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Naughty Dog and Their Imperfections

From its humble beginnings as Jam Software in 1984 to its current status as one of Sony’s best first-party studios, Naughty Dog has released dozens of games varying in quality. The Naughty Dog of today didn’t begin taking shape until the PlayStation 3 era. The Crash Bandicoot and Jak and Daxter franchises stand the test of time, but they don’t reflect the studio’s current values.

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roadkillers1556d ago

There's arguments to be made, especially with Nintendo... I had so much fun with the Uncharted series especially playing Uncharted 4 on Active Duty. Definitely want his job whether it is a treasure hunter or scuba diver.

I'm the minority here, but I remember very little from Last of Us single player besides the cutscene videos. The multiplayer on the other hand was incredibly fun and possibly the best behind CoD MW PS3.

Jak continued to get better as the series went on. Jak 3 was so much fun being my GTA alternative.Along with that, Crash was part of my adolescence.

Every PS game they've made has left a long appeal. Oh... Daxter was the only must have PSP game until GTALCS came out.

LMosche1555d ago (Edited 1555d ago )

Jak 2 and 3 are the worst platformers Ive ever played with barely any music and the little it has being repetitive and boring and like four generic weapons. Ratchet & Clank didn't spoil me, Jak was just garbage. Even the platforming was meh.

AspiringProGenji1556d ago (Edited 1556d ago )

“ Consumers can always expect them to churn out technical marvels with excellent writing, but they aren’t the end-all-be-all the industry has made them out to be.”

As opposed to what or who? Every studio will always have their weakness, but ND is one of those devs where the overall quality will make up for their weakness. I much enjoyed U3 despite its linearity. U4 was awesome despite a few chapters feeling it dragged the game a bit which slowed the pace.

A few imperfections shouldn’t affect the reputation they have built for themselves in the industry. I much prefer the Naughty Dog of today than the past

Darkwatchman1556d ago

the Jak and Daxter games will always be good. Crash 2 and 3 will always be good. Uncharted 1 already feels dated with its antiquated shooting and rough design that lead to strong critical reception at time of release because it had strong writing and was such a technical next gen powerhouse in 2007. The Naughty Dog of today relies more on flawed core games propped up by their technical achievements than past games which were equally well designed and technically impressive games.

Uncharted 2 and The Last of Us are some of the best games of all time, but they are outliers. Uncharted 1, 3, and 4 will not stand the test of time 10-15 years from now in the same way the Jak and Daxter trilogy and Crash 2 and 3 have because of this pursuit for technical perfection being the core focus.

AspiringProGenji1556d ago (Edited 1556d ago )

So you left out Crash 1 and picked on U1 as if both games weren’t flawed and also the start of something great... Uncharted 3 may not stand the test of times because of U4 and Lost legacy, but it is still a fun game to play. U4 I am sure it will always be fun to play to and go through. It is a great game. Naughty Dog put a lot of detail and strive to deliver a quality experience with their games and that is something that should be applauded, not put against them. If they have the resources, time, and passion to deliver a technical marvel, then they damn well should. The technology is already here for them to achieve things they couldn’t before.

lifeisgamesok1556d ago

I'll always remember Uncharted 4 and TLOU they are 2 of the greatest games I've ever experienced

I have a good feeling TLOU Part II will be the same

RazzerRedux1556d ago

"Uncharted 2 and The Last of Us are undeniable classics, but that’s two out of five games under Naughty Dog’s modern portfolio. Their monolithic reputation doesn’t match their output. "

I've read these silly arguments before. Here is the logic: ND made two of the best games of all time, but since their other games are not considered to be among the best games of all time, ND is overrated.

That's just poorly thought out. It is like discounting Scorsese as a director because most of his movies aren't as renown as Goodfellas and Raging Bull. It is just silly. And your premise that NDs strengths are only writing and tech prowess is simply incorrect. There is some damn good gameplay in these games and you are wrong to discount them.

Finally, there have been 6 ND games since the first Uncharted. 5 Uncharted games (including Lost Legacy) and The Last of Us. Any game developer would kill to have that portfolio and does in fact back up NDs lofty reputation.

I think this article was written not to be right, but to be controversial and get clicks. Congrats on that.

Silly gameAr1556d ago

Let me sum this article up

"stop thinking Naughty Dog are the best in the industry because I said so".

Saved everyone a bunch of reading.

Darkwatchman1556d ago (Edited 1556d ago )

This is the problem with N4G. People read headlines and skim the articles without taking the time to FULLY absorb its contents. I state within the article that Naughty Dog is a high quality team that you can always count on to deliver strong writing and technology and animation that pushes the hardware of its era. They are the kings of polish. Nobody in gaming provides such polished video games.

What the article is doing is examining the very deep flaws inherent to Uncharted 1, 3, and 4 that critical discourse tends to gloss over because the studio's pursuit of "technical prowess/perfection" and "cinematic" direction tends to make people forgive glaring design issues that other games would be judged more critically for. The article is actually a balanced and fair assessment of Naughty Dog's 3 most flawed games, which I admit also are all very good games in their own rights, but brings to light things the mainstream discourse tends to dismiss.

It's a studio whose reputation doesn't match their output. Uncharted 2 and The Last of Us deserve the reputations they have, but the rest of their modern games, Uncharted 1, 3, and 4 are flawed enough that the messiah-like status bestowed upon Naughty Dog seems a little inflated when you take a step back to think about their games more critically.

This kind of reductive comment belittles the amount of time and effort people put into articles like this. I welcome differing opinions that are reasonably well argued. Hell, I'm a FAN of hour long video essays of games whose overall conclusion I disagree with, but I enjoyed the content because it was an intelligently delivered critical dissection whose arguments I could understand even if I didn't agree with them.

AspiringProGenji1556d ago (Edited 1556d ago )

“ What the article is doing is examining the very deep flaws inherent to Uncharted 1, 3, and 4 that critical discourse tends to gloss over because the studio's pursuit of "technical prowess/perfection" and "cinematic" direction tends to make people forgive glaring design issues that other games would be judged more critically for.”

But it is okay to ignore W3’s flawed combat because of the story and the open world, or RDR2 issues because it’s Rockstar... It’s as if every game and dev have their issues and people don’t Care when the overall experience is great

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bluefox7551556d ago

There's rarely anything to "full absorb" posted on N4G, people don't usually read the articles because most of the articles are trash clickbait blogs, written by failed journalist hipsters trying to make it in games journalism instead.

OB1Biker1556d ago

Imagine Uncharted 1, 3, and 4 being the most flawed games for a studio....
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The discussion about other studios being great is fine. The argument to downplay one is flawed.

Silly gameAr1556d ago (Edited 1556d ago )

The article itself belittles the article. Sorry if my interpretation of this article offended you, and that you actually thought this was a well written, "intelligently delivered" article. To me it just read like "I'm going to find reasons for people to stop thinking Naughty Dog is top tier, and try to bring them down a level or two."

RazzerRedux1556d ago (Edited 1556d ago )

"The article is actually a balanced and fair assessment of Naughty Dog's 3 most flawed games, which I admit also are all very good games in their own rights, but brings to light things the mainstream discourse tends to dismiss."

So ND games, in your opinion, range from "very good" to among "the best ever". And so ND is overrated? NDs "flaws" are better than the vast majority of other devs strengths.

" I enjoyed the content because it was an intelligently delivered critical dissection"

This article isn't that though.

And this nonsense about "cults" when referring to ND fans who some regard them with "messiah" status is over the top hyperbole. You've described everyone who disagrees with you about ND as some kind of obsessed fanatic.

"This is the problem with N4G. "

No, this is the problem with articles on n4g posing as "journalism".

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Rimeskeem1556d ago

Journalism and it's imperfections.

According to this article someone who made mistakes 20+ years ago should always be remembered for it and can't possibly be redeemed.

Darkwatchman1556d ago (Edited 1556d ago )

...uh what? If you read the article, I argue it’s their older games. The crash games (not the first one) and the entire trilogy that remain good to this day all these years later but it’s their more recent games that aren’t more inconsistent so how does your comment about “making mistakes 20+ years ago” fit in to anything...they make more mistakes now than they ever did.
Uncharted 2 and The Last of Us at their 2 truly amazing modern games. The rest are all definitely also good, but deeply flawed in a way that doesn’t get discussed enough when Naughty Dog is brought up in discourse.

Rimeskeem1556d ago (Edited 1556d ago )

They aren't deeply flawed, just because they arent as good doesn't mean they are deeply flawed. No one talks about it because it's not something that can be talked about unless you are trying to make some dumb clickbait shit.

Stating the imperfections of a studio who has won hundreds of GOTY awards from countless sites is the epitome of attention seeking. Where is your article for Rockstar imperfections or other studios who have countless praise if though their newest game has obvious flaws in movement and mechanics?

This piece just seems like you have been trying to find flaws in a studio that has been gifted 100s of awarded.

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generic-user-name1556d ago

I'd ask what makes them "deeply" flawed rather than simply flawed?

PhoenixUp1556d ago

It’s easier for me to go through the Crash Bandicoot and Jak & Daxter games than it is to replay Uncharted & The Last of Us. I love replaying those other entries, but sometimes it takes too long for me to get to my favorite parts in those titles than in the previous titles.

One thing I find hilarious is Naughty Dog’s tradition of always having a chase scene with the player character running away from the screen from a big instakill threat in almost all of their games under Sony.

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Square Enix Preparing for Layoffs in U.S. and Europe Amid Heavy Restructuring

In a town hall that took place on Monday, Square Enix president Takashi Kiryu reportedly confirmed imminent layoffs in the U.S. and Europe.

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blackblades45m ago(Edited 45m ago)

What did NA and EU did anyways? Just translate or something? I would say it might help them get back to there roots but DK.

Hofstaderman3m ago

Actually, yiu are correct they play a hand in localization especially in Europe with the many languages. That and marketing.

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Xbox Gives Incoherent Explanation For ‘Hi-Fi Rush’ Studio Closure

The gaming world is still reeling from the announcement that Microsoft is shuttering Tango Gameworks, the studio behind last year’s big Xbox hit, Hi-Fi Rush.

Relientk7722h ago

There's no logical or good reason to give for closing Tango Gameworks. They make great games consistently and Hi-Fi Rush was the highest rated Xbox game in literal YEARS. Closing the studio was just plain stupid and nonsensical.

notachance3h ago

It’s quite strange to not see Phil Spencer in any talkshow or podcast… usually the dude would talk almost daily when there’s even a bit of news from xbox.

Hofstaderman2h ago

Muzzled and/or in on it from the very beginning. You have to be a very stupid person not to anticipate that your division is going to be under scrutiny from shareholders after 80 Billion Dollars worth of acquisitions

Aloymetal1h ago

The beauty of being a CEO here in America is that when your company does well, you get extra money as a reward...
And when your company does badly, you get extra money to encourage you to stick around and lead it through the storm...And at some point, you get to bow out and float toward retirement on your golden parachute, which means and you guessed it, MORE MONEY!! What a deal for snake oil man Phil!!

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ShareTheTruth2021m ago

Same applies to PlayStation.

Jim Ryan partied with London Studio and fired them all 24 hours later.

He closed studios and fired thousands and then departed with a huge payout

But aloy and Hof will never address that fact

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purple1013h ago

Perhaps they think they can sweep this one under the rug, gamers will forget about it,

We will not

They made a good game and you put the whole studio in the bin, this couldn’t be clearer, ms don’t care, everyone suspected it, but now we KNOW it

Amplitude2h ago(Edited 2h ago)

She's kinda got the verbal communication of 3-years-ago Biden trying to say something he knows nothing about.
What she meant to say is: "We wasted our budget for the next couple years buying Call of Duty, and we're moving all our chips to that one series"

It's starting to seem quite obvious that XBox is going to be shutting down most of their studios or selling them off, then focusing on some sort of PC/Console hybrid OS for the next XBox where they can collect royalties Valve style.

esherwood24m ago

To be fair I don’t think there is a good answer, I’d rather her been honest but that probably would have pissed more people of then the word salad route.

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Square Is Shifting Strategy To Aggressively Pursue Multiplat Releases,Focus On Quality Over Quantity

Square Enix is shifting its strategy to aggressively pursue multiplatform releases and focus on quality over quantity.

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CantThinkOfAUsername10h ago

Yup, it's official. FFXVI and FFVII Rebirth didn't sell as much as they expected.

gold_drake9h ago

read the report, where exactly does it say what u just said ? lol

Barlos7h ago

It's your interpretation. That doesn't make it 'official'.

Sonic18813h ago(Edited 3h ago)

Probably for PC and the upcoming Nintendo Switch 2. Square Enix games doesn't sell to well on Xbox

Extermin8or3_3h ago

Nothing sells well on Xbox that's precisely Microsoft's problem

The3faces2h ago

Apparently they don't sell well on PlayStation either.

Lightning772h ago

Square named Drops Xbox as part of their multiplatform approach in their quarterly reports.

Like it matters MS will probably find away to close them down to.

DarXyde3h ago

I mean, maybe? They'll want as much as possible and I figure they could have been hoping for greater impact on PlayStation, but that's good reason to reflect and realize the resources and development cycle of these games aren't very sustainable. The solution is to make more affordable games with shorter dev cycles, then once in a while bring out the big guns.

I think Final Fantasy VII Re make and Rebirth would do really well if it was multiplatform. Specifically, if Nintendo gets their hardware up to snuff, and the rumors are promising. I don't really have much faith in its performance on Xbox, but Nintendo gamers really commit to buying their games. At one point, Breath of the Wild for Switch outsold the Switch itself.

Granted, Zelda always solos everything except GTA, but Nintendo folk are avid Final Fantasy fans. I think it would do exceptionally. Nintendo just needs to make porting easy and inexpensive and they'll get more games.

Christopher1h ago

The two most profitable games for them didn't sell as much as expected. Yes. Make it make sense.

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CrashMania10h ago(Edited 10h ago)

Hopefully the next Nintendo system isn't a potato and it can contribute to FF sales in future as well, in addition to PC releases. If this ensures the long term health for SE and franchises than like FF and KH then I'm all for it.

NotoriousWhiz9h ago

Adding Nintendo and PC customers is the best way to increase sales and long term success. Not going to get that from Xbox.

shinoff21834h ago

Hopefully square brings all the lose switch exclusives over to.

Hofstaderman8h ago

Will there be a XBOX for Square to release games on? Or a MS Games service?

thesoftware7307h ago

Hof,

You must not have heard they are launching new hardware and have already committed to a Next-Gen Xbox.

But, for some reason, I think you already knew that and wanted to spin a silly narrative; besides, why wouldn't they release games on the SX/SS? You do know these consoles will still be here, right?

Hofstaderman6h ago(Edited 6h ago)

Optics. They have a STATED plan to do so. Thats not commitment. The shareholders and board are calling the shots now. Lets see if they have the appetite for hardware because they are owed 80 Billion Dollars already. Investment in hardware, R and D and marketing is how much again? That cost with the history of their hardware performance....at most maybe a handheld. What I am certain of XBOX is finished, the writing has been on the wall before the studio closures. Its MS Games and they are not hardware. They are software because MS is a software company. Expect them to be folded in the Surface team.

DarXyde3h ago

*hardware

I believe they committed to hardware.

I hate to nitpick, but that's kind of the company they are. You have to.

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Aloymetal5h ago

No to both, not worth the effort, money and time on an already dying brand.

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thesoftware7305h ago

"They have a STATED plan to do so. That's not commitment."

Huh? What are you talking about? They announced they would be unveiling new Hardware this holiday season; how else are they supposed to commit to it?

" Lets see if they have the appetite for hardware because they are owed 80 Billion Dollars already"

What a silly statement, you think this deal was approved so they could make 80 billion in less than a year? This is a long-term commitment, a future-proofing of profit.

"What I am certain of XBOX is finished,"

No, you are not certain of this lol; as you stated, if they make even a Handheld in the form of a Steam-Deck that can dock to a TV/monitor, wouldn't that be just changing the form factor but still XBOX?

Closing these studios has really got you guys delusional; that is what happens in companies, in a changing market: you acquire, and you trim; like it or not, that is the way things are done. Lets look.

Where is the new Psygnosis with a new wipeout?
What happened to Japan Studio? Pixl Opus? London Studio?
Where is Zipper Interactive?

I can list more, but you see, closing devs doesn't mean your company is finished, especially when you have like 30+ dev teams.

Extermin8or3_3h ago

They won't be unveiling the hardware this holiday season it will be like the series x and s they got a tease at the game awards 2018. But no details until year of their release in 2020 lol

Relientk778h ago

Please tell me the Dragon Quest III HD-2D Remake is still coming. I feel like I've been waiting forever for that game.

gold_drake3h ago

i think the juggernauts kingdom hearts (disney provides the money for that one) final fantasy and dragon quest are fine, the rest not as much

Charal8h ago(Edited 8h ago)

Another sign that dedicated consoles market is in trouble, while PC seems more and more attractive to big publishers.

Having a good gaming PC and a PS5 myself, given current trend form both Sony and MS I am less and less playing on PS5, waiting for exclusives to release on PC, so I understand the logic behind the new strategy.

anast7h ago

Post those numbers. Then your comment might make sense.

thesoftware7306h ago(Edited 6h ago)

Ants,

I get that we don't know exactly without numbers, but come on, man, we can clearly see what's happening.

The console market has not grown much, the highest-selling console in history is still the PS2. You can play the " prove it" game all you want, but Sony's more aggressive PC push, SE completely rebooting their company/business, after being mainly exclusive to one console and showing a sizeable profit loss is telling.

PC is a high seller, and your doubtful PS5 dominant stance does not change the clear writing on the wall, straight from Sony's mouth, that they need to be, and will be more aggressive in the very lucrative PC market.

So, in other words, PC market is indeed looking more and more attractive to Pubs.

anast6h ago

@730

Numbers?

I'm willing to bet the farm that ¨PC gamers are not the dominate number compared to console, but I don't know because I don't have numbers. However, the price point of entry can allow us to infer what I had just stated.

anast1h ago

I don't click on links on forums. Tell me why that .com source is legit.

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