Xbox Game Pass Has Over 10 Million Subscribers; Xbox Live Had Nearly 90 Million Monthly Active Users

During Microsoft’s quarterly financial conference CEO Satya Nadella and CFO Amy Hood talked about the company’s gaming business.

[Kribwalker]

10 million subscribers is nuts. if they keep supporting it with lots of day one releases, i could see the sub base keep climbing, especially around the launch of Halo infinite

[xXMessiah23Xx]

At 5 bucks per month. 50 million without including the Game Pass revenue. I remember thinking Blizzard had it made with its monthly revenue from subscribers.

[gravedigger]

1$. GPU is still 1$

[CaptainHenry916]

That price is going to change next generation. I expected it to be around $15.99 to $20.00 so they can make more profit especially if they add more day one releases.

Are they also counting Windows game pass as well?

[KillBill]

Not sure what currency you are quoting here? Game Pass is basically $10 a month PC or Console with $15 a month for Game Pass ultimate. There are introductory pricing but the idea they are as prevalent versus regular subscriptions is less likely seeing the year over year growth.

Microsoft by far earns much more from sales revenue increases showing from Game Pass user base (not subscribers) which is showing a monthly 90 million users each month. (I myself have 5 family members on our plan).

[DJStotty]

@Gravedigger

1$ gamepass is for NEW subscribers, not current. You can not take the offer every month.

[darthv72]

I wasnt too sure of the service at first but then I got one of those $1 for 3mo introductory offers and got hooked. And since then I have been able to use points from bing searches as well as deals on the internet for additional months of service. If I dont buy another offer... my service runs until the middle of 2021.

[Jin_Sakai]

I’m sure most of those 10 million subscribers are from the $1 deals. I’ll be more impressed should they stay after the prices return to normal.

[ABizzel1]

This. The service is worth the asking price, even at normal pricing, but the $1 promotion does help these numbers, but I'm pretty sure subscriber count won't dramatically drop afterwards either. $10 - $15/mo for a decent library of games is almost as good as Gamefly. I have it for my little brother so we don't have to buy him games anymore. He has about 3 games he wants new, the rest he play on GamePass.

[ReadyPlayer22]

Lol, this is said every time Microsoft comments on Game Passes success for the past 2 years. Now that official numbers are released, it's still $1 deals?

[Donnie81]

Don’t worry when you get your series x because it’s the vastly superior system you can grab you one month for a buck and enjoy the best deal in gaming

[Godmars290]

@ReadyPlayer22:
How are $1 deals not a factor?

[Jin_Sakai]

“Don’t worry when you get your series x because it’s the vastly superior system“

Without vastly superior exclusives. It’s too bad you guys can’t look past specs. We’ll let the games do the talking once they’re shown.

[RazzerRedux]

Maybe. Personally, I use Microsoft Rewards so I pay zero cash for Game Pass. It doesn't really matter. Microsoft is bringing in gamers with their strategy. This is all about engagement. It is a smart strategy.

[TK-66]

@Godmars290

"How are $1 deals not a factor?"

Because it's equivalent to arguing that a sizable portion of PS Now's 1m subscribers are just people making new accounts and getting the trial.

[Christopher]

***Lol, this is said every time Microsoft comments on Game Passes success for the past 2 years. Now that official numbers are released, it's still $1 deals?* **

My $1 conversion ends in January 2021. It will take a while to see if it sticks at $10 or $15/month.

[Godmars290]

@TK-66:
That would be as bad if not worse, only I don't think Sony - their extremist fans - are trying to use the populist argument to get their service because its popular. Not that I've looked.

Then again, Sony's not so seemingly desperate to push their service as to include AAA titles day one.

[ReadyPlayer22]

@Godmars

With God of War and Spiderman making it onto PS Now, the writing is on the wall. More and more of Sony's 1st party games will have to make it into PS Now if they even hope to compete with big tech in streaming. Look at xCloud, it's been in very limited beta for a just year and is even approaching a million users.

[L7CHAPEL]

oh I'm sure that's the reason.
I'm sure there's lots of people that want to argue the negative aspects of getting a great deal.
I upgraded, I've got it for 3 years at no greater price that I would have paid for Xbox live to begin with.
it's a nice little statistic for everybody that claims that Xbox isn't successful, and want to judge everything by console sales.
90 million.
I've got three additional accounts on mine Xbox live, and they pay no additional price for the service or for Game pass ultimate, they have access to everything on it.
Saves me a ton of money.
And@ jin_sakai: exclusives are nice we've gotten plenty of them, and we'll get more.
but there are thousands of games that AREN'T exclusives that are there for the playing, you guys bought your console because that's what's most important to you, are those "precious Sony exclusives🙄" some of us don't care about 100's of jrpgs, and maybe the four or five actual Sony games that come out in a year, only two or three of which I'd be interested in to begin with, as well as millions of other people...
or we wouldn't be on Xbox.

exclusives isn't the only thing consoles have to offer.
and millions of people game for different reasons 🤘

[Godmars290]

@ReadyPlayer22:
GOW and Spiderman were offered *DAY ONE* on PS Now?

When did the games go on PS Now, six months to year if not longer after release? How is that THE EXACT SAME THING as what MS is doing?

I was only ever a fan of gaming as a streaming service when it was going to be earlier titles through TVs and the like. As is now its just gong to make console gaming as generic as mobile.

[execution17]

I just use that so i can buy games at a discount

[gamer7804]

as long as the service keeps up with good games they will probably mostly stay, considering just by playing the games you can pay or your subscription to GPU.

[Christopher]

Just to note for the person who downvoted my response above:

For $1 I:

* converted a year of XBL Gold that I already had to Game Pass Ultimate.
* converted a one month of XBL Gold code that I had laying around from buying my XOX.
* got 3 months of Discord Nitro for free, which also gave me 3 months of XBL Gold that also converted over.

So, for $1 I converted 1 year and 4 months of XBL Gold to Game Pass Ultimate. I paid $40 for the XBL Gold year sub. So, that's $41 for what is supposed to cost me $210.

When people talk about the $1 deals, they're not talking about just the free introductory months, but also the conversion from XBL to Game Pass Ultimate for cheap as heck. An amazing deal. But I have no clue if I will keep the sub up after that or just sub for $15/month when a game or two pops up that I want to try. I do love XBL Gold and I do like some of the games coming to GamePass (Wasteland 3, Gears Tactics). But I'm not just going to stay subscribed when I typically buy games for real cheap as it is, typically with all the DLC/Season Passes included.

[DJStotty]

@Jin_Sakai

The 1$ deal has been going for just under a year, maybe more. That is when i subscribed, because it was £1 for the first month. So no... most of the 10 million are not from the 1$ deals.

The 3 month Ultimate offer has been going since December 2019, we are now 4/5 months later, so them that got it back in Dec/Jan are now paying full price.

[LordJamar]

No there not that 1$ thing barely exist any more that was a special deal to get you in most are paying for ultimate 15$ a month or normal gamepass which is 10$ I think my gamepass ultimate is not 1$ a month has not been for like 4 months

[Imortus_san]

LOL.

[Sgt_Slaughter]

Microsoft loves fluffed up numbers instead of hard $$$ figures or actual copies sold, because they realize it's better PR when it's inflated. It's why they stopped telling people how many Xbox's have been sold or how many copies each game sells. Always take their announcements like this with a grain of salt for that reason.

There's tons of trials active and $1 deals that have bumped this number way up.

[BillyG0AT]

The prices have been normal for months

[AngelicIceDiamond]

I sure the announcement of RDR2 hitting the service will sustain the subscribers.

[gravedigger]

All of the existing Halo, Fable, Gears, and Perfect Dark games, as well as Outer Worlds & Hellblade, are currently on Gamepass FWIW.

Not surprised at the 10 million milestone given the number of ultimate deals they've offered, the real test will be when everyone is paying $15/mo.

[KillBill]

That was a long time ago where the Ultimate deal started... those of us that partook back then for the most part are still here a year later. My first offering was a free 3 month ultimate with no hidden requirements. After the 3 months it was simply done. Chose to continue simply because of the volume of games we as a family played and had available to us. No brainer as there simply was no reason not to purchase it for the day 1 Microsoft Exclusives alone. If you are playing on Xbox then likely you are invested in their franchises. As for new gamers to Xbox you soon become invested in their franchises as they are all right there on Game Pass to be played.

[DJStotty]

@killbill

Exactly why i subbed, just for MS exclusives alone it works out cheaper than buying the games at full price, even at £7.99 per month.

7.99 x 12 months = 95.88

At least 3 MS Exclusives at 49.99 each (DAY 1) 3 x 49.99 = 149.97

No brainer.

[LordJamar]

Every one is paying 15$ a month mine is 15$ a month and I don’t plan to cancel anytime soon majority did not do that 1$ conversion and much of it is over majority are paying 15$ a month or doing the 3 month or year one why is it so hard to just give gamepass some credit Jesus Christ

[DEEHULK88]

Abizzel1
How many of those 50 million Disney+ subscribers are padded up by discount entry prices and Verizon deals? At the end of the day they subscribed and if they like the service, they might keep it.

[Rude-ro]

Let’s let the free access signups run out.
I boot up a game on my pc.. and it automatically counts me as a Xbox live player although I am not playing on an Xbox game or even using live.
I’m on steam.
Lots of pr fluff with this and a lot of it has to do with windows 10 more than reality.,
Just saying.

[KillBill]

Has been reported in the past they do not include the PC numbers in their reporting of subscribers.

[Christopher]

***we’re seeing increased monetization of in-game content and services.** *

Gotta recognize this. While we are getting some good games, we need to make sure we don't head the wrong way.

[sprinterboy]

The way I look at it is this; that's 35m xbox owners not using the $1 offer?

[Kribwalker]

“ Xbox Game Pass has more than 10 million subscribers”

they used current form, not past tense, if they say it has more than 10 million then its current. There could have been tonnes of people that used the $1 trial and don’t count unless they continued their sub

[THC CELL]

Hardware revenues are 20% lower than last year.
Gaming revenues -1%
Services +2%

[leejohnson222]

Across how many platforms and are they all active users?

[XBManiac]

Well... you can have 1$/month offer until it ends by creating new accounts every month. Tedious... but generalized here. I hope it lasts long at 1$, because it is a bargain.

[King_Noctis]

But Gamepass doesn’t make any money. /s

[SyntheticForm]

It's anti-developer, especially when Microsoft pays them. /s

[darx]

The developer isn’t being forced to put their games on the service.

[SyntheticForm]

@darx

Notice the "/s"

[sinspirit]

"Xbox Game Pass has more than 10 million subscribers and we’re seeing increased monetization of in-game content and services."

Here it goes. Suits telling other suits where business focus is headed. Horizon 4 bothered me so much with wheel spins and dlc in the menus that I went back to horizon 3.

[Ausbo]

Horizon 4 didn’t have microtransactions. Yeah it had wheelspins, but they were free. Earned through in game challenges.

https://www.gamerevolution....

[timotim]

This is the silliest thing I've ever read on this site. Congrats. So you're essentially knocking FH4's wheelspins that serves as a reward for the player and allows you to unlock new content in game, while totally forgetting that wheelspins are also in FH3 and work very much the same way. When you get wheelspins in the game, thats a good thing haha. Why that would bother anyone just tells me you're looking for anything to complain about. All of it is done in game and is completely free.

[sinspirit]

@timotim

Starting a new game and having the avatar focus made wheelspins feel super frequent. I got tired of the lengthy wheel spin distraction and went back to the previous title. The whole game feels like it's designed around a microtransaction system that didn't get put in, probably because of the loot box controversy at the time. I mean, they removed them from FM7. When, they used to add micronsactions post-launch. Even if things are free, it's taking away from the experience. And, Horizon 4 was so clearly designed around this system. Watching that wheel spin every race and level was mind numbing just to get a horn or outfit for a useless avatar. Constant gratuity like that isn't a good progression system. Money or not, we need gameplay improvements. Not distraction systems meant to give artificial progression(unlockables) to make up for a games short comings. This is what mobile games do to inflate "content".

[timotim]

Wrong again. They never removed microtransactions from FM7...they were never there to begin with! What they removed from FM7 was loot crates which never costed any real world money and used only the in game currency. This tells me exactly how much you know if these games. Keep talking though...youre making it quite apparent.

I've been playing FH4 since 4 days before it launched, put in over 240 hours in the game and I'm only 50% complete...I've never heard anyone say what your implying right now. The game rewards the player with a chance to get new cars and/or gear for your player by being good at the game...the reason you get a lot at the beginning of the game is because the challenges start of mild and increase the more you play it so that it encourages you to keep going...its called good game design haha...it works perfectly into the balance and progression of the game. You also understand that wheelspins started as far back as FH2 right??? I also never heard anyone call them lengthy either...but its suppose to create suspense, the same way TV game shows like 'The Price is Right' does it.

Lastly the game allows you to bank them for the most part and do the wheelspins when you want. Like you're really trying here. The game is not designed around MTs at all...no loot crates either...just a lot of content that keeps the player coming back...when did content and rewards systems become a bad thing...

[leejohnson222]

Exactly pro company news from the company, they don't tell you console install base but tell you this? Are they all active? What's the breakdowns over all the platforms?

[DOMination-]

That is ridiculous. You dont even need to do the wheel spins! You can leave them piling up and do them all together when you have a few minutes to kill

[sinspirit]

@timotim

They always plan microtransactions post launch. That's what I just said. They decided not to release it for FM7 during the loot box controversy period and same goes for Horizon 4. Maybe I'm forgetful, but it didn't feel so intrusive on Horizon 3. The system feels reminiscent of a microtransaction heavy system regardless. For a racing game, if say they're lengthy. We see the end screen and the wheel spin and it feels like a while till it's done

[timotim]

All this talk isn't really necessary. FH4 has ZERO MTs or loot crates in it, nor has ever had them in there. You are wrong plain and simple. Nothing about its design suggests that they were ever in there. The game works off a unlock system by doing various things in the game, wheelspins is just one of many, but theirs also daily and weekly challenges...barn finds...showcase events...online events etc...all of it meant to keep the gamer coming back to play more. You cant name another more complete racer that has more content in it than FH4...other than another Forza title maybe. And all this because the bankable wheelspins seem lengthy to you...🤦🏾‍♂️

[sinspirit]

@Timotim

"Nothing about its design suggests that they were ever in there".

Might wanna play some more games that have MT issues. It feels like it had them but was taken out. I'm not knocking the game itself. I just think it's a bit much and I prefer to focus on racing and unlocking things with my own earnings. Just my opinion. MT based games will implement similar systems down the line but, for example, limit wheelspins or sell them deliberately. It's got a system already in place if they decide to implement it. That's pretty clear.

[timotim]

"It feels like it had them but was taken out."

For the last time buddy...YOU ARE WRONG!

What you personally feel does not matter...youre making accusations...we have to look at what IS, not what you think is. MTs or loot crates were never, and will never been apart of the game. Their is enough content in there to keep players coming back for YEARS. The game makes enough money on console, PC and Game Pass for them to even worry about that. Once they open up xCloud and put it on XGP, it will bring in even more money for them. You are creating your own scenarios and trying to attach it to this game, yet Wheelspins go all the way back to FH2...yet another game which has no MTs in it.

[sinspirit]

@Timotim

Lol, what? I just told you that, to me, it feels like that. You're telling me my own feelings are wrong? 😂 I have played MT heavy games before. I know how their systems are. These wheelspins are reminiscent of them regardless of being free. I just told you I don't personally like this constant gratuity and lesser sense of progression. I don't like this focus on engagement numbers. I just want deeper gameplay.

"The game makes enough money on console, PC and Game Pass for them to even worry about that."

With this extremely huge growth on GP subscribers, but lack of revenue growth. We can't judge the long term business of GamePass. That's what my post was worried about. They themselves mentioned in-game monetization. I simply spoke of a game that launched around a controversial period where MT's were getting hammered on, and has a system that perfectly suits future monetization practices.

You do realize I never said microtransaction in my original comment, right? I said wheel spins and DLC. Keep going though.

[timotim]

"You're telling me my own feelings are wrong?"

Not necessarily going to tell you that (although, yes, it is)...however, your claims that FH4 was designed around MTs, based off your feelings, is what I'm going to call wrong all day long. Let me give you a little example...if I came out and said according to me, that I feel PS4 is not this generations most popular console and that it wasn't a success at all - you would have metrics used that could dispute my feelings, correct? So you understand the concept then...your feelings are your own yes, but the second you use those feelings to make a claim or accusation then the facts must be presented to dispute that claim. The reasons you gave for it seeming like FH4 was suppose to have MTs and loot crates in it comes down solely to to the wheelspins for you. Since thats the case, you are in fact wrong because the difference between MTs/loot crates and unlockables is that one doesn't unlock MTs...they pay for them using real world currency haha. The Wheelspins in FH2/FH3/FH4 are unlockables ONLY and they never cost you real money. MTs often live OUTSIDE of the basic player progression system and is there for those that wish to speed player progression for a fee...NO SUCH SYSTEM IS IN FH4! Wheelspins are apart of the game's NATURAL player progression...you might not like the games natural prayer progression, but those are the facts. I mean...if I just randomly walk down the street and shoot another random person...when they lock me up, I could question how it was a crime when I honestly felt the random person needed to die...but it still wouldn't make my feelings correct.

[sinspirit]

@Timotim

Obviously, in reality it doesn't have MT's. They're free. But, using common sense, wheelspins and prizes is something predominantly done by games that have methods to pay for these bonuses to speed up your progress. That is factual. These games normally give you a taste of these practices with a couple freebies, but with the option to pay for extra.

But, you can be technical all day and provide nothing to free discussion. I told you this system has similarities to MT games because of the way it's built. Not because it costs anything. I said they are similar. Not the same. Similar means sharing specific properties. You understand yet or are you too deep in a hole here to admit getting ahead? You're just refusing to have flexible thinking cause you don't want to admit the possibility of being wrong or jumping the gun on the conversation. Even a child can see the similarities of a wheelspin to a lootbox. They *could* update it in a day to make it MT heavy cause the MT skeleton is already there. I simply pointed out that their investors and suits stated that they are pushing in-game monetization and DLC, and that a system like Horizons is a perfect one to implement it in. This focus can *potentially* alter future game developments with systems like this where adding MT focus is basically a flip of a switch. But, you only do critical thinking when it's beneficial to your own argument. You pretend that level of thinking is irrelevant otherwise. This is blatant disrespect to the other party and you're fueling an ego of "No, I'm right" in endless replies that lead to nowhere. If you're going to keep responding to someone then you should listen. If not, then don't reply like we're in elementary school. You sure ramble on about positive this and that to make things bigger than they are, but pretend critical thinking the potential negative impacts is a ridiculous notion. You need to keep in mind that the negativity is what has made MS provide positive changes following their missteps. Anti-trolling by constantly praising everything is how you create complacency in yourself and the brand.

[timotim]

Sorry for the delay🙂

"But, using common sense, wheelspins and prizes is something predominantly done by games that have methods to pay for these bonuses to speed up your progress."

Unlockables have been in games since the 16bit era haha and is very common. This specific mechanic of the wheelspin is there in context because the game takes place at a music FESTIVAL EVENT 😆 There's rides, rollercosters, music and people generally enjoying themselves in the backdrop. The wheelspins play to that backdrop of being at the festival. Not there due to MTs or wanting to do MTs. Sorry, youre wrong yet again!

"The whole game feels like it's designed around a microtransaction system that didn't get put in...Horizon 4 was so clearly designed around this system."

Understand that you made a claim. This claim is wrong by the reasons Ive already expressed to you. You've since then tried to finesse your stance and add as much as you can to the conversation to dilute it, but the above quote is the reason why we are having this conversation. Instead of simply admitting that you were wrong, you keep it going out of stubbornness. ANY game could have MTs in it...even more can and do have DLC (Spiderman comes to mind)...but to claim that a game was suppose to have MTs in it, but they just held it back due to controversy is another thing entirely. Bottom line...the game was never designed that way...it was always designed around an unlockable system...cars, gear, events etc.

[sinspirit]

@Timotim

"Unlockables have been in games since the 16bit era haha and is very common. "

See. There you go. "Unlockables". You're misleading on purpose. Wheelspins are not traditional unlockable methods. Past games were predominantly unlocked through specific acts(Like Halo Legendary, specific quests, missions, etc) or spending in-game earned currency. Wheel spins are not a traditional unlockable system. Why are you so desperate to mislead the conversation to make a fake "win"? Mate, if you truly think you have created a solid argument then don't add little misleading things like this statement. Literally, MT heavy mobile games have wheelspins. It's a popular system. You are refusing to accept the similarity in design.

"This specific mechanic of the wheelspin is there in context because the game takes place at a music FESTIVAL EVENT 😆"

Oh boy. It doesn't matter what the theme is. What matters is how the system functions. You refuse to directly address the similar design of the wheelspin to MT methods in other games. The design of how it works, not whether it takes money or not. Keep prancing around. I'm pointing out how this system is perfect for being directly monetized in the future.

"but to claim that a game was suppose to have MTs in it, but they just held it back due to controversy is another thing entirely."

Okay, here's whats really funny. I claimed something as a feeling, an opinion. And, I support that thought by saying that it is reminiscent of MT systems. And, MS who previously released prize crates and had MT's in Forza games suddenly stopped MT's altogether during the major controversial period which the last Forza and Forza Horizon game came out. They used to launch MT(Token system) after launch in Forza, and reviewers were pissed they did this because they mentioned no MT in their reviews. They used to say that the Token system was very successful. So, why would you suddenly stop the Token system during the games launch period, which had so much MT controversy? If you were actually analyzing and not just a copy/paste praiser of the box then you'd connect the dots. MS is going to push in-game monetization. It's where their service is going to make back a lot of money now that they've got so many subscribers. One way or another, Forza is going to get MT's again. It would be surprising if it didn't.

Now, you're sitting here, several times mind you, telling me that a wheel spin is nothing like a MT system. You do know that a wheel spin is the same exact thing as a loot box? Only, they have a fancy wheel in front of you moving around. It's just an exciting way to get a loot box, and thankfully it's free. It's pixels. The math is the same. The franchise is not immune to getting MT in the future and has a perfect system in place for it. You want to ignore the negative possibilities? Then ignore my comment and don't try to save face by weaseling in something clever.

[timotim]

What is a "traditional" unlockable method??? Such things dont exist. You either have unlockables in your game or you have MTs or loot crates. Is the way you traditionally go about acquiring the unlockable through natural progression in the games design, or are you buying them with real world money outside of that natural progression??? Thats the only thing that matters and will determine if its unlockables or MTs...everything else your implying is just more of your feelings. The wheelspin aspect of the Horizon games has NEVER had anything to do with MTs...EVER. The fact that youre basing your whole theory off this aspect is laughable. You win extra things, thus its similar to MTs or loot crates...again, one of the silliest things Ive ever read here haha. You unlocked cars in GT2...does that mean it too was similar to a MT system? At the end of the day, what you feel is not important...what IS fact is important...and you were simply wrong on this one.

[sinspirit]

@Timotim

I've never seen someone so desperate to cling to "it's black or it's white" in order to not admit being wrong.

Wheelspin/loot box systems are not traditional unlockables. I just explained a couple examples.

You ignore addressing things directly. Is a wheelspin built exactly like loot boxes? Yes. Explain to me how it isnt. It's the same exact math and intrusiveness as the other, but presented in a different way. Now how easy are loot boxes adopted into MT models? Extremely easy. Is the only difference between Horizons wheelspin and MT's money? Obviously. You need money for it to be a MT, but every other mechanic is there. That's the point. Their future with GP is focused on in-game monetization. You play excited for their future in gleefull comments but pretend like you can't understand it right here when a negative possibility is likely.

Pretty sure GT didn't give gratuitous focus on being awarded cars and various awards. In GT you mostly have to earn your next big car. You know I specified these things in my comment right? You're trying to act smart and say any ingame spending is now reminiscent of MT's in effort to counter me. Like I said. Those are traditional progression methods. Stop trying to find a rope out.

With the future of AAA games and GP being focused on in-game monetization, we will see MT's coming back to Forza. You refuse to acknowledge that they made great money with Tokens but removed them during the MT controversy. You just point out that right now they don't have them. What I don't want to see is them increasing their level of MT to affect wheelspins. Because that system is a perfect one to adopt it. The mechanics are all there. You know I can tell you're beating around the bush, right? Directly respond. Is a wheelspin system the same skeleton as a loot box? You know that part of the reason people don't like MTs isn't just the cost. It's the intrusiveness, the game design affected by it, the difference in game progression. Not just content you can't acquire for free. You generalized it as an unlockable. We're not stupid. Not every car is the same cause it drives. Not every unlockable is the same. It's unlocked in different ways. You're playing PR again. Generalizing where you can to ignore negativity. Stop with the games. You don't try to argue with someone by refusing to listen to them. Ignoring statements and generalizing doesn't make a case. You have PR. Not an argument.

[timotim]

"I've never seen someone so desperate to cling to "it's black or it's white" in order to not admit being wrong."

I couldn't have said it any better myself.

You are trying everything you can to make the conversation about anything but what its about...you claiming that FH4's wheelspins was built with MTs in mind, yet they just withheld them due to controversy. You have never given any evidence to combat that theory...the only thing you've offered up is that the wheelspin is similar to a loot crate. Yet through THREE Horizon games, we have ZERO MTs involved with wheelspins. They exist because it matches the theme of the game. If they were going to turn them into a MT system, they would have done so already...it has never existed because it was never intended to make them into a MT system. Your controversy theory doesn't hold up because even if they held back on it due to loot crates, it would have at least been in FH2...before this supposed controversy started...yet it was present there either haha. You are nothing more than a fanboy trying his best to talk 💩 on a game that won many racer of the year awards, is rated a 91 and has more content in it than any other racer in history.

"Pretty sure GT didn't give gratuitous focus on being awarded cars and various awards."

According to whom? YOU??? This is nothing more than your feelings again. Moving of the goalpost. So now it must be gratuitous focus in order for it to count as a MT-like system? How convenient. We keep going off your own feelings for these things. I dont agree with your feelings though...where does that leave us now? ANY focus (which GT2 certainly displayed) on winning something that you didnt earn yourself could be looked at as the same way according to your own logic. So if I thought GT2's system was "gratuitously focused" on these extra winnings, would I then be right according to you? More silly logic based off feelings and not fact.

LOL...XGP is focused on in-game monetization now??? Ori 2 has MTs??? How bout Bleeding Edge? How bout Gears Tactics? How bout FH4? More feelings of yours without evidence right. And where's your evidence that FM6 brought in a lot of money to begin with their tokens? It was so much money in fact that they opted NOT to bring it back for FM7 lol. More feelings right. Nothing but wishful thinking on your part. And the next time you want to bring up MTs...how bout you actually resort to games that actually have them like Uncharted and Last of Us...

[sinspirit]

@Timotim

"LOL...XGP is focused on in-game monetization now???"

Did you even read the article?

"Xbox Game Pass has more than 10 million subscribers and we’re seeing increased monetization of in-game content and services".

They've been paying attention to monetization of games through the service. I didn't say it's affected games right now. How many times do I have to say "future".

For this conversation to go anywhere. You need to calm down and reread things I've said. Because, you dont respond clearly.

"So now it must be gratuitous focus in order for it to count as a MT-like syste".

Modern MTs provide gratuitous outcomes and faster game progression. I've stated this several times. It's kind of the point of spending the money. If you're going to cower behind excuses like "oh, thats just *you* saying that" rather than look at MT based games and their systems, you have to realize that its just *you* telling me otherwise. You can't tell me what I'm saying doesn't matter and keep talking like you matter. You're just making excuses for not directly responding to specific examples. You just want to throw generalizations out there to convolute the point. You really think GT2 has the same progression through winnings than Horizon? Do you? Yes or no. Objectivity exists. Or do you not believe in objectivity? Are you able to compare two different things and draw conclusions properly? I can see you don't have fair interest in the whole gaming market. You just push a positive narrative for one party. You really want to talk about whos word is worth something when you're on here like your job is in PR?

"You are nothing more than a fanboy trying his best to talk 💩 on a game that won many racer of the year awards, is rated a 91 and has more content in it than any other racer in history"

Yet, here you are, the overly positive one sided interest that just can't bare to critically think of a negative outcomes to their brand. And, every time someone criticizes your preference, you go all PR on them and post keywords and positive things. What does those awards or metacritic scores have to do here? Nothing. This is about GP, how it could affect games, and from the horses mouth they are focused on in-game monetization. It's pretty clear that *future* talk is speculation.

"Xbox content and services revenue up 2%". Do you know the difference with revenue and profit? You're telling me, that they gained an extreme amount of users for this service and the revenue increase is that small? So, business expanded so much, but *revenue* in services is nearly unchanged. We have the same cash flow coming in, but more expenditures like first party and third party games for the service, which means that while pulling in the same money, they're spending more. It's a business, not a charity. Come next gen when they've got way more releases to add more spending, what do you think will happen? What thoughts do you personally have, rather than what words from MS do you want to repeat?

https://www.tweaktown.com/n...

Prize crates(Not MT based) were removed because they felt out of place. Basically, how I feel about wheelspins. Ah, I'm not allowed to talk about what *I* think on a public comments section according to you. Explain why else the tokens were removed. It was already implemented in the system. Why else would they remove them from the game? It's an "option", remember?

[KingKionic]

Dat xbox game pass steez though.

That is 50 million a month and 600 million a year off of that.

Its a great service.

Deliver Us The Moon and Gears Tactics FIRE!

[Ricegum]

That's not profit though so in reality your numbers are way off. What about the money MS pay to have 3rd Party games on the service? Also, I use PC Gamepass which is only £3.99 a month.

10 million is a fantastic number don't get me wrong but in reality we don't my know how much profit MS is making off Gamepass, if any.

[SPEAKxTHExTRUTH]

Why would we care how much MS makes? We are consumers not stock holders. Game pass is an excellent for consumers.

[chiefJohn117]

That's for them to worry about why TF would we care how much they making?

[FanboyPolice]

Doesn’t matter. Gamepass is awesome.

[King_Noctis]

If MS doesn’t make any money on Gamepass, they would have canned the service a long time ago. They are a company, not a charity organization. And I don’t think MS has to pay much for third party games on Gamepass, because those games aren’t there forever so its not like MS had to buy those games outright or anything.

And like other people have said, why do you care much about their profit?

[LOGICWINS]

Irrelevant. They wouldn’t be doing it if it wasn’t financially viable for them.

[TK-66]

So let's get this straight. The company you claim to only think about profits is now, according to your logic, giving everyone a great service that they're making no profit from....

You're so desperate it's not even funny.

[gravedigger]

@SpeakxTHExTruth

"Why would we care how much MS makes? We are consumers not stock holders. Game pass is an excellent for consumers. "

Post above from Kionic

"Dat xbox game pass steez though.

That is 50 million a month and 600 million a year off of that.

Well, Xbox fans care.

EDIT : btw. looks like gaming revenue DECLINED 1% , well, it's flat. But content increased for 2%

https://www.gamesindustry.b...

https://twinfinite.net/2020...

"While we wait for the new Xbox Series X console to launch later this year, overall gaming revenue has decreased 21 percent for the recent quarter. Microsoft notes that Xbox content and services revenue also decreased by 11 percent, primarily due to a “third-party title” (likely Fortnite or Red Dead Redemption 2) performing better last year. Subscription growth has partially offset this decrease, but clearly the third-party game boosted Xbox content revenue last year.

Microsoft’s CFO Amy Hood also revealed gaming revenue will decline next quarter in the “low double digit range” due to console sales and “lower transaction volume on a third-party title.”

[galmi]

well profit did make possible the creation of gears tactics

[AngelicIceDiamond]

MS as a software, service and OS engineers make money through multiple revenue sources. It's not just one thing that makes MS money. Some things don't seem outright profitable by itself. MS isn't losing anything from gamepass because of other services that make them money in conjuction. Hardware, Live (standalone) or Ultimate (live and Gamepass combo) Cloud Azure service etc.

[P_Bomb]

“... We saw all-time record engagement this quarter with nearly 90 million active users of Xbox Live led by the strength on and off consoles.”

Off console? So these numbers include PC etc. I’m signed into XBL 24/7 on my phone, but I only use it to check on my friends’ games and cheevos. Am I considered an active user?

I’m also signed into Xbox Live on my PS4 (mandatory for Minecraft Bedrock). Can’t pop Bedrock trophies on my PS4 without XBL. That’s a bit of a grey area if they’re counting Playstation/Switch/PC users mandatory sign ins to the most popular game in the world. Minecraft *is* namedropped in the article.

“ 10 million is a fantastic number don't get me wrong...”

One would think. But I’ve seen peeps here scoff at games that “only” sold 10 million on the grounds of their 100 million install base. What’s the Xbox/PC/tablet install base for this 10 mil’? Why would someone laugh at the Yakuza series selling 10 million only to turn around and praise a subscription of 10 million, that only just got Yakuza?

[SyntheticForm]

This is probably the most objective comment I've seen you utter.

[alb1899]

It it's just the introduction price. MS will make money, don't worry about that and it seems that we will keep been happy with the service.

[KillBill]

Microsoft receives revenue from 3rd party purchases including DLC, in game purchase, and direct game sales. Developers that are bringing their already released games onto Game Pass are showing on average a 6x sales increase and are most definitely earning more than they could by not being on game Pass.

Subscriptions by far are not the money maker in this marketing plan. Subscribers equates to users and users equates to purchase prospective. And both Microsoft and Developers are making money off of this marketing plan. There is a reason why you are also seeing 3rd party developers appearing on GamePass Day 1... because it is profitable.

And Phil Spencer has came out to say the service "it’s more than doubled in size, year over year." https://www.vgchartz.com/ar...

[Imortus_san]

They sure are making more profit then Sony that took 4 years to get 1 million out of PS Now.

[caddytrek]

SPEAKxTHExTRUTH chiefJohn117 gniosdb

Wait you guys say who cares about the money to defend a comment that is 100% about the money?

King_Noctis LOGICWINS TK-66

They are subsidizing the service to gain a foot hold on next gen.

galmi

Say's who? I'm pretty sure Microsoft can spend windows money how ever they want.

Imortus_san

Sony had the most profitable service for years so that is extremely unlikely to be true.

And revenue isn't the same thing as profit.

[leejohnson222]

People can't tell the difference between revenue and profit

[343_Guilty_Spark]

Well if you are a stockholder Microsoft is an excellent buy...very bullish. Strong everywhere iincluding gaming.

[DJStotty]

@Ricegum

3rd party games get royalties per download, not just for having the game on the service.

And you must be silly to think Microsoft are not profiting from this.

[GTgamer]

@Kingnoctis
"
If MS doesn’t make any money on Gamepass, they would have canned the service a long time ago."

That's not how business works hell if that's the case Disney would scrap Disney+(50mil subscribers) because that doesn't make them money atm. You gotta understand streaming services are all about the long run which is why Netflix(182 million subscribers) is the king even tho they are in tremendous debt. Why do you think MS has so many deals on gamepass because they want a large user base even if they take a loss because it will be profitable in the future( analysts say streaming services take 5 years to actually make a profit).

[King_Noctis]

So what you are saying is MS doesn’t make any profit from Gamepass?

[TK-66]

If you're going to try and draw an analogy you need to make it accurate. While XGP was dubbed the 'Netflix of games' it was largely as a method of communication to explain what it was. However, it is not at all valuable once you begin going into the intricacies of the service.

We have next to no idea what MS pays devs and publishers for their games to appear on the service, which means that anyone claiming this service is unprofitable has zero evidence backing their claim.

[KillBill]

"We feel good in the business that we’re running now. We’re definitely investing in it, but not investing in a way that’s unsustainable. We’ll do promotional deals and stuff — any service will, but it’s a business and it’s a business that does well." - note he doesn't specify that it 'will do well in a future sense' he is talking in the now.

https://www.vgchartz.com/ar...

[GTgamer]

@killbill
Netflix is also a sustainable business and yet their are in tremendous debt 🤔 let's put it like this MS has 65 million gold subscribers and they started offering free games in 2013 so they were getting paid just to allow you to play online, so you mean to tell me gamepass has 10 million subscribers only and Microsoft has to pay to aquire games(not bs games I definitely tip my hat to them on that) for the service which can be acquired for $1 at times and I know getting the rights to those games can't be cheap. So if gamepass manages to make a profit trust and believe it ain't much especially compared to what they make on Xbox live by itself.

[DJStotty]

@GTgamer

"You gotta understand streaming services are all about the long run"

Gamepass is not a streaming service, just sayin.

[shuvam09]

Even Epic makes more than that yearly figure in a month from a free game...
I tend to drop off my sub every 3 months for 3 month...
Also 85 mil. of those Xbox live subs are Minecraft users...

[DJStotty]

Started playing deliver us the moon last night, enjoying it so far.

[leejohnson222]

I can't catch my breath, hope you get at least a reach around from Phil for that Corp volunteer work

[Bnet343]

Lol years later and they still trying to keep my boy Kionic down up in here XD. Youre 100% bro. It's a great service. The games got better. In the beginning it was really meh, but I changed my mind about it when I saw DMC5 get thrown in there after being released like 6 months after.

[ReadyPlayer22]

3 months of Game Pass Ultimate will probably come bundled with every Series X console. It'll be stupid not to do it. Plus, it turns every console into a special edition of sorts since every big Xbox exclusive comes day 1.

[Profchaos]

I'd say new console sales are where they're see new live subscription growth people buying consoles want to play them online these days.

[DJStotty]

May do, but if you are already a subscriber, you can not use it.

Just like when you buy a game and it has a 1 month gold trial inside, you can not bolt that on to your gold subscription.

[FallenAngel1984]

Wow we’re getting MAU numbers again

[TK-66]

Is that a legit criticism for a subscription service?

[chiefJohn117]

Uhhhhh....yeah! Lol

[FallenAngel1984]

@ TK

It’s not criticism I’m saying that after long periods of Microsoft not disclosing the number it’s great we are receiving them again

[TK-66]

Aaaah, forgive me for misunderstanding.

[Vasto]

This is awesome. Now just bring on Series X and show us what these 1st parties have been working on.

[RosweeSon]

2022

[AngelicIceDiamond]

This fall.

[NeoGamer232]

2022 what?

MS First Party publishing this year (Announced or shipped):
- Ori and the Wisp of the Willows - Metacritic 90
- Bleeding Edge - Metacritic 67
- Gears Tactics - Metacritic 81
- Wasteland 3
- Minecraft Dungeons
- Halo Inifinite
- Grounded (Preview)

A nice, diverse lineup that goes throughout the year.

Ya, I know the argument.... Not interested in any of those games. Halo FPS is overdone yet it only had one new FPS game in the past 7 years. I won't say anything about Ori because there is nothing bad but it is the only worthwhile game but Sony has way more this year, just wait and see. Bleeding Edge, let's focus on that because that is a low Metacritic score and every Sony game is perfect even if it gets a low Metacritic score. Gears Tactics... Nobody likes strategy games like this we will ignore that it is a diversity game. Wasteland 3 won't be any good, the first 2 sucked as far as I am concerned. Minecraft Dungeons is multi-platform so it doesn't count that MS is publishing it. And Grounded. looks like crap. Did I miss anything?

But let's talk Sony first party announced or shipped 2020....

Dreams - Metacritic 89
Nioh 2 - Metacritic 86
Predator Hunting Grounds - Metacritic 57
Ghosts of Tsushima
The Last of US Part II

Ya I know the argument.... Dreams just blows the minds of people's creativity. This is the thing about Sony their games are so diverse. Nioh 2, is an amazing game. Way better then Ori even though it scored lower. Predator Hunting Grounds, I don't know what reviewers were thinking it is actually a 90+ game. They just don't understand. Ghosts of Tsushima and TLOU2... Let's just give them 95+ right now and not even bother talking anymore. And just wait til you here the launch lineup for PS5... At least 10 games will be 90+.

The nice thing about me, is I get to call spades, spades... Because I have all the consoles and have or will buy most of these games.

- Ori and the Wisp of the Willows - Amazing game
- Bleeding Edge - Not my cup of tea and judging from reviews not other either - Glad I saw it via GamePass won't buy
- Gears Tactics - Played for three hours today and enjoyed as much as XCOM
- Wasteland 3 - Can't wait to play I loved the first two
- Minecraft Dungeons - Looks like a lot of fun I love Diablo and this is Diablo Minecraft style
- Halo Inifinite - I love Halo a lot. I expect it will be solid at the very least
- Grounded (Preview) - This looks like a lot of fun
- Dreams - Not my cup of tea, but it was really well done based on the 20+ hours I put into it
- Nioh 2 - Nice solid entry to the franchise but not as good as the first
- Predator Hunting Grounds - Ouch... Not sure I will buy this one after seeing reviews
- Ghosts of Tsushima - Sucker Punch is good, I am hoping this will be great too
- The Last of US Part II - Of course it will be great. 4 years since their last game and we know they ship quality

[RosweeSon]

Excessive and unnecessary but look if your happy with it great I decided end of last gen I don’t need 3 consoles home ones anyway all doing the same thing. Ori looks alright the little I’ve seen of it the rest of that lil Xbox list of yours is just pretty average sorry that’s my opinion. Bleeding edge second on your list 67?! On metacritic, actually googled it as thought was a typo no 67 😑 stuff under 7/10 unless I’m big fan of the source/license or whatever I ain’t got time for that 8-9-10/10 is what I play. The Xbox line has been dire the majority of the gen waiting months/couple of years for things like crackdown3 and it was bang average not rushing out day1 to wait for great games to arrive happy to wait it out and dive in later on the cheap and get the good games once they finally start arriving Sony had a quiet start to the year they can afford to the back catalogue from this gen alone is ridiculous and Nintendo also smashing out the park I own all consoles al manufacturers I even had an xbox1 I’m no fan boy here I still have an xbox360 it’s just boxed and I will not buy into and support crap. Never have never will the quality isn’t there let alone quantity. Saying predator is a 90 when it’s clearly not just shows how unbiased of majority are saying it’s 5-6/10 hence the 57 I’d be included to say 7 at an absolute best maybe 8 if your a big fan to say 9 is saying it’s on par with some of the greatest games ever made 😑😑🤦
27995;‍♂️🤣 I know all about quality I know what’s coming on all the platforms even ones I don’t currently own except pc as I’m a console gamer but first and foremost a gamer consoles sold on subscriptions and services don’t do it for me when the first part of the title is lacking GAMES console.

[Gamehard]

@Neo

You conveniently left off FF7 remake and Persona 5 Royal btw. But yeah everyone has their own opinions about each game, that's why there's so many so everyone can play something they like. No need to throw preemptive salt at one side or another just for the sake of it.

[NeoGamer232]

@Gamehard
Neither Persona 5 or FF Vii Remake are published by Sony.

[Porshapwr]

Positive news and some truly impressive growth.

Though I'm wondering why the same earnings report was used to create two separate articles on here, one negative and one positive, and both from Twinfinite? Ummmm......

[TK-66]

it's almost as if the website has more person writing pieces, isn't it?

[EasilyTheBest]

Awesome news having that many subscribers, they are obviously making money and good to know Gamepass is here to stay.
I've recently sold my Xbox One X so I could get some tidy money for it before the Xbox Series X comes out. I'll be buying a Series X day one & my main reason is Gamepass it's amazing...
The subscribers are going to be huge over the next couple of years..

[chiefJohn117]

Wow go head congrats Xbox. Keep up the good work.

[sleepyhead]

Why do people act like that the subscription fee is the only source of revenue? They also sell full priced games, gears 5 sold more than gears 4. Gears tactics is still holding the top selling position on steam despite having an AAA price tag.

In the end, the benefit of gamepass comes down to the amount MS is gaining from it minus the amount they are losing from individual game sales. From that perspective, I think gameapass is doing nicely with those numbers.

[RosweeSon]

So not even 1 in 4 have game pass 😑🤷🏻‍♂️ 😂 based on 40 million ish consoles sold. Can argue it’s nearer 50 million if you want just means only 1 in 5 have it which is pretty poor if it’s that good a service and it seems to be then those numbers are poor. If they were actually releasing games big AAA exclusives then the whole we put our games up day1 would be a massive selling point over reliant on 3rd party tho.

[King_Noctis]

Not everyone are interested in subscription service, as some people would actually want to own their games. If what you are saying is true, then service like PS Now have been a failure as there are only a couple millions of subscribers, and the PS4 has sold more than 100 millions unit.

“ If they were actually releasing games big AAA exclusives”

So now we’re back to “MS haz no gaems”? What happened to Gears Tactics which has just literally released 2 days ago? What happen to upcoming “AAA” games like MS Flight Simulator, Halo Infinite, AOE 4, and Hellblade 2?

[RosweeSon]

Gears tactics meh. 1 game for the year the rest are waaaaay off. Agreed on ps now it could be much better and you can bet your bottom dollar by next generation it will be ;) also agreed most don’t want subscriptions I don’t that’s why I left Microsoft thats all they offer these days with very minimal content from themselves. I get ps+ as it’s a necessity to play online ala Xbox live I bought mine when before prices went up. The service pays for itself with the free games (this month excluded as they pretty awful) I also recently got ps now on the cheap £33.85 for the year. Got control to play started f1 2019 so that’s £20 saved control worth £20+ subscriptions paid for the year. Ps+ attach rate is nearer 1 in 3
Ps now lagging behind but then so is the service that won’t continue into next gen.
Xbox always has a poor attach rate I’d say the worst In the business. Nintendo are unbeaten when it comes to attach rates. Sure their online service is behind Barely just launched the games attach rates are phenomenal tho.

[sleepyhead]

@RosweeSon "Gears tactics is meh because I think so"
"PS will also catch up because... I think so"
"Rest of the games are way off because I have that crystal ball"

Nice arguments there mate.

[NeoGamer232]

So, what would a successful number be?

25% of console owners buying anything on a console is huge.

How many games get 25% of console owners to buy them? PSVR has less then 10%, Kinect was considered successful and it reach only 25%, I don't know what you are smoking but 25% attach rate on a service for a console is large. The closest subscription services to GamePass is PSNow. In October 2019 PSNow announced 1 million subscribers.

[RosweeSon]

Ask Nintendo literally everything they release has an attach rate of 25% barely sold 50 million switches I’ll let you google the Mario kart sales ( a port at that) and the attach rate is near 50% Pokemon BOTW. I’ll let you look into their previous generations. It’s pretty good start I’ll give them that for a service that doesn’t have much launched by the owners not bad at all maybe next gen when they smashing out some games (if they get round to it) would be worth a look. Currently the games are pretty old 3rd party that I can get elsewhere and already bought if they were any good 🤷🏻‍♂️😜 ✌🏻

[Z501]

I noticed in your previous comment. You put NioH 2 (3rd party exclusive) 86 meta. Did you leave Grandblue Fantasy Vs, etc off for a reason?

[RamRod88]

Anything to downplay huh? So I guess Spider-man selling 8.7 million and Uncharted selling 10 million is piss poor sales compared to the number of ps4 sold?

[RosweeSon]

Yeah not massive but when you have a big old fan base like that 100 million consoles sold and masses of top quality exclusives people can’t buy them all. Not to mention Spider-Man very short to the point you could borrow it off a friend and smash it in a weekend most wont pay for that too short. All I’m saying is if Xbox gamepass is such a great service as it’s claimed to be then why don’t the majority use it 🤷🏻‍♂️ Lack of content. Majority just want fifa and cod that’s the way it’s always been quality games generally don’t sell millions. I can find you many many a 10/10 9/10 game with piss poor sales it is what it is I’ll still play them. I don’t buy something because 100 million others did I bought my PS4 day1 and I buy the games I want to play regardless of reviews (opinions) if I like the look of it and know it’s from a dev that hasn’t shafted on a regular basis I’m in.

Might wanna check your sales figures also as uncharted 4 alone sold 16 million. Piss poor ey 🤷🏻‍♂️😂

[Italiano1234567]

Sold way more then that chief

[RamRod88]

I'm not even trying to downplay the sales of either games because both sold great. I'm just using your own dumb logic to show you how wrong you are.
"Gears tactics meh. 1 game for the year the rest are waaaaay off."
Wow you really need to stop talking. XGS has released 4 games already this year. Wastland 2 remastered, Ori 2, Bleeding Edge, and Gears Tactics. Minecraft Dungeons, Tell Me Why, Psychonauts 2, MS Flight Sim, Grounded preview, Wasteland 3, battletoads, Halo Infinite are all confirmed this year with more to come. All these games are releasing day 1 on Gamepass with a nice spread out schedule. You really need to get your facts straight before you say something. I know not every game releasing is for everyone, but almost all these games will be high quality and the diversity of games is a positive in my book. Not everything needs to be a 3rd person action adventure game.

[RosweeSon]

Why do people keep bringing up bleeding edge likes it’s something to shout about it’s got 67!! On metacritic you might as well tell me crackdown 3 was 🔥 😑 if that’s what they releasing keep it 🤓✌🏻

[Z501]

You realize, that is what people literally say. It was just said about FF7R's 3 mil in 3 days. They're dumb too.

[RamRod88]

I simply mentioned bleeding edge as one of the games day 1 on gamepass. I never said anything about the quality of the game. Out of everything I mentioned, that is what you were most focused on?

[King_Noctis]

“ Gears tactics meh. 1 game for the year the rest are waaaaay off.”

The rest of the year? Are you a time traveler that just came back from the end of 2020, and know the entire release catalogue of MS for the rest of 2020?

[xXxSeTTriPxXx]

Think he going off past experience.

[King_Noctis]

@xXx

Even if MS themselves had already announced that games like Flight Simulator, Halo Infinite, and Grounded are coming this year?

[RosweeSon]

Gears tactics isn’t my type of game and I won’t be alone in that in fact ill be in the majority and it’s not gonna shift consoles 81 metacritic 🤷🏻‍♂️ Not Terrible but 🤷🏻‍♂️
Flight sim looks dull as dish water if I wanted to fly round in planes there’s ace combat, I don’t but 🤷🏻‍♂️
Halo and forza ain’t gonna save Xbox from another poor launch and yes the comment below has got it spot on “think he going on last experience” damn right Going on the fact Xbox barely knocked out one top notch game a year and they’ve already said hang fire if you think games are all this year as next gen exclusives are 12-18 months away still, sowing the seeds for a dire launch that is trying to go cross gen so they don’t lose the few/minority of customers they have left. I’ll go on what history has told us and facts few educated guesses I’ve seen enough launches and played enough games to know good games and great console launches when I see them. I’ll give Xbox another year or 2 before I’m interested. 9 years with x360 4 months with an S. Says it all really.
Think halo and forza been used enough this and last gen forza had a release every single year. Wonder why I’m not overly excited about another new Forza 😑💤😂 if a games that’s good doesn’t need sequels every 12 months and sure they did a horizon as well, they couldn’t have done a new racing game or got project Gotham back up and running nah do another forza.

[chiefJohn117]

It's a new service, it'll only grow and 1 to 5 is actually a good rate for a service under 2 years old. Xbox has higher attach rates than PS so your comment is disingenuous. PS exclusives rarely sell more than 10% of the install base and 15% max so using you logic that's piss poor and worse than GP. Your comments are a joke but let's be real you just trying downplay nothing more lol

[RosweeSon]

Sony rarely do it Microsoft never do it. Find me some Xbox games that sold 10 million this generation. Halo guardians is top seller and it’s sold only 5 million. I mean technically that’s a 10% attach rate being as they only barely sold 50 million consoles 🤷🏻‍♂️😂

[chiefJohn117]

Halo sold over 8 million in its first year alone you might wanna recheck your numbers lol. Down play indeed., Why so salty?

[Imortus_san]

Sony as 100 million PS4 sales plus the PC market for PS Now, and they only have 1 million Subs!

I guess MS service must be over the top if they only have 40 million Xbox One and no games, and yet manage 10 million active subs.

[RosweeSon]

Fans will lap up anything 🤷🏻‍♂️ Clearly. I don’t care if other people are subscribed I don’t care for numbers i care for what it actually offers and the quality of the content I don’t pay for any old rubbish.

[Donnie81]

Fantastic! It’s a great service that just keeps getting better. Cannot wait to play Halo Infinite on my series x via gamepass. Xbox hype!!!!

[ocelot07]

Hard to say anything bad about gamepass I just got another £1 a month deal today thats my 7 month I have had for a £1.

[--bienio--]

Can I ask how you did that?

[ocelot07]

So it started off as a £1 deal so I took it and turned off auto renew a few days before it was set to expire I had another £1 for 1 month offer so I did the same thing and kept doing this for about 4 months.

Then the £1 offer stopped appearing so paid the full £4 for next 2 months then I got another offer to try ultimate for £1 month so I took it let it expire and a few days later was offered another £1 deal.

[generic-user-name]

Which explains the high take up.

[EasilyTheBest]

10 Million Subscriptions to Gamepass already must be pretty scary for Sony.
If Microsoft is having that amount of extra revenue could there be a chance that they will take a bigger hit on the Xbox Series X & sell it much cheaper than anyone is expecting?
That means way more ppl will be buying & way more ppl will be hopefully on Gamepass. Microsoft must know that a great price on Xbox Series X from day one will certainly hurt Ps4 sales & also kick into Google Stadia & what ever Amazon is planning. It could be the perfect time to shock everyone with the price.
I also think Microsoft would be buying way more chip sets from AMD & could mean they get a way better price for them. Microsoft is buying chipsets for Xbox One X plus millions for their Azure Servers..
The 15+ studios with hopefully a ton of great games, it's going to be really interesting.
It's like watch a slow game of chess. Exciting times..

[gravedigger]

1 mil. PS Now users for 10$ a month = 10 mil. GPU users for 1$.

Why Sony should be scared?

[King_Noctis]

Is it $1 every month for Gamepass?

[gravedigger]

@king

If you're trying to make another acc every month, it is.

Btw. millions of XBL users merged GP with GOLD and turned that into GPU for next 3 years

[ElementX]

I don't think "millions" extended their subs for 3 years and upgraded. How many people just upgraded their remaining few months without knowing about extending it?

[EasilyTheBest]

Well obviously Sony isn't scared as Sony isn't a person, but 10 Million Subscriptions of Gamepass is yet another revenue stream for Ms & it's only going to go up. Microsoft has the money & infrastructure to be the number one subscription service especially with X cloud coming soon as well

[xXxSeTTriPxXx]

How is a console that sold through over 100mil consoles scared of a console who only sold 40mil in the same time frame?

And that's without a game paas.

[Z501]

Or backwards compatibilty.

[FanboyPolice]

Nobody should be scared of anything. Game pass is good for us, gamers.

[Sophisticated_Chap]

90 Million MAUs is a massive number. Xbox is making the right moves, and it's paying dividends.

[TheHan]

❤️❤️

[timotim]

Fantastic numbers for sure! Game Pass will only keep getting better. Red Dead 2 next month to boot! Imagine what will happen when they open up xCloud and put it on XGP.

[IRetrouk]

Awesome, can only grow, great for me, the wife and kids.

[TheHateTheyGive]

Game pass and xboxone are the best value in gaming, good job microsoft.

[Wulfer]

Remember this from yesterday?

"This isn't the same MS from the last 10 years! Buckle UP, you in for a bumpy ride!!"

Now you know why I posted that.

[Z501]

Value is subjective.
I <- value the games I own. I don't care about the games I rent.

[SoonDeadByOldAge]

Z501: I totalt agree with you. Ownership is a lot more valuable than a rental that’s why I love GPU as it is excellent as a demo service. I have actually bought more games since I got GPU but at better prices as I could wait for a sale and still play the game day one. Let’s not forget the 20% discount you get as a GPU subscriber.
All in all a great service.

[Hyperstrada]

Games are disposable to me, If its a single player game I uninstall it when its completed, So i like the GP.

[Profchaos]

It's a curious situation 90 million active monthly users. But sales indicators show that we haven't seen that many consoles sold...or maybe we have Ms stopped reporting sales years ago they possibly recovered.

Take it also into consideration that potentially a large portion of those subscriptions are households with multiple subscriptions and developing countries and people still playing last gen systems as 360 services are still running on all the popular games you can still find a lobby of rdr 1 players to this day

[RamRod88]

This number comes from Xbox 1, PC, and 360 numbers. The PC number has been the spike of users as of recent. The number will continue to grow especially when Xcloud officially releases.

[Profchaos]

Xbox live numbers shouldn't include PC surely. I play games like gears 5 via the windows store but I'm certainly not using Xbox live or paying to do so

[sinspirit]

It's xbox live users, not necessarilly subscriptions. So, users from any facet

[timotim]

"I play games like gears 5 via the windows store but I'm certainly not using Xbox live or paying to do so"

While you might not be paying to use Xbox Live on PC, you are in fact still using it. You can not play a Microsoft title on PC or any platform without needing to sign into Xbox Live. This is even the case if you get the game from Steam. Microsoft only makes Xbox games...outside of Minecraft games which get made for everything.

[Az1ner]

Outstanding. Time to show what's next papa xbox. Congrats to team xbox.

[Fraggle1987]

Yeah with a massive chunk of those being in the 1 pound deal that keeps coming up. Or even the reduced price deals of 3 pounds a month.

Also dont forget 10 million is a small number for a subscription service. It confirms that microsoft must be losing money hand over fist to keep the service running. They have to pay developers to get the games on the service. Alot of money to offset what the developer would get with a normal release.

Not only that but they lose out on all the money their first party games would make by selling normally.

Its always been a poor business decision.

Also dont forget that the main reason for game pass is to drive new hardware increases due to its value. However that hasnt happened. We know one x hardware sales have hardly moved. So i dont really see the benefit to Microsoft bar hoping that it keeps ppl in the eco system to go over to the series x.

[Dissidia]

You’re talking based off of no concrete fact.

You don’t know what percentage of game pass subscribers got it for $1 or pay $9.99. And even if you did know, who cares. 10 Million Subscribers is a good number for a gaming subscription with no real competition. The last number was 9 million. Growth is good no matter how you try to spin it to be unimpressive. How much money Xbox gains or loses from game pass makes no difference to your life.

[Fraggle1987]

Even if all of those 10 million pay full price the point is its still a very low number both in subcription numbers and revenue generated. Growth isnt good if it hasnt grown to a large enough number to sustain itself.

People need to stop defending microsofts spin.

[FanboyPolice]

Game Pass is great for gamers. I’m confused why would you hate on that

[Dissidia]

No, people need to stop hating for no good reason. Your mouth literally salivating when you see a positive Xbox article and have an opportunity to hate. It’s obvious. You’d down talk Microsoft/Xbox until you’re blue in the face.

You clearly have nothing at all better to do even if there was no pandemic.

[Fraggle1987]

I never said game pass isnt good for xbox gamers. It obviously is. Great value. All i did was point out the facts of it being a bad business decision.

A lot of butthurt xbox fans on here.

[RamRod88]

That $1 deal is only for new users. I'm unable to get that deal anymore, so like me, I'm sure the majority of the subscribers are paying full price for gamepass.

[Profchaos]

Can't count how many times I've taken the $3 deal and $1 Xbox live deal then a $1 ultimate deal and not had to worry about it for months

[waverider]

Hardware sales. Thats the main problem. Gamers arent buying more and year after year it descrease and now it was 20% less then last year... Services dont incresase sales. Thats why game revenue decrease.

[Automatic79]

Congratulations team Xbox. Fantastic keep it up. Xbox GamePass is awesome.

[Knightofelemia]

Considering some of the deals Microsoft does with Xbox Pass no surprise its doing well like one month on sale for a dollar

[waverider]

For me gamepass would be a smart idea if didnt had triple AAA games Day One. There no spin there. Its like the next Avenger, Spiderman or any big blockbuster movie going day one for DVD market... Gamepass will never make the same amount of money that a big blockbuster game does. It doesnt sell consoles, the numbers show that less 20% from last year, that already was very bad. It doesnt give more marketshare. Thats the reality.

[--bienio--]

I can have bet with you it will. Times changed

[waverider]

Sorry, but it wont. No they havent. Games and movies have broken records in sales. And the report from Microsoft show that less 1% gaming revenue is much more then 2%+ of services. Less 20% consoles sold from last year. Its just very, very bad. Services didnt increase the sale of consoles or the sale of games. People arent buying more games, like some were saying. They rent them and its over. Dont buy them after.

[LordJamar]

There are some dedicated game pass hater stans coming out of the wood work lol they just can not and will not give gamepass any credit and refuse to believe it’s making money or helping Microsoft and that every single person is a 1$ sub and no one is paying 15$ a month or doing 3 month to a year passes BRUH lol 😂

[waverider]

Dude, revenues are lower. This is playing with numbers. Less profit, less games sold, less consoles sold, more games, rented that are enough to make profit because it doesnt cost 15 or 20 monthly....

[2ndhandcorn]

I only got the dollar deal once its $15.99 a month for ultimate in Australia, i tried to get that deal again but never can.

[FanboysKiller]

https://m.youtube.com/watch...

[BillyG0AT]

I think they will use dem stacks of game pass money to be able to lower the price of the Series X. Fun times.

[DJStotty]

Phil's doing such a bad job though /s