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Phil Spencer likes the idea of giving Mixer benefits to Xbox Game Pass members

Phil Spencer has gone to twitter to speak directly with gamers once again, saying "We are always listening and learning. Lot's of people have suggested we find some connection between XGPU and Mixer subs which makes a ton of sense, good ideas."
Since popular video game streamer Ninja made the switch from market leader Twitch to Microsoft’s Mixer service, the video games industry is starting to look at the underdog quite differently. Mixer can certainly attract new users with its industry-leading Faster than Light (FTL) streaming protocol, interactive “Mixplay” features, and deep integrations on Windows 10 and Xbox One.

lxeasy1735d ago

I'll take some more Xbox Gamepass perks. Why not, its already an amazing service.

_SilverHawk_1735d ago (Edited 1735d ago )

I wonder if he likes the idea of having games on a gaming console like the xbox

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lxeasy1735d ago

@_silverHawk_....... corny

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Kingthrash3601733d ago (Edited 1733d ago )

Out of that 1040 games...how many were MS games? Then check how many were new AAA ips....the calculate the percentage.

Also where did you go on Google that said xbox has "roughly 1040" playable games? Could have swore xbox one has way more than 1040...show link

jmetalhead778121733d ago

@kingtrash

What does it matter? Games are games. Xbox has no shortage of them. I’ve had zero issue with how many, or the quality of games on Xbox. Whatever your choice is must suck to continually troll Xbox articles. Me on the other hand barely have time to check on Xbox news, which is where I get to chose from over 350 games on all my storage. Would love to hear your pointless, meaningless response... you are mildly amusing

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Obscure_Observer1735d ago

Phil Spencer making GP even better!

lxeasy1735d ago

Love Gamepass. It's going to be even better next gen. So many games are going to be on it, as if we didn't have enough already.

Kribwalker1734d ago

@lxeasy

I think so too. I’m happy i took advantage of the Ultimate offer and have live and gamespass until 2022 now. I’m set up for years

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Srhalo1735d ago

"Since popular video game streamer Ninja made the switch from market leader Twitch to Microsoft’s Mixer service, the video games industry is starting to look at the underdog quite differently"

Yea... I'm going to have to say no. The only thing we learned is Microsoft has to pay to get people to use Mixer.

True story about a youtube community that I know, When Microsoft started Mixer they were offering all the people from this community lucrative monetary agreements to switch to Mixer. After a year they were all back on Twitch. I'm not going to say that Microsoft will let that happen with Ninja, but I am just saying Microsoft used those people then let them go when they either didn't bring enough users in or Microsoft just wasn't interested anymore.

If your a streamer and you want to grow a community Twitch is the place to be.

Jin_Sakai1735d ago (Edited 1735d ago )

Microsoft having to pay Ninja a rumored “50 million” to use Mixer just shows how desperate they are.

lxeasy1735d ago

They're the richest company in the world, believe me they are not desperate lmaol. Also Mixer Numbers keep going up every quarter, they are simply continuing that trend by making smart business moves, like acquiring the worlds most famous gaming streamer Ninja.

Atom6661735d ago

Zion's deal with Nike is allegedly 12+ million a year. Shows you how desperate Nike is to sell its product....

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gangsta_red1735d ago

@Tekiz

"Your argument doesn't put a good spin on Microsoft..."

That's not the argument, the point is a lot of companies do this. But only one gets raked over the coals for normal these business practices.

Atom6661734d ago

@tekiz

Did Microsoft sign Zion too? Holy crap!

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Jin_Sakai1734d ago (Edited 1734d ago )

“They're the richest company in the world, believe me they are not desperate lmaol.”

The may have the largest market cap but they're not the richest company by revenue. As a matter of fact hey're not even in the top 60.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/...

darthv721734d ago

But when are rumors ever really true? I heard a rumor that Jin is really a closet xbox fan but doesnt want people to know.

Zeegamereh1733d ago

Ninja was always part of the Xbox family anyways lol he was a Halo pro for about 7/8 years before being a huge fortnite streamer

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quent1733d ago

Still a better investment then Gaika, Sony still ended up asking it's competor for help with cloud gaming, desperate huh

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timotim1733d ago

Mixer is a business...its no different than teams trading for other players, or players going into to free agency in sports...they do it for MONEY!!! Ninja is his own owner...he will make moves that benefits his own career...period. He went in talks with Microsoft to switch teams and Microsoft made it lucrative enough for that to happen...its called BUSINESS. Its the same business that had Sony in talks with Microsoft for Azure...BUSINESS. You guys see everything from a childish point of view.

rainslacker1733d ago

@tim

In the meantime, how many of the people here are all over epics ass for needing to get exclusives to promote their store?

Not calling you out or anything, I just dont see much difference in paying for content to entice viewers/users to add to their numbers. If MS feels spending a lot of money is going to benefit them in the end, they'll do what they have to do.

I personally dont care. Streaming service wars seem silly.

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SkatterBrain1733d ago

whos Ninja? the guy from Dieantwood? Why Didnt they just get the Most Well Known Youtuber PewDiePie, i cant imagine who hasnt heard of PewDiePie

RosweeSon1733d ago

Well if they think spending money on streamers if gonna get them back in the console race they seriously mistaken that money could have been much better spent. The day I buy a console due to a streamer is waaaaaay off. It’s never gonna happen for me. Make me some games (banjo3 or a new perfect dark) and I’m in. Not cos some streamer jumped ship for a payday.

Lon3wolf1732d ago

"The may have the largest market cap but they're not the richest company by revenue."

No but they are among the wealthiest, higher than Walmart that top the list you linked to.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/...

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lxeasy1735d ago

its called business. Microsoft isn't the only company that does this. All companies do the same business practices to ensure that they succeed. There's nothing desperate about it, its common practice.

Srhalo1735d ago

I didn't say it was desperate... but you did, why do you think that is?

RosweeSon1733d ago (Edited 1733d ago )

Except for Sony and Nintendo who are too busy with games than the people who make money off of playing them on streaming sites. Something I never watch myself rather be playing myself than have someone talking all over the top and ruining games I’ve paid for. No thanks. Also am I gonna agree or get with anything this guy has to say, no very doubtful when I know he’s been paid for it. So he’s of course gonna big up his boss’ Microsoft or whoever, Meh

lxeasy1735d ago

I was referring to Jin Sakai not you lol.

NarooN1733d ago

A few days ago I looked at the requirements for reaching Mixer Partner status and they're batshit insane. You need a minimum of 2,000 followers to even be considered for it. The overwhelming vast majority of streamers don't have anywhere close to that so the people who aren't already e-famous have no chance.

They have a section on their site that lists possible scenarios for "special consideration" for bypassing the 2k requirement, and all you need to do is have either 1+ million YouTube subscribers or have a few million followers on social media! Yay!

I used to wonder why Mixer is so relatively unknown, and found out why when I saw that. They don't even have an Affiliate program so it's Partner or bust. There's not any unique features that Mixer has that justifies small/average streamers making the jump from Twitch. Ninja could afford to do so because not only was he already filthy rich but they straight up paid him an insane amount to jump over. They're delusional if they think anybody who is actually trying to build a community isn't already famous is gonna give them time of day with their ludicrous requirements.

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NeoGamer2321733d ago

And how else can you try and beat a much larger competitor in an market where they pretty much have a monopoly.

I'm not saying I condone this because I think celebrity endorsements and exclusivity is just stupid. But, it does work to get people onboard. Especially when you are competing against an entrenched competitor.

Strategically, with the cloud agreement between MS and Sony I could see them both going Mixer in the future as feeding Twitch will be feeding Amazon gaming services. Gaming is turning into a Massive Player's industry. Google, Amazon, and MS vying for gaming cloud dominance with their massive data center presence.

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ufo8mycat1733d ago

How about liking the idea of having great exclusive games on your console? XBOne exclusives, as rare as they are, are sub par at best, and all the other games (Multiplatform) on it, can be played on other/better platforms. One of the most disappointing consoles ever.

I get it, the “PlayStation” brand is huge, but the reason the PS4 has been so successful is because of GAMES. Hopefully Microsoft get their shit together next gen.

gamer78041733d ago

1 free sub would be nice like amazon prime

timotim1733d ago (Edited 1733d ago )

I also like this idea. This instantly gives Mixer more gamers with benefits, whats not to like. Keep making good consumer/gamer friendly decisions Microsoft...doing a great job.

rainslacker1733d ago

Who would get the benefit? The streamer or the viewer? Are there really any perks worth mentioning for the viewer? You click a stream and watch. Pretty much anything you'd want to do with casting or whatever is ubiquitous among the different services. What more could they give the viewer?

If it's the streamers, why just give the benefits to xbl customers. That should be open to all like the other services.

I just dont see the benefit of a walled garden when it comes to streaming services like that unless MS wants to take it in the direction of higher quality content and be more like netflix.

timotim1732d ago (Edited 1732d ago )

The streamer in the case of Mixer...the gamer in the case of XGP...thought that was obvious. You understand that a gamer can also be a streamer right?

rainslacker1732d ago

I understand, I just wasnt sure why this would have to be a game pass benefit. Why out a paywall on something like that, which is what I was thinking.

If he was just talking about expanding it to game pass users regardless of platform, which i thought might be the case after I made comments about it, then that's cool. It was the terminology that made me think thatd it be an extra perk for GP users, as opposed to a feature added to their expanded platform.

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Xbox Has No Idea What They're Doing, and I'm Not Sure They Ever Did

Nirav from GL writes: "If the makers of a GOTY competitor that outdid sales and Game Pass expectations and owned by the richest company in the world cannot stay open - what hope is there for everyone else?"

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Christopher3h ago

***If the makers of a GOTY competitor that outdid sales and Game Pass expectations and owned by the richest company in the world cannot stay open - what hope is there for everyone else?***

None if you stay in an arena of corporate driven metrics. And this is what happens when you allow publishers to buy up massive amounts of studios and IPs. There's only so much internal competition and the focus in the end will remain on those who look best on a spreadsheet.

Players can be so driven by what is best for them and only see what is put right in front of them. But that's not what is best for them. They are being lied to constantly, as seen by Microsoft's ridiculous praise for Hi-Fi Rush and Phil's lies about Redfall prior to release and how big of a supporter of both studios he has been. But, instead of thinking "wait, this corporation wants me to think this way, should I be listening to them and believing them?" players eat it up and go "OMG, did you hear what they said! They're just like us and they know what's best for the industry."

And because of this single-mindedness of the majority of gamers, we are where we are now. Massive layoffs. Massive studio closures. Games that we were told were representative of the core values of said corporations shelved and studios behind them shuttered. The truth is coming to bear because the truth all along was only what the numbers in an excel spreadsheet told the corporate suits.

If you truly want what is best for the industry, what is best for developers, then you need to support Indie games, support developers that maintain control over their IPs and direction, support boutique publishers who only exist to help Indies make it out the door and don't own the IP. Stop supporting major corporations with your money or you devotion. Stop playing their games, and I don't mean video games, but their marketing, their double speak, their guy without a tie who says things you want to hear PR, their future of video gaming concepts as if we were hurting for new ways to play games other than installing/downloading and playing them, and especially any slogan from them that gives the impression that they are for you, the consumer. They are not. You're merely a value on a spreadsheet.

Christopher2h ago

Sure, I'm the one drinking the koolaid. Keep believing in the corporations. They definitely have your best interests in mind. All hail the Big Green, For You Blue, and Nostalgia Red! All praise big corporations buying up other publishers. All praise the inevitable spreadsheet adjustments. For greed, not the players.

Tody_ZA25m ago

This should not be surprising to any of you. We have been saying for MONTHS that Game Pass is not sustainable and that these acquisitions will come at a massive cost to the industry. People refused to grasp the difference between buying and investing in a developer like Insomniac or Housemarque, and buying the entire publisher. People refused to accept that spending billions to acquire the biggest publishers in gaming means you have to RECOUP those costs, and you aren't going to do it without consolidation, focusing on core IP that sells, creating revenue streams via ownership and releasing on other platforms, and closing down studios that are superfluous to the budget requirements. You will not recoup those costs by investing in risky new IP or creative new games and studios.

No, people cheered Microsoft on like they were delivering GOTY titles to their door and pouring money into the industry to grow Indies and triple A projects.

You are getting what you deserve. You take the consequences of the practices you supported.

Layoffs happen. Some games don't succeed. Everyone has seen it happen. Happens even to the winners.

This, however, is goddamn shambolic and if you can't see it now then there's no helping you and you should keep enjoying the "value" of Game Pass while contributing nothing to this industry.

I've never seen the developer of one of the best games of the year get axed before.

Ninja Theory is next after Hellblade 2, I can see them going independent again. There's more to come from MS.

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Former Blizzard President Says Closures Hurt Phil Spencer 'as Much as Anyone Else'

The former president of Blizzard Mike Ybarra in a statement on Twitter says Microsoft Gaming CEO is hurting just as much as anyone else following the closure of three studios under Bethesda - Arkane Austin, Tango Gameworks, and Alpha Dog Studios. Roundhouse Games is also joining ZeniMax Online Studios.

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jambola11h ago

Yeahhh I doubt it's hurting a millionaire as much as it's hurting fans and people who lost their jobs

Name Last Name6h ago

Phil is the only guy in the industry that has plot armor.

Tody_ZA6h ago

Hahahahahahaha! xD Legendary comment.

lelo2play3h ago(Edited 3h ago)

At this moment, even Xbox fanboys are starting to hate Microsoft. It's fu**up, after fu**up, after fu**up... that's the state of Microsoft gaming.
Purchasing developers left and right, then killing them off...

Phil was the worst thing that happend to Xbox. Might as well just shut down their gaming division and fu** off

Jingsing8h ago

I can already hear Jim Ross.. He has a family damnit!

Barlos6h ago

Poor Phil. He must be crying into his bonus cheques. Makes your heart bleed doesn't it?

MrDead5h ago(Edited 5h ago)

I'm sure he'll be upset that those cheques contain a small percentage of money MS is still making from the closed studios games too. Next time someone purchases High-fi Rush or Evil within all that money is now just Microsofts, just think the former devs at Tango who made Hi-fi Rush MS's most highly acclaimed game in years will get nothing more.

MS are buying these publishers for the big IP's like Elder Scrolls and Call of Duty they have little interest in the ones that don't make huge profits... and firing thousands and closing studios looks good on the next quarterly shareholder report. Gotta protect the share price.

Eonjay9h ago(Edited 9h ago)

This is all coming from the executive who thinks we should have the option to tip devs... apparently so publishers can pay devs minimum wage. Will someone think of the C-suite executives!!!

dumahim5h ago(Edited 5h ago)

That was from a former Blizzard exec. Did Phil make a comment on that also?

edit: Oh, it wasn't Phil who said this himself.

LucasRuinedChildhood9h ago(Edited 9h ago)

Yeah, the guy making $10m a year is hurting as much as those who have lost their jobs and are worrying about their future and supporting their family. /s

It takes a real lack of shame to even try put the Good Guy Phil™ spin on this. It's not going to work this time.

Profchaos9h ago

He's sitting around feeling sorry when he should of been doing everything in his power to get people jobs in other studios you're telling me after toys for Bob split from Activision there wasn't a opening in the call of duty mines for arkane it's just woah is me.

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After the Helldivers 2 Controversy, Players Have Trouble Deleting New PSN Accounts

After the whole fiasco with Sony and Helldivers 2 Community has neded, players report that they are unable to delete their PSN accounts.

Kaii2d ago

can't delete account due to security reasons o_O
That sounds about right lol

Inb4 people mention it explicitly states it somewhere in the EULA, next up everybody pull out ya wands and make the unbreakable vow for eternal corporate servitude.

anast8h ago

Not sure why you got downvotes.

INMATEofARKHAM8h ago

You must be new here. This is Sony country.

gigoran89h ago

because an account tied to an email that is likely a burner is going to end the world

Goodguy011h ago

I really wish gamers would also step up against every other 3rd party app/sign in required game out there. Sigining in to psn is no different than gta, ubi and ea games.