'No One Should Be Disappointed at PS5 Exclusives Also Launching on PS4', Says Sony

PlayStation boss Jim Ryan said no one should be disappointed at the news that some PS5 exclusives are actually also launching on PS4.

[Sonyslave3]

Lol didn't he say back in May that he believes in generations and creating experience that only possible on the ps5 😆

Dude straight up lied to us, make you wonder what else is lying about. Damn Sony some cold bloody mutha fakers let MS take the heat for cross gen games for 5 months just to low key do the same.

[blackblades]

If that was the exact quote that wasnt lying, lying would've been saying none of these games are going to be on ps4 and then now saying they will be on ps4. Y'all just assumed that every game was ps5 only.

[sampsonon]

Shhhh! lent him vent. It's like dealing with a whiny toddler, you need them to cry themselves to sleep sometimes.

[GamerRN]

Actually they did say the games would be explosive to this generation. If you read the full quotes you'll see they stated that they said in response to Xbox being cross gen that they would focus on PS5 and bring only games that could only work with next gen features.

They lied...

[Marquinho]

Not only it was a lie but it was a very low way of acting. Also... where is the console? We're almost October and nobody has seen it. What's the deal with backwards compatibility? Will those game be improved just like in XSX or they will just "run" on PS5. Are we getting free upgrades from TLOU2 and Ghost of Tsushima?

This is information the userbase deserve to know. You have Microsoft unveiling every single bit of information they can since December 2019. They have taken a lot of heat for being honest (and making mistakes while doing so), and now Sony raises the prices of their games and contradicts themselves by releasing next-gen games on PS4 and they don't expect anyone to be disappointed? This is ridiculous.

[RauLeCreuset]

"If that was the exact quote that wasnt lying, lying would've been saying none of these games are going to be on ps4 and then now saying they will be on ps4. Y'all just assumed that every game was ps5 only."

I was starting to think reading comprehension is a lost art.

[RauLeCreuset]

@GamerRN

Produce the quote and link where they stated they would bring ONLY games that could ONLY work with next gen features.

[darthv72]

Just like with MS, this is a really good decision. Most games for a new gen start out as ones for a current gen. So it makes sense to finish them for current while making them work for next gen as well. Too many times have people said "this new game looks like last gen" its because it started that way.

Im not upset at all. I expect more first party cross gen next year as well.

[bouzebbal]

That's called commitment to loyal fans who don't have 500 bucks to throw-in a new hardware day one but are excited to get more games on the console they have..
Very unexpected nice move about Horizon

[AngelicIceDiamond]

"Y'all just assumed that every game was ps5 only."

Who's "y'all" exactly? Major gaming outlets and major YT channels reporting since early this year after MS said the first year or 2 will be cross gen. Then Sony at that time said their games will be built from the ground up for PS5. Then reiterated again before their first showcase. That's been their campaign all year up until yesterday. I guess you were the only one that saw Sony had those PS4 versions through out those smoke and mirrors?

[Sunny_D]

https://www.google.com/amp/...

He did lie. They said that exactly. There’s no going around it.

[Marquinho]

Anyone endorsing this is either endorsing lying or misleading. There's no way to go around it:

“IT IS TIME TO GIVE THE PLAYSTATION COMMUNITY SOMETHING NEW, SOMETHING DIFFERENT, THAT CAN REALLY ONLY BE ENJOYED ON PS5”

By the way, this price increase will favor Game Pass. A lot of people won't be willing to spend so much money in games.

[4Sh0w]

huh?

“We do believe in generations, and whether it’s the DualSense controller, whether it’s the 3D audio, whether it’s the multiple ways that the SSD can be used... we are thinking that it is time to give the PlayStation community something new, something different, that can really only be enjoyed on PS5.” -Jim Ryan, Playstation Head May 29th, 2020
https://www.theverge.com/20...

"It isn’t just about faster loading time. You take a great developer like Insomniac and they found a way to say ‘ok look, here’s a game that could only be made on PlayStation 5, on this generation, using this technology."

"When asked if it would be possible to make the same game for PlayStation 5, Lempel elaborates: “It would be a different experience. According to everything Insomniac has told us, this hardware allows them to deliver on this vision. They could not make it [on PlayStation 4]. If they did it would just be different. You would be playing a different type of game and the experience would be different.” -Eric Lempel, Playstation Global Marketing July 17, 2020
https://www.gamasutra.com/v...

-Why defend that?

[Babadook7]

If he had said “all ps5 games should be next gen only” he lied. He didn’t say that explicitly. He said “[some] games should be next gen only”. So far this seems to be true. IE Demons Souls.

The more important part is that XSX games look like cross gen, and ps5 games look better.

[JBlaze226]

blackblades that is lying to the first degree. if you feel otherwise then your just in denial.

[Unspoken]

Wow, Sony has to tell their fans not to cry about their decision to release on PS4, we need a fire department to put out those burns 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🤦‍♂️

These guys were absolutely raked over the coals by Sony and they keep asking for more...

[Babadook7]

@above

They don't have to tell "fans" that. The fans don't care because they see next gen games. Now being on PS4 doesn't change what they showed. They have to tell trolls like you.

"Yes! Now I can play the garbage port that is Horizon Zero Dawn and brute force my way through all the stutters and fps drops."

[Steppenwolfmother]

@4sh0w
Your quote from insomniac about “only being possible on PS5” was talking about Ratchet and Clank: Rift Apart which is only coming to PS5, not Spider-Man Miles Morales. So they didn’t lie at all.

Sony said they believe in making games only for PS5, which they are doing. It’s the press and fans that have filled the blanks and assumed that meant all games

[pwnmaster3000]

That’s the art of business.
He didn’t really just twisted the words to make it, that’s that PR bs.

I don’t mind the cross gen since I don’t think I’ll be able to get the PS5 but it raises questions.

1. Will it hold back the PS5
2. If it doesn’t will it mean PS4 owners will get shitty version of the game, where the game is to advance for the hardware. For example Witcher 3 on the switch
I feel like Sony should Of just let the exclusive first party go To only ps5.

[Alexious]

Yeah, I would have preferred if they were PS5 only.

[sampsonon]

Shitty version? That's a little harsh no? It won't be the best version, but that's to be expected no? I think it's smart to have these games, especially because of the pandemic and the loss of income people have suffered across the world, then for the ps4 to just dry up. I mean there are over 100 million ps4's out there and Sony knows that sales for the ps5 won't be great because of the shortage and the economy. They can't make a 100 million game and then try to sell it to just 10 million people.
I wouldn't worry too much, the next batch of games will be all ps5. And from the Miles Morales game play the ps4 hasn't held anything back.
There were no Craig trailers in the event for Sony.

[RgR]

1. It would only hold back the ps5 if those exclusives were orginally designed for ps5 and not ps4 which is likely the case.
2. PS4 owners, if #1 is correct, will get the normal versions of the games and ps5 owners will get the remastered equivalent of the last of us on ps4.

[Saigon]

Question, has Sony ever stated that they would be PS5 exclusive?

[Chris12]

It was blatantly misleading. How many posts did we see on N4G lauding Miles Morales as a true next gen title and how MS's plan would hold back next gen titles. Not one of you Sony fans would accept it was a PS4 game with prettier graphics.

On top of that you still have no idea what exactly is inside the console.

PS5 will be a great console but lets hope some people on N4G accept Sony is perfectly capable of sharp practice and are only interested in $$$$ just like any other business.

[pwnmaster3000]

@Sampsonon.

Yeah that’s what I’m thinking also. With the possible pandemic, they could of made a last minute decision to release the game on the PS4 to boost sales, but that will still be a rushed game.

[pwnmaster3000]

@Chris12

I’m pretty sure insomniac been said miles was for the PS4 also.

I think your thinking of horizon.

[sampsonon]

"1. Will it hold back the PS5 "

Did you see the Spider-Man game play? Graphics looked stunning. RT looked great and the Particles looks next gen. I mean if it looked like Craig i could understand the backlash, but no Craig was at the event. So chill and let the company make money for more great games until they sell a few more PS5's. People are going through hard times because of the pandemic and Sony was having a hard time producing ps5's. This was the right decision for sure. Now in a couple yrs if they are still doing it, which they won't because they are trying to sell ps5's, then i could understand the backlash. #NOCRAIGHERE.

[Sitdown]

@sampsonon

Just because Spiderman looked good, it doesn't mean it wasn't held back from looking even more stunning. And stop with the pandemic talk, the hard times didn't just pop up, we have been at this for 6 months for now, and show me the article where Sony said they were having production problems. They even came out and refuted claims of cutbacks.

[No Way]

Sampsonon - maybe not shitty per se, however.. if the game was designed for the PS5 with PS5 controller features, it could really bog down and change the feel of the PS4 copy. Making it, possibly, no way near as good as the PS5 copy.

[sampsonon]

@No Way:
"Making it, possibly, no way near as good as the PS5 copy."

And in no way should it be. It's two different gens. All it does is scratch the itch of ps4 players so we have something good to play until they 1. have enough consoles made so people can buy them and 2. people have more time to save up for the ps5. They said the games are a one time payment and we can play the ps5 version when we upgrade.

I see nothing wrong here.

[sampsonon]

You won't see a craig game so i wouldn't worry about it so much.

[throne]

they're releasing ps5 only exclusives to which are also heavy hitters so not really...I'll be playing all on ps5

[mrsolidsteel20]

@Sonyslave3

It definitely was misleading, we all assumed that these two titles were going to be PS5 only games.

But we will see soon enough if Sony is telling the truth, that both HFW and SM: M is taking advantage of the PS5 hardware.

In any case you seemed really bothered by this decision.

If it’s really bothering you that much just don’t buy the system, that will send a message to Sony (somewhat).

It’s definitely a better than you coming on this thread bitching about it.

[UnSelf]

No, Sony. I’m disappointed in how y’all handled the fkn preorders

[RgR]

These are ps4 games that are also launching on ps5. Any dimwit can see that as obvious. When they started production it was being made for the ps4.

Just like The last of us for the ps3 was remastered a really short time after it released so that it could also be on the ps4.

There will likely be very few actual launch exclusives. Demon Souls being the most prominent one.

[darthv72]

Pretty much all the ps5 games started out as ps4. Its just some are getting finished instead of shifting to only next gen.

[Marquinho]

That's the biggest Karma slap of the whole generation.

And do NOT overlook this: Sony has increased their games prices. This is basically the definite push the market needed to stablish higher game prices.

[SullysCigar]

I really don't think so. Even in the last 24 hours, when certain people (...) were having a party because Demons Souls was 'coming to PC and probably Xbox' - going on about how amazing the game looks and they can wait to play it on their new graphics cards....until that was proven inaccurate and it's only on PS5 after all.

That was a pretty big slap, I think.

[Marquinho]

Is that true? That's the way you actually think? I'm having a hard time believing it.

Sony makes a huge mistake in their trailer in regards to Demon Soul's platforms (embarrassment) and in the small texts somewhere they unveil they're "teaming up" with Take 2 to increase game prices to $70 and you're happy because someone, somewhere got pumped about Sony's mistake... Just Wow.

[Parasyte]

Is it me, or is Sony starting to sound like Microsoft did last gen?

[SullysCigar]

It's not just you, there's a few others that hear whatever they want to hear too.

[jalutaja]

At least xbox players rise voice and vote with wallet. Which leads to loosing mandatory kinect and always online.

[Rude-ro]

“Straight up lies”..
No.

You just have no clue how game engines work.
Every gen Sony puts themselves into pickles redesigning hardware beyond the norm and having to rewrite game engines every gen. Ie why bc became an issue.

Sonys developers this gen, yet again, rewrote game engines.. but this time thinking forward.

You just have to realize what “next gen” means..
And that is through new and innovative games.

Halo ran on the same engine for two generations.... was it ever next gen? No.
Unless you are only referring to pixels, textures, and particles with a little more breathing room for any ai improvements.

Cod? Is still a modified 1998 game engine.
Every iteration “could” run on any hardware dating back to said era.. you just have to drastically cut back textures, resolution, and performance with next to no particles.

Spider man will run at twice the frame rate with more pixels, more particles, Ray tracing, and such on the ps5. Next gen?
The 3070/3080 graphics cards are only improving performance with higher resolutions and Ray tracing... next gen?
None of the games are “next gen”.

This gen for Sony is more of adapting to these new game engines and pushing the envelope with the hardware.

Launch games, to date, have always been able to perform on the previous gen... it is just a matter of dialing back the extra bells and whistles but all companies used the new eye candy to sell the new hardware.

Making mountains out of mole hills from THE most dependable gaming company to date over a launch line up is funny... especially that this gen proved that game engines matter.
Microsoft went three years with the most powerful console and what did we get.. crackdown 3? Gears of war? Both on last gen engines both in looks and performance.
Sony was already a generation ahead due to Microsoft complete lack of innovation per not making games.

Microsoft is cheap. They sell the idea of power but gave a corporately constricted development team old tech and had them squeezing out copy and paste games with a random story generator.
Cool. They are games...
But when halo infinite was shown off.. you literally saw exactly what I described.. more power on an old game engine that made everyone cringe.
Add that to the laughable baron wasteland of their AAA games for the last 9 years... and you will see why people are making fun of Microsoft.

Sony... if you have an issue with them.. Then it is just personal.
Kicking a company down for their 25 years of innovating gaming is a joke when Microsoft just provided the cheapest generation of gaming while releasing more console variations than new AAA ips and the ones they did offer were all on 2nd gen game engines.

So have the pretend concerns... while I laugh at the iqs selling this tale

[Aussiesummer]

Look at the pre order bullshit they pulled. What a great way to start off hey.

[medman]

Given that God of War came out in 2018 and we're getting Ragnorok in 2021, along with Horizon Forbidden West, I think it's fairly safe to assume the new God of War will be cross gen just as Horizon is. It's not ideally what I want, but I will play the hell out of both of those games and enjoy them anyway. I really don't understand how Sony got some of their marketing wrong though. They implicitly stated they believed in generations and that ps5 games would not be cross gen, but it appears that at least for games releasing in 2020 and 2021, that is not the case. Hard to understand how they screwed that up given how long games take to develop...they would have known all along they were being co-developed for ps4 and ps5

[RauLeCreuset]

Where are you all getting that a belief in generations and providing generation exclusive experiences constitutes completely cutting off the PS4?

Sony is giving away with the PS5 the next gen exclusive sequel to an excellent PSVR game touted for innovations it brought to the 3rd person platformer genre in VR. That game is designed around the Dual Sense controller and is launching Day 1. Demon's Souls remake is next gen exclusive and launching Day 1. Ratchet and Clank is aimed for a launch window release and clearly designed around the SSD.

That's 3 next gen exclusives being published by Sony in the launch window that I know about. This narrative so many are running with doesn't begin to make sense unless it was said there would be no more support for PS4.

[darthv72]

GoW and GT7 will likely be PS4 games as well. And it would keep with the tradition of getting two GT and GoW games per gen. That isnt a bad thing. It makes sense that first party titles slated for release in the next year would be cross gen. That is essentially what MS has stated (and got reamed for) but there is merit to doing this and it wont impact the PS5 or its versions in any way.

[RauLeCreuset]

Where is the lie? For that matter, where is the logic? The internet detectives would have us believe they've unraveled some clandestine plot in which Jim Ryan lied about cutting off PS4 support entirely in order to deceive the masses, only to reveal the truth before Sony could benefit from a single pre-order.

[medman]

It's the mixed messaging that is the problem....even in Sony's conference, turns out hey, guess what? Spider-Man and Horizon, which were believed to be coming only to ps5, are coming to ps4...and that gets revealed by who? Sony? No....Geoff Keighley. Then the trailer which was shown at the conference for Demon Souls was taken down off Sony's website, only to be replaced with a Demon's Souls trailer which removed the mention of it coming to PC. Apparently, the messaging on Final Fantasy 16 is also incorrect, as it may in fact not be a console exclusive after all, just a timed exclusive. Add to that the horrific implementation of the preorder rollout for ps5 and it being a complete mess, all after Sony's worldwide marketing head stated in August that preorders would not happen with a minutes notice, that gamers would not be blindsided. How is that working out?

I love Sony's first party exclusives, but there is no excuse after having ample time to get this strategy right (and delaying delaying delaying price and release date for months) that this turned into such a mess all the way around. No excuse. These are the heads of Sony and the head of marketing we're talking about, not some random marketing exec who may have spoken out of turn. And this is a presentation they surely have been working on for quite some time, and for it to mix the messaging and not be crystal clear? Abysmal.

[RauLeCreuset]

That doesn't address the question I asked in response to the comment that "dude straight up lied to us."

[Ashunderfire86]

They also flat out lied 🤥 about the preorders not releasing without a moment notice. They said preorders today! All retailer stores except for Amazon didn’t follow orders and we still don’t have preorders available for the PlayStation website? It has been a disaster trying to preorder the PS5! Many people reported that they waited for hours trying to press the checkout button, only for it to say out of stock smh 🤦‍♂️ I even callled GameStop and this employee told me that he wasn’t notified about preorders until after the fact, and Walmart open the floodgates both stores sold out of PS5 in minutes! A Twitter user has a backlink to Amazon preorders before it went Live at 12am!!! No preorders available!!! What a joke!

[medman]

@ashunderfire86
I feel your pain. I did a bit of drinking after the Sony conference, paid no attention to phone or emails, and later on that night I discovered retailers were offering pre-orders early, before the Sept. 17th date Sony mentioned on their website/twitter but didn't even bother to mention in their conference. I went online to several retailers and was shhhh outta luck at all of them. Went to bed, woke up around 2-230 am and decided to give it a shot. None of the retailers outside of Best Buy even had available options. Best Buy website was still having problems, but after several refreshes and broken pages I managed to order one....did it through paypal so the money was immediately withdrawn... secured the 499 model. Gamers should never have to work so hard to preorder a console they are willing to support.

Sony severely dropped the ball here, after stating that gamers would not be blindsided and gamers would have adequate notice of preorder information. The way it rolled out was just absolutely ridiculous, and people absolutely were in fact blindsided. I guess we all should have known this was going to be a complete clusterfluck when Sony starting giving out invitations for the right to sign up to be notified when they would give you the honor of preordering a console from them, but only if they deemed your account worthy. It smacks of ps3 arrogant Sony all over again. I hope this is not the case, but they have done themselves some damage to the good will they have built over the years since that ps3 debacle.

[darthv72]

Come to team green and get a preorder when they say its going to happen... and stick to their word.

[BillyG0AT]

Thing is, they've done that for years. Let MS take the flak for going in different directions, then outright copy what they did when it dies down.

[Gameplayer1]

I'm feeling kinda sorry for you,Mr Toddler!! 😂😂😂

[AngelicIceDiamond]

He's telling everyone now that nobody should be disappointed about it. His reps literally used an example that MM would only be possible on PS5. Of course 4k RT and 60 frames can only be done on PS5 of course. But they made it sound like the engine, animations the blue print and architecture was only done possible on PS5. In which we know it isn't.

[Christopher]

While I am not happy with their decision, what you are saying isn't necessarily a lie since they've also said that they've been building games specific to the PS5 from the ground up. If the PS4 games are ports, that could make sense.

I do note that R&C or Demon's Souls aren't mentioned as being on PS4 because both of those look like the concepts they use are truly next gen only in design. Ports from those would take a lot more work than turning off RTX on Spider-Man.

I am most disappointed to hear that HFW is going to be on PS4. I will be truly upset if they don't take advantage of what is there for their open world. I know the first game was very limited loading and fully open world, but I was hoping to see much more with the SSD enhancements and everything else. I really hope they are doing backward ports from PS5 development and not straight parallel, single design development.

[Xrenegade]

Yeah it is kinda crazy. They touted forever that ps5 games could only run on ps5 because of there Ultra fast ssd. “ The primary reason for an ultra-fast SSD is that it gives the game designer freedom. Or to put that differently, with a hard drive, the 20 seconds it takes to load a gigabyte can sabotage the game the developer is trying to create”
Actual quote but it seems that doesn’t matter because the games that were “developed for ps5” can still run on a basic hard drive.
Don’t get me wrong I was lucky enough to get a preorder and will be playing the games there. But it is very misleading to the general public at least Microsoft was upfront.

[Sunny_D]

Yup, as a PS fan I’m disappointed with how Sony lied about cross gen games and the pre-orders. Jim Ryan is showing the good old executive head of his that companies always tend to have. I was able to snag a PS5 but I was barely lucky to get one. That was not good to give less than a day notice. But Horizon being cross gen? Come on man. I swear GOW better not be cross gen.

[esemce]

They can't say no to that 100 million PS4 install base it seems.

[IGiveHugs2NakedWomen]

The same thing happened last gen. PS4 Exclusives were released on PS3 so this isn't a surprise, however, Sony should have been clear from the start by stating unequivocally that exclusives will appear on PS4 for the first year or two.

[Sonic-and-Crash]

he s right ...PS4 has <100 million users ,,,would be stupid to wait good sales only from the pricey PS5 ....HZ2 will explode in sales because of the huge PS4 install base .......and its good starting point for PS5

[Sonyslave3]

Okay why lied to the consumer by pretending those games were only possible on the ps5 lol. They been low key making ps4 the whole time no way in they could port Spiderman to ps4 in 3 months.

[Sonic-and-Crash]

they didnt lie ......basically the games are probably made from the ground up for PS5 ...they will be just downgraded/moddified so can be ported to PS4 ...i dont believe when they r making games inside their first party teams follow very austere lines between consoles (especially their own consoles) so they can be flexible to do porting analoguous to their needs

[sampsonon]

The only game they said was impossible on ps4 was Insomniac saying Ratchet and Clank, because of the portals. Stop making up stuff.

[ClayRules2012]

@Bobertt

“Well Insomniac did say from the beginning Spiderman was crossgen“ Do you have proof that you can share that Insomniac indeed did say this?? I’m not trying to come off as a jerk, please understand that. I’m just genuinely asking. Because I’d appreciate it if you could share that.

[Bathyj]

The only game I've heard that wasn't possible on current gen was Ratchet and I believe that. It's not going to PS4. People always think new gen is some unicorn that's going to create magical realms straight out of the gate.

[Sunny_D]

@sonic

He lied.

https://www.google.com/amp/...

[sampsonon]

If these people had stock in SIE they would be singing a different tune. Always funny when people make a big thing out of nothing. I mean MS said all games will release on both gens. Sony is doing it for a couple of games. Hard times made the decision for Sony. Thank God cause lord knows i can't buy the ps5 for a while, and even if i could they don't have enough produced to sell to everyone that wants one.

People are conflating MS "play anywhere on anything" with Sony's "we need to sell the first few games on both hardware because people are going through a hard time and we need to also make our money back" It's a f ing business.

[dietis_h]

im actually glad about the cross gen part. i can't afford a ps5 yet so that's beneficial for me imo.

[Atom666]

"Hard times"?

Come on. These games have been in development for a long time. They didn't just say, oh Covid, let's make them cross-gen. That's some serious spin.

It's not about lying per se. But they did openly embrace the false pretenses that they weren't going to be doing this kind of support, and they stoked the fanboy wars and hype with these tactics. That's business, and I don't begrudge them for it.

But it's just embarrassing for the "media" and fanboys that sung this narrative for them, while taking shots at the competition.

[Aussiesummer]

You just said it yourself "its a f ing business"....they don't give a flying f ck if you're going through hard times. altruism does not live here.

[Christopher]

@Aussiesummer: They do when their major consumer market is the most affected financially.

[Unspoken]

LoL, PS5 is going to be held back by previous consoles, making the games perform poorly and now there is no reason to buy a PS5 because you can play on PS4, Sony lied to and its being normalized. Did I cover them all?

[Christopher]

This isn't about him being right or wrong about that, it's about how they changed plans now after explaining how they would be utilizing the PS5 for their upcoming games and they would be built just for PS5. Sure, they *could* still be doing that and just porting the games from PS5 to PS4... but let's be honest, it's not likely the case.

I wanted both Sony and Microsoft to move forward and leave the generations behind while third-parties can support them both. But, first-party titles should show the true power of the new hardware, not cater to the last and give people less reason to see what they're paying for as an advancement on more than some graphics.

[itsmebryan]

That's true. But, why lie about it?

[zsquaresoff]

Yes, especially for those who will not be able to get their hands on a PS5 at launch due to limited availability.

[sampsonon]

Exactly. And add the amount they spend on making these games. Point is they will make the first few games for ps4 and as soon as they pump out enough ps5's they will stop making them for ps4. People act as if it costs nothing to make these high end AAA games. It's not the same as MS because they rarely make High end AAA games , and they are always going to make games for the last gen. Different approach.

[specialguest]

I don't have a position in this issue since I currently game on PC, but I don't get what the big deal is. So who cares if Sony lied about this. What's wrong with cross gen games? If people are not happy with the launch lineup, then don't buy the PS5 at launch

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[Almightsponge]

Its like they dont want others to be able to play the same game as them if they cant afford or couldn't get the new console. Stupid thing to get upset about

[Imortus_san]

LOL, you lied dude.

[phoenixwing]

He did and now as a ceo he will get a fat check for his shrewd business acumen. His lies weren't complete lies so he can't be held accountable legally but yeah he was deceptive as all get out.

[RememberThe357]

This isn't hard to see. He lied by using language to convey false information. That's in the broadest terms but it's still lying. And of course he won't be held to account for that. These games are going to be awesome, sell like crazy, and we won't care what platform they're on. But there's a reason people don't like being misinformed, lied to, lead astray, manipulated, or whatever else they want to call it. We need to trust who we invest in.

I like seeing people call them out. Hold them to a standard and let them know when they're not living up to it.

[ClayRules2012]

He’s a LIAR 🤥😂

@Ratchet75 I got it right that time🤪

[lelo2play]

Liars.

[Pixelift]

Cross-gen does NOT mean a game is not true-next gen. It only means the version releasing on a previous-gen (PS4) is not next-gen. Some of you are dense. The article even states that games like Spider-Man, Horizon, etc were built from the ground up to take advantage of the PS5.

[CaptainObvious878]

"Cross-gen does NOT mean a game is not true-next gen."

Ummm, that's exactly what it means. If a game is cross gen, it needs to be developed with the weaker console in mind, hence the design is based around current gen limitations, hence it's a current gen game.

Some people are dense indeed.

[ClayRules2012]

Your words...they couldn’t be more obvious CaptainObvious878! Well said, well said indeed. And it’s disappointing that HFW and Spider-Man: MM were developed with the weaker console in mind PS4😞
I totally agree.

[RememberThe357]

And you can be disappointed that MM and HFW were designed to run of a blu-ray disk and at the same time know those game will still turn out great. Maybe just not as great as we imagined.

[Sirk7x]

For now, next-gen just means (potentially) higher resolution and frame-rate lol. Maybe some enhanced lighting effects. We'll see how many devs start implementing ray-tracing. Hopefully in a few years, when we see games built up for the consoles, we'll have games that are using gameplay mechanics that could not feasibly run on older hardware at all.

[Pixelift]

Cross-gen literally means it is playable on more than one machine. The only way the game is held back from a development standpoint is that time must be spent on making it compatible for a previous gen console. This means stripping away what makes it a next-gen game. Some games are designed from the ground-up for current gen then made available on next gen consoles. While that is ALSO a way to define cross-gen Sony has been clear that games like Spider-man, Horizon, and several others are being designed from the ground-up for the PS5.

[Pixelift]

"hence the design is based around current gen limitations, hence it's a current gen game." Guess that's why you go by Captain Obvious. Of course the version being made for a previous gen must be developed with the weaker console in mind. Doesn't mean the one releasing for the new generation can't take full advantage of the hardware.

[Sirk7x]

Basically, Sony dogged on MS for being transparent about doing cross-gen, to build hype for PS5, and then went and did exactly the same. That's why people are upset. I mean, it's kinda obvious it was the right financial move, but it subverted intentions. Neither company has given good reason to adopt day one, unless you just want to have new tech, and see older games running better. I'm going Series X. More powerful, meaning better experience on multi-plats, and I enjoy Xbox's online services, controllers and UI better. When PS5 has a great library of exclusive games (which they will, in time), I can pick up a PS5 on sale, and get those games for cheaper than release prices.

[CaptainObvious878]

"Doesn't mean the one releasing for the new generation can't take full advantage of the hardware."

Again, that is exactly what it means! The entire scope and complexity of games need to be dumbed down to run on weak hardware.

That means, the size of the game world is smaller. Levels need to be smaller. AI needs to be dumber. Number of enemies on screen at once needs to be fewer, which will heavily influence mission and level environment design. Environmental interaction remains stagnant. Certain elements, like fast flying mounts, need to be eliminated. "Loading elevators" that disrupt gameplay need to be kept in because the PS4 still needs time to load and the devs aren't going to be allowed to waste resources to redesign a separate level without elevators for the PS5 version.

And on and on the examples continue. These are just the ones off the top of my head.

How do you not understand this basic basic concept? And then you make yourself look even more silly by implying I'm the stupid one when it's clear you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

[Pixelift]

They are making games from the ground-up for PS5. A company can change its business strategy without being called liars. Changing strategy is not lying you fools.

[Valkron1]

It isn't simply "changing strategy" when the game is in development from the very beginning for PS4. Can't wait for GoW Ragnarok PS4, lol!

[Bathyj]

Me too

[jimbost79]

I will be absolutely gutted if the gow sequel can run on ps4.
I'm very disappointed that Sony are releasing cross gen 1st party titles.
Wil definetly be holding off on getting a ps5 now.
I understand its a business decision, but still I feel quite let down by this news. Microsoft got hammered for cross gen games and now Sony have done the same. I want my next gen games to be next gen only. Surely they will be held back by being able to run on current hardware.

[Pixelift]

Surely you have the capacity to understand that a game being developed from the ground up for next gen hardware can still work on previous gen. Any cross gen gen has development start on one lead platform. Either the target console is PS4 or PS5. Depending which is the target console, the other version ends up being scaled back or optimized. Sony has announced that they are building games to take full advantage of the PS5. This means they are then taking these PS5 builds and modifying them to be compatible on PS4. Cross-gen ≠ bad.

[Jericho1337]

They've seen what Microsoft have done and decided to copy them last minute. No shame in that at all, but I like the vastly different strategies both have adopted this time round so kind of wish they stuck to their guns.

[Saijahn]

Today shall be called damage control day.

While I love them supporting their current base who may not have the ability to go next gen, this is a slap in the face to the diehard ponies who talked all that trash about current gen holding back next gen, how inferior consoles should be dropped.

Now they eat the L while common sense reigns for the day. Good move by Sony.

[Unknown_Gamer5794]

Sony’s doing cross-gen with some games. MS is doing it with all their first party games. These strategies are not equivalent.

[darthv72]

did you not notice that the games Sony is doing it are also first party games? And there will be more, you can bet on it.

[Unknown_Gamer5794]

@darthv72 No shit Sherlock. That doesn't mean every single Sony first party game is cross-gen. Just some of them, and this is not out of the ordinary for the start of a gen. MS is basically saying there will not be a current gen exclusive first party title from them for a good, long while, while Sony's saying some of their titles will be and some won't be, and I can guarantee they'll ditch cross-gen well before MS.

[Flawlessmic]

Lol kinda funny to see all the xbots having a field day with this.Mind you spider man and HFW looked proper next gen unlike some other cross gen flag ship title i know off that got delayed cause it looked like poo.

Yea i feel slightly conned but at the end of the day in the space of the first year of my ps5, sony will have given me demons souls, spider man, HFW, rachet and clank, GOW.

That is abosultely crazyyyyy, so yea u can latch on this like a bunch of losers that couldnt wait for sony to trip even just a little meanwhile us ps owners are gonna have a stack on great new games to play while u guys have what exactly ? And be specific about it dont just give me game pass as there plwnty of rubbish on there that doesnt stack up to the games i just gave you.

But but sony lied wahhh wahh wahhh, they giving us the goods where it counts so get over it.

[throne]

they're just upset since MS said they never were counting on halo to sell their system...and leaving them with only gampass and a backlog to keep them busy. instead of taking it up with MS, they cry on sony threads lol

[Flawlessmic]

I honestly feel sorry for them its been years since they have had any decent let alone masterpiece exclusive to play and itll be a few more years before it gets better 😂

Mean while sony just keeps the hits coming, i thought this year was stacked, next year will be insane!

[dietis_h]

let them have their laugh. at the end of the day, we still have real games to look forward to.

[glopez]

Let me ask you guys something, how many games were released this gen? Let's say ps4 counting exclusives it's around 2,000, xbox around 1,800. How does it make sense to say xbox doesn't have games? That's just dumb.

Sony has more exclusives. So what? How long do you guys play them until you go back to fortnite, apex, minecraft, madden, roblox, cod, rocket league, pubg, overwatch? See most of the most popular games are multiplatform. Sony has exclusives, so will microsoft. "Console exclusive" is something new to move the goal post.

Almost everyone here plays the majority of their time on multiplatform games. If you just play exclusives then good for you, but the majority of the WORLD spends most of their time on multiplats. So which console will give you the best multiplat version of a game? Cause that's what the majority of the world plays.

For me it's series X.

[Sirk7x]

I basically only play my PS4 when a good, single-player exclusive game comes out lol. I don't think I've turned it on since I beat Last of Us 2. My friends have Xbox, I like the controller and online services much, much more. Having that, and a BC compatible library on more powerful hardware, Series X is the obvious choice for me at the beginning. Down the line, PS5 will no doubt have some fantastic exclusives that I can't ignore. I'll get one then for those games.

[glopez]

Thank you for your honesty. That's a rare thing on this site.

[STARS]

Imagine being an Xbox fan and thinking you will have anything close to the quality of Demon's Souls Remake, Spider-Man Miles Morales, Horizon Forbidden West, Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart and God of War 2 through out the first year of your console's life cycle. PS5 will have all the bells and whistles, and people can downplay all they want. Sony needs to just keep delivering on the games like they always do. Arguing about anything less is irrelevant.

[Bathyj]

They still have gamepass.
Of course PSplus just made that look like crap.

[SullysCigar]

This is not being acknowledged enough. All the best games of the previous generation. Day one. Free.

Anyone who didn't have a PS4 would be bat shit crazy not to get a PS5.

I'm pumped for this, as I didn't manage to get to many of those games - just didn't have time - so this is a massive saving!

[Imalwaysright]

Oh yeah BC behind a paywall. Isn't it great that Sony allows you to pay them to play games you already bought and own? You Sony fanboys are absolutely pathetic.

[ziggurcat]

"Oh yeah BC behind a paywall."

No. It's not. You're spreading lies.

"Isn't it great that Sony allows you to pay them to play games you already bought and own?"

They're not making anyone pay for games they already own. You're confusing two different things.

[Imalwaysright]

@ ziggurcat

I am spreading lies?

https://www.eurogamer.net/a...

"In September 2020, Sony revealed the PlayStation Plus Collection, which would see a number of PS4 games playable on PS5 as part of the subscription. This seemingly confirms a number of PS4 games playable on PS5, but it's unknown whether owning these games separately will be playable through backwards compatibility outside of the subscription, or whether these games will offer any kind of PS5 enhancements."

So if you have information that we can play the games from this collection that we own without having PS plus let's have it.

[SullysCigar]

@ziggurcat, it's what he does.

@Ima, two things; in your carefully selected passage, did you miss the words 'seemingly' and 'unknown'? Furthermore, if you're heading for Eurogamer for PS5 news, you're either doing it wrong or looking for fuel for that PS5 hate train lol

[SullysCigar]

@Ima: "So if you have information that we can play the games from this collection that we own without having PS plus let's have it."

Here ya go, fella:

https://n4g.com/news/237319...

Now stop your lies.

[Imalwaysright]

SullysCigar

If it's what I do then why I haven't seen you calling me on my bullshit more often? Please do call me on my bullshit.

No, I didn't miss anything.

"if you're heading for Eurogamer for PS5 news, you're either doing it wrong or looking for fuel for that PS5 hate train lol"

So you say but I haven't seen you telling me what it is about that article that is incorrect so unless you do it, spare me from your pathetic remarks.

EDIT: That's great to know and I stand corrected. Nice to see that Sony's approach to BC is completely different than it was in the current gen.

[Bathyj]

Do you want some bacon to go with that egg on your face. The fact you can play all your PS4 games has been public knowledge since the reveal.

[SullysCigar]

^ Lol @Ima, gracious in defeat, as ever - you do the insults, I'll do the facts. Teamwork makes the dream work!

[Sirk7x]

I have all the current gen consoles, and I will most certainly have both a Series X and PS5. As of now though, Sony hasn't given me a reason to pick one up at launch, at all. Demon's Souls remake alone isn't enough to justify that purchase over the Series X, a more powerful box, which imo MS has better online services and UI.
I couldn't even finish Horizon or Spider-Man on PS4, they just didn't hold my interest. Last of Us 2, God of War, brilliant titles. Gonna be awhile before we see more of that though, and the great thing about single-player games, is that they continue to be great, years down the line, when they cost less to play.

[CheerUpButtercup]

Ya done goofed sony! ...LIARS!

[RazzerRedux]

I'm not disappointed in the games launching on PS4. I'm disappointed in the bullshit PR. You seriously did a 180 on all your core tenets thus far on the same day of your biggest event yet? Seriously? If this was part of the plan all along then you could have said so when Mile Morales and Horizon Forbidden West were revealed. That would have been fine. But this is just bullshit.

Is it generation defeating mistake? No. No more than Microsoft's bullshit PR earlier this year was. But MS got shit for their nonsense and Sony is rightfully getting it as well.

[RgR]

I dont see any backtracking like some claim. Spiderman Miles Morales, HFW and those few others were likely built from the ground up for PS4 not the PS5.

I expected these launch titles to be cross gen. I dont expect many more too be cross gen at all. Demons Souls is the first exclusive that will only launch on ps5.

Unfortunately for me the price tag will not allow me to get this at launch...I don't mind waiting since I still have a large enough backlog.

Regardless, playstation owners are going to have a shit ton of exclusive games to play this holiday.

[Father__Merrin]

As long as spiderman horizons are next gen ps5 games then that's fine. In 2021 it's likely more will be ps5 only. But Jim is right people will jump to ps5 at different times plus this now has added benifit of placing ps4pro to undercut series S.

[SoulWarrior]

I am surprised at Horizon, a bit disappointed it's not PS5 only and taking full advantage of that in terms of game design, but there's still PS5 only games coming, Demon's Souls, Ratchet, it's not like they are doing it to the extent that microsoft are.

[Valkron1]

it's pretty damn close! Sony is going to support PS4 for 4 more years, aren't they?

[SoulWarrior]

Yeah I expected they wouldn't just drop it, they had the same attitude with PS3 but PS4 still got plenty of PS4 only games 1-4 years after it released, can't imagine this being much different.

[xetiro]

More important than words/claims that can be very subjective if the context is left vague enough, are the actions these companies do, that are much more indicative of what you can count on.

Sony with the likes of SpiderMan Miles Morales shows consumers how you can do an amazing "launch title" that takes full advantage of PS5 capabilities and innovations and showcases a unique quality not possible on PS4. So there is no broken promise because it was never promised to be a PS5 only title to begin with. Sony promised was to keep investing in AAA development and exclusives, and they showcased that. The PS4 version will be based on the original PS4 engine of the original game which is still pretty recent and modern.

Microsoft with the likes of Halo Infinite shows how you can do a mediocre game that fails to showcase the advantages and innovations of the new XSX, to the point of almost destroying a beloved franchise and so MS themselves have no other choice but to delay the game and miss the launch window. As a consequence, all of what MS said about Halo and XSX became broken promises.

That said, launch titles and first generation titles are just the beginning. Again Sony already showed more what you can expect with PS5 in the near future with the likes of the new Ratchet and Clank, GT7, which are by far much more impressive than anything MS showed so far for the XSX.

[anast]

I'm happy about the decision, I'm getting to play Cpunk 2020, Valhalla, and HZD:FW without spending 500 big ones. It's a consumer friendly move.

[TheOptimist]

Tbh I am surprised people didn't think Horizon 2 and Miles weren't PS4 games. They didn't scream next gen when they were initially revealed. They simply looked like extension to base games.

[Valkron1]

so will Ragnarok at this point 😒

[goldwyncq]

wE bElIEvE iN gEnErAtIoNs

[sampsonon]

Thank God Sony came to their senses. I can't wait to get my hands on a ps5 but it seems they are selling out fast and stock is low. Pandemic has crippled many finacially, that along with the low stock makes the decision to put the first few games on both console, we didn't see Spider-Man look like Craig, a smart move. Did you see the ray tracing and the Particles in the Spider-Man game play? Right. So calm down everyone, digital foundry will make a video showing that no cuts were made to next gen because of the ps4. Not from what my own eyes showed me anyway.

[derek]

If you know me I'm a Sony pony all the way but this double talk was completely unnecessary and is a bad look. They should have put coming out on the ps4 at the end of all 3 trailers when they were shown at the 1st event. Still excited though, got my preorders in.

[Nacho_Z]

It is a little disappointing but at least it's not a blanket policy now that would be crap. It's early days for both consoles (to put it mildly they're not even out) and launches are always iffy so I'm not particularly bothered atm. I'm in it for the long haul, for the games we get that are made just for next gen and push the machines to their limits.

[Antnee534]

It just sucks to see these big titles coming to ps4 only because it makes us worried that the ps4 will be holding back these games. I think they should scrap both horizon and spiderman ps4 versions. Won't lie I assumed as much with sackboy coming to ps4.

[sampsonon]

"No one should be disappointed. The PS5 versions of those games are built from the ground up to take advantage of the PS5 feature set, and we have an upgrade path for PS4 users to get the PS5 versions for free. It’s about people having choice. I’m really quite pleased about the situation."

I have no issue with this statement.
#NOCRAIGHERE

[yomfweeee]

I'm disappointed. I agree with their original stance. We've never seen a cross-gen game truly have profound differences. So, I'll be surprised if we see it hear. Yes, there will be some differences, but I can't imagine any ground breaking.

If they only do this for a few launch games, I'll be okay with that since production will be limited. But if they try to do what Microsoft said they will do, which is release all their games cross-gen for 2 years... that would make him a liar.

[ThinkThink]

Jim Ryan was just interviewed saying they will support crossgen up to 4 years.

[yomfweeee]

No, he did not say that. He said they would support the PS4 for 3 or 4 years. That is not the same as putting out their first party titles for 3 or 4 more years. They produced and support PS3 into 2017, but they did not keep releasing their own games on it that whole time.

[darthv72]

I have a feeling we will see more cross gen games released next year as well. Especially ones who have a release date of 2021 because chances are they started work on PS4 dev kits within the last 2-3 years. So a game like GoW2 (which says 2021) is very likely going to be cross gen. Barlog said they were already working on the sequel after the first released. And why does it matter if they do put more first party games on both? That should be a good thing... not a bad thing.

[CR7JUVE1897]

Transparency. That's all we asked for.

[EasilyTheBest]

Now it's OK that some PS5 games are also being released on the PS4 and all that holding back next gen stuff we have heard on N4G for weeks. Does it put the Xbox Series X in a better light.
Asking for a friend lol

[GwynbleiddPT]

Of course they shouldn't after all we believe in(all)generations right Jim?!

[CrimsonWing69]

Of course they say that.

We ripped on MS for doing this and we’ll rip on Sony for it.

I’m not buying a next-gen consoles to play games available/designed for the last-gen.

When I bought a PS2 I wasn’t playing an upscaled version of Tekken 3. I was playing Tekken Tag Tournament. That’s how next-gen consoles should be like where we play the next level of games you can’t play on any other console.

[ziggurcat]

None of the games cited were designed for PS4. In fact Ryan has stated that they were built from the ground up for PS5.

[Sirk7x]

Last gen was the same thing. What did PS4 launch with that was really only possible on that hardware? Only thing I can think of is Killzone, and that was it. Xbox One had Ryse. Everything else on both those consoles was pretty much multi-plat and cross gen.

[rayford15]

All y’all dorks complaining like y’all was able to pre order a PS5, I mean I got mine but stop complaining cause I know you don’t have yours 😂🥴

[4Sh0w]

Wow, some serious amnesia & damage control going on in here.

[Imalwaysright]

Don't forget the sheer hypocrisy.

[Sunny_D]

Yeah, it’s embarrassing any PS fan is defending this. I am disappointed and will call Sony out for it. But to see everyone acting like they didn’t care cross gen is hilarious and sad.

[rayford15]

You and everybody who cares about cross gen are fucking stupid, tell why Demon Souls not on PS4 then ?

[Aussiesummer]

They have lied to get sales, pure and simple.
I'm sure those games will be good but not as great as they could have been had they actually been made for PS5 exlusively, halo is a good example of how it could turn out.
Look at the pre order stunt they pulled. I love sony but this starting to stink.

[potatoseal]

Sony don't need to lie to get sales you fool. They're the market leader by the length of the straight

[Terry_B]

Its great for those among us that don't want to buy the new console yet and rather wait a year or two until it has a good couple of exclusives that make it worth to buy the new Playstation.

[Elda]

I'm not disappointed at all knowing at the start of the new next-generation release of consoles that some existing popular franchises may they be multi-plats & exclusives are usually cross-gen. Sony somewhat lead to believe most of its upcoming new first-party offerings were PS5 only. Sony should've been upfront from the beginning. I'm guessing they didn't want to disclose those months back thinking folks will hold out from buying the PS5 asap. I know they don't want to leave some PS4 owners behind including making it a business decision but they should have been transparent with that info from the get-go.

[CertifiedGamer]

Demon Souls is not held back by the PS4, I just don’t expect Horizon Forbidden West to look like it did on the trailers anymore.

[Petebloodyonion]

I agree with him or Phil Spencer on that mather
A great game is a great game and having others play the game on their system should not prevent you from enjoying the game on your system.
Everybody was hyped about Spiderman a couple of weeks ago so what changed in the game since then?

[FlameWater]

Surprise Surprise Gran Turismo isn't a launch title, probably because it will require a Pro version to run properly

[ConsoleAgnostic]

And now you will see even more going to PC...Final Fantasy will be there.

[ziggurcat]

Well, yeah... it said as much in the trailer yesterday.

[leahcim]

bad news there sony...I only hope GOW "2" is not cross gen, the other ones are just "fake" next gen obviously.

[hiawa23]

I am fine with putting the games on as many platforms as possible. Better for all gamers. This fanboy mentality is toxic.

[waverider]

Microsoft gamers are so sad. Look at comments here. After amazing running games on the event. Why are they so worried? Did any ps5 look 360 game like halo? Wait they are comparing their average studios to award goty winner? Is this the worst thing they can find? Lies? How about halo will launch with the series x? Phil spencer lied for years! But they are worried that spiderman that looks amazing ND hzd or gow wont be next gen.... Play games not corporations....

[Flawlessmic]

U watch foxy games by any chance going off that last line?

[waverider]

I like foxy and agree with is opinion. Its getting crazy Microsoft gamers are worried with the quality of PS exclusives.... If spiderman look like a ps3 game like halo.....

[UltimateRacer]

I’ve no problem with both these games being cross gen, after all it’s suicide to just ignore the 110 million fanbase you’ve build up but just come out straight and say it’s cross gen.

[thesoftware730]

Of course he did.

I dont personally see a problem with it as I think it will reach more people and can still be upgraded for PS5. The only funny thing is Sony-Soldiers criticized the hell outta Xbox for the same thing, now some are downplaying it.
I thought the showcase yesterday was fantastic, but cant ignore some of the basic negative.

Silly pre-order chaotic mess. They claimed they would let people know in advance.
$70 games, they sure did stay quiet about this.
Cross gen games that they implied would only be PS5, Something else they already knew but tried to keep low.
Quickly taking down the PC iterations of DS and FF16, another tactic to keep it low, if MS did this people would rag them. The cat is out the bag tho, we all know its coming.

[waverider]

Microsoft did worst. Lied with halo for a year. Was forced to delay because of the backslash of the downgraded graphics to play on the series s one s on the sad and on the X. Destroying the launch of the console, getting a Huge blow that still didnt recover, because it doesnt have another hit

[kayoss]

Yeah, the funny thing is that i was giving xbox fan a hard time about how xbox is holding up next gen by catering to current gen. Now i feel like an @$$.

[Matology]

At least you owned up...

[waverider]

But they will hold down games for Microsoft because of the S.... This is only 2021, not the rest of the gen....

[Imortus_san]

Were are the people that made a vow that they were next gen only? and that spider man was not a dlc.

[Harkins1721]

As long as the games are build first on PS5

[Gaming4Life1981]

He lied but of course sony fans wont admit it and will praise sony for doing the very thing they hated ms for doing. If this doesnt prove biased fanboy hypocrisy i dont know what will.

[Applejack]

Couldn’t have said it any better. Very disappointing in this news.

[leejohnson222]

Come on lets be honest, which system is the game built for, is it held back by last gen, why is this happening? I understand cross gen titles from 3rd party but 1st? You can't defend it. I like nexr gen to be fresh and a new beginning

[Imortus_san]

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[Kaedro]

My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.

[moriarty1889]

Jim Ryan is starting to sound like Phil Spinster lol.......

[Matology]

Bring back Jack Trenton...

[thesoftware730]

Jim Ryan seems to be on damage control.

I see nothing Sony did that MS is not doing at Launch.

[AriesBear]

Yeah Sony straight-up lied and took shots at Microsoft because they had to when they realized that Microsoft's console was way stronger than their own under powered next gen system. They are shady!

[Kakashi Hatake]

Doubt you referred to Xbox One as underpowered. Can't wait for the comparisons to show games will look similar. Time for you guys to stfu about power already. Way stronger is PS2 vs Xbox, PS4 vs Switch. Even though the difference is bigger than what you're touting , wouldn't say it's PS4 vs Xbox One. PS5 vs SeX is the smallest difference ever. Games will look the same, get over it already.

[Silly gameAr]

So many drama queens. And, of course the xbox guys are here, taking the opportunity to take their little shots. If you're mad at Sony, don't buy the PS5, and don't support anything they do. Hit them in their wallet where it hurts.

If you just want to play games and not give a shit about the politics of the matter, and just look forward to playing awesome games that you know are coming in the future, well, I don't even have to say anything. Just do what you think is best.

[wdallzina]

It's a great, since I will not buy PS5 any time soon .

[WGAF]

Well at the end of the day, business are business, they need to sell stuff, Sony or ms. They arent the saver like many seems to think they are.

Nevertheless, hopefully this is a good thing on N4G. At least we wont be hearing about how old hardware holding back next gen like for the past few months. Jeez even the next gen xboxseries s would hold back xboxseriesx like many on here condemned MS for.

You guys just never learn dont you?

[Binarycode]

No wonder the ocean levels are rising. it isn't the melting ice. its those salty tears.

Nobody cares about xbox. Its just a Pr machine.

Gamepass is all it has.

As for PS5. im not buying one until i see what else is coming to the system.

[Fantangoooo]

Hahaha.. I am here to observe.. ignore me... “pops soda” lol 😂

[thesoftware730]

You shouldn't drink soda, it's bad for you..even the diet ones.

If you must have fizz..buy some seltzer water with flavor.

But I just drink water..cant get any better...

Wait, what are we talking about again?

[Fantangoooo]

Just watching how Jim derailed all the people that said Cross Gen wasnt happening, or that games would come to PC, "we believe in generations" mehn what a few days.. too funny.

[moriarty1889]

shifting the goal posts.......what happened to only possible on PS5? MS ate alot of shit for this now its Sonys turn. No company should be excluded from criticism when it is warranted regardless of how great they may be.

[Wrex369]

Nah I'm getting both consoles but they handled this the wrong way. Sounds just as bad as "get a second job" shit they pulled for Ps3.

[pitythefool]

It’s dishonest at best, could easily have said some games will be cross gen while the PS5 will also launch with PS5 only titles, clear, truthful and still better than the MS launch line up.

He clearly kept it to himself on purpose.

[MightyHealthy]

Sony got themselves in this mess, they were the one that said we believe in generations, a response to MS saying their early games would be cross gen.
They shouldn't have said that, dont start none there wont be none

[Mithan]

I have no problem with cross platform games IF they do not detract from the experience of the game itself and clearly this game going to the PS4 will sell very well, which is also very important if we want a Horizons 3 (and we will).

However, will Horizons 2 cut things down in terms of CPU usage, so it can run on the PS4? The answer is yes, but will those be re-added to the PS5 version or will they say "not enough time", giving us a graphics boost instead and very little new in terms of increasing the general feel of the world and gameplay. I am talking about physics, AI, what is in the world, breakable objects, etc. These are all based on the CPU, not the GPU. As great as Horizons 1 was, imagine how much better it would be if they had more CPU power available.

That is my only issue with these types of things. The PS4 CPU is about 1/4 what the PS5 cpu can do, so I am very interested in how they will accomplish this without gutting the core experience that is Horizons 2 on a next generation platform. Ya ya, it will look great, but there is more to a game than graphics as I said above, especially open world games.

Obviously, Horizons 3 will be the true next-generation experience we all crave, and that probably wont happen until 2025 at the earliest.

So no, I am not against this, I just hope they add more to the game than better graphics for the PS5 version.

[anast]

The PS5 pre-orders are flying.

[FlavorLav01]

Demon Souls, Ratchet & Clank, Returnal, etc. all PS5 console exclusives say howdy. Believing in generations doesn’t mean cutting off 120+million players in the playstation ecosystem cold turkey launch day of the new gen either. I fully expected some big games to still be cross gen while others that take advantage of the new hardware stay exclusive to the new hardware. Glad to see their bread and butter still treated well while breaking in the new gen with some amazing experiences ready to go day 1.

[DreadfulHero]

And I'm not! I'm not getting a PS5 at launch, and when I get one is totally TBD right now. It certainly wasn't going to be until next fall at the earliest, possibly later. So give me that inferior Horizon Forbidden West and Miles Morales! I'll still be enjoying them on my *GASP* STANDARD PS4!

[Knightofelemia]

I am glad Spiderman 2 and Horizon 2 are coming to the PS4 send the PS4 out with a bang one more run of great games. But on the other hand this helps Sony out with game sales if the PS5 is hard to find out in the wild.

[glenn1979]

Hhhhaaaaaaa sony poniessss haaaaaaaa 🙈 just kidding guys

[ghostrider32]

So the man lied. Not one person in the video game industry, is a man or woman of their word.

[jBlakeeper]

The way they handled the news yesterday is what is disappointing. After touting these games for months as experiences only available on PS5, they shoehorned in the announcement that they are cross gen AFTER the presser yesterday. Shady business indeed.

[ibrake4naps]

Between giving people a reason to stick with their ps4 and raising the price of their next disk system by $100, they are accepting of a slower adoption rate, and that's OK.

[P_Bomb]

The fact we’re talking about it now means something went sideways. Any confusion can likely be traced to Jim Ryan’s ‘generations’ interview. Did the left hand not know what the right hand was doing?

[Unknown_Gamer5794]

So...there will be no flying mounts in the new Horizon I guess. I suppose I'll have to wait until Horizon 3 for that. :( I think the anger is overblown, but I'm not going to lie, I'm disappointed this game didn't turn out to be PS5 exclusive.

[ARESWARLORD]

Sony is old school dirty

[esherwood]

I wish they wouldn’t try to copy Microsoft on crap like this. It’s like Xbox does something different and don’t feels like it has to follow to compete even though they’re bad ideas. I went from a Xbox fanboy to being done with them hopefully next gen because I don’t like the gaas model they’re pushing. Just hope Sony doesn’t go all in on that also

[Kakashi Hatake]

Cross gen has been around long before Xbox....

[akaFullMetal]

Well, more people will get the enjoy Spiderman and Horizon 2, that's good. However, it's disappointing these games won't be built next gen optimized, as pretty as they may be.

[LucidIllusion]

And let the sadness commence!

[InUrFoxHole]

Well... There we go

[clouds5]

It makes sense. Selling games to all the ps4 users makes more money than just ps5 users. Adoption rate will be slower but I'd say profits on whole are bigger.
Btw: don't buy things at launch.. You will spend more and there will be problems.

[Kakashi Hatake]

Warranties are a thing

[clouds5]

?? What have warranties do to with anything?

[RangerWalk267]

Oh, I think Fanboys have a false sense of reality. They feel that everything needs to be how they want it 100% of the time. They also believe that what they purchase is completely exclusive to them. Stupidity at it's finest!!!

[Miacosa]

As long as these cross-games don't get comprised badly like Halo did on Xbox Series X causing them to basically go back to basics with new hires to try and right the ship the PS5 should be okay.

[spdarksky]

Dear SONY, you're the one that create this confusion and all. And now you try to defend your U-Turn. How pathetic.

[Sirk7x]

Most games are going to be cross-gen, I'd bet, until the install bases of the new consoles are high. No publisher is going to ignore install bases of over 100 million, many of whom are probably not ready to move on to next gen. It's going to take a couple/few years, at least. I honestly think that PS5/Series X could have held off for another year, maybe longer...

[FallenAngel1984]

You’ve got to be one salt mofo to be mad at this

[itsmebryan]

I thought these games were only capable on PS5. Now they can be done on PS4 also. They said they were moving on to the next generation. Now they say they will continue to support PS4.

Why weren't they honest about this in the beginning?

[cabinotier]

SIE talk 3rd party studio to leave 115 million PS4 market, some of them agree with it.
Then, SIE themself step back to PS4 to get more money.
What the hell is going on?

[Edito]

It's not about being disappointed for lunching on PS4 it's about you lying to the customers.

[mt]

I am not disappointed at all. I am actually happy, because it is just, I don't have to buy PS5 during launch date. hail to the PS4.

[Master of Unlocking]

"PlayStation boss Jim Ryan said no one should be disappointed at the news that some PS5 exclusives are actually also launching on PS4"

I for one don't see what the fuss some are making is all about: I certainly appreciate that some of the initial PS5 games will also come out for the PS4, I'll then get to enjoy Spider-Man Miles Morales, Sackboy's Adventure, and Horizon Forbidden West without having to fork out 500€, which is very good to know, as I don't have that sort of money currently, and if I did, I wouldn't spend it on a VG console, not in this economic climate.

Those people who claim that he (Jim Ryan) lied, yaddi-yadda, don't worry, you'll get your PS5 exclusives, and probably earlier than you thought. It's just a few games that will be cross-gen, a bit more than usually yes, but no need to cry a river overe this, dammit.

[xetiro]

Once the dust passes, people will realize that Sony focus on generations is genuine.

From the new DualSense controller, to the new 3D audio system, to the super fast SSD, PS5 was clearly designed with attention to key aspects that promise to truly impact the future of game design into deliver a new fresh and sophisticated experiences not possible with PS4. And with proper time, all internal studios will 100% focus on taking advantage of that. Meanwhile, at least for the 1st year its completely normal to have some 1st party and 3rd party cross-gen games.

I agree Jim Ryan should have explained better what he meant by "believing in generations" and how important is to keep supporting a 100M+ PS4 userbase for a couple more years, regardless the great focus on PS5, like they always did with every playstation.

But also, people seem to choose to focus on very strong and narrow interpretations to get mad about it. People are never happy with nothing, and they often miss what is important. SpiderMan Miles Morales will be available on PS4, but the PS5 version is beautiful next-gen stuff on day one.

[thesoftware730]

@xetiro
So you mean he should have said what Phil for Xbox said?

[TheEroica]

Lol...! Don't feel so bad about missing a pre-order. Ps4 will be just fine for years to come.

[GrmpyolGamer]

No one is except the fanboys

[MetroidFREAK21]

I'm not disappointed in the slightest. Of course they wouldn't ignore the 113+ million people who own PS4's... I'm happy more people get to play these games but all that talk was for nothing it seems.

[sromoli]

So why talk about this super "ssd" for months? So does that mean they also run on "sata" disk? Wow..unjustifiable.

[Rikimaru1977]

omg really, why is this such a big deal. i'm glad he said this. if someone don't have the money to purchase either ps5 and want to play spider-man or any other the titles. ps4 is still there. more people nick picking.

[Nuvian]

Wow at some of the comments here, people are actually complaining that Sony still will support the people that can't get thier hands on or can't afford a new console at the moment.
I don't see how it affects those of you that will have the console from day one, ps4 people will get to play some of the exclusives with worst graphics and lower frames...shame on them...