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The Future of Gaming is Subscription

What does it mean to “own” a game?

In video gaming’s infancy, it meant scribbling your name on the back of a gray NES cartridge. Today, it could mean having a physical copy of a disc in a box or having a digital copy on your PC or console hard drive.

But things start to get fuzzy when you think about programs like Xbox Live Gold and PlayStation Plus, which grant licenses for a handful of games on a monthly rotating basis. Do you “own” a “Games with Gold” title if you never let your membership lapse? Of course not, but the act of “purchasing” the game for “free” from the store during the month its available and retaining it over the long term aligns with the paradigm of ownership we’ve understood for years.

CP_Company1913d ago

no, it is not. blind delusional fanboys.

Godmars2901913d ago

Or paid advertisement disguised as opinion pieces. Or whatever this article is.

rainslacker1913d ago

And lots of people in the media who seem to love promoting it, but have a disdain for every other thing that people in the community seem to dislike.

The press loves to happily promote this stuff as if they are powerless to prevent it, when in fact, they have the most power to actually prevent removing options from the consumer. But they don't serve the community. They don't even serve the industry, they are just used by the industry. The press serves itself, because all they care about is clicks, and writing about stuff they know the readers aren't that keen on is a surefire hit to gain them revenue.

NeoGamer2321912d ago

I disagree.

I have EA Access, PS Now, and GamePass. They have saved me a ton of money. For about $350 / year I get a ton of content that would otherwise cost me $1,000's.

I would prefer if Sony would bring day one content to PSNow, add downloadable versions, add the ability to buy those games and improve the PC client a lot more, but, it allows me to play PS4 games when I travel away from my PS4 at home.

mcstorm1912d ago

People said the same thing when music passes came out that they won't take off ect because it's not the same as owning the CD ect. Look what happened there. Gaming is going down this rout to and if I'm honest I have gamepass and it has meant I have tried games I would not normally give a go and enjoyed them. It has also saved me a fortune on games I would of also picked up to.

I think as long as subscription gaming runs alongside people being able to buy the game I can see them both coexisting.

It also gives developers a chance to charge for DLC and I think more people would also pick it up due to having a subscription.

Its not for everyone but I think it will bring more people into gaming esp when they will have the option of streaming and not owning a £400 console or buying a £400 console just having access to 100s of games for x amount each month.

FinalFantasyFanatic1912d ago (Edited 1912d ago )

@Mcstorm,

I don't know what a music pass is and I've never heard of one, is it like Spotify? I would still be buying CDs if the quality of music hadn't declined so much over the past few decades.

ArchangelMike1913d ago

Somebody please answer what happens to the games we buy from streaming host when the service provider goes bust? Let me guess - we don't actually own those games, we just lease them yeah? Well in that case no thank you! Give me my disc based games that I can buy and own, and lend and trade etc.

starchild1913d ago

Well yeah. It's the same as any digital game purchase.

Very nearly all my PC games and most of my PS4 games are digital purchases. And I'm not worried about it in the slightest. It's unlikely Valve or Sony are going to go under any time soon. Even if they ever did I'm sure they would be compelled to unlock all the games and let us keep them as downloads. And if by some super remote chance they didn't do that...well then, I'd lose all those games. Still wouldn't be the end of the world. It's so incredibly unlikely anyway.

You might as well worry about your house burning down or getting burglarized and you losing all your physical games, it's that unlikely.

sampsonon1913d ago

For me once i finish a game i hardly ever replay them.
Plus most mp game servers close after a few years.

what i see happening is Sony making hard disk games but less of them as people start going totally digital.
kind of like limited edition disk games.

Razzer1913d ago (Edited 1913d ago )

It isn’t the same as a digital purchase of a game at all. With a digital purchase you own that license to a game. You own jack shit with a subscription. If you stop paying for your subscription then the games you have installed stop working. Valve hypothetically going under doesn’t invalidate the license you have purchased. Microsoft hypothetically going under, or just ending the service, means anything you have installed with Game Pass is just wasted space on your hard drive. But yes, these scenarios are unlikely

stuna11913d ago

"You might as well worry about your house burning down or getting burglarized and you losing all your physical games!" You have statistics to back up your claims!?

You might not care how much money you've spent on gaming, but obviously you're not everyone. To some it's an actual investment.

rainslacker1913d ago (Edited 1913d ago )

Yippee for you I guess. I think the OP is pointing out the nature of digital content not being something we own. That we're spending money on the consumption, but not the acquisition of property.

You buying digital, and it being the standard for you does not make the case that it's OK, or acceptable, or wanted, nor that it will be the future, or at least should be the future. If anything, it supports the notion that it's still not ready for the consumer, and not beneficial for them.

And, the chances that these services get shut down it statistically much higher than the chance of your house burning down. There is less than a 1% chance that your house will catch fire, and less than 25% of that 1% resulting in complete destruction of your property. As it stands now, with maybe 10 or so sub and digital services out there, one going down, that means one going down is a 10% chance that it goes down. Also, if you own a home you are required to have insurance in all states, or are smart enough to spend a few bucks a month if you're a renter, they will cover property loss. You don't get anything back if content is removed, or the service goes down.

As it stands, there is already content that has been removed from various services which is no longer available to download even to paying consumers, and there are indeed digital services that have failed and people no longer having access to their content. The most notable being GFWL, a MS run service....the company who is supposedly best poised to deliver this all glorious digital only future and always connected dream that no one actually has other than the publishers who want to control the consumer. But sure, they'll be successful by rebranding it into the Windows Store, and promoting that store off the back of their Xbox brand. Seems legit.

Digital and sub services will become more prominent as time goes forward, there is no doubt about that. But it's only digital proponents who seem to think that physical has to suffer or die because of that. Digital and subs should be an expansion of the market options, not a replacement of current options. You're free to like digital all you want, but don't downplay the negatives that surround it to promote it as the best or mostly likely only option going forward. There was a reason people spoke out against MS original DRM plans. Even if much of the consumer base shifts to digital, it doesn't mean that physical has to die, and I shake my head at people that promote digital in a way that physical is obsolete and has to die, because it shows they are selfish, and are willing to remove options for something that doesn't affect them at all.

WelkinCole1913d ago

I also believe Santa Clause will get me a copy of Half life 3

Cobra9511912d ago

You shouldn't conflate digital downloads with streaming. If a streaming service ends, access to everything in its library ends instantly. (Think Netflix going down.) If a download service ends, you don't lose what you already have. It's still on your drive, and it still works.

With PC, it's no big trick at all to back up your content, so it becomes as secure as a physical purchase (not that PC games come as physical releases anymore). On console, this is possible too, if not quite as easy. At one point, I had most of my X-One games on two separate external hard drives. I copied them (using the Xbox file management) because I was afraid one of the drives was failing. The system didn't care which drive I used. It just cared that I owned the licenses (stored in a local file, since the games work offline).

indysurfn1912d ago (Edited 1912d ago )

Microsoft did not got down, can I play the old Halo online on my 360? No!? because the servers where taken down. Sony did not go under, can I play my Socom online game now? NO?! Why not? The server was taken down. EA is the KING of taking game servers down. NFL 2014 was down 14 months after the game was released. Plus many others.

starchild1912d ago (Edited 1912d ago )

"Somebody please answer what happens to the games we buy from streaming host when the service provider goes bust?"

This was his question. I was directly addressing it by saying that you would potentially lose your ability to stream that game much like you could lose access to your digitally downloaded games.

I then said I'm personally not too concerned about it because I believe companies like Valve and Sony would likely remove the DRM and allow us to keep the games you've purchased from them as DRM free downloads. There's no reason this couldn't apply to games you've purchased from them to stream whenever you want. At least that's what I assume he meant because he specifically referred to buying them not renting. So I imagine it would work the same way as movies or TV series episodes that people buy and have access to stream whenever they want. If the provider knew they were going under they would probably allow those purchased movies or games to be downloaded for offline play.

I wasn't saying other aspects of streaming are the same as digital downloads. That would be stupid. Of course there are major differences. The streaming of games has quality issues and the availability of titles is unreliable since games are added and removed over time. I thought that would be obvious.

I'm not even that big of a proponent of streaming. The only use case that appeals to me is being able to stream my games to a portable device while I'm away from home. Other than that I'm personally not interested.

It's true that I have moved over to mostly digital downloads, as have many other gamers, but that doesn't mean I have anything against physical media. I wouldn't want it to disappear as an option since some people prefer it. But I also don't agree with his fear mongering about digital downloads and his attempt to make it sound like physical is the only correct choice.

I don't know what the statistical likelihood of a house fire is nor the exact likelihood of Sony or Valve going under. My only point was that both possibilities seem fairly remote and I'm not too worried about it either way. Something like 96% of my digital downloads are with Valve and Sony and I truly don't see either of them going under any time in the forseeable future.

starchild1912d ago

@Razzer

You must not have read carefully enough and just assumed what we were talking about. He specifically asked about games you've purchased, not games you're accessing through a subscription.

To be clear, there are a couple different scenarios:

1. Games you purchase and download to play from your local hardware.

2. Games you purchase and stream whenever you feel like it. Movies and TV episodes are offered this way too by some providers. You own the license but you don't have to download to your local hardware to watch it.

3. Games you access through a subscription and which are downloaded to local hardware, but are only available to play so long as you pay the subscription.

4. Games you access through a subscription and which you stream, but are only available to play so long as you pay the subscription.

5. Disc based games.

From what he described in his question I was fairly sure he was talking about the second scenario.

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S2Killinit1913d ago

No thank you Microsoft, Apple, Google. Keep your services.

timotim1913d ago

I noticed you didn't mention Sony in your name dropping...don't they have a service with PS Now??? Arent they already streaming games and will continue doing so???

Silly gameAr1913d ago

Aren't you guys always saying Sony is behind when it comes to stuff like that?

InTheZoneAC1913d ago

you're just going to act like you disagree with his point?

timotim1913d ago

@Silly

Soooo...what you're saying is that Sony gets a pass from you because they aren't as strong a player in this area? That's an interesting take.

My take is a little more straight forward though...why act as if its only Microsoft, Apple and Google when NONE of those companies currently have a streaming option...yet the one company that does, he acts as if they aren't apart of it as well??? Just seemed a little strange is all.

rainslacker1913d ago

Because Sony isn't spending time promoting these services in lieu of making games. If they go that route in the future, then some may change their mind, but you can't call hypocrisy when there is none, because Sony is providing multiple markets just fine.

WelkinCole1913d ago

Because Sony will never abandon or focus too much on streaming over disc based games simply because they are a more global brand and they want to keep that.

Even in most Western Countries streaming is still not ideal for most people. Imagine other global markets Sony are in that don't have as good internet

S2Killinit1912d ago

Here is your answer
https://m.youtube.com/watch...
Sony isnt pushing for this future, but MS is.

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Kribwalker1912d ago

Sony even had Psnow stream straight to Tvs and added PCs a couple of years ago. They stopped streaming to Tvs because they needed more processing power to lower the latency, but then added PCe to play their games without owning a PS4.

If you think sony spent hundreds of millions on Gakai and aren’t moving in the streaming direction then you are just closing your eyes and plugging your ears shouting LaLaLaLaLa

S2Killinit1912d ago (Edited 1912d ago )

@kribwalker
@porkandshakes
Please dont lie to yourself and everybody else here. Microsoft has been going all in with streaming and some people are denying the truth in the hope that everybody else will follow Microsoft, just so that they dont have to accept the fact that it is Microsoft who is pushing for this streaming future. If you cant accept the writing on the wall after Microsoft LITERALLY said they will turn xbox into a service by putting its games on other devices/consoles, then you are beyond redemption. You have chosen your corporation over console gaming. Enjoy your service future just dont drag the rest of us down with you.

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King_Noctis1913d ago (Edited 1913d ago )

Sony is just as guilty as any of them to be honest. If you gonna condemn all why not condemn Sony as well? Or is Sony so special that they get a pass in this area?

trooper_1912d ago

Don’t rope Sony in this crap.

annoyedgamer1912d ago

The disagrees lol. Sony fanboys won't question their master.

Kribwalker1912d ago

**Puts his fingers in his ears, closes his eyes and starts shouting LALALALALALA**

That’s what you guys are sounding like.

Oh here’s a link you should check out
https://www.playstation.com...

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Kribwalker1912d ago

Keep telling yourself that. Sony has already been offering a streaming service for years. If you don’t think they will be trying to utilize that for gaming subs then you are wrong. Because they already are. They offer a subscription to play hundreds of PS games, without owning a console. They are putting PS4 exclusives on this subscription service later than MS is, but they are.

They are the only one currently offering a Subscription based game streaming service. And you chose to leave their subscription based game streaming service completely out of the conversation for companies that don’t even have that yet.

Some would say Sony are among the Pioneers of subscription based game streaming services for console gaming, as no one else had that

rainslacker1912d ago

You're right. Sony has had a streaming service for years. So, why is it that ms is getting so much credit for being the innovators, or will be the ones that do the most to usher in this future, while it will somehow be harmful to Sony, and allow ms to have the upper hand next gen?

The answer is that because while Sony does promote these services, there is absolutely no sense from anyone in the ps community or press, or even the anti Sony crowd that makes them posit that Sony's end game is this digital future being talked about here. While ms, who doesn't even have a service up and running yet is making it a key part their future in their current marketing.

There is a great disparity in the way the two companies are handling the services in relation to their business.

Comparing it to Sony is disregarding everything the is being done, and how it's being done, and seems to be brought up because people want to defend ms was forward thinking in removing options, or just another way to call ps fans hypocrites and try to discredit them that way. But was it stands, you'd be hard pressed to find Sony fans, or Sony itself talking about it in the context we we it presented here, because it doesn't seem to be their business plan for now. If that changes, then maybe opinions will change, but for now, the comparisons aren't completely equal.

S2Killinit1912d ago (Edited 1912d ago )

@kribwalker
I already explained what people like you are doing. I wont even bother reading your explanations. Sony is not nearly doing what MS has envisioned, as I explained above. Its really bad that you are following MS into destruction of consoles, thats all I can say about that. This is horrible news. Smh

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Nanukas467d ago

Good, i want sony to feel heat. Ordinary people win from good competition.

BehindTheRows467d ago

“Good competition” is not something Microsoft offers often. You should want THEM to feel enough heat to actually do better.

Nanukas467d ago (Edited 467d ago )

Agree. I wish sony would be more afraid of gamepass to get better games on ps+

Obscure_Observer466d ago (Edited 466d ago )

"You should want THEM to feel enough heat to actually do better."

Phil Spencer started to acquire studios back in 2018, after that, Xbox Studios only had 5 studios. Now Xbox has 23 almost 5x more studios. Not to mention third party exclusives like Flight Simulator, Contraband and Project Dragon.

Plus, unlike Sony, Xbox Studios won´t be distracted with things like VR, all of their first party efforts goes towards Xbox first and foremost.

Sony so can expect a much more robust Gamepass in terms of first party and third party exclusives games from Xbox from now on.

Since Sony have less studios and won´t release their games day one on PS+, they better make sure andl deliver high quality games like Ragnarok. Because so far, 2023 hadn´t started well for them with Forspoken.

https://www.videogameschron...

Sony spent millions to secure a AAA third party exclusive game build from the ground up for PS5, not to mention more millions spent on market to be outperformed by a AA game which costs less than half on Steam, had an EPIC day one surprise announcement AND release with ZERO money invested on promotion and marketing.

If that´s not good competition, I don´t know what it is.

BehindTheRows466d ago

@Obscure_Observer

It isn’t.

Obscure_Observer466d ago (Edited 466d ago )

"It isn’t."

Oh yes, it is. You can bet your life that both companies cares about their money and investments.

The simple fact that Sony continues to pay multiple publishers to keep games out of Xbox forever, is nothing but a reaction to Gamepass.

Imo, Sony now fears that once their timed-exclusive contracts ends, those games will be available on Gamepass the moment the said games hits the Xbox platforms.

Sony fears the scenario where gamers realize that it´s not worth to invest in every single game released on Playstation at full $70 once they´ll be getting it for "free" on Gamepass eventually, just like Yakuza, Dragon Quest, Octopath Traveler, Nino Kuni, Persona series and more.

ARK 2 (exclusive on Xbox consoles), S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2( exclusive on Xbox consoles), Flintlock, Wo Long, Atomic Hears, Lies of P, Eiyuden Chronicle, Hollow Knight: Silksong. Minecraft: Legends, MLB 23...

Those are just some of the games that Xbox players will be getting for "free" day one while Playstation gamers will have to pay for all of it.

So at least you´re rich or something, Xbox players will be getting way more NEW games to play than you. That´s just facts.

BehindTheRows466d ago (Edited 466d ago )

@Obscure_Observer

I can bet that one company brings actual competition, isn’t afraid to share losing numbers, and doesn’t buy huge publishers due to said weaknesses. That’s what I can bet.

As a fan of theirs, you should want them to do better and offer more than subscriptions services and unfulfilled promises.

tay8701466d ago (Edited 466d ago )

@obscure. Well Sony can't control 3rd party games quality, but their 1st party certainly trounces MS's. Spiderman 2 is going to a absolutely dominate the holiday season, just like ragnarok did this past holiday season. Sony easily has the best gaming studios out of the big three. It's.not Sony who has to worry about their 1st part output, it is MS.

MIDGETonSTILTS17466d ago

@Obscure: what AAA games would I buy an XsX today to play?

I own a ps5 and XsX, and I don’t know of one game that would have motivated me to buy an XsX ( I bought it to appease my dumb Xbot friends).

I bought a ps5 for Demon Souls (best looking game on consoles), Returnal (top 10 game of all time for me), and Dualsense upgrades for shooters (completely changes R6 for me).

So, can you illustrate how XsX is competing? I liked HiFi Rush a lot, High on Life too, but neither make we happy about the $500 I sunk into the hardware to play them.

Mr_cheese466d ago

Obscurer, you're saying an awful lot without talking much sense at all.

VR isn't a distraction, neither does it take games away from playstation. Sony have been building and harnessing studios just for this while working on their 1st party none VR titles.

Microsoft is fully committed to gamepass and that's fine for them and those that like to game that way. It will be an even better product if Microsoft can nail their 1st party games.

What I'd hate to see are more moves like the Activision and Bethesda purchases and attempts because it destroys the gaming ecosystem. I'd say the same for Sony as well because once the ball is rolling, they'll all start buying and diving gaming.

Obscure_Observer466d ago (Edited 466d ago )

"I can bet that one company brings actual competition, isn’t afraid to share losing numbers, and doesn’t buy huge publishers due to said weaknesses. That’s what I can bet."

Unfortunately for you, MS or Nintendo aren´t forced to play by yours or Sony´s rules. Fyi, Sony used to buy publishers back in the day. The only reason they aren´t doing it now is simply because they can´t.

As it is, Sony already owns 14.09% of Kadokawa´s shares while Tencent acquired 16% of the company's shares, which means 1/3 of the entire company ownership.

The only reason why Tencent owns more than Sony is because Sony couldn´t pay more for it. So spare me from this "victim complex" bs defense for Sony.

Phil acted as the "nice guy" for too long. To the point where stupid fanboys were all happy when Xbox acquired new studios and publishers, because the idiots were under the illusion that all future Xbox games would become multiplatform and be released on Playstation.

Yeah, they were stupid to the point of thinking that MS would turn into a third party developer for Playstation.

Reality hits hard and here we are. Now that they KNOW those games aren´t coming to Playstation, all that they can do now is cry and moan over games paid and developed by Microsoft to not be on their platform of choice.

They think they´re entitled to have anything and everything otherwise it´s not good competition.

Phil Spencer won´t stop. Be the Activision/Blizzard deal approved or not, he can just go after a single studio like CDPR for example and you´ll be here crying all the same.

I don´t care if Sony or Nintendo buys SquareEnix, From Software or even SEGA tomorrow. Because I have no problem buying products from those companies if they have the games I want. I care about games first and foremost. So don´t expect me to be on your sad place complaining about big a$$ companies running their business as they see fit.

Lightning77466d ago

"You should want THEM to feel enough heat to actually do better."

But when they do attempt to do better ppl complain about it.

BehindTheRows466d ago

@Lightning77

What genuine attempts have people complained about?

Lightning77465d ago

With the whole Bethesda thing. There was article on here not too long ago talking about how Bethesda investment will pay off for MS. The whole comment section everyone was whining about how MS was taking games away. So when MS competes everyone here complains on here. No matter what MS hurts feelings. It's quite funny actually.

BehindTheRows464d ago

@Lightning77

In other words, outside of publisher acquisitions, they have not really attempted to compete.

And "whining" happens on both sides, so I hope you are just as entertained when people bitch and moan about moves Sony makes.

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Crows90467d ago

Ps+ extra already has better games than gamepass. Just look at the highest scoring games...ps extra has more of them.

Obscure_Observer467d ago

Lol. What a joke.

PS+ relies on old games. Gamepass not only has day one first party games but also day one third party as well. Even from Sony. XD

S2Killinit466d ago (Edited 466d ago )

Exactly. “Day one” is a buzz word that makes these guys think they have a better line up but it has not amounted to much. If you look at what they have at any given time on their service its not that rosy. Not to mention “day one” also exists on PS plus just not for the first party AAA story games (which is fine w me as long as they continue making the hits).

Check out their list of day one releases for all the years they had gamepass. Its a joke.

Crows90466d ago (Edited 466d ago )

@obscure

I'd take good old games then new Bad games. Besides that wasn't his point and that has nothing to do with what I claimed. The op said that they should offer better games but they already offer better games. He did not say new games. Or even New Quality games. But to your point, I know that game pass lovers do enjoy their day one bad or mediocre games. It's all about value with you guys and not quality

GamingSinceForever466d ago

Some are going ape shit over Hi-Fi Rush but completely forgot about the Tokyo Wire dud the same developer last released. My point being there are hits and misses.

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Obscure_Observer466d ago (Edited 466d ago )

" It's all about value with you guys and not quality"

Lol. Your false narrative didn´t aged well.

All Metacritic scores for day one first party games
.
Ori and the Will of the Wisps 92 on Metacritic
Flight Simulator 90 on Metacritic
Forza Horizon 5 92 on Metacritic
Halo Infinite 87 on Metacritic
Grounded 85 on Metacritic
Pentiment 87 on Metacritic
Age of Empires II: Definitive Edition 87 on Metacritic
Hi-Fi Rush 88 on Metacritic

And that´s only from first party games/IPs on Xbox series consoles.

So much for your "quality vs quantity" BS narrative.

Oh, and we "Gamepass Lovers" also love old quality games as well. I also can give you a large list of high quality third party on Gamepass. Just ask. ;)

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GamingSinceForever466d ago

@Obscure_Observer… Forspoken was not a 1st party game from Sony nor should it be treated as such. Square Enix will comeback nicely with FFXVI I’m sure.

Besides Sony is entitled to some misses here and there because they actually take chances on new titles and release them regularly.

Bu the time Spiderman 2 releases everyone will have forgotten all about this terrible start you’re claiming.

Crows90466d ago

They're so anxious to try to nail Sony on something that they'll even bring up third party developers not under Sony. Oh look this time's exclusive that wasn't developed by a Sony studio was bad so Sony doesn't know how to do good games.

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Obscure_Observer466d ago

"@Obscure_Observer… Forspoken was not a 1st party game from Sony nor should it be treated as such. Square Enix will comeback nicely with FFXVI I’m sure."

In no moment I said it´s a first party game. Both Forspoken and FFXVI are exclusive Playstation 5 games which Sony invested large sums of money to secure to their platform. Just like the original Spiderman from Insomniac. (which till this day Sony fans treat it like a first party/IP)

So it´s pretty obvious if the game fails, Sony also fails and loses tons of money which could had been invested on first party games.

"Besides Sony is entitled to some misses here and there because they actually take chances on new titles and release them regularly."

True.

"Bu the time Spiderman 2 releases everyone will have forgotten all about this terrible start you’re claiming."

Also true. The same can be said about FFXVI, imo.

Abear21466d ago

The leader, Nintendo, doesn’t care what the competition does.

Obscure_Observer466d ago

"The leader, Nintendo, doesn’t care what the competition does."

Couldn´t agree more

BehindTheRows466d ago

The Switch is leading the PS5 because it launched three years prior. PS4 won last gen is all forms (money made, units sold, software totals).

No hate for Nintendo though, as they are another company who actually puts out quality games in high numbers, but just a little perspective.

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Orchard467d ago

“In 2022, Microsoft took the lead with 60-70% of total MAUs”

From 20-30% up to 60-70%? That’s some crazy growth. Probably thanks to Fortnite.

SurgicalMenace467d ago

That's what's up, young fella. You feel better now?

The Wood467d ago

All the other stats dont matter. Especially the ones where ps is tearing xbox a new one

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Obscure_Observer466d ago

“In 2022, Microsoft took the lead with 60-70% of total MAUs”

Probably one of reasons why Sony won´t return Activision´s calls.

BehindTheRows466d ago

Oh, yeah, THAT must be it….

Outside_ofthe_Box466d ago

You're not asking for numbers now, I noticed? 🤣

Orchard466d ago (Edited 466d ago )

Oops, somebody didn't read the article.

This isn't a "YoY increase". It's market share, so we know they had 60-70% of the streaming market.

MIDGETonSTILTS17466d ago

That’s why we game: to celebrate YoY growth!

Three cheers for first-party content-starving fueling third party max’s and subscriptions.

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Tacoboto466d ago

What a clickbait headline. Why mention 2021, when the tides turned in 2022 for the obvious reason of one company making the Cloud service one of their biggest marketing pushes throughout the entire year while the other company was able to promote the games they had coming out?

And it's imprudent to suggest crazy growth when we only know proportions - did Xbox grow its proportion by attracting from the competitors' bases, did their marketing pay off and attract new users, or did cloud gamers on competitors just not play as much? The MAU figures don't point to shifts as significant as the Cloud proportions do, and Microsoft's lack of raw subscriber numbers that they happily boasted about in 2021 is telling too.

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RavenWolfx613d ago

At the time of this comment, I am not seeing Odyssey on Xbox or PC yet.

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56 Games to Leave PS Now in May Including Metal Gear Solid 4

The PlayStation Brahs:

"Playstation Now will soon cease as exist as it combines with PlayStation Plus to be one super subscription, titles that won't carryover to the PlayStation Plus revamp will begin to leave the service in May."

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Orchard755d ago

Wait, what? I thought PS+ premium would carry over the games from PSNow?

Also this basically leaves MGS4 dead in the boneyard unless you play via RPCS3…

TGGJustin755d ago

That was never going to be the case. Sony said that Premium would have 340 PS3, PS2, and PS1 games. There are like 400 PS3 games alone on PS Now right now so it was obvious some of them weren't going to carry over.

darthv72755d ago

If they are just combining forces... there is no reason why any games would leave. Unless they were already planning on removing them regardless of the merge (licensing issues).

Orchard755d ago

MGS could be licensing I guess - isn’t the HD collection still unavailable / in licensing hell?

I’d like to think Konami are yanking everything MGS because they’re about to announce a 1-5 collection but… we know Konami better than that.

TGGJustin755d ago (Edited 755d ago )

I forgot to include PSP in my comment. So yeah you can see that when Sony says there will be 340 PS3, PS2, PS1, and PSP games while there are currently 400 PS3 games on PS Now that a good chunk of those current PS3 games are going away. They aren't just rolling them all onto the new PS+ otherwise the number would be much higher than 340

Orchard755d ago

Yeah I guess I just never really did the math on the numbers they announced so this caught me off guard.

Eonjay755d ago

PSnow is a platform and it will not exist after next month. Them being on one service doesn't automatically mean that they will be on another service. Contracts are drawn up and compensation may include things like per player reimbursement. Therefore you shouldn't automatically expect a game to go from one platform to another.... if Sony can strike a deal with Konami then the game will come to plus (if it already hasn't been decided).

But to be clear all PSNow games are leaving the service because the service will cease to exist.

JackBNimble752d ago

400 ps3 games that you have " no Choice" but to stream, doesn't make me want to upgrade ps+ . As it is , if you keep the basic ps+ you're going to lose1of the 3 games a month to begin with.

Nothing here for the new upcoming service seems like a worthwhile subscription.

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ApocalypseShadow755d ago (Edited 755d ago )

Or, you know, you could play it on an actual PS3.

If you don't have one there's almost 90 million systems to track down, cop one and do that.

Here's the game too
https://www.ebay.com/itm/40...

Orchard755d ago

Is that you Don Mattrick?

The ideal solution would be a proper back compat implementation.

I shouldn’t have to crack out my 16 year old console to play a legendary game like MGS.

Also MGS was basically a PS franchise yet somehow it’s now basically an Xbox franchise if you want to play it nowadays.

Hopefully the new “preservation” team at Sony tackle this problem.

mkis007755d ago

Orchard

4 isnt on xbox. Incomplete series on xbox. Pc you would need now.

Orchard755d ago

@mkis The PC is always the place where you can get everything thanks to emulators etc.

But still, XSX and XB1 plays substantially more metal gear games than any other recent console, so my statement stands true.

King_Noctis755d ago

Or you know, you could play it on the console that you ACTUALLY HAVE without having to resort to ebay to buy a a console from two gen ago with scalper’s price.

itsmebryan754d ago (Edited 754d ago )

I have a OG PS3 (big boy) just gathering dust. I think it even plays PS2 games. I guess I'll put it on eBay.

thornintheside754d ago (Edited 754d ago )

so basically throw money at the problem.

sure it works, as long as not everyone is doing it. Is it ideal?....maybe for the sellers

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ApocalypseShadow755d ago

Oh. So orchard can lie and say that the only way to play the game is through an emulator. Which is false.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/13...
Here's a console for $50 and 7 games. Buy MGS4 above and that's 55 bucks before shipping. Can play it forever.

Orchard755d ago

“Also this basically leaves MGS4 dead in the boneyard unless you play via RPCS3…”

Looks like what I wrote is accurate if your only alternative is to go on eBay and buy a console from 3 generations ago which is no longer manufactured.

Thanks for reinforcing my point.

TravsVoid755d ago

I agree you should buy a PS3 if you are really interested in it's games but don't come on here linking to a eBay auction that has a price that will definitely increase before it ends and act like that is what they sell for. More accurate prices seem to be around $100.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i....

Only reason I want PS3 emulation on PS5 is because a lot of the original games aren't even 1080p, some even sub 720p and we could see these games up to 4k and smoother framerates on PS5.

Z501754d ago

He forgets. Some of us still have PS3's. So, RPCS3 is NOT the only way.

SonyStyled755d ago (Edited 755d ago )

Orchard, PSNow has 800+ games. PS+ Premium was announced for 700+ games. Some games were expected to be removed as one service cancelled and combined for another, and now we know which ones. What are you so surprised about, or did you not know PS+ Premium was loosing 100 games from PSNow while simultaneously being compared to a Gamepass competitor?
And yes actually, a lot of lifetime PS gamers have a PS3. I have one in my living room with the rest of my consoles and one in my bedroom. They aren’t like ancient record players today like their competing consoles. The PS3 came with features we expect today in a new device that were very premium for 2006 hardware. I can use my PS3 as a blu-ray player in 2022. I can’t with my 360 since 2005. I can also put MGS4 in my PS3 in 2022, or any of my 220+ on the game shelf.

I think you’re scaling PS gamers abandoning their prior consoles at the rate Xbox gamers did with the 360 and One. If you are a gamer and enjoy PS, chances are you don’t have to ‘crack’ out a 16 year old device and suffocate on the floor in a web of cords around your neck wishing we were loyal to Phil Spencer to swoop in like Superman to save us from imminent death

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outsider1624755d ago

I sure hope MGS4 comes to PS pass or whatever. It's the one game i want to replay. Man i loved that game.

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Petebloodyonion755d ago

It's actually a lot of games that will leave at the same time.
Probably to leave some space for the PSP games that are gonna be added to the premium service.
As for MGS4, I would expect Konami to be behind the move.

TheColbertinator755d ago (Edited 755d ago )

Unfortunate that MGS4 is leaving regardless. Played it with PSNow on PC and enjoyed having one of my favorite PS3 games to play again.

TravsVoid755d ago

It's going to suck if these PSP and PS2 games they are referencing are the few already released on PS4 store which were included with PS Now.

Cackocacho755d ago

Ah, yes. Bask in the "service" era. Where what you see today, is not what you'll see tomorrow, thanks to an overcomplicated system.

The "service", is simply, off the charts.

gangsta_red755d ago

Complicated how?

Also, you can always buy the game. Just like other services that offer third party content, they are on their for a limited time or however long the contract holds.

BrainSyphoned755d ago

Well, yes, when I subscribe to a service I hope to have different games cycle through. PS Now gives you a time frame to finish the games you want to try and Xbox is generally a year for most titles. They both give warning when titles are leaving. There are multiple web pages dedicated to each service if you need help figuring out which carton of milk needs finished first.

TravsVoid755d ago

Big difference between PS Now games leaving that are only available for streaming and games you can purchase even if they leave the service. Every game on Game Pass you can purchase without a subscription unlike PS Now.

thornintheside754d ago (Edited 754d ago )

im not really sure how the complexity of the PS3 architecture, and the "service" era are related. They seem like two completely separate entities with no interaction worthy of mentioning. Maybe you meant it as a problem that can exists in both entities.

Vengeance1138755d ago

So when games leave PS Now, it's a huge issue but when games leave GamePass it's just fine? All subscription services have games / movies leave all the time.

Vengeance1138755d ago

Everyone whining and crying in this comment section?

TravsVoid755d ago

You can still purchase every single Game Pass game regardless of if it's on the service. If a PS3 game leaves PS Now it's gone for good, do you understand the difference?

Bathyj754d ago

I do.
You're saying owning a game is better than renting it. I agree.

King_Noctis755d ago

I think it is the other way around.

GoodGuy09755d ago

This is why I dislike subscriptions lol.

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