PlayStation 5 vs Xbox Series X: not better or worse, just different

Mitch of RGN writes, "Throw in that this generation's cooling systems are taking radical redesigns, we will have to wait and see and it is also likely that different games will operate better on different consoles depending how they were utilized by the developer, on a case by case basis. This may end up being a very good thing in the long run as well, giving identity to each console makes developers more excited and helps produce more truly one of a kind experiences for gamers.

One example of this is how Sony is including on-board hardware, an additional processor for Audio Raytracing, which can be reprogrammed and used for any sort of processing by developers if they aren't putting Audio RT in the game. The existence of many custom chips like this on both the XSX and the PS5 are precisely why games will vary greatly on each console, and they'll have their own flavor and style more so than last generation's Jaguar APU setups on XO and PS4."

[oakshin]

It's Complicated but I get it.....can the ps5 run over clocked consistently and not melt will the Xbox split memory and slower ssd lead to wasted performance how many shaders does the ps5 gpu even got (that's the big question because I generally trust the Sony engineers with the cooling but screw tflops I need shader count )

[MecheSlays]

2304 vs 3328 on series x

[oakshin]

Yea I'm actually going to be looking forward to the comparison breakdown of games this gen consoles are so much better with custom tech to me it's interesting

[darthv72]

1k shader difference between the two... what does that translate to in terms of performance?

[ABizzel1]

@darth

You can't really say without a like for like game / product. What it means in basic terms is the Series X has more rendering performance than the PS5, meanwhile the PS5 is likely a bit faster at rending said images.

In a game an example would be the PS5 is faster at displaying the gameworld, but the Series X can display more things on screen with less of an impact on performance because it has more shaders to take on the workload.

But both consoles are going to be fast so the PS5's speed edge gaming wise, shouldn't be a huge deal, we're looking at a few seconds at best in like for like loading, but it should be faster in OS functions, navigating menus, getting in and out of games, and just daily use. These are best case scenarios for PS5 from just pure logic of technology.

Meanwhile, the Series X has more potential for gaming graphics (nothing will ever be night and day difference, but it can do a bit more), likely higher resolutions in more demanding games Native 4K vs 1800p, and higher fps in games with like for like resolutions and graphics settings generally 10% - 20% (aka unlocked 60fps PS5 (55~) and locked 60fps for Series X). And these will generally be one or the other, and extremely rare for all 3 wins in a single game. These are best case scenarios for Series X from just pure logic of technology.

The best comparison we have right now is looking at an RTX 2070s (PS5) vs an RTX 2080s (Sereis X).

[fr0sty]

They aren't "shaders", a shader is an app that runs on a GPU core. They are cores, though not the same type of fully featured cores you'd expect to see in a CPU, which is why they can cram thousands of them in there despite CPUs being generally less than 32 cores.

Core count isn't raw power. Each of those cores runs at a clock speed, and that helps determine what the core is capable of. So, while PS5 has fewer cores, they are running faster, and Cerny said he saw superior results in real world gaming applications when going that route (which means Sony too considered using more cores at one point, but decided against it).

While the cores can't consistently run faster all the time, since they are boost frequencies that rely on system cooling, games are not going to max out your system the entire time either, so it's unlikely that a game would be held back much by the system being too hot. We don't even know the capabilities of the PS5 cooling system yet, either. It may be substantial enough to keep PS5 cool at high clocks for as long as any game would need it to be.

Sony also seems to be stepping back towards exotic hardware designs, with the audio processing unit that can also lend its power to processing other things.

Comparing the two side by side isn't going to be easy. Both have strengths and weaknesses that make it so that there is no clear winner in the "which is more powerful" debate. Some games that come out on XSX could never run on a PS5, and the reverse will also be true with games that take unique advantage of PS5's transfer rates, more unified memory, and tempest engine.

[dcbronco]

@frosty

I'm not sure the transfer rate will matter. Sony hasn't said anything one way or another but Microsoft has said they have machine learning built in with the ability to make low resolution textures look like high resolution textures. If this works as advertised developers can substitute low resolution textures where possible to make the speed of the playstation hard drive pretty much unnoticeable. The machine learning acts like compression so the Series X won't seem to have nearly as much information to be transferred. You can see it in Flight Simulator 2020. That and variable shading will allow them to use low resolution textures for obscured images to cut bandwidth use.

[NeoGamer232]

To me the biggest problem with both these consoles is the reliance on SSD performance. Now my games have to be on a 1 TB or 825 GB internal hard drive to run them.

Many triple AAA games are 50-100 GB. This means that I can only have about a maximum of about 20 games on my system before I am swapping.

Right now, I have 3 x 10 TB external drives on my XBO X. Now I am going down to 1 TB internal and 1 TB external max on the XSX. I am not in impressed with either console's approach here. There are definitely benefits but I don't think the benefits outweigh the annoyance of always having to manage your game collection now.

[oakshin]

It's 4k texture streaming is the kicker on top of that come to find out hhd has limited game design for 20 years I know anything much stronger then a x1x without a ssd is pointless all the assets would be bottlenecked in the ram and hdd making the thing seem like a beast on paper but run like crap

[ssj27]

Games take nothing to install on the ps5 acording to the mark cerny words is what i understood so sure more memory is better always but it seems that you wont have to wait 30min for a game to install etc like we do now days you insert the disc and in a min or sec the game is ready to be played. If you are not using it for a week or month delete it and if you wanna install it again it will just take seconds or a min not 30min or 1hr like they do today.

[darthv72]

The SX memory cards are going to come in different sizes so you can expect to see 1tb, 2tb, 4tb and maybe even 8tb (whatever NVME flash storage sizes top out at)

i do like that I can use my external 4tb USB to offload SX games from internal to external to make room for other internal games. Moving stuff around can work but obviously I will get a memory card or two.

[Phantom68]

The reasons why game take so much space is because they need to duplicate assets on HDD install to reduce the seek time needed to find data. On SSD the dublication is unnecessary therefore the isntal size can be reduced. Nevertheless 1TB or less is way to small but they do give us the ability to expand SSD space.

[SLiSH83]

How many games do you actually play at any one given time?

I only have 4-6 games on my drive at a time. The other I either have on a USB drive or it’s Play complete delete repeat on other games that I don’t see playing a 2nd time through. (For awhile) and then I’ll just re down load those if I get the itch

[NeoGamer232]

@SLISH83
I have over 2,000 games on those drives. It is not about how many games I play at once.

It is more about sitting down and thinking, "What am I in the mood to play?" and going thru the games to figure out what I want to conquer next. I like all types of games so it is nice to just scan thru, decide then play. In the new world I can probably scan, then decide to play but not before I copy it to the internal drive. And on the internal drive I will be continually deleting games.

REALLY ANNOYING!

[chiefJohn117]

Damn how many games do you play? 30 tb is over kill. The 1 tb plus my 1 tb external to hold last gen games and games I'm not playing should be enough for me. I may buy a 1tb card tho. These ssds are blazing fast. Heavy storage is not necessary

[dumahim]

Just remember, game size won't go up as much as you expect because of everything being solid state. No need for data duplication to reduce seek time.

[KillBill]

How is their a max limit on the XBSX? You can purchase as many external SSD as you want and simply place in the one with the game you want to play.

Sure a pain on keeping track of which SSD has which games on it but not like it is actually a limit as you suggested.

[Eonjay]

"Now my games have to be on a 1 TB or 825 GB internal hard drive to run them."
This is not true of the PS5. You can use an off the shelf NVMe However you will need to purchase one on the PCIe 4.0 standard in order that is compliant under the PS5 speed standards. In fact as fast as the PS5 is (fastest ever) there are drives coming out that will surpass the base PS5 SSD, but you can use that drive to store and play your games on

[rainslacker]

Running at full speed is not overclocked. They locked the GPU to prevent it from running faster than 2.33GHZ. If anything, they're just using these as 2.33GHZ processors that may not run at full speed.

[GottaBjimmyb]

Scaling clock rate on a CPU does defeat the purpose of static hardware though, does it not?

At minimum I hardly see a benefit to a varying clock rate for a console in really any scenario, wouldn't using the highest viable clock rate be the ideal situation? Also, varying CPU clock speeds would mean varying lifespans on said console, on that basis, which seems like an odd choice.

Did they confirm this? I haven't looked but it just seems unreasonable. Not to mention, what changes the CPU clock rate? Temperature or coding for the game? (I assume temp) If temperature, that would mean you could see a game run great sometimes and not as well at others, just an all around confusing choice if true.

[rainslacker]

No. Processors come off the silicon set for what they can run based on testing. There is no difference between a 2GHZ processor and a 3GHZ processor. They are made on the same silicon, and could be right next to one another. After they're made, they're tested to see what frequency they can run at reliably, and then they're sold at that speed. This is what makes overclocking possible.

These are 2.33GHZ chips, because one thing you don't want in a console is a processor that may not be able to run at full speed, because when a dev is making their game, they expect the timing to be consistent across all devices.

All Sony is doing is downclocking when they don't need the extra power. It's no different than how it's done on PC nowadays, and I question why Cerny even talked about it because it's nothing extraordinary. MS will always have their processor running at full speed, which is fine. Sony will vary the frequency as needed, and it's seamless to the dev.

Did they confirm what? That it's a 2.33GHZ processor? yeah, it is. Cerny never said it was a boost mode. He specifically said it would run slower when it could run the processes at a speed needed. He said when the more demanding games needed the power, the power would be there. You can't promise that if the processor isn't meant to run at full speed at all times.

[GottaBjimmyb]

You have no clue what you are talking about, but don't take my word for it. Turbo speed generally (or always up until now if this is an exception) refers to increased clock rate when the CPU temperature is within a specific range and workload is above a specific range.

https://www.intel.com/conte...
https://www.amd.com/en/supp...

Also, CPUs and GPUs can be overclocked thanks to the ability to alter cooling in PCs, overclocking on systems with the default tested cooling will cause increased heat and lower lifespan. May I also add, if this is an APU, (I assume it is) this can actually cause even more issue as it could affect the GPU performance also.

[GottaBjimmyb]

I just looked up the specs, the CPU and GPU appear to have boost, and being on the same SOC and both being temperature and workload reliant for the boost. This does not sound like an ideal solution for a console. This would mean possible different performance between consoles, different lifespans between consoles and different performances between even two separate sessions on the same console.

https://www.extremetech.com...

[rainslacker]

It's not an ideal solution for a console, which is why it's not a boost mode. Cerny didn't say they were boosting the processor, he said they were slowing it down when it didn't need all the power. These processors can come off the line and be capable of more than the 2.33GHZ, it's just that Sony locked it at that speed, so it will have that consistency, and the dev can rely on it if they need to.

It's not rocket science, and you seem to be trying real hard to make this into something it's not.

This is a 2.33GHZ spec'd processor. It will run slower if it can run the code at a slower rate. this will conserve energy, thus heat.

[GottaBjimmyb]

Idk where you are getting your info, but eurogamer and techradar both disagree with you about the "boost" operation.

https://www.techradar.com/n...

I was originally speaking hypothetically and even explained I had not researched the claim, but it not only seems you are wrong about the boost, but also that I was 100% right in my claims and you were wrong, like on almost every aspect, even with your edits.

[ABizzel1]

@GottaBjimmyb

Not from my understanding. The scaling clocks are more so there to allow the GPU to boost performance in areas when needed. Let's say a game is 60fps, but it dips to the low 50's in an intense area, then the developer can program the GPU to boost up to a higher clock at that point in a game to give that extra performance to make the game stay at 60fps during that section.

It's more so there to give the extra power when needed.

[rainslacker]

I have official documentation from Sony that I go off of, not a website making it's own conclusions. The processor is locked so it can't go past the 2.33GHZ. It isn't a slower chip that is boosted when needed. It slows down when the extra power isn't needed....as was said by Cerny in the presentation.

A Boost mode will take the standard clock, and push it past what it is spec'd to do, typically by clock multiplying. What Cerny was talking about was throttling down, not boosting up.

If this were a boost mode, then it'd be pushing past the 2.33GHZ barrier that they locked the processor to, since the processor is rated at that speed. The actual processor is likely capable of a higher speed, but if I had to guess that's what they chose for yield to get the pricing they want to be at.

The developer can force it, but the processor will make this decision on its own in most cases. More often than not, a processor does not need to run at full speed even during heavy load assuming that all the processing is spread out properly in well designed threads.

[Gazondaily]

Official documentation lol

[RookieMonsterLives]

Rainslacker
"The processor is locked so it can't go past the 2.33GHZ. It isn't a slower chip that is boosted when needed. It slows down when the extra power isn't needed....as was said by Cerny in the presentation. "

Not according to digital foundry
"PS5 is predictable but it forces developers to make choices that won't be necessary on Series X. I think fixed clocks are a better choice in this case BUT we'll see how it goes."
https://twitter.com/dark1x/...

Why would developers have to make choices on PS5 if the clocks are set at the max like you are saying?

[VariantAEC]

@GottaBjimmyb
The PS5 power input is throttled
(Source: YouTube->Channel-"Play Station"-Video-"The Road to PS5"-Time-"35:00& ;quo t; - can't use HTML in comments here's a link: https://youtu.be/ph8LyNIT9s... ) as you can see PS5 varies its clock speeds rather than its power input meaning thermal performance should never be exceeded. The reason for that as Cerny explains is because from the get go they created a cooling system for the hottest thermal point the hardware can handle.
Fan noise should be minimal on PS5.

[VariantAEC]

@rainslacker
Those official docs should tell you the GPU clock frequency tops out at 2.23Ghz not 2.33Ghz.
This is what Cerny stated in The Road to PS5 video I linked to earlier.

[rainslacker]

It probably was 2.23 then. I read them before I started working at home. But it doesn't change the rest of the stuff I was saying.

@Drake

That quote said nothing about it being a boost mode. I'd take Cerny's direct description of what the processor does, that anyone can go rewatch if they want, where he said they slow the processor down if the program doesn't need the power. The dev can make a choice to force it to run at full speed, but that full speed is not a boost mode, which is what this discussion is about.

@Septic

Yes, official docs. Unless after all these years you still want to question my credentials.

@General

I'm done talking about these official specs things until people wrap their head around this stuff better. It's feels like i'm banging my head against the wall fighting with people who just want to come to a conclusion based on varying other conclusions because they don't understand the tech in the first place. In this case, it's not even that hard to understand, so if people want to believe it's a 9.X TF processor that boosts in short bursts, go ahead. Won't matter in the end. Games will look good, and run good, so who really cares in the end?

[GottaBjimmyb]

@VariantAEC you just literally posted a video saying exactly what I said, what eurogamer said, what techradar said and basically the opposite of rainslacker.

Cerny says:
"Then, we went for a variable frequency strategy, which is to say we run the CPU and GPU in boost mode ... then we increase the frequency of the CPU and GPU until they reach the capabilities of the systems cooling solution."

This specifically says it is in boost mode, though it can run this for a sustained time-frame, it does mean that is the max performance and will ONLY go down from there.

"Rather than run at a static frequency and let the power vary based on workload, we run at constant power and let the frequency change based on workload."

This mean temperature will determine the frequency. If you don't understand how it works, that would explain why you thought he was saying whatever it is you are claiming he is saying.

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So this does change one thing, since they are making a static power consumption, temperature is likely to be the sole limiting factor and probably means it will have a very stable life-span, but the frequency will be temperature dependent which means all the other negatives will be more apparent than I first assumed, not less.

@rainslacker
You keep saying he said it will go lower as needed, but that need is temperature, 2.23Ghz (GPU) and 3.5Ghz (CPU) are the max, it cannot go higher, so obviously lower is the only option, your conflation that that means it will only go lower to save power was never stated. In fact, he said the EXACT opposite, that the power consumption is 100% static. However as quoted above, he specifically said that the frequency will vary in use based on temperature, you just don't know that is what he said because he didn't say it that way and you are uninformed. Obviously he would use the wording that sounds the best, not the worst. However what you have said is not accurate, even using Cerny's own words, you have just made it out of pure imagination.

[gamer7804]

series x has a much higher shader count, for the most part depending on what third party developers do games will look better on the series x overall.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

And dedicated ray tracing block

[oakshin]

When it comes to that it's impossible for me to think about much untill someone reverse engineers the chips and I can get the whole story hell I'm happy with the specs 4k TV's will get all they can handle from these things and I see 3rd partys learning to use the ps5 audio chip for extra gpu(sadly) because they won't use it much otherwise it will just turn the ps5 into the harder console to develop for it will have to leverage it flexibility and the sx will just be the benchmark (maybe alot of unknowns with this new tech and future game design that can't be predicted in 2020)

[HallowedSoul1]

You better believe once warranty is up I'm changing the thermal paste to arctic MX-4. But with those overclocks I'd be surprised if Sony cheaps out on thermal paste like with the OG PS4.

[Kakashi Hatake]

Can't believe people think this is a simple overclock 🙄

[Zeref]

The biggest differences we'll see is when it comes to raytracing capabilities.

XSX has 44 percent more raytracing hw than the PS5. That is a massive advantage right there.

It will be like 4K was this currentgen where PS4 Pro versions rarely hit native 4k. Except raytracing will be much more perceptible,we may see PS5 versions of games lack raytracing entirely.

[anubusgold]

Those extra cu can mean 40 extra fps on xbox and You can get 4950 speed pcie 4.0 drives when x570 motherboards came out they are 200 dollars on newegg now

[Sharingan_no_Kakashi]

My only question is what are these "worse possible scenario games" Cerny mentioned. What kind of games will cause the ps5 to downclock?

[jznrpg]

Programmed poorly I bet . We won’t see worse case scenarios from graphics physics etc toward the end of the gen unless it’s programmed poorly . There were some indie games that ran like crap on PS4 and made it get hot

[alb1899]

When you want to combine 4K, 60fps and Ray Tracing on the ps5 will be compromise.

[Aenea]

How's that then? Any logical reasoning behind your nonsense statement?

You gotta love the extreme fans on either side, saying crazy stuff without anything to back up their silly claims

[Atticus_finch]

Your ego will definitely be compromised. Ps5 is really bothering you, isn't it.

[alb1899]

The GPU of the series X Is more powerful and there is the directX 12 ultimate....that along will make the Ray Tracing better on the SX. Ok
Ps5 focus on their conference in what seems to be their advantage: sound..... wish is not clear that will be better and faster output or SSD wish will make ps5 have better load times and maybe help the overall system a little bit.
I'm sorry if that makes me a fanboy but when I read too much boost I feel that Sony is trying too hard to no look weaker and could end with a new generation red ring of death.
I don't have to be a NASA scientist to interpreted that the SX will be capable to support more weight without any compromise and ps5 will be compromise with less weight.

[rainslacker]

I dunno, but I suspect it will involve the menu systems of games. There seems to be this thing where they don't limit the render clock, which causes these huge spikes in processing since there isn't much going on with them. Quite a few games have had this issue this gen....and a lot of them were from Sony.

Otherwise, if a game doesn't need the power, it will downclock. If the system starts to overheat, it will downclock.

Despite what some people are saying, the 10.2TF speed is not some random boost mode that it may achieve sometimes, but rather, the other way around.

[Sharingan_no_Kakashi]

That could be. Cerny did mention Horizon Zero Dawn's map screen causing ps4 pro's fan to go wild and I have experienced that myself. He said it had something to do with the kind of geometry. Processing dense geometry takes less power than processing simple geometry.

[super_bruno]

Consoles are always pushed to the metal, what makes you think these two new consoles won't

[Vanfernal]

It comes down to games. That's what really matters.

[hamburgerhill]

Yes but specs matter as well. If not then just stick with ps4 or Xbox one.

[Vanfernal]

Right... Cause we know how much of a flop the Switch has been. /s

PS1 and PS2 were the weakest consoles of their respective generations and the most successful by far.

It's JUST about the games. Next gen isn't even here yet and people are acting like the difference between the systems is so big that it's gonna hinder them. If one console runs multi platform games and 4K 60fps and has killer exclusives, and the other runs the same multi platform games at 4K 120fps but has no exclusive games, at the end of the day the one with the better game library will be the best one.

[Vx_]

Switch is destroying the Xbox right now.. and it’s a much much weaker machine... for us gamers we are only interested in the AAA exclusives and unique games of each machine and how good they are.

[CaptainOmega]

“buT sPeCs mAtTeR tOO”

Yes. they do. Compared to PS4, PS5 is a much better console. Compared to the Xbox One X, Series X is a much better console. And compared to the Xbox One S, Series S will be a much better console. Comparing Series X to PS5 is not using common sense to say ‘buT Xbox is better”.

[hamburgerhill]

This same argument happens every single generation. I agree games and (in my opinion) especially exclusives are what matter most. MS has a lot to prove this gen on the games front, unlike Sony or Nintendo. I say let them attempt to prove it, but at the same time don't knock them for making a really impressive console. That's not saying PS5 doesn't sound impressive as well.

[AsunaYuukiTheFlash]

Can I play God of War PS5 on my PS4?

[pornflakes]

The gpu shown in the presentation was running with full clock speed - You can expect a ps5 running as loud as a vacuum cleaner like the ps4pro.

The ssd will also perform much head. Sony focused the presentation so strong on the SSD that their fanboys forgot that all exclusives on the ps4 are running on ultra slow hhds.

Do you think ur current gen exclusives would look better if this ssd would be now in a ps4??

I doubt it- lol

[Mooncake]

One of the best parts of the whole PS5 talk for me was that they acknowledged the fan noise of the Pro was a massive problem, and said they're designing the cooling solution around the console's peak performance this time.

It should be a slick machine! The Series X is definitely more powerful though. There's just no contest when the SoC is 44% bigger.

[PitbullMonster]

44% more SoC but only 16% more TF.

[zeuanimals]

@PitbullMonster:

Yeah, in terms of raw GPU and CPU power, next-gen is the most evenly matched compared to previous gens. But people act like the difference is huge. The PS4 GPU being 30% more powerful only lent it to having games run at a 40% higher resolution (900p vs. 1080p). What's a 16% gonna make? Where we'll really see the differences between the two's APUs will be in how the systems are setup to make use of them, rather than raw power alone.

[Eidolon]

PS4 GPU had 50% more shader/CU than Xbox One's.

[rainslacker]

GPU's are silent. It's the fans you hear.

[Atticus_finch]

Sure bro....
this comment won't age well once PS inevitably proves all the haters wrong.

[SyntheticForm]

Let's be honest: The PS5 is no slouch in any area.

The Series X is more powerful in most areas but the PS5 also has that fast SSD that will load details very, very quickly. They can also use it to bolster other aspects. The PS5 is going to be a great console. Period. Be happy about both consoles being awesome.

These are the meaningful upgrades we and developers have asked for in hardware and both companies listened well.

[RazzerRedux]

Exactly. Ultimately, we have to wait for real games to draw any real conclusions. The spec sheet favors XSX. If I had to put money down on one console operating at a slightly higher resolution or slightly higher frame-rates then my money would be on XSX. Would I be 100% confident that I would win? Nope. These two approaches are just so different.

[Abnor_Mal]

There was talk of there being two PS5s a base and a Pro model. What about the possibility that this is the base model and the pro may be higher spec.

There's also talk of a second XBox that is said to be less powerful, but hasn't been revealed as of yet.

I know nothing of computers at all this tech stuff, but there may still be information yet to be revealed.

Its whatever though as I'm only here for the games.

[AKS]

The "Pro" model of the PS5 will probably be released a few years after the base model. I'm expecting Sony to stick with the base PS5 for this year then down the road introduce a PSVR2 headset and a Pro model.

[Destiny1080]

The ps5 is plenty powerful to handle 4k/60

I Expect the pro to Add a massive upgrade to ray Tracing Capabilities, but there may not even be a pro Model

subtle differences in lighting may not be enough to justify a pro model but if the demand is there and microsoft are also pushing a pro model you can pretty much expect one

Mark Cerny Showed a Slide about Ray Tracing
Ray Traced global illumination was the least Taxing of the Five and should be available in all PS5 Games

[shiva1]

If this is less powerfull ps5 then i guess the more powerful ps5 is being done for bragging rights. It will fall flat in sales as nobodys gonna buy that anyway. It will tank bro on pricing.

[Abnor_Mal]

Isn't the Series X also being made for bragging rights? MS were already bragging months ago about the worlds most powerful system. So why make a less powerful Lockheart, and going by price, which would fail, since a Pro PS5 would fail because of price.

[CaptainOmega]

It's as if people are forgetting Xbox is also releasing Xbox Series S, which is a weaker box on paper, which is what should be compared to PS5, not Xbox Series X.

Fanboying is blocking common sense.

[shiva1]

Hahahahahaha.... What will be compared with series x... Do you mean there is no competition for series x.

[CaptainOmega]

“hahahaha”?

I guess there might not be any competition until a “Pro” version of PS5 is released. I don’t see that as an issue.

PS5 should be compared to Series S, not X. Wanting a direct comparison is intellectually dishonest.

[zeuanimals]

You really think an advantage of 16% more TF is gonna make a drastic difference in the age of diminishing returns? Mind you, the PS4 had 30% more TF than the Xbox One, and all we really saw was 900p games vs. 1080p ones. So, what? We'll be seeing 4K games vs. slightly below 4K games? The biggest difference between the PS5 and XSX are the speeds of the SSDs.

You're right. Fanboying is blocking common sense.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

Why are you using percentages instead of the actual gulf in power?

PS4 had 0.6 TF more power....which translated to consistent 1080p/30 vs 720/900p lower quality 30 FPS games.

The power difference is essentially a little over a whole PS4 in power.

[zeuanimals]

@343:

Because of diminishing returns. We see that with various different cards on PC. More powerful, but not enough to really make a huge difference, if any difference. Sometimes, more power doesn't even translate to more usable power. And roughly 8 TF is what you need to consistently hit 4K which both consoles are already past.

[AmUnRa]

That the Xbox One performed less was not because the Terraflops...the problem was the 8GB of DDR memory agains the 8 GB GDDR5 memory of the PS4.... That was the biggest problem for the Xbox One

[remixx116]

@guilty spark.

I don't know much about tech but even I can tell you don't know shit about tech at all.

He is using percentages because that's how you assess available power in terms of their collective whole. The "gulf" gets even lesser when you factor in the very real diminishing returns.

In terms of TF it literally is a difference of 16%

[goldwyncq]

Playstation fanboys can’t even gracefully accept that their console is objectively weaker.

[remixx116]

Lol what? "Gracefully"

Hahahahahaha it's so funny that it made you feel good to type that

[Atticus_finch]

No dude, just stop.
Ps5 will have no problem running the best looking games ever made. Relax.

[YEP414]

Here we go 😂😂😂
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[Kumakai]

lol. if gen8 taught me anything its that if the roles were reversed and xbox had the weaker gpu.... this article wouldn't be as kind. just like how xbox users at the beginning of gen 8 were thrashed for a lack of 1080p titles and poor performance comparatively. now playstation comes out weaker and its just different. i got news for you guys, don't expect that ssd to make a huge difference on 3rd party games vs ms and also ms machine also compensates for its slower ssd with a wider bus and higher memory bit depth and a faster bandwidth so... in that regard they are different but - make no mistake about it, the series x is the stronger machine no matter how you slice it. that doesn't mean the ps5 is bad. just accept it now cuz you're going to notice an edge on a lot of titles... especially third party ones.

[shiva1]

It takes time...it wont sync in a day or two.

[CaptainOmega]

Of course.

One thing MS did right from a marketing standpoint was announce the Series X before Series S. This made any conversation about PS5 comparable to their obviously higher tiered console. This is obviously giving fanboys some sense of superiortity.

It’s really quite silly. Compare Series S to PS5, not Series X..

As far as how much potential the PS5 has to compete with Series X, perhaps third party games may be better on X, but it could very well be that Exclusives compete on par with the console (which would make a statement).

[Atticus_finch]

Okay so when did you get to see those inferior Ps5 games, I would like to see too.
Unless, maybe, you don't know what you are talking about. That can't be it!

Sorry to ruin your fun green boys, the difference between series x and ps5 won't be 1080p($400) vs 720p($500). Hahahahahahahahaha. My apologies, that price tag still gets to me.

More like
4k 65fps Ray vs 4k 60fps Ray.

Ps5 won't be the cure you need for your, Xbox one, inferiority complex

[Fishy Fingers]

One is better.

[Thundercat77]

The developers community are saying that despite what we see in the specs sheet the PS5 is going to perform better and faster than the Xbox Xsex.

If you have 2 super cars... One is brute force and the other one is high performance and speed. Which car do you think will win the race?

[343_Guilty_Spark]

All things considered let's assume that for all intents and purposes the cars are designed to be balanced...great intake, cooling, aerodynamics, torque, wheels, etc etc....

The one with more powerful engine likely wins.

[RookieMonsterLives]

The only thing faster than the XSX is the SSD on the PS5. The PS5 wins the race in loading 1 seconds vs 3 seconds BUT it is slower in CPU, weaker GPU, slower memory bandwidth, weaker Raytracing and everything else. Don't kid yourself, as the PS5 is a great console but it is no match for the Series X in graphics spec.

[Utakata]

lol

[AK91]

The bigger question is what will the price be of both consoles? Would they be the same or one cheaper than the other.

[babadivad]

The denial is real. It's like since the reveal of these consoles people suddenly forgor how to read. It's OBVIOUS which console has the more powerful hardware.

[Xavi4K]

nope Xbox is better in every aspect but the speed of its hard drive

[Ulf]

...I'm sure that's how everyone who buys a PS5, and not a XSX, will put it. "Just different". Like the Wii was just different, you know?

[DarthZoolu]

Just like the PlayStation 4 was clearly stronger last generation with everything taken into consideration the Xbox series X is clearly stronger. The ray tracing alone makes it stronger by a long shot.

[Bismarn]

Why is everyone still using that 2 year old mock up photo of the PS5?! Oh wait, maybe its because Sony forgot to actually reveal the PS5 during their reveal presentation.

[Zeref]

When PS4 had the power narrative we never saw articles like this. But when Xbox has the power narrative...

[i3eyond the Circle]

As games grow more ambitious and engines advance won’t there always be a “workload” if you want to make
your best game that’s supposedly super powered by the SSD?

[mandingo]

Lol the damage control is real. Xbox is the better console performance wise. This is objectively true.

[SugarSoSweet]

Series X is more powerful end of story......

[LordJamar]

Just like the cloud il believe the POWA OF THE SSD when it’s proven

[traumadisaster]

So the authors first day in gaming I see - “giving identity to each console makes developers more excited and helps produce more truly one of a kind experience”

Devs more excited??? What are you 8, devs are adults, callous, hard, experienced, motivated, they don’t need bubbles & bullshit to get excited...this is their life and they want easy technical hurdles to allow their milestones to be met quickly.

One of a kind experience??? What college dorm fantasy land do you dream this crap up? Multiplats that form the majority of sales from Rockstar/Activision/Ubisoft/EA games will not have this lil sissy bs idea of “one of a kind.” They will be pretty close on each console like pro/1X. Sony has some one of a kind IPs that MS is trying to replicate but that has zero to do with hardware.

Cmon author stop with the bs, is respect you more if you just said I need to fill up space and I can’t give decent analysis since I’m not really a person in the industry and I didn’t actually graduate with a journalism degree, but I can talk shit on an interweb.

[IRetrouk]

I dont care which is stronger, I like that both seem very different, I want gran turismo and I want forza motorsport, I want halo and I want whatever guerillas working on, I want new ips and I want old ones too, sonys got a track record with games, and ms seem to really be taking my biggest criticism of them to heart, so far, I want both, cant wait to start seeing next gen stuff now though.

[CrimsonWing69]

Um, I mean according to specs it’s not as powerful and I’m not sure what you call something that can’t perform at the same level as their competitor... oh right, different.

That being said, it’s going to boil down to the games. What will be interesting is if Xsex can deliver exclusives that go neck and neck with Sony’s.

[Saijahn]

The amount of spin that’s been going on has been insane. It’s really a slap in the face to Sony as if the console they’re offering needs excuses or a crutch. That variable clock will be an issue and a fast SSD will more than likely only be used by their exclusives.

End of the day this is a lesson for console war enthusiasts. Instead of appreciating what your favorite console can do, you stay bickering for no reason. You can’t even admit defeat because you need to validate your purchase and brand loyalty to people that don’t matter.

I can bet money that every heads up breakdown of a game will go to XEX just like it did with the 1X vs Pro.

The 5 is a capable machine and down the line will have some killer exclusives again (unless Sony keeps giving them to other platforms). Enjoy the step up in power and stop making excuses.

[bneals]

The XSX also has dedicated on-board hardware related to audio raytracing so this should not be considered a plus on the PS5.

Relax sony fans, the PS5 will be great. Sony has great developers that will max out the PS5's monster specs. That said, stop sounding ignorant. The XSX is clearly more powerful.

[Firebird360]

What this will translate into is the same graphics but xbox consistently hitting a better framerate and possibly higher resolution. For me that's key, I want 60fps. 60fps is clearly what ms is aming for this gen and I'm all for it.

[ironmonkey]

Wrong both will hit 4k 60fps wether one is slightly lower or not especially at these spec it will be an easy mark.

[Firebird360]

Sorry but you're wrong on this. Ms clearly built xsx for framerates.

[Ol_Boy]

If you only care about graphics and performance get a gaming PC. If you care about console exclusives get whatever console has the best exclusives for you.