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What Happened To The Tactics Sub-Genre Of JRPGs?

Joining The Duel Screens Podcast this week is Pierre Leclerc, the Co-Founder of Six Eyes Studio and developer of tactics RPG Fell Seal: Arbiter’s Mark – which recently received a massive DLC update known as Missions & Monsters.

Aside from discussing Missions & Monsters, the conversation eventually gravitated to tactical JRPGs, like FF:Tactics and Tactics Ogre, and how we’ve seen less and less of these types of games throughout the years. Why has this particular sub-genre of JRPG has all but disappeared despite the aforementioned titles great success and loyal fanbase?

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Godmars2901398d ago

It wasn't making enough money.

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Godmars2901398d ago

@Disagrees:

You honestly think I'm happy about the dozens of potential B to A type SP turn based games that got turned into "F2P" mobile gotcha titles?

Really?

Outlawzz1398d ago

I'm not into tactical RPGs much unless they incorporate elements of other genres. That said I enjoyed the newest fire emblem because it had the school you could walk around and interact with people in.

mynameisthumper1398d ago

I LOVE tactical RPG games. While they don't really get made much anymore, there's plenty of masterpieces available to play as many times as I need. :)

BrainSyphoned1398d ago (Edited 1398d ago )

Guess Fire Emblem:Three Houses, Valkyria Chronicles and Disgaeas don’t count? Then you have the western ones with Banner Saga trilogy, Xcom, Gears of War Tactics and lots of crpgs filling the roll. Divinity OS scratches this itch perfectly for me. I own plenty of AA or indie srpgs from steam sales.
If you are looking to stratch the SRPG or CRPG itch there are plenty out there for all your strategy/powerhouse building needs.

Concertoine1398d ago

Agreed - was about to say longtime tactics series like Fire Emblem or Valkyria Chronicles are basically at the peek of popularity, and finally getting decent budgets

PiNkFaIrYbOi1398d ago

Well you can still find a lot of TRPGS out there, but for the most part it is a somewhat dying genre as pretty much everything is sort of merging together and moving more towards an action based combat system.

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FF XVI Producer Is Interested In Working On A New Final Fantasy Tactics Game

Final Fantasy XVI producer Naoki Yoshida is interested in working on a brand new Final Fantasy Tactics game.

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GoodGuy0920d ago

It's insane its been this long since the last release.

CrimsonWing6919d ago

Not from you.

Knowing how you handled FF16 by trying to make it appeal to non-fans and changing the entire gameplay design I can see you changing Tactics to appeal to non-fans.

If they’re going to do this please give it to someone who wants to keep the game and genre in tact.

VersusDMC19d ago

He worked on tactics ogre reborn. Was there changes? He wouldn't make an FF tactics game an action game. It will be AA but faithful. Probably what the Diofield Chronicles team and some of the FFXVI team is probably working on already and he is just keeping a secret.

And FF hasn't had a set gameplay design since X. I disliked the MMO, 12, 13 FF's but didn't mald for years. I played other games. Stop crying as he probably won't make a single player FF again and will be busy with the next FF MMO.

EternalTitan19d ago

I can feel your hatred. Keep it up.

Ataraxias19d ago

Tactics Ogre Reborn was an overall solid product but almost eliminated the concept of builds in the game.
So we'd probably end up with a system where character jobs like Mercenary for Ramza is 80% of the character instead of being freeform.

SegaSaturn66919d ago

Tactics Ogre Reborn changed a lot of gameplay mechanics for the worse. The class system is weird and hard to lock in roles, and they shoehorned a new "random card appearing" mechanic on the maps which makes no sense. Previously you obtained those boosts from killing powerful opponents, not spawning randomly.

There's a way better way to play Tactics Ogre: the fanmade onevision mod of the psp version.

EternalTitan19d ago

16 was just a terrible mess.
Its not even a JRPG let alone a final fantasy game.
Yosi piss(who said he hates JRPGs) should not touch another Final Fantasy game ever again.

VersusDMC19d ago

87 metacritic can't be a terrible mess.
If Kingdom Hearts is a JRPG then FFXVI is a JRPG. And he said he hates the term JRPG as it carries a bad stereotype with western journalists.

So you're just incorrect on several fronts...

Asterphoenix19d ago

I wouldn't mind a new FF Tactics longs they keep the tactical elements of Tactics in it as well as a very in depth story. Which FF Tactics years ago has by far one of the best stories in the series.

Tapani18d ago

Yes, alongside with Vagrant Story. Playing FFT, then Vagrant story and finally FFXII is a bliss. Deepest lore and best stories ever made in video games.

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Final Fantasy Games That Deserve the Remake Treatment

Final Fantasy has a long running history with numerous numbered titles and spin-offs, but which games stand to benefit from a remake?

gold_drake128d ago

i feel like all of them.
well except 2 haha.

shinoff2183128d ago

Agreed. Ff2 though can be made better, so it's not entirely a lost cause. Ff8 will gets its time. I do wish they'd do the old ones. From ff10 and up those ones still hold up pretty well.

kevco33127d ago

Honestly, I've always felt that VII and up 'hold up well' in that regard. The early 3D games just needed a cosmetic update. But the FFVII Remake is so different to the original in execution that a lot of games could be done in a similar fashion and feel far more modern.

I'm not saying that's a good or bad thing (that depends on your personal preference!), just that they could feel very different.

shinoff2183127d ago

Kevco I liked remake but I think your right. Idda been happy with a 1 to 1 remake that looked like ever crisis to. Or both

I'd just love I square would one day give us a turned based one with today's graphics. I can't really think of a jrpg that does that.

andy85127d ago

I'd rather the 13 trilogy just be ported tbh. No matter what you think if it, it shouldn't be the only numbered offline games not playable on new consoles. But naturally I'd play the **** out of 8-12 remakes.

shinoff2183127d ago

I do agree. I'd give it another shot even though I didn't like it at first. My taste change over time. Gta 4 for instance I was so disappointed it lacked so much of what san andreas had I didn't play it for like 5 years. One day went to a semi pro football game(American football) came home drunk and decided to try 4 again. I actually liked it after giving it a fair shot.

Rebel_Scum127d ago

Just make new games. Not every game needs to be remade.

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Final Fantasy Tactics Advance is as fresh of a game as it was 20 years ago

One of gaming’s most successful ‘isekai’ stories, Final Fantasy Tactics Advance puts you in the role of a kid transported to Ivalice and pulls no punches along the way.

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PunksOnN4G233d ago

I hope they remaster al lthese and ds version cuz people have NO IDEA how good the GBA version is...

edureboucas233d ago

That would definitely be an easy sell!

PunksOnN4G233d ago

i seen that a colletion was in a leak but they said its either all the tactic games redone for modern platforms or its a ARTbook lol I bet you its an artbook

phoenixwing232d ago (Edited 232d ago )

It'll probably be an art book only because a collection makes too much sense for se

Also if they did a collection it would be massively overpriced by se and be split up in volumes to milk it