Geoff Keighley hints that we have not yet seen what next-gen games will look like

Geoff Keighley is dropping hints on Twitter.

[Nyxus]

It's obvious these games aren't really representative of what next gen is capable of. Some of them were current gen games.

[_SilverHawk_]

I know. Next gen starts when playstation says so. We'll see next generation games when Sony shows them on a playstation

[purple101]

Next gen starts when naughty dog says so.

Though prehaps now, Gurilla games also has a shout

[ColdSin]

Put your bias aside. May 12th will be the first actual look on what is considered a next gen title (I'm not claiming that I actually know, but I have this gut feeling). It is one game having a dedicated live stream. I hope it is Mafia 4 and Mafia 2 Definitive Edition.

[Tech5]

gamers - "Next gen starts when playstation says so. "
also gamers - "we finally get to play some ray-tracing that's from 3 years ago."

[Looper]

Lol next gen starts when the weaker console says so. Yeah okay pal.

[neutralgamer1992]

Looper

That stronger console won't have any exclusives for 2 years so yes Sony coming in with ps5 only titles does mean that's when next gen starts

You can tell me a game that is suppose to run on 12TF with SSD is also suppose to run on a 1TF console without SSD and that 1TF console won't hold back the game

And you keep enjoying the power argument if what cerny said is true and we have no reason not to trust him than ps5 will do just fine

But I guess we can believe Phil and not cerny

[--Onilink--]

So this gen starred with Knack?

You are seriously naive if you think you will see the same level of graphical quality on launch titles, regardless of console.

Most launch window titles are either cross gen or usually have cutbacks in regards to content or gameplay because they need to meet the deadline

[spicelicka]

Lmaoooo what

[umair_s51]

Apart from ACV we didn't see AAA games. Heck some were even indie.

[GTgamer]

@--Onilink--

So you bring up knack and ignore killzone shadowfall which to this days looks better than allot fps released today buttttt I digress but of course sony was smart enough to make sure that was the first next gen gameplay we saw when they revealed the PS4.

[Sitdown]

Next generation starts when I have a next generation console in my house regardless of the company.

[Donnie81]

I thought next gen started a few years back with the launch of the switch

[--Onilink--]

@GTgamer

Yeah, killzone still looks great, but overall it was just decent, nowhere near any of the recent exclusives. If anything, Infamous was the better of the launch window games and even that one was also really filled with repetitive missions, specially compared with the previous 2.

Same thing with Ryse on Xbox, looked great but was meh overall.

Launch exclusive games have less development time and have a deadline that cannot be pushed back, so of course they can usually be lacking in some places. Or they are cross gen games with plenty of content but obviously wont change that much graphically.

If you ask me, it wasnt until Ratchet and Bloodborne that Sony started with their streak of great exclusives, which makes sense, it takes time to make high quality games

[Michiel1989]

next gen allready started on pc ages ago ;)

[starchild]

Uh...PC has always been ahead of any console. The closest the consoles will ever be to PC is right at launch. But even then they are somewhat behind.

[Jin_Sakai]

Sony’s 1st party studios will give us a real taste of next gen. Bluepoint Games and Guerrilla Games both claim they will set the bar for next gen visuals. Can’t wait!

[neutralgamer1992]

Born will have games day one on ps5 from the looks of it and it's amazing anyone who says something good about ps5 the disagrees fly in yet every day we are told this site is run by PlayStation biased gamers

[RpgSama]

Facts! There's nothing that looks like God of War, Horizon, TLOU2 or Ghost of Tsushima on the One X a console that is on paper close to 50% more powerful than the Ps4 Pro, imagine what the same developers will do for the Ps5 with a difference of only around 18%

[jairusmonillas]

@RpgSama
You are wrong, PS5 is superior with it's twice faster SSD. 18% TF difference is irrelevant compared to that godly SSD.

[RpgSama]

@Jairusmonillas

I agree with you, I actually think than both consoles will have their strengths and that the Ps5 will more than make up with that anything lost in other areas, like the Tflop difference which is minor. But even playing devil's advocate, the "factual" numbers wise difference on paper this time around is only 18% in the Tflops count, with what we've seen Sony Developers do with 50% less, they will do laps around this minor difference.

[Zeref]

@rpgsama

Gears 5 says hello.

And we already seen what Nextgen looks like. Hellblade 2... How are yall so quick to forget lmfao, very convenient.

[starchild]

That's just hyperbole. Sony does make some of the best looking games. But not all of their games look that good. Also, some of the better multiplats on PC or higher end consoles can sometimes equal or surpass the exclusives.

[Godmars290]

At best they're transitional, yet its what MS chose to lead with.

[leejohnson222]

Exactly, as if ms didn't preview the show before it went live

[Unspoken]

It's what next gen is going to look like at the beginning of a generation. You rarely see the full potential until the end of the generation. Why do we go through this spin every time and have to re-educate the Sony cult?

[Godmars290]

@Unspoken:
"Why do we go through this spin every time and have to re-educate the Sony cult?"

Well, since you put it that way, maybe its because MS have never managed to set any graphic standards within a console gen? Especially for all the times they've emphasized graphics and system power.

[angelsx]

Don't listen this clown

[AnubisG]

Than why advertise them as next gen games?

[shiva1]

Because those games are yet to release and might release before next gen starts but will play on next gen consoles too...

Ubisoft din show AC unity which will also run on next gen console, they showed Valhalla. Understand the difference before you ask the question. Some games may not put the consoles to test or sweat them....

[AnubisG]

@shiva1

People like you make up all the excuses for these companies.

Look, there was an Xbox even where they said they will show off, guess what! NEXT GEN GAMES. That is what they said they will show and that is what they showed off. There is an article about how the Mediums gameplay could not be done on current gen consoles so that is 100% next gen. So we have seen next gen games.

What does Unity have to do with anything here? I don't get it.

You need to understand what is being talked about here instead of trying to defend these companies.

[Unspoken]

Because they will be optimized for the next gen console? It does not even take a high school level of education to understand this, especially when history has repeated itself. Does Sony have nothing but 9 year olds playing?

[AnubisG]

@Unspoken

Read this!

https://n4g.com/news/234439...

Optimized your face. That is what's optimized for bullshit.

[Drew345]

I have to agree.

Looking at the leap from the following:
Metal Gear 1 (PS1)
God of War 1 (PS2)
Heavy Rain (PS3)
The Last of Us 2 (PS4)

I gotta say that I'm expecting something around Advent Children and slightly higher in some areas.

[isarai]

Yeah i noticed

[DeadSilence]

No Sony 1st party games showed on Ps5 yet, soon we'll see.

[ApocalypseShadow]

Obviously. But I don't need Goeff to tell me that. His over hype is hard to trust anyway. I trust my gut that better impressions of next gen is coming. Even for Xbox.

[neutralgamer1992]

I agree he over sells a lot

[ColdSin]

Well... I too would have had the same opinion if it wasn't for Shinobi agreeing with him. When Shinobi says something, it is true.

[Axonometri]

I may not have received my PS5 and XSX yet. Just to give you all a little hint.

[BlackIceJoe]

Everyone knows this, because so far we have mostly gotten CGI trailers and not ones with gameplay. Once game developers start showing gameplay trailers we'll get an idea of what these games can look like.

[starchild]

Yeah, it's hard to judge off of purely cinematic trailers. I have a decent sense about how AC Valhalla will look because I'm very familiar with the series and how their cinematic in-engine trailers look compared to the regular gameplay. Still, I'm looking forward to seeing raw gameplay of next gen games.

[BlackIceJoe]

Having played the last Assassin's Creed game, I too have an idea of what the game play will look like, but for me personally seeing a gameplay trailer gets me more excited for a game, than an in-engine trailer.

I think from what game developers said after the Xbox event they'll take the criticism to heart and going forward they'll show gameplay trailers, instead of CGI trailers.

[spirited]

No shit ,Geoff

[neutralgamer1992]

Until we see games only coming to next gen with gameplay it hasn't started. One company will move forward even though it has a install base of 110 million while the other wants to hang back with install base of 50 million to show they are making some sort of good gestures

[jBlakeeper]

Sony always sets the bar every generation. Their first party games are the best of the best each generation graphically.

[chiefJohn117]

30fps in a linear world is not setting the bar

[mkis007]

Frame rate alone is not even close enough to define a bar. Or is minecraft at 60fps a more technically impressive game than god of war at 30?

[chiefJohn117]

Never said frame rate alone sets the bar. High texture graphics, 60fps with MP definitely do though.

[TheTony316]

You mean Linear games like Horizon, Spiderman and Ghost of Tsushima?

[Kaedro]

You're completely right! /s Having fun with Crackdown 3?

[Gaming4Life1981]

When xbox and ps2 was out xbox was graphics king. I agree that ps always has great looking games but they usually have the most powerful system except for the time I mentioned.

[starchild]

They make some of the best looking games for sure, but there are plenty of games on PC that look better, not even counting the much better framerates.

Also, I think graphically advanced late gen games like Ghost of Tsushima and Cyberpunk 2077 will hold their own against early next gen games. People shouldn't get so hung up on the terminology, it really depends on the game.

[Poopmist]

Idk original Xbox had that won pretty handily.

[sleepyhead]

No shit sherlock. PS5 show is incoming, xsx also haven't shown any of their big guns.
The article was written way too early.

[Vasto]

Microsoft has already did the impossible with making Gears 5 at 4K / 60 FPS on a console the technical show case of this generation. Yes, there are some really good looking games out and still coming but nothing at 60FPS and looking that good. I can only imagine what Microsoft 1st party is going to doing with Series X.

https://www.forbes.com/site...

[sleepyhead]

@Vasto If you haven't seen already, here's a teaser: https://youtu.be/WyYzrcZurA...

[Wetpapertowel]

Maybe Series X will have a game that looks as good as Horizon, Last Of Us 2 or God of War.

[Vasto]

@sleepyheard

I forgot all about Project Mora. Thx!

@Wetpapertowel

All 30FPS games that dont look as good and dont perform as good as Gears 5. Games not only perform better at 60FPS but because of the fluid motion they even look better. Xbox does not sacrifice performance for visuals. Anybody can make a good looking game at 30FPS but it takes real skill and talent to do it at 60 FPS.

[sinspirit]

Probably has something to do with a newer, more powerful, and higher launch priced box to get that 60fps. And, it's not the graphical showcase of this generation.

"Anybody can make a good looking game at 30FPS but it takes real skill and talent to do it at 60 FPS."

It took a newer box to get it to run at 60fps and 4K. Look at the base console and tell me what looks better. Which one has better assets and technical detail. Gears 5 is great looking but not the top visual showcase. You brought developer talent into this, so that's why I state that the box allowed them 4k/60. The developer itself isn't more talented than the competition. They simply had the latest produced box by a year and with a $100 higher launch price. Of course they should achieve 4k60 if they're exclusively developing for it. The

[chiefJohn117]

The base console version runs at 60fps so that ends your argument

[sinspirit]

@ chiefjohn117

Base console runs at 30fps. Both versions dip below intended resolution consistently, and frame analysis shows frame dips. It's not constant 60fps like you're inferring. It's merely being commended for 4k60 with great graphics in general. A rare feat. But, this is due to the consoles capability. It has a lot of cuts like reflection maps, destructible environments, static objects, etc that it used to achieve 4k60. It's beautiful on the surface, but nothing like the fully realized worlds with greater fidelity, dynamic environments, and interactive objects from the competition. It merely has a resolution and fps bump from a 40% more powerful box that still had sacrifices to reach, and it doesn't reach them constantly either.

[chiefJohn117]

Agreed Gears 5 is the technical showcase of the generation. Looks as good as any other game and 4k 60fps. Nothing else looks as good and run at 60fps.

[mkis007]

How many tech awards did Gears 5 get nominated for? This claim is laughable when, even leaving aside GOTY awards, God of War's tech award nods dwarfs Gears 5's...and God of War might not even be the most impressive game I could pick.

Seriously go recheck out the awards each game was nominated for and then come back to say sorry. Your claim can't be backed up by anything. ( nominations only as it wouldn't be fair to compare wins from 2 different years).

This belief that 4k/60 is all you need to call it the benchmark game is silly. You can make any game 4k/60 as long as that is the design goal.

[SyntheticForm]

Seriously?

You're a Gears fan, alright. I get it, and it's technically impressive, but compared to God of War? No way, no chance.

The overall detail in God of War; textures, particle effects, character models, motion capture, etc puts Gears 5 to shame and Gears 5 isn't a bad looking game, but God of War is on another level entirely.

God of War also has a 1080/60 mode and it's still very impressive.

[chiefJohn117]

Actually I'm not much of a gears fan. I enjoyed 5 but I didn't really like 4 and I couldn't even finish the OG 3 games. So nice assumption/s I find gears 5 to be more of a technical masterpiece. The game had far more dynamic elements to account for than GOW did. Both look fantastic I just give gears the nod.

[tontontam0]

If you see a logo saying "optimized for ...." it is not a next gen game.

[_dangerclose_]

Exactly and if you see the disclaimer, "Game and Console in Development In-Engine Footage Representative of Expected Series X Visual Quality" its not running on series x.

[Sophisticated_Chap]

It always takes a few years into a generation of consoles, before we start seeing games on a graphical level that we hadn't seen previously. Having said that, playing games like GR: Wildlands, Gears 5, and Shadow of the Tomb Raider on high-end PC hardware, is already essentially a next generation experience, when compared to these same games on consoles. I expect Horizon: Zero Dawn will also be absolutely stunning on high-end PC hardware when it launches this summer, and is sure to be a step above the current console versions, including that of the PS4 Pro.

[starchild]

Yeah, you get it. Those games and others already surpass anything I've played on console. So I'm sure that upcoming "current gen" games like Cyberpunk 2077 on PC will look better than any first wave console exclusive. But both exclusives and multiplats that come later in the generation will definitely look much better.

[bangoskank]

I have a feeling the future of games will reveal its true face in the form of Elden Ring and God of War 2.

[Skuletor]

I was hoping Elden Ring would make an appearance at the Xbox Event. The announcement trailer has the logos for Xbox One, PS4 and PC at the end of it though, so unless things have changed, it will be a cross-gen game, not a next-gen one.

[bangoskank]

You're right but Miyazaki can be very unpredictable. Games such as "The Last Guardian" have also converted to next-gen hardware during developement. I believe From will do the same so their vision can be realized. This is an open world Souls game with a release date that is nowhere in site. We haven't seen any gameplay footage either. Supposedly the PS5 is launching this holiday. I'm betting "Elden Ring" will release a year or two in the PS5's life cycle.

[Donnie81]

I cannot wait to see the rpg playground games is working on. The teasers they have released have looked really good and they are a top ten dev in the game so I expect a masterpiece. Fable reboot or new ip I’m pumped

[Elda]

I never doubted that. Hopefully within the next month or so Sony will be showing true next gen when they reveal new first party games at their PS5 reveal event.

[Tzuno]

calm your tits everyone

[MrVux000]

No shit?

Cuz so far we have mostly seen cross-gen games gameplay.

[Elda]

Exactly.

[Kaedro]

Exactly. But better correct that to "so far we have mostly seen cross-gen games". We've arguably not seen any gameplay.

[MrVux000]

Good point...

[mark_parch]

Good, while i thought games like scorn, the ascent and medium looked interesting they didn't sell me on next gen.

[ANIALATOR136]

Show us then

[TheTony316]

You don't say?

[gold_drake]

hi, so what is it then? are we gonna see massive change or not? so many ppl say no so many ppl say yes.

[brewin]

All the graphic whores out there will never be satisfied with what they see. They're already trying to say these games that have been shown aren't impressive. I thought things looked pretty damn good from the Xbox showcase, I'm sure Sony's studios will have some mind blowing stuff to show soon, and the next couple of years will have some awesome stuff from both consoles. Can't we just be happy that awesome games with high frame rates and no load times are on the horizon?!

[Zeke68]

Nextgen doesn't start until Sony say so.

[OptimusC]

we won't see "next-gen visuals" until at least 2022. PS4 still has a few years that the games need to be compatible with.

[Npugz7]

I hope your right because so far Sony and Microsoft have given me no reason to buy one if there new consoles! Not a game shown yet that the current gen can’t do.

[Maywell]

Hahaha is he trying to defend something represented by Xbox Series X? It would be hard.

Well, don't worry folks, the true quality of next-gen games will be brought up by PS5. The key point is only on PS5.

[RookieMonsterLives]

This was a AA small third party showcase for XSX and most of those games will also appear on PS5 as well and you are comparing them to only on PS5 games? Where is the logic?

[BenRC01]

Series x will always be hampered by its crippled siamese twin hanging off the side.the games have to accommodate the one s, so nothing will ever look truly next gen. You need a fresh start like ps5

[RookieMonsterLives]

And we know nothing about PS5 games...those can be cross gen with PS4 slim as well in the beginning. Add to the fact that nothing from MS's internal studios were shown so we will see.

[jbull]

No shit Sherlock.

[TheHateTheyGive]

Geoff Keighley another corporate stooge, he tried to put over that god awful death stranding games as the greatest thing since sliced bread. I dont need people telling me what my eyes see, and so far these next gen games are not impressive at all, when the ps360 era was ending and games were shown you could tell those were next gen.

[RookieMonsterLives]

Most of the games at the Xbox event were smaller AA third party games and cross gen titles. How can you compared them to the likes of Killzone:SF and Ryse at the XB1/PS4 launch when nothing from MS of Sony First party were shown for XSX/PS5?

[starchild]

People were saying the same kinds of things before the current gen started. We had launch games like AC Black Flag, Battlefield 4, COD Ghosts, Killzone Shadow Fall and Knack. Some people weren't that impressed at first, but eventually most people realized it was a good start and better looking games would come in time.

I think AC Valhalla looks awesome and will probably be to the next generation what AC Black Flag was to the current generation. That is, better looking than the previous gen games but still not as good as the next wave of games.

I think that after all is said and done this jump will be similar to the one from PS3 to PS4.

[FanboySpotter]

I'll know what real next gen looks like when the initiative reveals whatever they are doing. Ninja theory with hellblade 2 and project mara

[Patricko]

Well duh... They didn't show anything special yet...

[cell989]

I remember him saying this for PS4 and xbone. Turned out to be overhype. Yes it was a nice leap but nothing crazy like PS2 to PS3

[AcidSkyHigh]

"Next gen starts when PlayStation says so" Are you people without understanding?! Nintendo already started 9th Gen with the Switch Baby!!!!!

[Tzuno]

we all know the best comes at the end of a generation, look at god of war or last of us graphics, nothing new