Destiny 2 Is Removing Access To Past Paid Content And That's Not Okay

Andrew from Rocket Chainsaw talks through his concerns about removing access to previously paid content from past purchasers, even if that same content has since become free to all.

[whateverman]

Yeah, that's a real ouch.

[Unspoken]

Meh, Bungie and it's grindfest should hang it up and work on a new IP.

Keep the servers running for multiplayer and then work on a real campaign.

[kayoss]

I’m not defending them but c’mon. Destiny 2 have a few millions of players playing this game. So there is no way they’re going to hang this up.

[Profchaos]

If only I'm dreaming of a single player campaign from them with zero grind

[indysurfn]

Things like this is why they have always had bad customer relations despite how good the game is. Good Job, and now your going to be crying about why people look at them as the bad guys for a few more years.

This does not help the cause of digital games.. All you people that give up rights for convenience are hurting your own future. Physical for me. They can't take my game away.

[indysurfn]

They are bidding their time. Waiting until 90% of games are digital(except companies like EA and a few others like this keep jumping the gun). Then once they get us to all digital they will be doing just like this. Except within a couple years. These are warning signs. Just like when we went from a two 3 pound bag of chips for $1 to 8 ounces for 299. They waited until ALL companies got all customers used to the smaller bags for 89$ and then jumped. Supply and price of produce when down, but chips(all kind) went UP.

[NeoGamer232]

Ya, Bungie has fallen a long ways. There are Destiny die-hards out there, but to me, when I played Destiny, it was just the Halo engine in a new environment, with some new MP modes, and a lot of customization, without a real story.

Appealing to online gamers that like games like Fornite, Overwatch, PUBG, Apex, etc. but not very appealing to gamers who like the single player experience more.

[lazyboyblue]

I logged on today with the intention of starting the base game to find it all gone. Got hood.

[luckytrouble]

The base game isn't gone; it's just stashed a bit and only gives a quest marker after buying Forsaken, triggering all the campaign stuff at once.

You can play all the pre-Forsaken campaigns though by talking to Amanda Holliday in the Hanger at the Tower.

[lazyboyblue]

Thanks for that because I googled and everything. 👍

[luckytrouble]

Although I understand the sentiment, I have a hard time getting on board with the slippery slope approach. This only works at all because the game has adopted the free to play model which most other major subscription based MMOs will only ever do as a last ditch effort to revive their games.

As well, Curse of Osiris is the least offensive one they could remove. It's a criminally short campaign that even most free players completed months and months ago, myself included.

I understand the worry, but at the end of the day, Bungie is doing what they feel is needed to keep a modern MMO of Destiny 2's scale in check. We're already approaching 100GB, and the next expansion is going to push it over that threshold. They may be able to adopt an AI scaling method in the future that makes this all easier to manage, but bandaid solutions until then are not going to be optimal.

[Profchaos]

100gb isn't that bad when cod is pushing 200

[luckytrouble]

As someone with CoD installed, more than once I've wished I could delete content like the campaign to reduce the overall file size.

[L7CHAPEL]

the problem is every aspect of their game goes through a live server system.
I think that if you PAID for the game, you should have access to it.
there should only be live content (PVP) if you want to go into that system, many games do this.
it should be available for you to go through as far as PVE anywhere anytime you want,
this is not a difficult thing to do it's merely a question of how much storage space you're willing to alot personally, for access to those areas.

it's that they want to control every aspect of the game through their live service model, and PVP is a big reason for a lot of it.
there's not one megabyte of this game I didn't pay for,
but I won't be buying the new expansion or anything else from them.

this is the line in the Sand ladies and gentlemen.
if you allow this to go on, it will be in every game that has a live service model, guaranteed.

this is a poor/greed and control driven decision, I paid for the content,
I should have access to it, period.

free-to-play and paid should have different access steps.
if you're going free-to-play then you have to access their service system,
if you paid for the content it should be yours to go into whenever you want to and can do so without going into their service system.
if you want to invite people that's up to you it would be peer-to-peer at that point.
it's something they could do easily.
this current solution is not acceptable, at all.

[Almightsponge]

@l7chapel

If you had the option to keep access to vaulted content, would you actually still play it? Even if there was no incentive? No rewards because its not part of the story or seasonal activities. You have a group that would want to play this content with you so much to justify bungie giving you access to it?

Or would you play the current content that everyone else is playing and wait for the old stuff to come back around with a possible refresh?

[DJStotty]

If the only other option is forcing you to have to buy new dlc, then yes, you should be able to play exactly what you have paid for, regardless of how old it is.

[Yppupdam]

Blah, Just the name Osiris gives me a headache. I truly Hate that season and hope it disappears forever!

[Hakuoro]

Digital and DLC has been on a slippery slope ever since it was created.

But I saw this type of stuff coming which is why I don't buy any DLC or MTX.

[AuraAbjure]

What's worse case scenario with all this digital DLC business Hakuoro?

[Hakuoro]

Are you trying to instigate? I mean this topic has been discussed countless times.

Obviously on the most basic level when you buy things digitally you have no ownership and your permission to play or use digital products is completely controlled by someone else.

And as far as MTX and DLC goes we have since day one moved constantly towards more manipulative sales practices such as pay to win and pay to not grind and things like you see here which isn't even new where thing are removed or made useless in order to encourage people to buy or re-buy things.

This is a topic that has been discussed in far more detail that I am going to or maybe even could describe in a reply on a gaming site comment section.

[indysurfn]

Anyone that disagrees that you have no ownership of digital is a stupid fool that wants to be fool. They tell you when you buy it about 20 times in GREAT detail that you dont own the game. Your only buying a license then they go into GREAT detail telling you how this License is not ownership either. They can take the license away expire it stop supporting it ANY time without warning.

[KyRo]

They've also locked stuff behind the new season pass that ain't cosmetic.

[Kumakai]

Ok. Here’s the deal and I have said this on here many times but nobody gets it. YES. IT IS SHITTY THEY DID THAT. But now the reality part: You don’t actually OWN that content. You own the right to use that content under the terms of service that you agree to when you play the game. The thing NOBODY READS. You told them it was ok that they may not support that thing anymore or that it was subject to conditions.

Does that make it less shitty to lose your content? Nope. But this is why it is important to understand what you are paying for... and those physical copies of games? Same deal. It’s why the only difference to digital downloads and Blu-ray’s is that some day a Blu-ray will end up in a landfill. But from a software perspective, it’s not yours. You got a ticket to enjoy the show but you don’t own the club. Sorry.

It’s a lame thing for them to do but they are not obligated to support something in perpetuity, and we should adjust our expectations. To say it’s not ok just sounds naive and that you don’t understand what you are spending your money on. Plenty of multiplayer games ppl paid for have been shutdown altogether.

[AuraAbjure]

Yeah it's easier to use the content when we have physical media. Just throw in some NPCs with my physical media and let me have fun instead of

Oh wait we're pulling the content you paid for or

Oh actually we've decided straight out of the gate to make it difficult or impossible to even experience your paid for extra content or

We're shutting down the servers or ending online support for this game and since we never put NPCs in the gameplay you can forget about enjoying your paid for extra multiplayer content again.

[JeffGUNZ]

You're correct. They stop supporting servers for the game, guess what, the Destiny you own is worthless. You can't win with the Destiny Community. The reason they are taking them away is due to the size of the game and the inability to push out successful updates quickly as so many systems are in play on different planets. They are removing the least played and relevant content and placing it in a "vault" where they can bring it out when the evolving story continues. It appears they are not doing a D3 rather a continue evolving Destiny experience. I am fine with it because I hate stepping foot on Mercury. They are also bringing back D1 stuff like the Cosmodrome and the Vault of Glass raid. Things will rotate in and out based on where the story evolves and what is popular. With the size of games and DLC only growing, it is nice to free up some space on my SSD in exchange for losing planets I only travel on for the weekly flashpoint.

[rainslacker]

Legal and ethical or moral, are not mutually exclusive.

[Z501]

"You don’t actually OWN that content. You own the right to use that content under the terms of service that you agree to when you play the game. The thing NOBODY READS. You told them it was ok that they may not support that thing anymore or that it was subject to conditions"

This.
This is partly why I prefer physical > digital and own > rent (rent, meaning sub services)

[L7CHAPEL]

that's pretty much the premise everyone is looking at, though.
if they're shutting down a game altogether,
that's understood.
if it's no longer supported by the community.

but to have an active live game, and have them take content away?
that's where we are now.
if you're "free to play" you're at their Mercy,
but some of us that supported this game/have all of the content and expansions and paid for it? this is an entirely different animal.
I don't give a shit what they have to support, as far as free to play.

In the end our voices are the ones that WILL decide this, make no mistake,
but if your initial assertion is that it doesn't make a difference, well then they've won, haven't they ?
it's really a question if what they're adjusting and removing is something that is affecting you,
and if it doesn't,
I suppose I understand your reaction...
but the day will come when it will affect you, because this practice will be widespread...

[indysurfn]

Last thing you said was: "but the day will come when it will affect you, because this practice will be widespread."
BINGO! And that is what the greedy part industry is waiting on! Every once in awhile EA and companies like this jump the gun. But once they have enough fools going physical. BAMB game over (in some cases game over in less than a year look at Madden 2014 by EA.,...it was shut down in LESS than a year)

[Profchaos]

Exactly right look at wow as a perfect example if you brought the game in 2005 you can't access that base content the maps have changed significantly also with areas being revamped band changed over time in 2005 I also rocked a 800mhz CPU with a 64mb card to play it I couldn't even install it on that rig anymore

I never owned the contents I owned a key to play

[indysurfn]

You had me until you said same DEAL with physical. Because even though that is true and it has been even with Movie dvd's and blu ray discs and cd's too. But thing is they cant STOP you once you have the PHYSICAL copy in your hand from using it and selling it as you please! They are empty treats! They only time they enforce it is if you make COPIES of them and sell them or distribute them online.

[AuraAbjure]

Damn straight that is not okay! Be glad you ever even got to enjoy your paid content in D2 because many game companies find ways to get you to pay for extra content and then make it very difficult or impossible to even experience it.

All the while they dev. was making the sequel at the same time they were pumping out DLC for the old game. Then they kill the old game and then expect you to buy the sequel.

[JeffGUNZ]

In this case it is a little different. Destiny doesn't appear to be making a Destiny 3, rather they are expanding into one Destiny universe. They announced yesterday they next three-yearly expansions with the first coming late September. You don't see this happening often because it's a moot issue when a company just makes a sequel to the game. Now, they are putting things into the vault that make no sense due to the course of the story and/or ar least played and can bring them out whenever they want to depending on the evolving story and stuff like that. In exchange, they are bringing D1 things into the game like the Cosmodrome and the Vault of Glass. They can't keep supporting a game that grows like destiny for six years, some stuff has to take a back seat. I also don't want one game taking up 200, 300, or 400 GB when I am only using 100-200 of it.

[BeRich233]

I'm ready to sue lol

[indysurfn]

I'm with you but you can't because it is in the sales agreement. Just by physical. It will take awhile but problem solved. Thats the only way to shut the door on them.

[BeRich233]

I wasn't being serious, but i'm sure someone will try to sue. I stop playing destiny 2 after year 1 but might get back into it soon.

[Yodasfavoritesoda]

Yeah this crap

[SSmoke]

they stole the campaign? can't have shit in Detroit...

[indysurfn]

? This is not a joke matter.

[wisatabelitung]

the real game

[Crazyglues]

...LoL

[Nightcyberspud]

The game is already over 100gigs. If it saves space on my hard drive and you still have access to obtain the destination weapons in some form then I’m fine with it.