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Xbox Series X Poises to Avoid Current Gen Marketing Mistakes

Xbox Marketing star Jerret West rejoins Microsoft to help the Xbox Series X team ahead of the next gen hardware launch to combat PS5.

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Obscure_Observer1576d ago

I think their power marketing campaing is great!

Flight Simulator, Hellblade II and Project Mara already screams next gen greatness!

2pacalypsenow1576d ago

They haven’t showed anything other than Flight Simulator.

darthv721576d ago

Technically everything they shown is going to look best on the SX. Just imagine what SX/PC only games will look like. Epic!!!!

DigitalHope1576d ago

I can’t imagine that darth, that won’t happen for at least 18 months after release because most of us will already have experienced elsewhere.

S2Killinit1576d ago (Edited 1576d ago )

Flight simulator is great, everything else shown was CGI. everything they will offer will be also available on older consoles and PC. we also know that xbox tends to start each generation big, then dwindle down toward the middle part of the generation, and second half is a slow crawl in preparation for the next generation. 3 generations have shown this. Maybe this time it will be different?

King_Noctis1575d ago (Edited 1575d ago )

So the aforementioned Hellblade 2 and Project Mara, and other upcoming games like Age of Empire 4 and Halo Infinite are nothing?

Right...

2pacalypsenow1575d ago

@king_Noctis

They haven’t showed any in game footage out of any of those games.

So none of those games scream “next gen greatness”.

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Rimeskeem1576d ago

Did you just put Flight Simulator and Hellblade 2 in the same sentence for the same reason?

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DigitalHope1576d ago

You think Flight Simulator screams next gen greatness? You’re really grasping at aren’t you?

PyroMessiah861576d ago

Flight Sim looks amazing, you clearly haven't been paying attention..

rainslacker1575d ago

MSFS looks amazing, and I think a lot of gamers are going to be disappointed when they realize it's an actual sim and not much of a game. It's a very accurate sim, and not very forgiving. Seriously, the only reason it's getting this much hype among some xbox gamers is because it shows off some nice graphics, but I've been a flight sim fan since it was vector graphics, and it's not one of those things I go to play to play a fun game. I guess they're adding some game play type elements to it, but I know it's not the focus, and those things are still going to be tied to the way its meant to be played....which is take off, enjoy the landscape without doing much to fly the plane, land.

King_Noctis1575d ago

What game is as big as Flight Simulator with the same visual?

rainslacker1574d ago

@Pyro

I just doubt that some of the people that are hyping it up really know what to expect from it. I love MSFS. But there are a few that are making it out to be something more than it is, because they often refer to it as a game. We may say that Gran Turismo is a sim, but it's still a game. MSFS is a true sim, and if people go into it without realizing this, they're probably not going to enjoy it. It's a very dry experience. A good one, but things like this aren't typically huge within the hardcore gaming community.

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THC CELL1576d ago

It needs to stop being about gfx and more physics now I mean half-life is next-gen moving a box away or a building falling down on games would be great with physical barricades that can block exits also next-gen VR would be amazing

rainslacker1575d ago (Edited 1575d ago )

Their current marketing campaign is the same marketing campaign they've had since Spencer took over. Lots of talk, not much delivery. It's not the marketing they have a problem with, it's the follow through. It's not a mistake saying how great you are, and how you're going to be delivering all this great stuff. The mistake is not executing on that marketing in a way that's practical for the consumer. you don't need a marketing expert that was successful in the past to fix that, you need to get your act together and make sure you live up to your own hype.

They're doing what they need to do, but because they spent so many years not doing it, it leaves people skeptical or uninterested.

Obscure_Observer1575d ago (Edited 1575d ago )

Nonsense!

How about some actual context to back up your vague claims?

What exacly MS didn´t delivered on their new marketing campaing that you´re claiming to be the same?

Name the promisses MS made this gen and didn´t delivered? And while you´re on it, name the promisses they did delivered?

It seems your comments are made out hate rather than logic.

Facts are that it took less time to Spencer turn things around for Xbox than Sony to deliver games announced back in 2014 like Dreams and Wild, so, to one expect MS to acquire/create new first party studios AND deliver high quality AAA first games from those studios in the same timeframe is nothing but unrealistic.

You describe yourself as a developer, but apparently, when comes to MS, high quality games has to be made overnight.

rainslacker1574d ago (Edited 1574d ago )

Umm....No. You know the context. I said what I needed to say, and we've discussed Spencer's talk well enough over the past years that you know what I'm talking about, so feigning like you don't understand doesn't work.

I will say however, that MS hasn't delivered on the games they said they were going to deliver. All that money. All that talk, and the most important thing they needed to market, which is going to be the most important thing they market next gen, they have failed to deliver on.

Spencer is turning things around. But I'm talking about their marketing this gen, not what they've done right. Yeah, it took MS less time to turn things around, but Sony still delivered significantly more than MS did this gen during that time, and a few delays doesn't make up for lack of content on Xbox. You really don't want to start the topic of who has had more faults for delivering this gen, because you will lose.

Yeah, games aren't made overnight. They take 3-4 years. I remember saying the same thing 3-4 years ago when everyone was saying it took time, and to give Spencer time. Yet here we are, 3-4 years later, and MS next year seems to be coming more from acquisitions, than anything they've worked on internally during that time.

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lifeisgamesok1576d ago

Keep it simple make some good big budget AAA games with some good AA's sprinkled in

PhoenixUp1576d ago (Edited 1576d ago )

“Xbox team is looking to avoid the PR and marketing blunders that handed the PS4 a win this generation.”

PS4 would’ve won the generation regardless of how Microsoft handled their PR & marketing. Their global appeal is no where as strong as Sony’s.

“West is no gaming or Xbox novice — he previously oversaw some of the largest products and highest highs of Xbox, with an eight-year tenure from 2003 to 2011. In other words, he was heading the marketing teams that helped the Xbox 360 dominate the console market.”

Dominate the market? Xbox 360 was the slowest selling console of the 7th gen and ended up in last place as a result. I didn’t know getting the bronze medal would mean you could be crowned the winner.

When you’re talking about a system dominating a market then it’s indisputable in the majority of factors. Odyssey, Atari 2600, NES, Game Boy, PS1, PS2, GBA, DS, 3DS, & PS4 dominated their competition within their respective generations. You can’t say the same for Xbox 360. In fact just like with the 4th gen of consoles, there was no single completely dominant console during the 7th gen home consoles.

chiefJohn1171576d ago (Edited 1576d ago )

Sony lost a ton of market share with PS3 and 360 dominated the #1 gaming marketing. Finished 1 million consoles less with more gold subs than + subs. All after PS2 wiped it's *** with the og Xbox. That was absolutely a win for 360. If you don't see how than you don't know the priority of selling consoles

IRetrouk1576d ago (Edited 1576d ago )

Yeah let's ignore, the rest of the world, rrod, the wii, the year and a half extra the 360 had the market to itself, the fact that ms charged for live from day one to be able to play online while ps plus was optional and you could play online for free. If you forget all of that then yeah, definite win for 360🤦‍♂️
All 3 done really well last gen though, no other gen has had all consoles sell really well the way they did.

chiefJohn1171576d ago (Edited 1576d ago )

@IRetrouk nothing you said changes my point and half of it was irrelevant. Year head start doesn't matter to MS you thinking they went " good job guys outselling Sony by 20 million in NA but we had a headstart so those don't matter or count do better. No, they high 5ing. Couldve swore I included world wide in my post. Yup I did sooo. No duh + was optional.... What's your point? At the end of day MS got extra money in their pockets as crappy as it was for us gamers, ppl bought in and MS got the money with little to no backlash. That's a win for them. Doesn't matter what I personally think or feel about decisions etc at the end of the day. They brought in serious Dough and Sony lost a lot compared to the previous gen

RazzerRedux1576d ago

I would also call 360 a win in that it was more competitive, but MS turned around and squandered all those gains with Xbox One. Ultimately, MS capitalized on Sony mistakes with PS3 as much as Sony capitalized on MS mistakes with Xbox One.

" Finished 1 million consoles less with more gold subs than + subs."

Gold was required for online play while Plus was not. Plus subs got free games and cloud saves only. So Gold vs Plus last gen isn't a valid comparison at all.

Prince-Ali1576d ago

@Chiefohn

The fact you DONT see how what @IRetrouk says DOES change your blinker visioned narrative is hilarious!!!
I have always said and maintained that Sony ALLOWING MS to enter the game space the way it did with the Xbox 360 was the biggest mistake and why i would say MS 'won' last gen (Even though they finished last in sales).. not because it dominated anything but because it was allowed to compete! But ill ALWAYS have an asterisk against MS' 'win' of last gen due to just how many things compounded and fell into place for MS to inflate it's 'win' narrative.

chiefJohn1171576d ago (Edited 1576d ago )

@Razzer right MS gave a chunk of those gain back to Sony this gen. It doesn't matter if plus was Optional MS made way more money off their sub. We talking from a company standpoint not a gamer standpoint. If I force something my competition didn't and I happen to get more subs and money that's a win for me. I'm not comparing which was better (imo it was Plus) this isn't comparing console and which is better or who was better I know y'all like to use sells etc to support your feelings, I don't, thats pure opinion.

@Prince there's a saying "a win is a win" lol MS owe Sony some credit for the success of the 360 but doesn't change the fact. PS4 did even better than it would've thanks to MS blunders with the reveal of the XO. Sony made sure not to do anti consumer moves while MS did. They forced Kinect much like they forced gold but unlike gold ppl didn't accept the force and truth be told I think the only reason ppl was okay with being charged for online was because MS had a good online structure and the console was Cheaper. XO didn't have things in place or the Sony mistakes for ppl to accept the BS they tried to pull unlike 360

Thundercat771576d ago

That's not console domination. Stop making excuses. Xbox has never dominated the console market.

chiefJohn1171576d ago (Edited 1576d ago )

@Thunder never said the dominated the console market I said the dominated the #1 market (aka NA) at least in comparison to PS3 idk how well the Wii did here.

RazzerRedux1576d ago (Edited 1576d ago )

"It doesn't matter if plus was Optional MS made way more money off their sub. "
" I said the dominated the #1 market (aka NA)"
"I know y'all like to use sells etc to support your feelings, I don't, thats pure opinion."

Sure you do. Pointing out how much more money MS made off of subs than Sony and how they outsold Sony in NA is indeed using sales to "support your feelings". You are trying to offset one with the other so don't say "I don't use sells". You clearly do.

IRetrouk1576d ago (Edited 1576d ago )

So everything that happened last gen is irrelevant?, apart from anything you decide to point out? Ok then🤦‍♂️

Like it or not, the 360 was sold for a year and a half longer than the ps3 was, and still sold less, like it dont🤷‍♂️ that's facts, breaking it down into regions wont change that.

You mentioned sony losing market share and 360s american numbers, then mentioned one million behind, which is also wrong by the way, so no, you didnt include worldwide in your post.

Ofcourse gold would have more payed for subs, you had to pay for it to go online, on the ps3 you didnt need a sub, that's just common sense, if you cant see how that would effect sub numbers then I honestly dont know what to tell you 😂
you were talking about how many subs gold has, now you've changed to how much money they made🤦‍♂️ I'd say you are right in your feels at the moment.

Like I said all 3 done really well last gen, I just sont see how thats a win for ms anymore than the other two, especially the wii🤷‍♂️

chiefJohn1171575d ago (Edited 1575d ago )

@Razzer how when I just said I personally felt Plus was better than gold? So how am I using Gold subs to present my case of plus being better? 😆 Gold having more sub has 0 effect of my opinion. Clearly the topic is going over y'all head lol

RazzerRedux1575d ago (Edited 1575d ago )

@chiefJohn117

Now you are just lying. You brought up Gold vs Plus as it relates to sales.

" Finished 1 million consoles less with more gold subs than + subs."

You flat out said it wasn't about which was better so that you think Plus is better is irrelevant.

"I'm not comparing which was better (imo it was Plus)"

I mean.....are you really going to pretend when don't see your words above? You cry about folks talking about sales but then want to talk about sales when it suits you. And then turn around and pretend that we’re never talking about sales. Suddenly it is whether Gold or Plus is better? But Gold subs don’t affect your opinion except when using it to say it was a win for 360?

Are you serious?

chiefJohn1171575d ago (Edited 1575d ago )

You guys are seriously slow. WHICH WAS BETTER IS PURE OPINION IDGAF ABOUT SELLS FROM MY POINT OF VIEW. IT'S NOT ABOUT "MY FEELINGS" IT'S FACT!!!! THE TOPIC IS ABOUT MS GETTING MONEY AND MAKING GAIN DURING LAST GEN. IT LAUNCHING EARLY WITH 360 WAS A SMART MOVE AND HELP THEM GAIN MARKET SHARE! DOESN'T MATTER IN YOUR FANBOY WAR IF IT LAUNCH AT THE SAME TIME OR 3 YEARS EARLY OR 3 YEARS LATE THEY GAIN MARKET and Made a ton of money that would've been in Sony pockets if things like launching early did happen, or PS3 wasn't so expensive. simple as that, it's a factual statement and can't be changed or taken away from them regardless. This isn't a debate it's a simple statement. If we switch to opinions, I don't use sells to back my opinion on something being better. You wont hear me say Halo is better than Gears cause it sold more. Or that Gold is better than plus cause it has more subs. What part of this don't y'all understand? I just said I felt Plus was better regardless of it having less subs
Damn Razzer you're usually easy to talk to. This isn't about my feelings, it's a statement based on what happened simple as that. Going from 20 million to 80 million and 60+ million subscriptions just to play online. Is this not a big gain? Yes? Well then you agree with what I'm saying. If you feeling like outselling the comp by 20 million in NA isn't dominating so be it everyone has their definition. PS4 dominated WW but only 5 million ahead in NA just to give you perspective

@Iretourk that like me opening a burger joint and McDonald's have some type of contaminated meat and their sales die down in NA and mine end up smashing theres. Does my tax return gimme a break for making so much more? Do I not get the money cause McDonald's got shot in the foot? Well then
Kobe just died..... I'm done here ,😭

RazzerRedux1575d ago

" I don't use sells to back my opinion on something being better."

That is not what you said. You said:

" I know y'all like to use sells etc to support your feelings, I don't"

Now you are changing what you previously said in every single post.

"Damn Razzer you're usually easy to talk to."

Communication has to work in both directions to have a clear conversation. Your communication in thread has been horrible. You are just all over the place.

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gamer78041576d ago (Edited 1576d ago )

PlayStation is losing to switch in The global market appeal since they moved their hq to Cali and started censoring games to appeal to the SJW crowd there.

Silly gameAr1576d ago

And, then you snapped out of your fantasy, and came back to reality. The Switch is doing well, but lets not make stuff up. There's already enough blogs and game sites trying to rewrite the current gen to their liking.

RazzerRedux1576d ago

That has more affect on the Japanese market than global. Switch would still be outselling PS4 regardless as it is in its prime and PS4 is closer to its end.

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Rimeskeem1576d ago

They can avoid current gen mistakes but now it seems they are making new gen mistakes, i mean..... no exclusives, like im not gonna bother even caring about the console for the first couple years.

FallenAngel19841576d ago (Edited 1576d ago )

Xbox Series X may do well, but Xbox 360 clearly demonstrated the peak limit of how well the brand can perform commercially.

- Xbox 360, the most successful Xbox home console, is the second highest selling home console in North America, yet it still fell behind PS3, the least successful PlayStation home console, in global sales.

- Xbox 360 is the only system, including consoles and handhelds, that has sold over 45 million units in North America yet somehow still didn’t cross over 100 million globally.

- Xbox 360 was able to keep a lead, albeit a dwindling one, above PlayStation 3 for a long time because Microsoft rushed the console to market. When you align the sales numbers from day one, it’s obvious PS3 was selling at a faster rate than Xbox 360 since launch. Microsoft can’t maintain a lead of any kind unless they have a year headstart, and even then they still lost the lead to the competition towards the end of the generation.

North America is a hard enough market to maintain since different console brands have taken the top spot moreso than any other market in the world, so that alone would be a huge obstacle for Microsoft to attain victory in.

Microsoft also has to consider that in the 18 years of Xbox’s existence, it has routinely failed to have greater appeal in markets outside of NA compared to PlayStation and it’s unlikely that’d ever change.

At best Microsoft can hope the Xbox Series X to sell is somewhere between 45-85 million whereas Sony has demonstrated they can consistently break past that 100 million milestone most of the time with their home consoles and it’s extremely likely that PS5 could also do so.

Wulfer1575d ago (Edited 1575d ago )

I'll take those numbers and now double them with PC, Xcloud and Nintendo Switch connection sales. See how stupid your comment is now??

and I'll just leave this here!

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Their marketing is already better, just look at that trailer!

Spenok1575d ago (Edited 1575d ago )

Your point just proves his even more. Those points make the console LESS likely to sell units. They'll certainly sell more software and subscriptions... but not hardware.

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