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The begging for a Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice easy mode is insulting

The people begging for a Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice easy mode are insulting From Software by asking them to accommodate bandwagoners.

deadfrag1867d ago

I really hope FromSoftware dont end making an easy mode...but if they do lock all the achievements and trophys on that mode or just add only one that express that the game was Finnish on easy mode.But i really hope they dont ever had easy mode and keep there vision.

pandehz1867d ago

I think From Software takes it as a huge compliment that many people want to experience the game but a little more relaxed version due to time constraints and what not.

Hungryalpaca1867d ago

The games aren’t very long. It’s just a matter of patience and timing in their games and pattern memorization.

tontontam01867d ago

Then people and critics are going to review bomb the games for being a generic button masher game.

Shadowsteal1867d ago

Asking for an easy mode on a FromSoft game is like asking for a well done steak.

Kitt921867d ago

Strongly disagreed he difficulty is what makes their games so good not every game has to be made for everyone and that’s okay different people like different things

AspiringProGenji1867d ago (Edited 1867d ago )

Time constraints is just an excuse. The game isn’t even that long and once you master it is mot hard. Learn the game people smh...

You have a Witcher avatar... would you want CDPR to cut the lenght of the game in half due to time constraints?

froy4021867d ago

Time restraints? What's wrong with playing 45 min or so and just managing to make it to the next checkpoint

william_cade1867d ago (Edited 1867d ago )

I'm super busy and had no problem playing From's games other than them being challenging. sometimes I play and die and go back to work.

If it's a "journalist" thing then fuck them, seriously. They get free codes to the deluxe editions with xp boosters that we have to pay for just to experience the game as intended, while the rest of us can usually only afford the standard edition of games (the incomplete version).

Sekiro is a fair to everyone and they want to change that for the small percentage of marketing extensions and at the same time call us entitled. Yeah, no. Like the article said it's insulting.

Knushwood Butt1867d ago

Didn't someone speed run this in 40 mins?

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Zenbaby3691866d ago

If a developer truly cares more about their vision than what is obviously a LOT of people. Then fine, they can be selfish. That is what it is, so call it what it is, it's selfish. Which is what every single person here who is against them having an "easier mode" is. They enjoy the challenge and love it. They don't want their "little brother" to enjoy it like they did. We don't live in the past, we do have the option for game modes. That is a gOOD thing. So stop bringing up the "good ole days" because difficulty options aren't bad, we can quit acting like they are. How someone else feels is of no consequence to you. You don't need validation from your peers knowing that you beat a game, or do you? If so...I feel sorry for you :)

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sampsonon1867d ago

why is it that you care again? especially when you can play it on hard still?
i can understand if if it was a multplayer game where someone would be at a disadvantage.
but buying a game worrying about someone else somewhere in the world playing it the way they want is insane.

DaDrunkenJester1867d ago

It's about keeping the developers vision and the experience they wanted to create. It's not about catering to people who arent willing to play the game the way they intended

Shikoku1867d ago

I love how people want to "keep the developer's vision and the experience they wanted to create" matter with these games but others its just who cares lol.

DrumBeat1867d ago (Edited 1867d ago )

I'll leave this here... again.

When a developer makes a game, they lay down a series of challenges for you to overcome. Meet the challenge, or don't, but don't you dare try to impose your snivelry onto a game. Don't attempt to reduce or dumb down someone else's work. Do fucking not.

When I was growing up we played games with no modes. The challenge was set, and we either met it or we didn't. Appreciate and respect the artist's work.

Adding an 'easy mode' WOULD affect us ALL. It would also undermine, insult, and yes, infringe upon the people who made the game. They made a specific challenge to be overcome and mastered.

How would it affect everyone else, you ask? It gives EVERYONE the option to choose the 'EASY' way instead of taking the challenge THE DEVELOPER WANTED us to take.

If the creator WANTS levels of difficulty, that's totally fine, but this developer doesn't, and goddammit you should respect that.

hiawa231867d ago (Edited 1867d ago )

I agree 100%. I am fine with Sekiro as it is, but as a gamer who has been gaming since the early 80s, at this stage I don't use games to measure my sack, and just want to enjoy them.
The level of enjoyment is different for all gamers, so I feel the more people you can appeal to, the more gamers you can get playing your games the better, for all gamers. I am all for the devs adding an easier mode for this game for those who may want it. It doesn't add or take away from anyone else's games. As far as trophies and achievements goes, who really cares about another gamers trophies or achievements,? I don't.

BigTrain1867d ago

This right here. Whoever has a problem with easy mode needs to get a life. Not everyone has hours upon hours to grind away playing games. The game had a decent amount cool adverts and people picked it up thinking that it might be a somewhat demanding action game but found out it had difficulty on another level. If the dev puts in an easy mode I'd give them more respect for not squeezing their entire fan base into the Impossible difficulty box. Don't want an easy mode, don't select it. It's that simple.

ArchangelMike1867d ago (Edited 1867d ago )

@sampsonon

You're missing the point.

A creator (developer) has a vision for a game. They put their time and energy into creating a game that they envision. Only for people to say, "make the game the way I want the game to be".
Now take that mentality and apply it across the board.

I find Fortnite inaccessible because of the building. So can I start a petition for EPIC to remove building from the game? Or What about Devil MAy Cry 5 - It's just way too hard for ME to get S rank combo's, so should I start a campaing for Capcom to please dumb down the game just for me? OR WHat about Resident Evil Remake, it was just way too hard for ME so can they please make it easier just for ME please.

My goodness! Let the developers create what they want to create, and implement it how they deem best for their game. The throttling of creative freedom is exacty what companies like EA, Activition and Ubisoft do to their games and they usually always end up as mass market mediocre experiences. The reason From SOFT have excelled is precisely because they don't do mass market dumbed down experiences. They appeal to those gamers who have the grit to take time learning the mechanics of the game. Appealing to noobs and casuals is definaterly not the right way to go with these franchises.

RacerX1867d ago

You want developers to keep their vision and their experience..... But outrage when their vision and experience disagrees with you politics, or when their vision includes loot boxes.... Just sayin'.

Knushwood Butt1867d ago

Agree with DrumBeat.

For entitled gamers, there are thousands of alternatives. Go play something else or raise your game. Alternatively, just watch a stream of somebody else playing it.

sampsonon1867d ago

@Knushwood Butt:
"For entitled gamers, there are thousands of alternatives. Go play something else or raise your game. Alternatively, just watch a stream of somebody else playing it."

It's a single player game. why do you care? i could be playing it right now on an easier mode.... how has that changed your life? did you feel sick? are you unable to eat? did it effect your game?

f they had a setting it wouldn't matter because you could play the hard version. and you could even gloat about it.
hello? you there?

SOMEONE CALL AN AMBULANCE! he found out someone was playing the game in their home on a easier mode. 911!

Knushwood Butt1867d ago

I care because I value variety in game genres. This developer has a reputation for challenging, single player games. They cater to a certain audience. If they water it down they weaken their brand.

The rest of your comments make it difficult to take you seriously.

milohighclub1867d ago

Dadrunkejester

But their vision will still be there in the standard difficulty adding an easier mode affects absolutely nothing for the soulsfan.

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monkey6021867d ago

I think all the whinging here from the journalist side of the argument should be insulting to FromSoft.
They've developed absolute art with their souls series and are well renown for it now. The games are clearly designed from the ground up with very fine attention to difficulty in mind, so the game is difficult but will always be possible to overcome.

The argument people have about time constraints doesnt work either. If someone says they can't find the time to waste dying and repeating the same bosses over and over until they grasp the concept of the attack patterns and tells then the game simply isn't for them. The entire series is built on that foundation of risking everything for the glory of accomplishment through skill and perseverance. That is an absolutely perfect reason not to like the game, it is not an acceptable one to have the developer change their vision and work. It would be a betrayal to the entire game to remove that system.

The simple fact is that if the game is too difficult you either need to put the effort in to get better or come to the realisation that you just don't enjoy this type of experience and move on

rainslacker1867d ago

Difficulty doesn't have to change the actual gameplay. It can be something as simple as being more forgiving of mistakes, or in some cases, taking less damage, or more frequent checkpoints.

They can keep their vision and make the normal mode the current way they do things, and just have the easy mode an option. Give the trophy for completion to the hard modes, and call it a day. These games are praised for their quality, so they get attention, but not everyone hears they're not as easy as other games. That turns them off of the game, as if you're not expecting it, the frustration tends to lead people to quit and wonder why people thought it was so good in the first place. That's how the real world works at least.

RacerX1867d ago

I find it funny how "insulted" and "outraged" some gamers are, that a different gamer sitting in his own home wants to play the game with an easier mode. The arguments are so dumb, you all have too much time on your hands if you care how someone else enjoys a video game... Let alone, care enough to actually be angry about it.

monkey6021867d ago

Personally I'm not insulted or angry in any way, shape or form.
I couldn't care if they made an easy mode really.

I would just understand if FromSoft were insulted at the gaming journalists throwing them under the bus. When they should be defending them.
In a way I can understand that some people could want this game to be more accessible but in a market currently flooded with other options those people could just move on and leave FromSoft to do what they do best.

RacerX you'd be seriously mistaken to think I'm angry or upset. Or that I've let this discussion consume my day in some way.
I'm simply throwing my 2 cents into a discussion about a hobby of mine. Same as you just have

frostypants1867d ago (Edited 1867d ago )

I'd actually love it if they offered an easy mode...that could only be unlocked in NG+. Just to screw with people.

harmny1867d ago (Edited 1867d ago )

Trophies and achievements? So that's your reason. Your ego. Hahahaha pathetic. "Look mommy I'm In the elite group of gamers that beat sekiro! I'm better than someone else! Look at all my trophies and achievements"

rainslacker1867d ago

I really hope we havent devolved so much that people are insulted over something so stupid that isn't even directed at them, and has no effect on them whatsoever. If ones self worth is tied to being able to complete these games when they're hard, and needs to be in that elite group to feel good about themselves, then they probably have bigger issues than is these games get an easy mode or not

hiawa231867d ago

My thoughts, exactly..

Uken121867d ago

I am a huge SoulsBorne fan. Played all of them hundreds of times. Invested countless hours into Dark Souls alone.
I was hoping Sekiro would be awesome. But to be honest it has problems. It is highly unbalanced and the mechanics actually make no sense.
The difficulty wouldn't be a problem if you could actually level up against it and didn't have to spend a bunch of time mastering the controls. Yes, mastering the controls. It's too high of a skill gap for people to even get into the game.
I don't really feel like spending all of that time learning every meticulous boss fight just beat that boss for absolutely no reward.

You receive trash experience from them and by the time you beat them all of your money and experience is gone anyways.
Unseen aid is absolutely pointless and stupid. You receive it from dying a lot. Well the standard enemies are dumb as hell, very easy. Mid Bosses and Bosses are frustratingly cheap. one or two hits. Thats not actually difficult, it's cheap. So you have to learn all of there moves and hope the bad camera angles and bad lock on doesn't screw you.
The lock on is bad because you randomly lock onto grapple points in an important fight, which will get you killed many times.

The move variety isn't there. No customization. Seriously just a highly watered down Souls game with bare bones mechanics. The boss fights are what it is about. It isn't a long game by any means. It is only long because you get stuck at a boss fight and just do it over and over again. It's a boring way to make a game "Hard".

Art Design and graphics wise. It looks beautiful. Cool enemies and environments. It's impossible boss fights really take away from the game. But it needs them because otherwise the game would be way too short and feel empty. Which it is.

Bloodborne was a simplified Dark Souls. Made more mainstream. Sekiro is a simplified Bloodborne.

Also the farming is highly annoying and sucks. Just like Vanilla Bloodborne and having to constantly farm for bloodviles and bullets. Which they ended up changing, why? Because it was designed poorly and made the game tedious. It took away from the action and was annoying.

I like my games with difficulty but this game is just cheap. I've beat Ninja Gaiden on OG Xbox on the hardest difficult, Beat Legendary on Halo, Beat Champions road in Mario 3D World, beat Crystal Man's crap level in Megaman 5.

Sekiro's difficulty annoys me and makes me not want to play it. It makes it not fun. It's is trying to be an action game but you are punished for it. The only way to level up is to find an area to run through the Meatsim enemies. And just farm experience and gold. Boring and there is no reward. Nothing to collect.

This should be labelled as a Boss Fight game. It's just not that fun. If I want to get meticulous at fighting in a video game. I will just play an actual fighting game. It's the laziest From Software game to date. They should take a break from yearly releases and spend more time on a more well thought out game.

Dspdspes1867d ago

I can't believe what I just read......

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Alek831867d ago

As long as most trophies and achievements can only be received in the original (current) difficulty, I don't really care if they introduce an easy mode. The game would just be boring and unrewarding, but whatever.

sampsonon1867d ago

i think when people say easier mode they don't me LALALA mode. more of a medium mode more than anything.
and i think having a different trophy list will stop the man tears from falling.

Hungryalpaca1867d ago

The games aren’t that hard. They’re about timing, reaction and patience. The games difficulty is built around that.

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sampsonon1867d ago

@Hungryalpaca: i know that's what it takes. and i wouldn't be playing on an easier mode. but like people have been stating in the comment section. there are people that work long hours, have kids, you know, other things that take precedent over gaming. so having a mode that one doesn't have to grind for the 5 - 6 hrs.

i don't understand how you guys don't see just how immature it sounds when people are fighting to keep something out of reach of others. especially when it doesn't affect them in any way.
if it was a multiplayer situation and it affected their game play i could understand.
but yeah.

FunAndGun1867d ago

If you are that pressed for time to play, then just watch a YouTube video playthrough. You can experience the whole game and don't have to deal with the pesky gameplay portion of the game.

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rainslacker1867d ago

Why would you care. The plat can be locked behind the hard mode completion like many games already do. Is your ego so precious that you need to prove yourself bu your trophies?

NeoGamer2321866d ago

If a game's rating of 9's and 10's is solely based on its difficulty that is pretty stupid. I like From software. Have fought through several of their games just to prove "I still have it" when it comes to difficult games. But, I do not give it a 9 or 10 just because it endlessly kills me, makes me doubt my gaming ability at times, and I end up buying a new controller after I "recycle" the current one in frustration. There is much more to these games.

I agree that achievements/trophies should be driven based on current difficulty.

Samus7071867d ago

It really IS insulting and bums me out about the gaming community right now. Speaks to the weakness and fragility of the people who are unable to beat the game. They can't accept their own inadequacy and so they blame the game for not being tuned to their skill level. It's the equivalent of a needing a participation trophy in sports. What a joke.

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Indigon1867d ago (Edited 1867d ago )

An easy mode would not take away the experience. If you don't want to experience a watered down game just don't select easy mode.

sampsonon1867d ago

you can't reason with ignorant people I'm afraid.

NXFather1867d ago

I would have said stupid since ignorant people can learn and be informed. Some people insists against factual truth and evidence.

ArchangelMike1867d ago

I know exaclt how you feel.

It's because of these same cry babies that big game publishers now exploit them with microtransactions, booster packs, and "time savers" in practically every game, because people want someone else to butter their bread for them - because "it's just way too hard" and "takes up... omg!!! just way too much time". Then go play Candy Crush, or Mario or whatever. What you even looking at Sekiro for when you know it's just not your type of game?

Hungryalpaca1867d ago

It’s pretty clear you don’t play the games. Overcoming the challenges is what makes them unique. Take away the difficulty and the games quickly become boring. Just watch late game players go back to early areas and cleave through everything.

Indigon1867d ago

You are probably true but that's not a good reason to not have an easy mode. Apparently some gamers are requesting it. Having an easy mode does not affect your gameplay if you never select it.

rainslacker1867d ago

I find spending hours on one thing kind of boring. Even understanding it's supposed to be hard, I usually dont go away from such things feeling inspired that I finally got through. If something is that unforgiving to actually learning what needs to be done in other games, it's usually considered bad design.

I also think people assume that easy means a hold your hand mode, but there are ways to make a game easier without actually changing the nature of the game play to require timing, learning, or understanding like these games require.

Asuka1867d ago

Yes it does.

It cheapens my experience and makes my accomplishments feel worthless when I know someone else out there did it an easy way. Call it being selfish on my part or what have you. But that's just how I feel when I see someone else getting a "participation trophy" for accomplishing the same things I worked hard to achieve.

Xb1ps41867d ago

Lol really? Over a video game?

I work hard at my job... imagine how i feel knowing that there are ppl making millions while they sleep!

Now that makes my accomplishments feel worthless...

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Asuka1867d ago (Edited 1867d ago )

@Xb1ps4

I mean yeah it is just a video game. I'm not really mad about the video game or easy mode per se. More so the mentality behind it. Hence why I mentioned "participation trophy." I just can't stand that mentality of "I must be handed everything because I was born and I breathe thus I'm entitled." That is what I cannot stand. It's just how I feel.

but TBH as far as complaining about a video game I could give two s****. hell even the drama about epic game store exclusives I don't really give a f*** about. Just people whining because they have all the time in the world.

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rainslacker1867d ago (Edited 1867d ago )

So, the person completing the last of us on normal mode has the same accomplishment as the one who completed it on grounded mode?

Also, you should evaluate the importance trophies have on your self accomplishment. It is not the mark of being good at games, or you are a true gamer that you get a plat in these games.

People want to play the game. I dont think they're asking for that to get easy trophies or accomplishments. I have yet to see anyone ask them to change it so much they can get all the trophies easily, and hard mode completion trophies are a common staple in many games. It would affect you at all. It could even distinguish you from others who havent achieved the hard mode trophies.

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Onenyte1867d ago

Persevere or F**k off tbh

DarkZane1867d ago

I say it would take away from the experience. Having an easy mode would very likely have an impact on the normal difficulty game balance.

Indigon1867d ago

Why? If you don't choose the easy settings it's never going to affect you. If you don't pick it it basically isn't even there for your.

FunAndGun1867d ago

Just go watch a YouTube video playthrough if the gameplay in the game is too hard. You can 'experience' the game in a few hours that way....it would be very easy.

william_cade1866d ago

It won't take away from the game play (because you can choose not to), it will take away from the experience. From's entire cult following is based on being challenging and hard to access. You take that away, you also take away the mystique these games have i.e. the experience. Seriously you can't believe what you typed, it isn't even possible.

It's a fair and complete game and doesn't play favorites. Get a grip.

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Before Miyazaki Retires, We Need To Get A Sekiro Sequel

A sequel to the studio's acclaimed title, Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice, would be the perfect swan song for long-time video game director Hidetaka Miyazaki.

H933d ago

Man you didn't have to do me like that with the title

LoveSpuds33d ago

I just don't see it happening given the success of Elden Ring. I think we'll be seeing a sequel to Elden Ring before anything else.

Demetrius33d ago (Edited 33d ago )

I'm not into souls games but it's good to see that this dev studio stick to what makes their titles unique, there's alot of souls copy n pasted games but they rarely get talked about cause they're looked at as copies and not original created ideas, the souls games are unique cause they offer they're own identity instead imitating I respect that

jznrpg33d ago (Edited 33d ago )

Or Bloodborne 2 preferably both but that’s a lot to ask if he plans on retiring sooner than later

Leeroyw33d ago

Bloodborne 2 or I'd simply love a 60fps remaster. I'd also love a bloodborne randomiser option.

toxic-inferno32d ago

I'm definitely holding out hope for a Bloodborne 60fps remaster still. Some extra features thrown in would be nice too.

With regards to a sequel, I'd actually rather From Software make another new IP with a different setting. That is what made Bloodborne so good - the fact that it took a proven formula and applied it to a completely new setting.

anast32d ago

The hype would be insane if they announced Bloodborne 2.

Inverno33d ago

What if they made a Sekiro/Bloodborne mix?

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Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice is a Timeless Classic

With this feature, we will be taking a look at Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice all these years later and break down why it remains such a great time.

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Cacabunga36d ago

I regret i never played it, like many other great games!! Still on my radar, when i become retro gamer in a year or two with all this gaas crap happening around

Psychonaut8536d ago

Absolutely. Amazing art design, and didn’t have the Bloodborne problem so it runs at 60FPS on newer hardware, which is amazing given the reaction based gameplay

Cacabunga36d ago

Wait did it get a next gen patch??

Sciurus_vulgaris36d ago

This one title that never clicked with me. I enjoyed Dark Souls, Demon Souls and Bloodborne, but I never warmed up to Sekiro’s parry-focused combat. I honestly gave up on the game at about the half way point.

Armyofdarkness36d ago

Me too. But after the Stellar Blade demo and parrying like crazy I’m tempted to go back and play this again

Inverno36d ago

Took me a couple years too get into when I first bought it. I had gotten so used to Bloodborne that the gameplay was genuinely confusing me. Picked it up a third time and clicked. The game is souls stripped of all its RPG elements and left with nothing but it's combat. It's Souls at its pureness but I can see why the combat would turn people off. That's why I liked it so much tho, without the choice of weapons it's very focused on a specific style. I think a sequel with a small selection of weapons but each fleshed out would be the right step.

Sciurus_vulgaris36d ago

My problem with Sekiro was the combat, I didn’t find it as engaging as Bloodborne, DarkSouls due to the lack of RPG elements. I even found action games like Ninja Gaiden 1-2 and Ghost of Tsushima more engaging as well.

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The 7 Best Souls-Like Games - Mastering the Challenge

The Souls-like genre remains popular, along with FromSoftware's classics there are many contenders. But which are the best Souls-like games?

toxic-inferno44d ago

Hmm... In my opinion, the 7 best are the 6 made by FromSoftware (DeS, DS1, DS2, DS3, BB and ER), then Lies of P. But each to their own.

kevco3344d ago

Still DS1? You don't feel it's been surpassed yet?

Demon's Souls has the remake of course, but DS1 has surely been outdated?

Smellsforfree44d ago

I think that the DS1 remake is better looking than DS2. The interior lighting matched with the low resolution textures in DS2 is very garish, IMO.

Besides graphics, what do you mean by DS1 being "outdated"? I'm someone who played through Elden Ring and just recently played through the DS series, and as far as gameplay went, there were all very similar.

Cacabunga44d ago

I haven’t played many but Bloodborne and NIOH1 are on top of my list.. had a blast with these 2

toxic-inferno44d ago

For world design and interconnectedness (that's a word, right?) DS1 is yet to be beaten.

anast12d ago

All great games beside DS2.

toxic-inferno12d ago

I would agree, but there are some things in DS2 that are great and incredibly memorable. It tries to do things differently, and there are some amazingly cinematic moments.

Of course, there's also poor level design (particularly the interconnectivity of the world), questionable combat choices and some of the worst boss runs since the early days of video games...

anast12d ago

True. I can't disagree the game has some moments.