War Thunder Dev Says Cross-Play Is “The Future of Gaming”, Hopes Sony Will Allow It Soon

Cross-play is "making the gaming experience better", says Gaijin CEO Anton Yudintsev.

[slavish0]

Sony again. I hope they put players first! Dev want this!

[PoopsMcGee]

Cross play, in my experience, is a negative rather than a positive so "players" should beware. In Rocket League, the wait time to get a match has increased due to false starts and other factors and the player count hasn't budged much. Cross play increases the problem of an uneven playing field, too. The only positive is for smaller online based titles and all it does is prolong the inevitable decline of their user count for a bit.

The bad outweighs the good (playing against friends on other platforms) by far IMO

[starchild]

That's not true. And even if it were true it wouldn't necessarily be attributable to crossplay. There's no inherent reason that wait times should increase when different types of devices are connecting to a server. PC gamers have a wide variety of hardware setups, but wait times are no longer than in console games.

Having the combined player bases from every platform would always increase the player count. How would it not?

The idea that there will be problems with "an uneven playing field" is just more alarmist bunk. PC gaming once again proves this isn't an issue. Despite the fact that PC gamers have a wide range of hardware in terms of specs and performance we play together in multiplayer games just fine. Any slight disadvantage a hardware setup may give you is easily nullified by simply adapting to it. It doesn't have any real effect on how the games are played or enjoyed. And the effect isn't any greater than the effect console players experience using different TVs with different sizes, different image quality, and very different amounts of input lag. Not to mention that multiplatform games don't necessarily perform the same on base and enhanced consoles anyway.

Anybody arguing against crossplay at this point is just being a corporate cheerleader hyping whatever their favorite console is good at and downplaying whatever it's not good at.

[sprinterboy]

I've noticed the rl problems

[PoopsMcGee]

It is true. But if it feels better to label me as lying then go ahead and do yer worst. There are plusses and minuses to cross play but the plusses get all the print with no mention of the drawbacks.

I have no dog in the console race dawg and to imply I'm a "corporate cheerleader" couldn't be farther from the truth. The only reason cross play is becoming such a fad suddenly is because it is message board ammo for some of the cheerleaders you rightly put down.

[FGHFGHFGH]

@ starchild
How many pc games can crossplay from windows with linux? How about with mac? Shouldn't they all play across any operating system?

[Bronxs15]

"Cross play, in my experience, is a negative rather than a positive so "players" should beware. In Rocket League, the wait time to get a match has increased due to false starts and other factors and the player count hasn't budged much"

WOW! Misinformation at it's finest!

[nucky64]

i'm a player and i don't give a rats @ss about crossplay.

[S2Killinit]

Its the same dev. Second check came in the mail.

[King_Noctis]

Check from whom? And for what?

[S2Killinit]

Dont worry about it

[sampsonon]

when MS takes down the pay wall for F2P games then sony should allow cross play. oh!? you say that MS won't do that and that people shouldn't care? the irony.

[Cmv38]

I don't want to play this game regardless. This is clearly for publicity.

[rainslacker]

Doubt the guy would have even said anything about it if Gamingbolt didn't ask the question.

Also, cross play is a feature of a platform. If it's around, it's great, if it's not, gaming will go on just as it always has. Cross play isn't absolutely vital to the success of the future of gaming or the industry, nor is it likely to be a vital aspect of what devs or players want for the future. I'd wager more people would want BC over cross play, and to date, cross play has never been a factor to a systems success or the success of the industry, even when it's been available. MS has had cross play available for less than a year now, Sony had it for over a decade before, and the industry kept going on, and no one really cared until Spencer decided saw a way to get some brownie points in the console war. Before the Rocket League guy said something, I didn't see a single person asking about cross play, or criticizing MS over not having it, but because of the way the RL guy phrased his response, it became Sony's fault, even though MS would have told him the same thing because both had the policy that cross play can't be made available across consoles. .

Just because the company whose console is going to come in dead last wants to make a fuss about it, doesn't mean that it's vitally important, or any kind of future.

[lxeasy]

Sony needs to listen to the gamers and dev and allow crossplay to happen.

[sampsonon]

playstation gamers could careless. it's the ones that bought that other console with less users that want it because almost all their friends bought a PS. bad decisions shouldn't dictate what other people want or need. next time buy the better console, like your friends, and you won't be so lonely when you play.

MS wants xbox to be a service and sony wants a traditional console. don't budge sony or like a virus MS will make your echo system sick.

[Shikoku]

Not as long as there are different platforms there is no cross play as future nonsense. Sorry its just not that big of a deal to me and I have feeling from reading comments on other cross play articles it matters little to most gamers at large as well.

Yeah yeah down vote buy the platform your Friends are on or make new ones. Stop trying to force nonsense on everyone because its what you want.

[TheUndertaker85]

“Yeah yeah down vote buy the platform your Friends are on or make new ones. Stop trying to force nonsense on everyone because its what you want.”

Intriguing. Is Sony then not forcing you to buy a console specific to their brand to play with friends? Even better aren’t you forcing the “nonsense” that nobody wants crossplay?

Stop trying to segregate gamers from other gamers and friends from friends for nothing more than potential corporate gain. I’d also imagine if you’re basing friendships on specific console ownership then ditching friends for a plastic box of priority you DEFINITELY shouldn’t be allowed to talk about multiplayer oriented interactions as your value of friendship and other human interactions is very, very low. I mean as you said. Place a plastic box before friends. If your friends aren’t on your plastic box of choice get new friends. The box is fine. 🙄

[RememberThe357]

Bro just stick to PC. I buy consoles for the consistency and stability. I'm not anti open platform, it's just that's not what consoles are. We can have both.

Next we're gonna be complaining about how we can't upgrade the parts in our consoles.

[trouble_bubble]

Uh oh Dad’s angry lol! Guy just got scolded about values of human interaction and segregation. Thanks for letting us breathe your air.

[Mr_Writer85]

@shikoku
There is nothing wrong with games having a combined community, it just means people can keep on playing their favourite games for longer and make new friends regardless of platform.

[starchild]

No, a very tiny minority (a few thousand maybe) of fanboy extremists argue against it simply because their favorite brand doesn't seem too favorable toward it. Those fanatics don't represent the tens of millions of gamers in the world. What sensible gamer would ever argue against something that's good for gamers, good for games and good for developers?

[RememberThe357]

Well maybe if you actually read a rebuttal to these comments you'd see that there are drawbacks. You might not care about those drawbacks but some people do, that doesn't make us fanatics or irrational.

Security, cheating, stability, quality, all things that become compromised when opening up a closed network. One security scare and Sony is gonna shut it all down. I'd really rather they focus on strengthening their security, working on new features, regulating their player base, stabilizing their network, ect...

As I've said before, PC is an open platform, everything you seem to want consoles to be PC already is. Have at it.

[rainslacker]

Actually, studies show that the vast majority are indifferent to cross play. Very few actually say they don't want it, and much less than the majority say they care enough that its an important feature for them.

When you want to talk majorities, remember that any vocal talk on forums, rarely reflects the majority, because the majority is usually clueless, or apathetic, or just plain indifferent. The minority making a big deal about it on forums is a small minority compared to those saying they don't, and those saying anything at all on the topic are an even greater minority than the general buying public.

If you're going to use hyperbole and generalization to make your case, then at least try to make it have some basis in reality. Like, if I were so inclined, I could look up the cross play study, which was posted on here maybe 3 months ago. But I don't do that kind of thing anymore, because I know people don't accept citation when it's made available, and you like to harass Sony over their decisions, so your bias is pretty clear.

[sampsonon]

most people don't give a shitt about cross play accept xbox gamers because their console of choice is a massive failure.

you guys want to fight for something? try telling MS to stop putting up a pay wall for FREE GAMES lol

[Hedstrom]

How and why is this the future?

[Mr_Writer85]

@Hedstorm

Because its better for gamers and developmers in the long run.

Combining platforms will reduce server cost, and enable games to last longer.

If a game has 100 Xbox players, 600 pc players and 500 PS4 players, that's all not great numbers and people may struggle to get games, they then get bored and move on and the game dies.

But combined the player base is nearly double of any one platform. That makes it easier to find a game. The game then survives a bit longer.

[Hedstrom]

Why then have diffrent platforms? Do we want games that last forever, in that studios dont move on to diffrent projects. That gaas becomes the norm?

[Fishy Fingers]

A game being online for longer doesn’t mean the developers can’t move on. It simply means they don’t turn of the servers due to low player counts (per platform).

Nothing to do with gaas whatsoever.

[King_Noctis]

@Hedstrom

No, games shouldn’t last forever. What we are talking about is bigger player pool which help some games that have no chance of survival last abit longer. And why have different platform? Exclusives, thats why.

[Hedstrom]

To fishy and king: Yes! When games start to dwindle i can see the point. But untill then let people play on equal terms with the same fps, resolution (i know mid-gen fucks this up, but im against that to) and bugs. If everything just dwindles you could just scrap competition altogether, have only one console. Or scrap consoles and just have pc.

I understand why some people advocate for cross play, and thats by no mean wrong. My biggest problem is that the gaming media is 100% with cross play. Not one talks about the negatives. And by a poll by Eurogamer only 12% actualy cares about cross play! Isnt that insane when you compare with how much coverage it gets?

[Mr_Writer85]

@hedstorm

What negatives? Any negatives (not that I can think of any) are vastly outweighed by the positives.

[sampsonon]

no what's better for these devs? if MS stops charging people to play fee to play games. why aren't these devs crying about that? losers all.

[rainslacker]

Because "Dev says".

It's right in the title. As we all know, when Gamingbolt asks a leading question, and cites an out of context quote to make an inciteful headline, it's always true.

[LOGICWINS]

Its obvious that Microsoft's cloud service and Xbox Game Pass will run on the Nintendo Switch sometime this year or in 2020. Switch players will be able to cross play with Xbox players.

Sony's resistance to collaborating with MS and Nintendo will have dire consequences.

Microsoft was extremely intelligent to start focusing on unique subscriber counts as opposed to hardware sales since they end up making more money in the long-term. The more platforms you make your games available on, the more revenue you get.

[BlackTar187]

Microsoft still makes bad games.

[LOGICWINS]

That's subjective. The objective reality is that cloud gaming across multiple platforms is the future. Microsoft and Google are the current frontrunners in that future. What you think about the quality of Microsoft's games doesn't change reality.

[ApocalypseShadow]

**The more platforms you make your games available on, the more revenue you get.**

Then, Microsoft should become a 3rd party developer.

[BlackTar187]

Yes, you wait for cloud gaming with subpar titles expecting cloud gaming from them to be a shift in the quality of the titles and i'll go ahead and play the best games that are available while we hold our breath for a DRASTIC change in quality due to a backbone system on how they are run.

I'll agree it is somewhat subjective per personal taste but the objective data is not arguable and the objective data definitely isn't that MS makes better games.

[timotim]

@Apocalypse

😄😄😄 silly rabbit...Microsoft IS a 3rd party developer!!! What do you think Minecraft is? Ever heard of Killer Instinct for Steam? How about Viva Piñata for Nintendo 3DS? Microsoft has been developing AND publishing games for other platforms for years now. They've been doing exactly that haha. However, just because they develop and publish games for other platforms, doesn't mean they shouldn't make their own hardware any more. Why not do both where it makes sense???

[rainslacker]

"Sony's resistance to collaborating with MS and Nintendo will have dire consequences"

Such as?

In case you haven't noticed, Sony has been pretty successful despite all the things that MS and Nintendo have done which will apparently win them the next gen, and I honestly don't feel Sony feels threatened by Nintendo in the home console space.

How exactly is it bad for Sony if MS has it's services on Nintendo? If anything, that just removes the need for MS hardware from anyone who owns a switch, and if people aren't going to be buying PSNow to play a bunch of games, why would they be using XCloud to do it?

"The more platforms you make your games available on, the more revenue you get."

In theory sure. But if you're a console maker, then selling the console is part of your brand. MS is trying to remove as much of that from the equation as they can, but their brand will suffer if they just become another publisher. They'll keep the hardware around, but what you're talking about is being respected like Sega was when they had hardware, to just being another publisher, like Sony is now. Just because they have some other ways to deliver content doesn't mean that the Xbox brand grows without the hardware, and the more they remove the need for the hardware, the less impact the Xbox brand has. Wrapping it up in Windows doesn't really help them,because then they're just another OS provider, or akin to Steam, which means nothing in the living room.

[FGHFGHFGH]

Yeah Microsoft stopped focusing on hardware sales because they got smashed by ps4 this gen. They were the ones who used to hold a press conference after every npd to brag how much they outsold ps3 last gen and the ones who constantly talked about sales.

[LOGICWINS]

You're in denial. They stopped focusing on hardware sales because they make more money in the long run via the subscription route. It's the same tactic they applied with Microsoft office. Charge a permanent monthly fee as opposed to a one time payment.

[trouble_bubble]

PSNow brings in more bucks than Gamepass according to that Superdata data that made everyone eat crow and guess what? Sony still posts hardware sales. MS had a huuuuge ego last gen. Only stopped reporting because they got killed this gen and had nothing to report but shots fired, miles sailed. They make money off those miles? No. It’s still ego. Denial isn’t just a river in Egypt.

Dire consequennnnncesssss! LoL gtfo with that keyboard war cry LOL. More ego. You guys couldn’t organise a picnic. If MS want to be 3rd party so bad go 3rd party and gtfo of the hardware biz. These threats. It’s like watching DC threaten Marvel after the Green Lantern movie. At the risk of consequences! Dire ones! LOL

[Dragonscale]

Think you're the one in denial logic lol. They got their asses handed to them this gen no matter how you try to spin it.

[RDF]

People still play this?

[sin7279]

Gamingbolt gtfo alredy! Jesus!

[Hardiman]

Is it now?!?

[Silly gameAr]

Why weren't people this gung ho about cross play last gen? They had a chance to do it then, and it was shot down. Now it's the future? Ha.

[BlackTar187]

Paid PR

[starchild]

Things evolve over time. A lot of things we discuss these days weren't much part of the discussion in previous generations. Most developers didn't seem interested and most gamers weren't that aware of the real possibility of it. It simply wasn't on most people's radar. Now many devs are showing interest and gamers are just speaking up in favor of it.

[rainslacker]

Fewer devs have expressed interest in cross play, than there are actual cross play games on PS/PC, and even less than you see with X1/PC CP now. There have been I think 6 or 7 devs so far that have expressed interest, one of which quickly backpeddled when the beta went live, and two others who weren't actually stating they had an interest, just stating they didn't know why Sony was saying no.

The evolving over time was because the media has beat this dead horse as if it's one of the most important issues of our time, but it really isn't. Countless articles and opinion pieces, most of which all stem from a single event. As opposed to last gen, where an article would come out, it'd get a bit of attention, then everyone would move on.

The only reason it became more of an issue this gen is because it became a way to attack Sony, and since the press didn't like to attack MS last gen, they didn't get the same treatment. This gen, the press still acts like MS is golden, saying that they're set up to win next gen even, but since they can attack Sony over this, Spencer was able to fan the flames, and make it into one of the most important issues that almost no one, even the developers, care about.

Cross play has been around with Sony and PC for almost a decade and a half now. You say you're a PC/PS4 gamer. Do you really care if you get Xbox cross play? You have the 2 largest gaming bases in the world to pool from, and I'd wager that 99.9% of your MP games that may exist on both platforms that you own, or even on the PS3, DO NOT offer cross play. So where is this big demand that is suddenly here coming from? It's not the devs, because nothing was preventing them from doing this in the past.

[nismo370]

lol, gamingbolt, same stories....

[stuna1]

Yeah, so everyone will be forced to get a Xbox Live account !? Lol give me a break!

[King_Noctis]

They only need to get the account for one game, Minecraft. And that’s because Minecract is actually own by MS. Shocking, I know, the developer of a game have the gall to ask player to make an account to play their games.

[XSpike]

Lets just use Counter Strike as an example, pretty competitive game.

In the future all games are cross-play, you own a console, you like sitting on a couch pretty far away from a nice TV, you use a controller as you find it comfy. Your also in the top clan, doing competitive matches... Your versing a dude on a PC, with better specs, but most of all, hes at a computer desk, with Keyboard & Mouse, his aiming is surely better, his view is better.

Example, Battlefield, flying in a plane I have to sit up close to my TV just so I can spot people on the ground, when I'm far back its like "Where are you!? I can't see anyone!".

Also, mobile gaming is also quickly improving. So say Counter Strike on the phone, you really expect people to play competitively against consoles players with an actual controller & buttons!? In then except them to be competitive against PC players!?

Some games are awesome for Cross-Play, Rocket League being one. Fortnite not being a prime example, its only "GOOD" because its the most casual casual game that has been released. Damn noobs don't know nothing.

Or you can do what console / mobile games do, have massive auto lock on... Yeah that is so fair, let all games be like Crackdown 3, just look at shoot, auto aim everything.. Yay so fun.

This cross-play fad can go to hell. Crackdown 3, auto aim can bugger off, true gamers don't like it.

[timotim]

EVERYTHING you just said is irrelevant due to a small but important overlook...and that is FILTERS. Games don't have to FORCE gamers into cross-play, gamers can OPT INTO IT. Take Gears 4 across PC and console. Ranked matches are platform exclusive, while unranked is cross-platform...and boom, your whole argument shot dead...

[XSpike]

Dude, that is just splitting the player base even further. This creating that long time waiting for games if you only want to play against other console users or other factors, depending on the game, default settings, or other factors.

That is like DICE for example on past BF titles, splitting the player base on DLC maps which is rank for players like me in New Zealand which already has a limited pool of players compared to overseas users. So a DLC is released for BF4, could only play certain DLC maps at certain hours or after awhile I have to join overseas servers with a huge ping as not enough players in my region.

In boom my argument rising from the dead & even more powerful.

[timotim]

Nothing like that at all. It's called giving the player options. The more gamers that have access to the same pool, the more gamers can use certain filters and still have many other gamers to play with. Splitting the userbase does happen in some games through DLC...but that isn't a cross play issue, but more of a monetization issue. Halo 3 did the same thing with DLC map packs, while Halo 5 did not split its community at all...all players have access to all the same maps.

No, your argument is dead buddy...

[XSpike]

Some games Cross-play is awesome, say like War Thunder, Rocket League, MMO's.. Hell lets just say Fortnite in a senses that buying items should be transferable between accounts, but in that regard it shouldn't be tied to one Service eg. XBLive, it really should be set up on EPICs services like most MMO's.
Say, UPlay for Ubisoft, Steam for Valve, XBLive for MS titles, PSN for Sony, Nintendo online, Origin for EA.

Really not sure what kind of deal MS strike with Nintendo to get XBLive on Nintendo Switch.. Thing is weird as, yes MS does have big servers, even can throw some extra cash around, MS really wants to become a service for games, at what point does Cross-play pretty much shuts down UPlay, PSN, Nintnedo, Origins in the likes on consoles. Digital is the future, streaming is at some point is the future (big story, developing countries etc still want hardware etc).

Some games are great for Cross-play again. Lets just say MMO's, War Thunder, a lot of developers use their own servers, has its own Friends list, basically only using that consoles online services for adding friends to that developers / publishers own list so you invite friends off UPlay, Origins, to join you instead of say XBLive or PSN.

Also a lot of developers would prefer to use their own Store front so credit goes directly to them instead of splitting the profits to Sony, MS & it gets very complicated if the game is cross-play & Sony / MS / Nintendo want a cut of the pie like the all do. MS totally wants it, use XBL on Nintendo Switch, MS hosts the servers it costs money. MS: "Nintendo we need a bigger cut to keep the servers running, keep on increase player counts". Upgrades the servers more than Nintendo can for their own.. Nintendo servers get shut down for not being needed / not enough profit, no need for Nintendo Online.

Many many things, as I see it MS is pushing to take over servers, push it into customers heads that you want it but in the end you'll end up with one game service called XBL, taking that $$, building up MS servers until PSN & others get shut down. This ending competition (Actually the reason MS entered the console market, big story again lets just leave that at Games for Windows, not saying now that MS is in on the console business is bad, its been great!)

So many reasons why Cross-Play shouldn't be pushed so fast, IT should happen but it really needs to be done right, fairly & big companies like MS shouldn't use their own servers to push onto PSN, Nintendo Online or other.

Shouldn't happen on Competitive games until the point in time when Technology advances & gaming controllers are the same on all systems so K&M is useless compared to eg a nanotechnology Glove that is standard across all Platforms.

[Traecy]

This again.

[IMissJimRyan]

So, the future is multiplayer only?

[timotim]

No. However, MP games will ALWAYS exist...we aren't talking about whether they will be made or not, but since we know they will, why not allow all to play together???

[timotim]

I agree! Consumer choice is what's becoming more mainstream and cross-play doesn't get more consumer friendly. I don't want to have to worry about what platform my friends have said game for...i just want to know when we are all hooking up to play! Sony seems more concerned with trying to keep there hold on the market instead of doing what's right for gamers and while it only works because of their current market share, it could come back to bite them if/when their market share is no longer as high. Happy though that all other players are on board. Bring on the games!

[ziggurcat]

I would like you to cite where anyone from Sony has said they are completely against cross play.

Because they have more cross play titles than MS or Nintendo, and they’re making steps towards including cross play between Xbox, so...

[timotim]

I'm just going off what I see and hear. Til this day, Sony only has a couple titles in its cross-play "beta" for PS4 and we have stories coming out where actual developers/studios are telling us that Sony is telling them "no" when wanting to add cross-play with PS4 to their titles...for me, that's where my comments on the matter was coming from.

And no, they do not. Microsoft has many more cross-play titles than Sony has...even though thats not my point. That is a myth my friend, started by gamers that ran with online false truths. If we look at Microsoft's eco system across console, PC and phones, with both game AND apps, we will see that Microsoft supports cross-platform way more. Feel free to post incomplete lists all you like though. We can see this with 3rd party software in their eco system as well as first party...how many SONY made games has Sony released on other platforms or other eco systems???

[trouble_bubble]

You’re all over the map Tim. Even giving MS credit as a 3rd party developer of Minecraft earlier when all they did was buy it AFTER the fact. On the other hand SFV wouldn’t have got made without Sony says Capcom. Also on PC.

That DC on your Xbox? SOE paid for it. Planetside, Free Realms, Everquest were on PC too and that was all under Sony Online Entertainment.

Now it’s about what’s on the phone? You know Run Sackboy Run is on Vita and iPhone right? Step back, watch some of that Sony Pictures ecosystem on Xbox! Some Spider-man Homecoming and Civil War. Sony crossplayed with Disney to make that possible. Lucky you!

[timotim]

@Trouble

All they did was buy it??? That's all they did??? Well for starters, let's not act as if Microsoft had to continue developing and publishing it on its current platforms...Microsoft could just as easily bought Minecraft and removed it from platforms...so yes, they get credit for that. However, Microsoft didn't stop there...they EXPANDED Minecraft to even more platforms over the years. Minecraft was never on a Nintendo platform until AFTER Microsoft expanded its reach...same thing goes for ChromeOS.

But the biggest thing you're overlooking is that even though these platforms existed already for Minecraft...it wasn't until Microsoft came along that took all these separate games and tied them all together with CROSS PLAY. Xbox, Nintendo, PC and mobile can now all PLAY TOGETHER something that never happened before in the franchise until Microsoft. So yes, I'm going to give credit to them for not only keeping Minecraft 3rd party but expanding on it in new ways and new platforms.

Are we talking about cross play or what? Don't get mad at me because you people can't see how much Microsoft has been supporting cross play between their platforms over the years. You listed a hand full of games from Sony with your chest puffed out...Microsoft has already surpassed that number many times over and still continues to support it TODAY...not talking about a Studio that's not even apart of Sony anymore haha. Microsoft has supported Steam, PC, console, AR, mobile and other companies handhelds with games for well over a decade now.

And Sony pictures on Xbox? 😆 I mean...i suppose...

[ziggurcat]

"Microsoft has supported Steam, PC, console, AR, mobile and other companies handhelds with games for well over a decade now."

I think you're conflating cross play with, say, simply being able to buy Quantum Break on Steam. And they most certainly have not been supporting cross play for well over a decade...

[timotim]

@Zigg

Right off the top...
https://www.metacritic.com/...
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

That was 2007...what year are we in right now...

I can bring up how Killer Instinct on Steam is Crossplay with KI in Microsoft's own store for PC and console. I can bring up how Microsoft Bingo is crossplay between HoloLens, PC, mobile and Surface Hub. Too many titles really to list, but Microsoft has been behind crossplay and crossplatform way more than Sony.

[ziggurcat]

"Microsoft has been behind crossplay and crossplatform way more than Sony."

Nope.

[timotim]

😆😆😆Com e on now...don't just speak about it, be about it. If you're going to challenge me on this, bring your proof...don't just talk from the sideline. You say Sony has supported crossplay way more...ok...show me?

I love it when I reduce your arguments down to a simple "nope"...tells me all I need to know.

[ziggurcat]

The onus is on you to actually prove that MS supports it more than Sony, since that's your claim.

Here is probably the most comprehensive list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wi... feel free to count them if you want, but it goes all the way back to PS2 for Sony, so... that's a longer period of time.

And it actually shows the strength of your argument if you can debunk it with a single word.

[ziggurcat]

And if you're too lazy to count, it's 116 for Sony, 54 for Xbox/Win10.

[Blackcanary]

Yet Sony do allow cross play FF 14 online has cross play in it you play with PC gamers in it so why is this dev acting like sony says no to cross play?

[sampsonon]

hey, we know you have the best and most popular ice cream in the city but could you make it easier for your competitor and allow people that bought their ice cream to eat t in your parlour? why not? you're bad, a very very bad man lol.

[timotim]

Don't understand this analogy at all...im not even convinced that you understand what you wrote. For starters...where is this "best and most popular ice cream" comment suppose to mean? Aren't we talking about 3RD PARTY multiplatform games here? That's the same game on every platform so why is Sony being credited with "best and most popular"??? Sony's platform is hardly ever the best platform to play these 3rd party games on...and the combined playerbase from PC, Xbox, Nintendo and mobile far surpasses the user base Sony brings to the table as well so again where is this coming from?

Furthermore, non PS gamers aren't going to eat their ice cream at Sony's parlor either...we would ALL be meeting up at a centralized location...the only difference is Sony is preventing YOU from leaving their own parlor to do so haha. It's clear you do not understand how it works. Stop with the analogies...its not for you.