Does Modern Warfare have a camping problem?

GameRevolution writes: "Fans are upset about an apparent Call of Duty: Modern Warfare camping problem plaguing the online mode. Some players blame Infinity Ward's realism-focused map design."

[Garethvk]

I would say yes. Like many games in the series, Spawn camping and other camping is an issue. Players hide in the shadows at distance and take you out as soon as you spawn or within a step or two. I have long advocated a 5 second rule where you cannot be killed within the first 5 seconds after you spawn so you have a chance to get to cover.

[SharnOfTheDEAD]

Hardcore is an absolute nightmare. Once the spawn is pushed ya screwed, you can't push out or anything

[TKCMuzzer]

Correct. On Piccadilly once you get pushed back you can be shot pretty much as you spawn. Its amazing in 2019 that game designers can not get the basics right.
Don't get me started on the map with the bridge in the middle, this was surely designed by somebody with no previous gaming experience, I mean you can get sniped pretty much from the bridge whilst spawning. It ruins hardcore and destroys the domination game mode.
Poor game design.

[ravens52]

Theres ways around. Have to pick the enemy off whilst flanking them. Smoke grenades too.

[lilbrat23]

I wish you could choose to spawn with a teammate like you can in Ground war.

[TKCMuzzer]

Ground War is another screw up. It should just be called Sniper TDM. No way to get your team to push an objective, scant reward for taking the objectives. Its like the devs got stuck between COD and Battlefield and have come up with some limbo middle ground where the game mode just does not no what its meant to be.
At least in Battlefield if there are snipers on a roof, you can just remove the roof ;)
Oh, also remove the kill streaks from ground war, there are way to many.

[Shapeshifter75]

Agree! Another approach is to possibly limit the number of players that can pick the sniper class. It's abysmal playing modes like ground war where you get nothing but players posted along the outer ridge and standing in the corner of every window. Tanks shouldn't be allowed to access that ridge either. The sightlines just allow them to park and pick off players with little cover to take them out.

[nowitzki2004]

Maps are too tiny, I wouldnt even call it camping when you barely have space to yourself

[yoshatabi]

I personally don't have a problem with the camping. But then again I play a lot of military sims. So I'm used to it I guess. When you play so much of those kind of games camping is just the norm

[TKCMuzzer]

I think its the fact they can camp and pretty much shoot people spawning thats the big issue.

[3-4-5]

* Slight map layout adjustments can help.

* ALSO..........do people not release, that as a group, they can retreat back to a specific area of the map so spawn camping isn't as big of a factor.

* On Picadilly, you can hide out in the building to the right by scafolding, and even behind where you spawn.

* Trick is to turn the tables on your opponent by retreating as far back as you can, and making them come to you.

* This works great on Picadilly, as they end up having to funnel down one street.....you can then take out the spawn campers as they walk right into your aim.

* Works on Bridge too.....but you have to retreat to certain areas.
* Obviously this works MUCH better on TDM than Dom.

[senorfartcushion]

The game has been designed this way. The three-lane system has been replaced by a capture-and-whole system. Yes, you are meant to camp.

So kill them from far away.

[BillyG0AT]

its cod, ofcourse it does.

[Muzikguy]

That's what I was thinking. All COD games I've played had the issues with camping. Haven't played any in years but it's something I don't see changing

[TKCMuzzer]

Maybe but in the other CODS if you got camped in the game would flip the spawns to keep the game moving, this one does not, it just keeps spawning you in the same place. The amount of times I have been spawned under a Kill streak as players place them on the spawns is an effing joke. The fact that devs make these basic design errors with all their experience should be questioned.

[BillyG0AT]

they should make a game mode where you can't stay still for over 3 seconds. no snipers, too.

[Latex74]

I like this idea please let them do this ha ha

[2pacalypsenow]

Also no smg’s, assault rifles, pistols and shotguns.

[JeffGUNZ]

Correction. No M4. I die by two things in this game. M4 and 725 shotgun which is apparently a sniper rifle.

[2pacalypsenow]

Let remove anything that kills people in the game.

[2pacalypsenow]

@PertySlick

Now you're speaking my language.

[nowitzki2004]

Just strafe left and right in place

[JeffGUNZ]

The one game mode where people actually try to play the objective is Kill Confirmed since they get more credit for kills when you collect the dog tag. Yet, this mode has not been activated yet outside of private matches. I really think we are in a social experiment on how much misery we can sustain with this game till they finally just say "J/K, giggles, here's the real game"

[ravens52]

Cod always had campers. I like the new cod and what infinity ward is doing. There will always be campers, just have to play a little more strategic. And i still run and gun... just not around corners and watch the windows

[frostypants]

You can't strategize your way out of being spawn camped. It's bad game design, straight up. It was tolerable in the first CoD 16 years ago but there's no excuse for it these days.

[ravens52]

That i agree with they need to fix the spawning. I enconter a few campers here and there especially on domination but idk i mean isnt the point of this game not to die and get as many kills as possible. If camping is your way of doing that im not even mad. Thats y they have the heart beat sensor as a tactical now, also the snapshot grenade.

[ravens52]

They also let u change your items on the fly. So if u do have campers u can adjust

[Rude-ro]

True.. but the campers did not dominate..

Mw, camper are dominating.
Clay mores have to have the most kills in the game outside of any weapon.

[JeffGUNZ]

Ready to give you chills?
MW Loadout: M4+725 Shotgun+Ghost+Stun/Flash+Claym ore
I've seen bigfoot more then I have seen other loadouts that have killed me.

[2pacalypsenow]

Its about time claymores actually work imo

[JeffGUNZ]

How do you adjust to campers? There is nothing in place to stop it. Your footsteps are so loud that a camper can hear exactly where you are coming from then mount to a wall corner, ADS, then light you up before you even make it in the area. If a camper kills you then moves to another area, you're screwed because if you flash where you died, they arent there so they get zero effects from the flash or stun. Sure, there is dead silent which works for 10 seconds then is on a long cooldown. Red dot not showing up on the minimap when they fire also gives you zero idea where they have moved to. Hey, let me call in a UAV to spot them, oh wait, they are using ghost. Cool, they have ammo resupply so now they have TWO claymores!! they haved eliminated the playstyle of what makes a lot of people love this game, the run and gun twitch based reflex shooter.

[Latex74]

Dont all call of duty games have a camping problem lol

[cochise313]

yup. it's nothing new.

[DothrakiSea]

Haven't even played it or looked into it, but having played other CoD games. Yes it does.

[Bruh]

Your profile pic is goals lmfaoo

[Tedakin]

Every COD has a camping problem.....

I think this is the best COD in years BTW.

[TKCMuzzer]

With the worst spawning in years.

[StarLink]

Yes big time! Base spawn camping as well since the spawn system is broken apart from that everything else is good.

[Majin-vegeta]

The problem is.Footsteps.They sound like your a giant when run/walk so eveyone just decides to stay still instead of moving.oh dont forget those crappy as callouts that alert the enemy 🙄

[ravens52]

Lmao

[TKCMuzzer]

Yeah, i mean its 2019, if I can put a tracksuit on my character, surely I can have NIKE running shoes as well to keep me silent, sod boots :)

"I'm putting a claymore down" , "He's over there" "their on the bridge" (their all on the bloody bridge due to the shocking spawn design)

[JeffGUNZ]

I swear the operators all have aspergers. Why on gods green earth are you shouting basic things. "RELOADING" or "CLAYMORE". yeah, no sh*t, I know it is. I selected it and I placed it. Now everyone on the entire map knows I did too. Well done.

[aaronaton]

COD has in inherit camping problem due to the killstreaks, if you're 2 kills away from getting a 'Chopper Gunner' why would you push an objective?
Personally i would push, but i'm not a n00b casual that owned a 360 last gen.

[yoshatabi]

Personally I always hated killstreaks in cod games. Wouldn't mind if they took them off tbh

[KwietStorm_BLM]

Does the pope shit in the woods?

[e3kehoe]

What call of duty doesn’t have a camping problem?

[DFresh]

This series would be way better if the health was way higher.
Why?
Because it will encourage more movement, less camping and encourage more strategy because of the higher health.
Also it will give the player who's getting shot in the back time to hide, regroup and plan ahead to counter that attack.

[JeffGUNZ]

It's not really that. All FPS have campers, always have. This is an epidemic. The reason is the new changes added. The footsteps are so loud you can be heard from so far away. Crouching is just as loud. People are terrifed to walk. They camp, claymore, and then when they hear you they just mount to a wall corner, ADS, and you're dead. They also removed the red dot from the minimap showing up when you fire, which means you can camp, shoot someone, move to the next room, and no one else knows where you are to warn you because you no longer show up. Dead silence isn't a fixed perk, but a 10 second buff that is on a long cooldown. Ghost perk hides you from UAV. Also, the characters now shout anytime an enemy is in range. Not a big deal right? Except now the enemy team hears your character and now knows you're coming up on the flank. I saw a kill cam this weekend when I got behind three people, I was rounding the corner, my idiot character yells CONTACT and clear corner, three guys on the ground in prone light me up. Kill came shows them running, stopping when you hear my person shout, turn around and go prone, and ADS around the corner. It is absolutely insane.

[SLiSH83]

Maybe give us a A,B,C spawn location we can pick so if they are spawn killing on A, we have the choice to pick spawns B or C

[NealGamby]

As I said in another post:

Then don't get it. Go back to playing Black Ops 3 and 4 or Infinite Warfare. Or wait until someone comes out with a game called "Box Shooter". Where everyone is in a small square room with no cover, running around aimlessly shooting each other with weapons that all feel the exact same. Your average life cycle will be 2 seconds but hey, at least there will be no campers.

Modern Warfare feels just like old school COD. Camping included. Which is fine.

[XVision84]

Exactly so, I'd much rather have more tactics and strategy involved than mindless running and gunning. Low time to kill + loud footsteps means you actually need to think twice about what you're going to do and where you're going to go.

[yoshatabi]

Agreed

[TheColbertinator]

You can also use smoke and stun grenades to lure out campers. Tons of options.

[yoshatabi]

Completely agree. People complain about the camping. Then just play other cod games if you have a problem with it? There's a LOT. About time they change the game style. Happy they did that

[TKCMuzzer]

Its the spawning that is the issue. Stick it on hardcore and it becomes a nightmare. You can literally lie with a sight line into the spawn and shoot them as they come round the corner, they have no chance due to the one shot kills. Camping's fine, but you should NOT be able to camp a spawn point because the game keeps spawing players in the same place. Once all the opposition have pushed the spawn you should be spawned the other end. I mean the game is spawning players under , Jet and helicopter kill streaks. That is just plain poor game design, becuase at the end of the day its a game. It's not skilful or clever to shoot players as they spawn and its not tactical either, its cheap.

[SixFragz]

Yes it does have a camping problem, among many other problems.

[_LarZen_]

No. Yes... The main problem is the map design. They are made so that your more or less reachable from all angles almost everywhere.Cant blame people from camping with map designs like that.

[AnubisG]

I never understood why camping is a problem in a military shooter. Camping is a sound tactic to use. If you can't beat them, join them. This isn't the Black Ops jumping 20 meters in the air and running around like a headless chicken type of game. This is finally a real CoD game and people complain about it left and right. I guess it's the new generation who grew up on this console gen's CoD games and have no clue about what a real CoD is like. Don't worry, most likely next year, CoD will be back to a futurisric setting where you can jump 20 meters in the air, wallrun and have 3 ways to run through the map with neon colored guns and clothes.

[XVision84]

It's also not that hard to handle a camper. They have to stick their head out of a window to shoot you. You know where they are once they kill you, so just wait for them to peek and finish them. Or just cook a grenade then throw it.

[AnubisG]

Yep, exactly that. They are probably the easiest players to take out as they stick to one place.

[yoshatabi]

Fr. People complain about camping but it's so damn easy to kill them or flush them out.... Like do people not have a brain? Lol use your head

[TKCMuzzer]

Maybe on normal but on hardcore its an effing nightmare and it destroys domination as a game mode.

[JeffGUNZ]

What? lol? This is the average experience i COD now. IDK if you have played this new one, but the footsteps are so loud you can be heard so far away. You no longer show up on the minimap when you fire your gun. Also, you're character screams anytime any enemy is in the region and the other team now hears it. So here how it is currently going, with the above kept in your mind when reading this: You get out of spawn, check the 400 windows people can be in, you get killed because you can't check every window. Oh well, it happens. Kill cam shows a guy ADS mounted on a window. You spawn, go to that area, cook a grenade, throw it, nothing. The guy is now across the street or the next story down and gets you two windows down. Same thing. These campers are not staying in one location. The main problem is that the maps have WAY too many places to go. One building will have like 8 windows, unlike other COD games where it will have one or two. Worst part is, now that you don't show up on the minimap when you fire a weapon, if someone just died 5 second before I get there, I have zero idea because nothing pops up. I get camping, it's part of shooters, but they have OLY catered to that playstyle and removed any other. If you want any type of run and gun you have to equip dead silence, which is no longer a perk, but a buff that lasts 10 seconds and has like a 3 minutes cooldown. So, use it, run and try to clear a building in that 10 seconds as you're not making too much noise with the footsteps, then when the buff runs out, camp, wait, then run when it's able to be used again. What a blast. I'm sure things will be tweaked, the game has a LOT of great potential to be amazing, but now it's just not fun.

[yoshatabi]

Exactly! Finally someone who understands

[SierraGuy]

It just seems like a big mess...the maps some are too big and confusing...the mode screen/menus are a confusing mess...too much effort to customize my gun attachments...maybe it's my ADD but every other COD was very simple to navigate and customize. I hate having to relearn how to navigate something so simple like the menu.

Did they really have to change everything?

I'd be happy with a 10-15gb entry. Cutting out all the cutscenes...geez no wonder the game is almost 70gb on PS4.

Every COD since advanced warfare sux. They say getting back to the basics...bs! We're farther than we've ever been.

[NealGamby]

@SierraGuy

:( Life is hard.

[SierraGuy]

Feel better little man?

[TheGamez100]

Why I just prefer the spec ops and big team modes.

[D3vilzRightHand]

I am just saying. I know CoD will never go the Battlefield way (Frostbite engine) where you can destroy whole buildings and walls but what if they maybe ad so you at least can blow out corners or the closest 3m around a window or door?

I might get downvoted and hated to hell for this but hey, Its just an idea... maybe that will counter campers?

But I have no idea, As I said. It was just an idea.

[Bourne414]

Yes.

[Germaximus]

I've never played a single CoD that didn't consist of 90% campers

[monochromer]

*shooters have a camping problem

[Immorals]

The maps and spawns suck, and it's full of campers, but call of duty has been since they brought in killstreaks.

[lnfiniteLoop]

never seen spawn camping as bad in any MW/COD/BO game until now... CODMW is the worst for it 100% Spawn campers paradise...

[JeffGUNZ]

The most insane thing is that this game took three years. In three years you can't tell me these horrible spawns were not discovered in testing? Yikes. Same thing with PC campaign. The cutscenes play while the next level loads, cause a horrible stutter and drop in frames. I am running a beast gaming rig and it happens. Everyone on PC is getting this issue and you're telling me this wasn't discovered before release? Do they even play their games before going gold?

[lnfiniteLoop]

the game is tested by a bunch of dumb twats from team Faze ... this is the reason why all the crap remains in the series from one game to the next... quickscoping and no scoping with sniper rifles, overpowered pistols that can shoot from one side of the map to the other, also none of the real issues get picked up before release either... why also are the hacks and cheats that they use during testing never zero'd out of the game code before release...

[Saijahn]

Unfortunately it does. The game is fantastic but like all multiplayer games, the players make or break it. And the players in cod have been forever campers.

[SinisterKieran]

I don’t spawn camp but I sure as hell will stay in a spot if it’s getting me kills. However, I sometimes sneak in realism mode while moving and people think I’m camping.

[Dixiedevil]

Ah yes, campers. Ya know, kids, back in the day we just called them fags. Here in 2019 to say that Modern Warfare has a fag problem would be incredibly offensive and problematic. I, for one, am glad we don’t say that any more.

[feenix-5]

Why do you all always piss and moan about "campers" FFS man give it a break, you're worse than the Leftist media

[Kaii]

Don't own my copy, a friend remembered the old days and was like try it, the weapon customization is badass, It is "badass".

But that's overshadowed by these maps, I can't like not one of these maps, 2Yrs and these 6 maps for 6v6 are the fucking worst, don't even get me started on the bridge map, and that's not even a case of "bad spawns" you can shoot from the fucking bridge to the spawn point, no lane protection, ow wait this game doesn't really feature lanes.

SBMM - I think you can be lectured whatever side of the fence you fall on, every tryhard wants the 30+ kills 2 death type games, I was getting railroaded by not this system alone but what It gave me In teammates, the breaking of the lobby for the sole purpose either not to map vote, (let's be frank, I wouldn't be arsed anyway) but to match it upon your avg score.

Footsteps + Callouts = Didn't they have alpha/beta+closed testing & THIS is your opening pitch, who THOUGHT this was a good idea, holy moly cow xD

Closing remarks, I'll finish the campaign and probably won't touch the game again, I'm not acting like Its an Inherityly bad game design, just the boat has some leaks and needs some patching up.

[Knightofelemia]

COD has always stood for Campers On Demand

[The7Reaper]

It's the horrendous spawns that I hate, camping sucks but the people that spend money on the game can play how they like but I'm getting sick of spawning in the same general area that a whole team just gang banged me at

[Sophisticated_Chap]

The only people who complain about camping, are the ones who run around like they're playing Halo or Doom. CoD is a military shooter, and while it isn't tactical like Rainbow Six or Ghost Recon, it should not be a total clown show with people doing 360 no-scopes and stupid crap like that. If you're into that kind of gameplay, then go play Black Ops 4.

[TheHan]

No it doesn’t. The problem with cry babies today is that they want a easy going run and gun game. Which kills it for everyone else who enjoys a actual shooter that requires you to slow down a bit and think. Instead of this mindless running and gunning which I used to do when I was younger. These young kids these days cry about every fucking good thing that can happen. Just to turn around and ruin it for the rest of us. The problem with people is that their trying to play this COD like all the other mindless entries before in the series. I quit COD a long time ago and never looked back sense. But now you have people melting over some camping and other shit that may require you to think around some claymores or to use tactical equipment to take your opponents out. (Just a rant) but it’s true

[Banjorol]

Campers gonna camp

[jjb1981]

It gets annoying to watch campers shooting at a spawn point because they have line of sight. When there is no gunfire being heard, you know that Campfest 2019 has begun.

[CaptainOmega]

It’s always had a camping problem.

it doesn’t help that the footsteps are so loud that in killcams you see people being aware of them enough to anticipate where you are.

[Nickrobbins]

Camping in shooters is much the same as people who pass across the goal in fifa rather than showing some skill and shooting themselves, both are perfectly valid ways of getting kills/goals but they both royally get on my nerves

[davetheAndroid]

Camping ( map design) + "netcode" (lag on a wired connection)= not fun

[X-23]

Promoting movement in CoD doesn't help anything, that's what the last couple of games did with the boost jumping, wall running etc and people say those games are fundamentally worse. Then they produce a video about their servers and how whatever you see happening on your screen 9 times out of 10 its not happening that way on the persons who just killed you.
CoD is just You Win Some You Lose Some the Game.

[J-DARKnes]

Does every cod have a camping problem? The maps design are the biggest problem for me. Too many doors you have no choice but to camp in most maps

[wisdominloyalty]

Much this can be attributed to slower COD gameplay this time around and much adjusted need to be made by both veteran and returning playing.

I have been having a blast with the game since launch and have found the following would seriously help people struggling with multiplayer -

- Try to adopt patience and wait for the opportunity to present itself in gun fight
- Know your weapon and tweak to to match your playstyle
- Observe the HUD (Compass) at all time for enemy location

and lastly I have found that knowing how to use an assault rifle at long range really helps + not aiming in the direction of your teammates already have covered helps a lot too!

[irishyort]

I camped in elevated window rooms on maps, averaged 9 kd on game modes counting kd. Gorilla runs under 1.0, normal play 1.5
Im still only level 13 so no real gun buffs, but the above says a lot. It's a campers paradise unfortunately
I hate camping but you gotta go for the W right!

[vulsker]

Every shooter of this nature has had a camping problem. I don't notice it more but it is about the same.

[gtxgamer2]

They just need to fix spawning and spawn camping. Sometimes I spawn next to an enemy that's spawning as well

[Emartini1222]

I don't want to trigger people here but I dont see any issues with camping. We've had years of mindless running and gunning with these other call of duties. I think spawning needs to be tweaked. I can't tell you how many times I spawn and a player from the opposing team is right there after taking 2 steps after respawning. And btw I don't mind camping or running and gunning. I'm just saying its nice to see a change of play style due to the game and its maps. I've been playing COD FOR YEARS and can say that after the past few years COD has been favoring a run and gun play style. I believe Modern Warfare, MW2, WAW AND BLACK OPS favored camping. I also want to add THIS GAME DOESN'T EVEN FEEL LIKE A CALL OF DUTY WITH THIS NEW ENGINE. THE PLAYERS MOVES LIKE RAINBOW SIX SIEGE AND THIS GAME LOOKS AND SOUNDS LIKE A BATTLEFIELD GAME. Just wondering does anyone agree???? I feel like the players move around the map much slower.

[SillyBastid]

Call of Duty has been so broken for the past decade; I am very happy with the changes they've made. It promotes a slower paced approach to attacking your enemy. Of course that is going to promote some sort of camping; but there are ways to attack them and thats what matters most.

[CaptainOmega]

I remember Call of Duty 2 on Xbox 360.. I remember every game I was in ppl were always running around, I don’t remember a single camper.

[darklaw]

All the run and gunners hate campers, all the campers hate sprinters, but catching either one unaware is awesome. Its a play style.

My buddy had a deformity and his left hand is up by his shoulder, he has to camp if he wants to play, he doesnt have the reaction speed to run around, Older people as well don't have the same reaction speed as the younger ones and they camp too. Its a play style, and you need all different kinds to make games fun.

[JeffGUNZ]

The problem is so deep with dumb decisions added in this game. First, footsteps are so loud in this game, people are terrified to move because it is impossible to sneak up on anyone. Added with removing the red dot from the minimap when someone shoots and giant maps with way too many places to hide, the result is an absolute camp fest. Even when you crouch walk it sounds like I am being chased by a T-Rex. Also, they added this moronic feature where you're character shouts every action out loud. Anytime an enemy is technically in range your player shouts "CONTACT" and the other team hears it. So if somehow you can try to sneak behind someone it gets ruined by this feature. This game is just so heavily influenced to camp. They need to address this or this game will be dead soon. So many fans are extremely unhappy with this game in this state.

[gazgriff2k12]

its had a camping problem since the original modern warfare

[Dandizzle]

Camping and campers make the game boring. Who cares about your k/d ratio... you know who, Losers who need a game to tell them they are not a loser. I mean sure its nice to have a good k/d ratio but not at the cost of making the game boring.

[LordJamar]

That’s why they had the 3 lane system in black ops 4 it discourages camping but every one kept claiming the 3 lane system sucked well look at what you got now idiots

[WorldGamer]

What I find funny about these complaints is that there seems to be selective outrage. We have seen folks get up in arms about women being included in games because it's not "historically" accurate or realistic. Still, with the current version of COD, people are now upset because of "camping."
If we take this accuracy logic and apply it here, it can be argued that favoring cover and deliberate movements over a more run-and-gun style makes the game more accurate. Consider if you are in a real gunfight, do you run out into the open, or take cover and try to take people out with well-placed shots?
The style that rewards camping may be an extension of the realism they were going for this time around, and it may not be for everyone. But to say that they are doing something wrong because your style is more run-and-gun is quite silly.
I, for one, hope they preserve the game how it is. If you want a more fast-paced version of COD, there are many other versions you can happily play and enjoy right now.
I sympathize with these game developers; it seems like anything they do will bring out the naysayers.

[Christopher]

I 100% expected this to be an mp1st article after seeing this: https://youtu.be/70hAyaLUr_...