same game with touch ups that's OK. But a full remaster is possibly more difficult to give away.

Has anyone got any examples of free remaster upgrades and not just next gen upgrades.

Mafia 2 and 3 definitive versions with much improvements gameplay and visually are free upgrades, but Mafia 1 is a full remaster with new texture lights visuals etc this is not free for existing users in fact you will have to buy it.

Has anyone got any examples of full remasters given free? I just want to read about them..

[LucidIllusion]

Not a good business strategy Sony. Sony can be quite complacent at times.

[Games1st]

Zero interest in that game now. I'll wait for a proper sequel.

[Ulf]

Man, the crying never stops.

It's a different platform. Nintendo didn't offer freebie upgrades for Wii U Breath of the Wild, did they? Why should Sony be held to a higher bar?

[Phantom68]

So third party offer free upgrade but Sony does not even if you bought the game and the season pass? Seriously Sony you need to relook at this and listen to the community

[BillyG0AT]

'For The Players'